How can NSA track you down even if you hop through multiple VPNs?

Say something bad.

See if a couple secret service fellas show up at your front door.

Problem answered.

even ISP grade routers do not have long term storage
they must dump the logs to a file at specified intervals
or the data is overwritten

root servers are all under the control of the gov.

the internet was and still is a military project and operation

This is the true bottom line. The military is always a couple of decades ahead of you. NSA ditto.

This is the true bottom line. The military is always a couple of decades ahead of you. NSA ditto.

Lot of FUD being spread here.

This is something a brainwashed boomer would say.

I don't get it.

How is it possible to track you down?

your MAC address.

Who do you think invented IPs, VP etc?

The military. Look it up.

If they invented it then guess what?

MAC addresses can be easily spoofed. Plus they don't move past the local LAN unless you are on a wireless connection. Even then its not really that valuable. The Ethernet card can just be switched out.

I don't get it.

How is it possible to track you down?

I don't get it.

How is it possible to track you down?

Your writing style and compare it with other identities you have not masked online, they could control the ISP you use or rather have access to either willingly or they hacked the ISP and have backdoors to it.

When they got their suspicion they go look what ISP you pay for and send a request or they have access already or use a backdoor into the ISP and then monitor your traffic at the ISP and then the supiscion is either confirmed or you were not the one they were looking for.

And also there's plenty of programs that send shit to the makers and those makers probably like to share or they're hacked.

Also there's the data gathering centers, like Echelon.
Sweden has a ginormous data collecting center with the Swedish FRA
Pretty cool logo:
[link to upload.wikimedia.org (secure)]

Here's the swedish wiki about Försvarets Radioanstalt:
[link to sv.wikipedia.org (secure)]

it catches all traffic from Russia that goes between Russia and the US from say Moscow.

Some detective work but they can find you.
They found that guy Sabu of LulzSec and he was way more careful than most.
[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

still he messed up in one point and they got him.


[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

there's probably more ways to find out who people are, the experts here will probably tell us.

Well I’ve invited the fuckers over for a chat so far no one’s showed up

I’d make tea and crumpets even

I don't get it.

How is it possible to track you down?

They monitor metadata detailing every IP-to-IP connection on the public internet routes and within internet service providers, which effectively covers the bulk of the entire internet. Veep33NN providers say they don't keep logs, but that's not really true to the extent people think it is. They don't log the content of your traffic typically, but you can be damn sure they log which Veep33NN account was assigned to a particular Veep33NN IP address at all times.

So by monitoring the characteristics of the traffic leaving your ISP modem, then through the ISP network, then out into the public internet, then into the Veep33NN network, and finally the data reaching the destination website, they can assemble a view of the entire journey pretty easily without even needing more info beyond who had what Veep33NN IP at a particular time.

Tor disrupts their ability to do that type of analysis, which is why they have to do a lot of manual effort regarding timing analysis of packet characteristics and entrance/exit node behavior.

It's for show. If we think that we are safe, then we will continue to use these unsecure methods.

Relax buddies, nobody cares what kind of porn you watch (unless it's CP)