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Measles Outbreak in Washington state keeps going - Vaccine effectiveness.

 
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Measles Outbreak in Washington state keeps going - Vaccine effectiveness.
The measles outbreak in Washington state just keeps going.
It looks like it is finally ending but today, Mar. 12, another case has been identified to make the total cases = 72, all but one in Clark Co.
[link to www.doh.wa.gov (secure)]
Clark Co. is just across the river from Portland, OR. and is essentially a residential/bedroom community for Portland.
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[link to www.clark.wa.gov (secure)]
"Current investigation - updated 3/12/2019

Clark County Public Health is continuing its measles outbreak investigation. Since Jan. 1, Public Health has identified 71 confirmed cases and is currently investigating three suspect cases. There are no new locations where people may have been exposed to measles.

Here are the details of the [Clark Co.] confirmed cases:
Age
- 1 to 10 years: 52 cases
- 11 to 18 years: 15 cases
- 19 to 29 years: one case
- 30 to 39 years: three cases

Immunization status
- Unimmunized: 62 cases
- Unverified: seven cases
- 1 MMR vaccine: two cases
- Hospitalization: one case (none currently)
- Date of last confirmed case: Tuesday, March 12
...
To date, the majority of lab results of confirmed cases have matched a wild strain of virus circulating in Eastern Europe. The others were vaccine strain, which were identified as described above."

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In Clark Co. 19% of kindergartners are unvaccinated.
[link to www.clark.wa.gov (secure)]
If that ratio hold for the general population then with the above information:
- There were 64 cases with known vaccination status.
- Unvaccinated were 62/64 = 96.9% of the cases.
- Vaccinated were 2/64 = 3.1% of the cases.
Therefore:
- 19% of the population (Unvaccinated) contributed 96.9% of the cases
- 81% of the population (Vaccinated 1-Dose+) contributed 3.1% of the cases.
wtf
Does anyone see a big, big problem here?
... Bueller?, ... Bueller?
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What those numbers indicate is that so far in this outbreak the unvaccinated catch measles at a rate 133 times the rate that the vaccinated catch measles.
133 times as much measles in the Unvaccinated as in the Vaccinated.
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I'd call that a pretty big effectiveness win for the MMR vaccine.
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Moral of the story - Get your kids vaccinated.

Have fun and stay safe.


Reality.

Edited to clarify/correct the WA state vs Clark Co tallies of 72 vs 71 cases.

Last Edited by Reality420 on 03/13/2019 01:41 PM
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That's a population getting healthy and clearing. Big Pharma genocidal vaccines program is failing to suppress the human body's viral production and shedding ability. They're desperate, now.
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BTW - Washington state uses the standard 2 incubation periods for the calculation of when an outbreak is over.
Measles has a 21 day incubation period so 2 periods = 42 days.
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WA state dept of health will not declare the outbreak over until at least April 23, 2019.
But remember, "and is currently investigating three suspect cases." so should any of those prove to be wild measles and symptoms presented later than Mar. 12 the end date will be 42 days from that case...
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Have fun and stay well.


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Vaccines are preventing you from catching anything that cures cancer
Thread: Measles Virus Wipes Out Golf-Ball-Sized Cancer Tumor In 36 Hours
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problem is you're bad at math
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problem is you're bad at math
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77448672


Really?
Why don't you deconstruct my little advanced 4rth grade ratios calculation in the OP?
Bet you can't because you can't do 4rth grade maths.
Ready.
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funny, we have an "epidemic" of it here, must be between seasons, flu vaccine uptake numbers down?? ah run!! run for the hills!! the weasles is coming for you!!
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Vaccines are preventing you from catching anything that cures cancer
Thread: Measles Virus Wipes Out Golf-Ball-Sized Cancer Tumor In 36 Hours
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ENJOY YOUR EXCESSIVE MULTI CULTURAL 'SHIT' U MOFO'S!
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You do you Boo. If you don't want measles, get the shot. If you're okay with a close encounter don't. If shots were really effective, as what you've shown then people getting the shot shouldn't worry about the people who choose not to.
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You're not really a big picture guy, are you OP?



Since you like looking at what the numbers mean so much, let us dwell on these numbers:


71 confirmed cases

Hospitalization: one case (none currently)

Serious complications? ZERO

Deaths? ZERO

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Notice they refuse to say what the percentage of cases with the vaccine strain is.
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problem is you're bad at math
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77448672


Really?
Why don't you deconstruct my little advanced 4rth grade ratios calculation in the OP?
Bet you can't because you can't do 4rth grade maths.
Ready.
Set.
Go!


R.
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There are 3 kinds of people in the world. Those who can do math, and those who can't.
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Vaccines are preventing you from catching anything that cures cancer
Thread: Measles Virus Wipes Out Golf-Ball-Sized Cancer Tumor In 36 Hours
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77450836


Vaccines are preventing you from catching anything that cures cancer
Thread: Measles Virus Wipes Out Golf-Ball-Sized Cancer Tumor In 36 Hours
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77450836

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77365271

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Yes, yes...
I see you are also functionally illiterate. I'll bet you are anti-vaccine!
This is old news which does not state that regular wild measles has any useful effect on cancer tumours.
They are using massive doses of genetically engineered vaccine viruses administered during the time when a tumour is present.
From your own citation:
[link to returntonow.net (secure)]
"The virus strain was engineered and weakened in a lab, and then given in a dose strong enough to vaccinate 10 million people."
"virus strain"
"engineered"
"enough to vaccinate 10 million people"

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How is any of that in any way similar to being infected by the dangerous wild measles virus?
Answer - It is not.
And, of course, the anti-tumour effect of the GMO vaccine virus organism is only seen during its short lifetime in the cancer patient's system. It is not lifelong. If the tumours should return another round of hyper vaccine virus treatment will be required.
Do people who catch wild measles have enough measles particles for "10 million people" and for the rest of their lives?
Of course not.
Anyone selling you this idiotic codswallop is a scamming moron and should be laughed at and ridiculed for being completely stupid.
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Last Edited by Reality420 on 03/12/2019 10:37 PM
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iMPORT MORE IMMIGRANTS THAT IS SURE TO SOLVE IT
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If vaccines worked why should they worry if some other person has it...
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What is the background of the children, anti-vaxxer kids, maybe the offspring of illegals, or could be highly educated parents who are critical thinkers who don't want to see vaccines made in China shot into their arms.
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iMPORT MORE IMMIGRANTS THAT IS SURE TO SOLVE IT
 Quoting: Jake


Well, it is not going to help if they are unvaccinated.
The problem with that argument is that most countries south of us have better vaccination rates than the USA.
And all the recent outbreaks have been caused by unvaccinated US citizens traveling to countries where measles is endemic and bringing back a little souvenir for their unvaccinated US citizen compatriots.
Our own unvaccinated citizens are the ones responsible for these measles outbreaks.
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You will do better to not include that argument in the discussion of illegal immigration.
There are many other valid arguments against illegal immigration without ruining your credibility by citing a piece of disinfo about measles outbreaks.


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problem is you're bad at math
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77448672


Really?
Why don't you deconstruct my little advanced 4rth grade ratios calculation in the OP?
Bet you can't because you can't do 4rth grade maths.
Ready.
Set.
Go!


R.
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There are 3 kinds of people in the world. Those who can do math, and those who can't.
 Quoting: Lacey Underall


I see what you did there.
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If vaccines worked why should they worry if some other person has it...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76186137


Because these people exist and most people are not self-centered narcissists and care about their fellow man:
- Vaccinated but did not respond
- Babies too young to be vaccinated
- Senior citizens with waning immune systems
- Unvaccinated due to bad reaction to vaccine component
- Cancer patients lacking immune system - chemo and radiation treatments
- Those with immune diseases - AIDS
- Organ transplant recipients
- Those taking immune suppressing meds - Steroids
- Unvaccinated children whose ignorant parents are anti-vaccine
- etc., etc.

And because nobody who is sane thinks it's a good idea to have dangerous diseases circulating in the population just for the fun of it.
Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions.
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What is the background of the children, anti-vaxxer kids, maybe the offspring of illegals, or could be highly educated parents who are critical thinkers who don't want to see vaccines made in China shot into their arms.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 63555311

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There are no vaccines on the current USA schedule made in China.
That is a lie that comes from... who else?... Alex Jones.
He made it up on the spot a few years ago on one of his shows and has never produced one shred of evidence for his lie.
Tim Bolen is now the main liar promoting this idiocy.
Ask him for evidence of all these "Made in China" vaccines being used in the US. Read what he cites with discernment and note how nothing he says actually says the US is using any China sourced vaccines.
What he does cite are general news article about China's pharma industry expanding their international vaccine sales... to third world countries.
Not to the USA.
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Face fact - The anti-vaccinationists are liars and disinformation sources. They lie at the drop of a hat.


R.

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How come the illegals being held at the border arent getting vaxed? Even when there are 300 CASES! But its a HEALTHCARE EMERGENCY in Wash. when there are 8 cases.

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Notice they refuse to say what the percentage of cases with the vaccine strain is.
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All of those with measles disease had wild measles virus.
100%
What part of:
"To date, the majority of lab results of confirmed cases have matched a wild strain of virus circulating in Eastern Europe. The others were vaccine strain, which were identified as described above."
did you not understand.
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Read the full small article.
[link to www.clark.wa.gov (secure)]

All the measles cases have been caused by "a wild strain of virus circulating in Eastern Europe."
Only one suspected case tallied as a disease case was a vaccine strain which caused a "benign vaccine rash" and "People who experience these mild vaccine-associated rashes cannot transmit the virus to other people."
When the labs came back they removed that vaccine reaction from the case count.
That is one reason why they test the source of measles virus... so they don't have to scramble to keep all contacts of a harmless vaccine rash isolated when they needn't be.
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Reading is fundamental.
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How come the illegals being held at the border arent getting vaxed? Even when there are 300 CASES! But its a HEALTHCARE EMERGENCY in Wash. when there are 8 cases.

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 Quoting: 15666.44

You are referring to a mumps outbreak in Texas illegal detention centers, I believe.

They are vaccinating for
Measles, Mumps, Rubella
Polio
TDaP - Tetanus and Diphtheria Toxoids, Pertussis
Haemophilus influenzae type B
Hepatitis B
.
But, you have to get to them and administer the vaccine and wait a couple weeks before it become effective. They can still catch mumps and spread it during this lag time.
Also, mumps vaccine is about 75% effective for one dose and 88% effective for 2 doses.
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Mumps immunity can also be overcome by intense exposure in close contact situations like dorms, sports teams, incarceration facilities, etc.
It is fine for protecting against casual contact but can't withstand repeated intense exposure to the mumps paramyxovirus.


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The Brady's had measles: no big deal.

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What is the background of the children, anti-vaxxer kids, maybe the offspring of illegals, or could be highly educated parents who are critical thinkers who don't want to see vaccines made in China shot into their arms.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 63555311

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There are no vaccines on the current USA schedule made in China.
That is a lie that comes from... who else?... Alex Jones.
He made it up on the spot a few years ago on one of his shows and has never produced one shred of evidence for his lie.
Tim Bolen is now the main liar promoting this idiocy.
Ask him for evidence of all these "Made in China" vaccines being used in the US. Read what he cites with discernment and note how nothing he says actually says the US is using any China sourced vaccines.
What he does cite are general news article about China's pharma industry expanding their international vaccine sales... to third world countries.
Not to the USA.
.
Face fact - The anti-vaccinationists are liars and disinformation sources. They lie at the drop of a hat.


R.

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 Quoting: Reality420



Nice try, you are COINTELPRO, AJ was their asset in order for you guys to justify your argument.


[link to www.who.int (secure)]

As well as Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong using click farms in China, promoting a vaxx movement on all social media sites thats unprecedented, so obvious a blindman can see it.

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The Brady's had measles: no big deal.

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I always get my medical information for my babies from cheesy 1960s sitcom episodes... and cartoons!
Did you know Fred Flintstone and Barney Rubble said Winston cigarettes were good? I believe them because it was on TV!
I are a genius!!!!!!!11!!!

Sheesh!


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What is the background of the children, anti-vaxxer kids, maybe the offspring of illegals, or could be highly educated parents who are critical thinkers who don't want to see vaccines made in China shot into their arms.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 63555311

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There are no vaccines on the current USA schedule made in China.
That is a lie that comes from... who else?... Alex Jones.
He made it up on the spot a few years ago on one of his shows and has never produced one shred of evidence for his lie.
Tim Bolen is now the main liar promoting this idiocy.
Ask him for evidence of all these "Made in China" vaccines being used in the US. Read what he cites with discernment and note how nothing he says actually says the US is using any China sourced vaccines.
What he does cite are general news article about China's pharma industry expanding their international vaccine sales... to third world countries.
Not to the USA.
.
Face fact - The anti-vaccinationists are liars and disinformation sources. They lie at the drop of a hat.


R.

Edited for speling.
 Quoting: Reality420



Nice try, you are COINTELPRO, AJ was their asset in order for you guys to justify your argument.


[link to www.who.int (secure)]

As well as Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong using click farms in China, promoting a vaxx movement on all social media sites thats unprecedented, so obvious a blindman can see it.

[link to www.ageofautism.com (secure)]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 63555311


Nice demonstration of the disinfo technique of Tim Bolen.
You've provided a general news article about China "gearing up" their vaccine industry and what it may mean "for bulk purchase by the United Nations Children’s Fund (UNICEF) in 152 low and middle-income countries..."
The article does not provide any evidence that the USA uses any China sourced vaccines.
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Are you illiterate or just a disinformation source?
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Your other cite to Ague of Autizmz is a crazy opinion by a delusional moron with absolutely no evidence for Soon's "promoting a vaxx movement on all social media".
Ms. Taylor pulled that straight from her delusional anti-vaccine colon.
... And what has that got to do with the USA vaccine supply anyway?
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Why are you promoting idiotic disinformation or are you just pig-ignorant?


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If vaccines worked why should they worry if some other person has it...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76186137


Because these people exist and most people are not self-centered narcissists and care about their fellow man:
- Vaccinated but did not respond
- Babies too young to be vaccinated
- Senior citizens with waning immune systems
- Unvaccinated due to bad reaction to vaccine component
- Cancer patients lacking immune system - chemo and radiation treatments
- Those with immune diseases - AIDS
- Organ transplant recipients
- Those taking immune suppressing meds - Steroids
- Unvaccinated children whose ignorant parents are anti-vaccine
- etc., etc.

And because nobody who is sane thinks it's a good idea to have dangerous diseases circulating in the population just for the fun of it.
 Quoting: Reality420



Wow, you're really desperate to push this shit, aren't you? I'm in my 60s and measles have never been any kind of devastating problem in this country. It's almost always a mild illness, just like most illnesses. It can have complications that are dealt with like complications of other illnesses. Vaccines really aren't necessary for this mild childhood illness that builds up the immune system.

HOWEVER, the overwhelming majority of people used to get vaccines before they went to 1st grade. I don't necessarily object to vaccines as long as they are strung out and not too many at once or in total. There are TOO MANY VACCINATIONS NOW and they're making the kids SICK.

So if kids are vaccinated before or during 1st grade, all of those groups of people don't have to worry as those are mostly adult illnesses and they would have already been vaccinated. Or they can choose to be vaccinated at any point beyond their teen years. You're talking about us giving up our medical freedom for a tiny group of people - a STRAWMAN ARGUMENT, in fact.

Please take your vaccines and shove them ALL up your ass at once.
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How come the illegals being held at the border arent getting vaxed? Even when there are 300 CASES! But its a HEALTHCARE EMERGENCY in Wash. when there are 8 cases.

another do
 Quoting: 15666.44

You are referring to a mumps outbreak in Texas illegal detention centers, I believe.

They are vaccinating for
Measles, Mumps, Rubella
Polio
TDaP - Tetanus and Diphtheria Toxoids, Pertussis
Haemophilus influenzae type B
Hepatitis B
.
But, you have to get to them and administer the vaccine and wait a couple weeks before it become effective. They can still catch mumps and spread it during this lag time.
Also, mumps vaccine is about 75% effective for one dose and 88% effective for 2 doses.
.
Mumps immunity can also be overcome by intense exposure in close contact situations like dorms, sports teams, incarceration facilities, etc.
It is fine for protecting against casual contact but can't withstand repeated intense exposure to the mumps paramyxovirus.


R.
 Quoting: Reality420




Common sense would dictate that we should not let in any of these people who need to have ALL THOSE VACCINATIONS. These people should not be let in here AT ALL. THAT is the answer. Then we won't have to vaccinate them either. In fact, fuck all of those people, I don't give a shit about them.