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Ron Paul: Congress is creating a de facto national gun registry which is a step toward national gun confiscation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 50609212  United States03/12/2019 06:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Ron Paul: Congress is creating a de facto national gun registry which is a step toward national gun confiscation The House of Representatives recently passed legislation that would expand the national background check system to require almost everyone selling firearms, including private collectors who supplement their incomes by selling firearms at gun shows, to perform background checks on the potential buyers. The bill has a section purporting to bar creation of a national firearms registry. However, the expanded background check system will require the government to compile lists of those buying and selling guns. In other words, it creates a de facto national gun registry. Quoting: Putin's Voluntaryist Similar to the experience with other types of prohibition, making it more difficult to legally buy a gun will enhance the firearms black market. Criminals, terrorist, and even deranged mass shooters will thus have no problem obtaining firearms. It is no coincidence that the majority of mass shootings take place in “gun-free zones,” where shooters know their targets will be unarmed. This shows that any law making it more difficult for Americans to own and carry firearms makes us less safe. If Congress really wanted to reduce the incidence of gun violence, it would repeal the Gun-Free School Zones Act. This law leaves children easy prey for mass shooters by mandating that public schools be “gun-free zones.” A nationwide system of gun registration could be a step toward national gun confiscation. However, antigun bureaucrats need not go that far to use the expanded background check system to abuse the rights of gun owners. Gun owners could find themselves subject to surveillance and even harassment, such as more intensive screening by the Transportation Security Administration, because they own “too many” firearms. MORE: [link to ronpaulinstitute.org] There is NO REASON IN THE WORLD to tie the "purchaser" to a "gun". That does indeed create a registry. Here is what COULD be done instead and done simply. Anyone wishing to purchase a gun would go to their local sheriff and put in their application. Upon approval, they would be given their "card". This card could have a one or two year expiration date. It should be affordable for all with a minimal fee to cover processing like under $20. Like a fishing license. AND LIKE A FISHING LICENSE it will not ask you what kind of fishing pole you intend to buy. LIKE a hunting license it will NOT ASK WHAT KIND OF GUN YOU INTEND TO USE. This card will basically be presented to anyone selling you a gun that lets them know you have passed a background check. That prevents "a registry" of what guns, if any, you own. Yet, it provides all law abiding citizens peace of mind knowing they aren't selling to a felon. Keep in mind criminals will always find a way to obtain a firearm no matter what legislation is passed, but we can put this crap about "gun shows" and individual sales to rest with a simple "card" that isn't tied to any sales. You have it if you wish to use it. That puts the onus on the buyer, not the seller. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 50609212 United States03/12/2019 06:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Ron Paul: Congress is creating a de facto national gun registry which is a step toward national gun confiscation He can allready kiss 2020 goodbye dude Border Patrol and ICE are literally revolting against him because he is doing catch and release on steroids and giving them ZERO help and assistance as they have been requesting. They put in a letter to him that his administration is a failure to protect the border and DHS isn't doing anything He's finished...he'll probably start a war in Venezuela to try to save himself, he's made a deal to step down after one term and lose the election graciously, or he's been in on this scam the whole time Troll spreading lies. The Courts have interfered with the border steps Trump has take...the liberal courts. That's why Trump says CONGRESS needs to CHANGE THE LAWS. The DEMS WON'T CHANGE THE LAWS. The COURTS BLOCK Trump's actions on border. That's why all that is left is putting up a barrier which he is attempting to do and find the funding to do it. THAT ACTION IS EVEN ATTEMPTING TO BE BLOCKED BY CONGRESS. But, they will fail. They better or the GOP will be DONE. |
BBQ BOY™  User ID: 71292324 United States03/12/2019 06:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Ron Paul: Congress is creating a de facto national gun registry which is a step toward national gun confiscation  "Never underestimate the pain of a person. In all honesty, everyone is struggling. Just some people are better at hiding it than others." Everyone has to work out their own salvation. Life can only be understood backwards, but it must be lived forwards. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 77114798 United States03/12/2019 06:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Ron Paul: Congress is creating a de facto national gun registry which is a step toward national gun confiscation they basically have an unofficial registry the clinton era instant background check, which the ATF processes when you fill paper work out, and they run your background...now it won't show what exact model of firearm. Just generic terms, like handgun, long rifle. if you are buying legally at a dealer and doing the check already, they know your address, the FBI/ATF and if wanted or needed could pay a visit. FFLs are supposed to either destroy the records of sales, or keep them in a locked safe on site...hard to say which do what. but this isnt new. They already know who is armed mostly. unless you are strictly doing private sales |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 76170368 United States03/12/2019 06:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Ron Paul: Congress is creating a de facto national gun registry which is a step toward national gun confiscation He can allready kiss 2020 goodbye dude Border Patrol and ICE are literally revolting against him because he is doing catch and release on steroids and giving them ZERO help and assistance as they have been requesting. They put in a letter to him that his administration is a failure to protect the border and DHS isn't doing anything He's finished...he'll probably start a war in Venezuela to try to save himself, he's made a deal to step down after one term and lose the election graciously, or he's been in on this scam the whole time Troll spreading lies. The Courts have interfered with the border steps Trump has take...the liberal courts. That's why Trump says CONGRESS needs to CHANGE THE LAWS. The DEMS WON'T CHANGE THE LAWS. The COURTS BLOCK Trump's actions on border. That's why all that is left is putting up a barrier which he is attempting to do and find the funding to do it. THAT ACTION IS EVEN ATTEMPTING TO BE BLOCKED BY CONGRESS. But, they will fail. They better or the GOP will be DONE. The President has authority to stop any and all immigration by himself. He could stop the asylum process at the border- that's the scam brings more than half this way. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 77419874 United States03/12/2019 06:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Ron Paul: Congress is creating a de facto national gun registry which is a step toward national gun confiscation He can allready kiss 2020 goodbye dude Border Patrol and ICE are literally revolting against him because he is doing catch and release on steroids and giving them ZERO help and assistance as they have been requesting. They put in a letter to him that his administration is a failure to protect the border and DHS isn't doing anything He's finished...he'll probably start a war in Venezuela to try to save himself, he's made a deal to step down after one term and lose the election graciously, or he's been in on this scam the whole time Troll spreading lies. The Courts have interfered with the border steps Trump has take...the liberal courts. That's why Trump says CONGRESS needs to CHANGE THE LAWS. The DEMS WON'T CHANGE THE LAWS. The COURTS BLOCK Trump's actions on border. That's why all that is left is putting up a barrier which he is attempting to do and find the funding to do it. THAT ACTION IS EVEN ATTEMPTING TO BE BLOCKED BY CONGRESS. But, they will fail. They better or the GOP will be DONE. The President has authority to stop any and all immigration by himself. He could stop the asylum process at the border- that's the scam brings more than half this way. Agreed. Now what? |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 76170368 United States03/12/2019 06:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Ron Paul: Congress is creating a de facto national gun registry which is a step toward national gun confiscation ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75779427 He can allready kiss 2020 goodbye dude Border Patrol and ICE are literally revolting against him because he is doing catch and release on steroids and giving them ZERO help and assistance as they have been requesting. They put in a letter to him that his administration is a failure to protect the border and DHS isn't doing anything He's finished...he'll probably start a war in Venezuela to try to save himself, he's made a deal to step down after one term and lose the election graciously, or he's been in on this scam the whole time Troll spreading lies. The Courts have interfered with the border steps Trump has take...the liberal courts. That's why Trump says CONGRESS needs to CHANGE THE LAWS. The DEMS WON'T CHANGE THE LAWS. The COURTS BLOCK Trump's actions on border. That's why all that is left is putting up a barrier which he is attempting to do and find the funding to do it. THAT ACTION IS EVEN ATTEMPTING TO BE BLOCKED BY CONGRESS. But, they will fail. They better or the GOP will be DONE. The President has authority to stop any and all immigration by himself. He could stop the asylum process at the border- that's the scam brings more than half this way. Agreed. Now what? Beats me. Politics is not going to get it done. |
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| Aye. User ID: 76448890  Ireland03/12/2019 07:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Ron Paul: Congress is creating a de facto national gun registry which is a step toward national gun confiscation The House of Representatives recently passed legislation that would expand the national background check system to require almost everyone selling firearms, including private collectors who supplement their incomes by selling firearms at gun shows, to perform background checks on the potential buyers. The bill has a section purporting to bar creation of a national firearms registry. However, the expanded background check system will require the government to compile lists of those buying and selling guns. In other words, it creates a de facto national gun registry. Quoting: Putin's Voluntaryist Similar to the experience with other types of prohibition, making it more difficult to legally buy a gun will enhance the firearms black market. Criminals, terrorist, and even deranged mass shooters will thus have no problem obtaining firearms. It is no coincidence that the majority of mass shootings take place in “gun-free zones,” where shooters know their targets will be unarmed. This shows that any law making it more difficult for Americans to own and carry firearms makes us less safe. If Congress really wanted to reduce the incidence of gun violence, it would repeal the Gun-Free School Zones Act. This law leaves children easy prey for mass shooters by mandating that public schools be “gun-free zones.” A nationwide system of gun registration could be a step toward national gun confiscation. However, antigun bureaucrats need not go that far to use the expanded background check system to abuse the rights of gun owners. Gun owners could find themselves subject to surveillance and even harassment, such as more intensive screening by the Transportation Security Administration, because they own “too many” firearms. MORE: [link to ronpaulinstitute.org] I like you VP as you always have some very valid posts on here. You like many I follow on here are thoughtful, think out yer post and are mostly honest peepz. Ron Paul of course always had a great interest in this mind until he caved in his last bid for election. His son sold him out then which made me wonder Not sure really if they both wore the little black hat of religion but I do have a memory of Rand sticking his wishes in a wall. The Paul site has always been a trove of information of course but I lost faith in the elder Paul about the time he caved. Not to take from the trojan work the elder Paul did oer many years. His unstinting loyalty to people who could not afford medical aid. Alas Mr Paul the elder has lost all of his "self"as he never once in all of those decades told the American public of how the world really works. NRA, AIPAC, MIC, indeed any old SHOUT which has always controlled Americay. No offence intended to any on here who believe in force of arms, "if you have em" but we in my parish are well used to those who control arms. Way back then when the Americays would think revolution we here in my parish had more brutish soldiery on my sod than you had on Americay. Then of course the local smithy was controlled as he could forge a pike. A pike against musket but we were willing to try. Much like really as the Iraqui, (word of god in the mind), the Yemini and now the Venezuelan all face the same fate. Scythe against cannon as we once said here. The Indian Sepoy tied to ball of cannon. Nothing really changes as things seem to stay the same. Mr Churchill pig sticking the Indian girl. The Scottish laird laying with the bride ere he consort would have his way..........That indeed was a satanic though as the laird forced his will on the bride only to force the new husband to inject seed for fear of a bastard. We in our foolishness of course believe in the "half-sor". Fitz, Mac, O, Ni call it what you will...A bastard. I have mentioned this before. You may not like it, it is a fact though. Mr Paul is a fool though. His son will carry on the tradition. Whether by accident or design Mr Paul and his son and indeed his sons son if we live that long. There is but one truth VP. Most everything in our lives has been a fookin lie. |
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| Vicious Deplorable dollop You ain't seen nothing yet! User ID: 49779451 United States03/12/2019 07:56 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Ron Paul: Congress is creating a de facto national gun registry which is a step toward national gun confiscation Gun registration leads to gun confiscation 100% of the time. Universal historical fact. What could possibly go wrong?   Kamala Harris is not a Natural Born Citizen. She's illegally running. Used by the Founders... Book I of The Law of Nations, Chapter XIX, § 212 (Joseph Chitty numbering) – “Citizens and natives” reads: 'The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights.' 1758 Emerich de Vattel Oh' What the Hell, do I look like I want to die in some nursing home one day... America must have 4 new Constitutional Amendments... 1. Drug Tests and Mental Evaluations on all politicians and judges randomly five times per year. 2. Term Limits for Federal politicians and judges. 3. Mental and health standards for Supreme Court Justices and retirement age set. 4. A 'Star Chamber' of elected Natural Born Citizens (no attorney's) to ivestigate, try, and prosecute the politicians and government employee's as they see fit. Mandatory death penalty by public hanging is the merciful sentence for pedos and their associates. Democrats are a WMD, literally. Let Justice Be Done Though The Heavens Fall. |
| Vicious Deplorable dollop You ain't seen nothing yet! User ID: 49779451 United States03/12/2019 07:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Ron Paul: Congress is creating a de facto national gun registry which is a step toward national gun confiscation Civil War  No mercy !!!Kamala Harris is not a Natural Born Citizen. She's illegally running. Used by the Founders... Book I of The Law of Nations, Chapter XIX, § 212 (Joseph Chitty numbering) – “Citizens and natives” reads: 'The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights.' 1758 Emerich de Vattel Oh' What the Hell, do I look like I want to die in some nursing home one day... America must have 4 new Constitutional Amendments... 1. Drug Tests and Mental Evaluations on all politicians and judges randomly five times per year. 2. Term Limits for Federal politicians and judges. 3. Mental and health standards for Supreme Court Justices and retirement age set. 4. A 'Star Chamber' of elected Natural Born Citizens (no attorney's) to ivestigate, try, and prosecute the politicians and government employee's as they see fit. Mandatory death penalty by public hanging is the merciful sentence for pedos and their associates. Democrats are a WMD, literally. Let Justice Be Done Though The Heavens Fall. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 76858147 United States03/12/2019 08:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Ron Paul: Congress is creating a de facto national gun registry which is a step toward national gun confiscation Bullshit. Every FFL purchase goes through the EXACT same NICS check. The new laws are simply requiring person to person (non-FFL) transfers to perform the same. I DON'T APPROVE OF IT, BUT to imply it's a registry is utter fucking bullshit. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 4712660 United States03/12/2019 08:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Ron Paul: Congress is creating a de facto national gun registry which is a step toward national gun confiscation Bullshit. Every FFL purchase goes through the EXACT same NICS check. The new laws are simply requiring person to person (non-FFL) transfers to perform the same. I DON'T APPROVE OF IT, BUT to imply it's a registry is utter fucking bullshit. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76858147  If you think the FedGov isn’t keeping record levels you’re a very naive person. When has the law ever stopped them? Please. Next? |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 50609212 United States03/12/2019 09:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Ron Paul: Congress is creating a de facto national gun registry which is a step toward national gun confiscation He can allready kiss 2020 goodbye dude Border Patrol and ICE are literally revolting against him because he is doing catch and release on steroids and giving them ZERO help and assistance as they have been requesting. They put in a letter to him that his administration is a failure to protect the border and DHS isn't doing anything He's finished...he'll probably start a war in Venezuela to try to save himself, he's made a deal to step down after one term and lose the election graciously, or he's been in on this scam the whole time Troll spreading lies. The Courts have interfered with the border steps Trump has take...the liberal courts. That's why Trump says CONGRESS needs to CHANGE THE LAWS. The DEMS WON'T CHANGE THE LAWS. The COURTS BLOCK Trump's actions on border. That's why all that is left is putting up a barrier which he is attempting to do and find the funding to do it. THAT ACTION IS EVEN ATTEMPTING TO BE BLOCKED BY CONGRESS. But, they will fail. They better or the GOP will be DONE. The President has authority to stop any and all immigration by himself. He could stop the asylum process at the border- that's the scam brings more than half this way. We aren't talking legal immigration here, we are talking illegal immigration. Illegal crossers claiming asylum. Shutting down LEGAL IMMIGRATION will not stop illegal immigration claiming asylum and the courts have basically said that. So, you are presenting a false argument. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 76858147 United States03/12/2019 09:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Ron Paul: Congress is creating a de facto national gun registry which is a step toward national gun confiscation Bullshit. Every FFL purchase goes through the EXACT same NICS check. The new laws are simply requiring person to person (non-FFL) transfers to perform the same. I DON'T APPROVE OF IT, BUT to imply it's a registry is utter fucking bullshit. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76858147 If you think the FedGov isn’t keeping record levels you’re a very naive person. When has the law ever stopped them? Please. Next? If you think I said anything about them not keeping records then you better learn how to read shithead..... |
