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Measles Outbreak in Washington state keeps going - Vaccine effectiveness.

 
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The Brady's had measles: no big deal.

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 Quoting: acinnc 36134015


I always get my medical information for my babies from cheesy 1960s sitcom episodes... and cartoons!
Did you know Fred Flintstone and Barney Rubble said Winston cigarettes were good? I believe them because it was on TV!
I are a genius!!!!!!!11!!!

Sheesh!


R.
 Quoting: Reality420


Winston cigarettes were the holy ones manufactured without additives until American Spirits came along. I had a great uncle who smoked them for 60 years. He died of a heart failure at 95.

I think the message was “if you are going to smoke, smoke Winston ”. Kinda like “if you insist upon expelling your seminal fluid and depleting your brain matter for pleasure, one healthy partner is better for ones health than sleeping around.
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Vaccination agenda is part of agenda 2030, because all the people living in stack and pack 100sqft condos in cities will be in close quarters, so controlling potential outbreaks of anything is important to the agenda 2030 implementers. That and a side of dumbing down the youngens so they'll accept that sort of living willingly.
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Vaccination agenda is part of agenda 2030, because all the people living in stack and pack 100sqft condos in cities will be in close quarters, so controlling potential outbreaks of anything is important to the agenda 2030 implementers. That and a side of dumbing down the youngens so they'll accept that sort of living willingly.
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Yes. The wheels are in motion:


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The F Shack

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If vaccines worked why should they worry if some other person has it...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76186137


Because these people exist and most people are not self-centered narcissists and care about their fellow man:
- Vaccinated but did not respond
- Babies too young to be vaccinated
- Senior citizens with waning immune systems
- Unvaccinated due to bad reaction to vaccine component
- Cancer patients lacking immune system - chemo and radiation treatments
- Those with immune diseases - AIDS
- Organ transplant recipients
- Those taking immune suppressing meds - Steroids
- Unvaccinated children whose ignorant parents are anti-vaccine
- etc., etc.

And because nobody who is sane thinks it's a good idea to have dangerous diseases circulating in the population just for the fun of it.
 Quoting: Reality420


You won't find much love here as most on this website are part of the anti-vax movement. This is one conspiracy I'm not buying into...reminds me of the bullshit you read on here about "easily" curing cancer without mainstream medicinal treatment.

I'm not saying there aren't exceptions to the rule...there probably are. But as a whole, vaccines are a proven science. Diseases like polio were cycled out THANKS TO vaccinations. The anti-vax movement is fake news in my opinion. Anti-vaxers will use outlier examples as the whole story to support their agenda while ignoring the whole body of work/evidence.

The anti-vax conspiracy doesn't hold water.
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I'm not saying there aren't exceptions to the rule...there probably are. But as a whole, vaccines are a proven science. Diseases like polio were cycled out THANKS TO vaccinations. The anti-vax movement is fake news in my opinion. Anti-vaxers will use outlier examples as the whole story to support their agenda while ignoring the whole body of work/evidence.

The anti-vax conspiracy doesn't hold water.
 Quoting: The F Shack




Actually, no. Polio was not cycled out due to vaccinations. You have fallen victim to misinformation.



Do you want the truth? Because the truth on this issue is hard to accept. It takes tremendous courage. Are you willing to explore the issue yourself in search of truth?
Reality420  (OP)

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Vaccination agenda is part of agenda 2030, because all the people living in stack and pack 100sqft condos in cities will be in close quarters, so controlling potential outbreaks of anything is important to the agenda 2030 implementers. That and a side of dumbing down the youngens so they'll accept that sort of living willingly.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12851441


And here I thought it was part of Agenda 21.
I guess it's getting too close to 2021 to play that fearmongering scam any more...
Just like the dimwitted Steph Seneff's "50% of kids will be autistic by 2025" which she changed to 2035 because it was laughably apparent that her idiotic prediction wasn't going to happen. Not even close. It was just that she can't do math.
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There's a sarcastic saying here on GLP about these idiotic predictions about TEOTWAWKI, Pole Shifts, Planet Ex, etc.:
"Soooon!"
- meaning: "Never!"


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-- Thomas Jefferson

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-- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
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You're not really a big picture guy, are you OP?



Since you like looking at what the numbers mean so much, let us dwell on these numbers:


71 confirmed cases

Hospitalization: one case (none currently)

Serious complications? ZERO

Deaths? ZERO
 Quoting: Elegant Walnut


measles late sequelae - look that up


interesting FACTS to digest


hopefully will help you keeping your mind open to the potential for being wrong and what harm that might do :)
Reality420  (OP)

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03/19/2019 07:32 PM
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And it still keeps going with one new case yesterday...
[link to www.clark.wa.gov (secure)]

"Current investigation - updated 3/19/2019

Clark County Public Health is continuing its measles outbreak investigation. Since Jan. 1, Public Health has identified 73 confirmed cases and is not currently investigating any suspect cases. There are no new locations where people may have been exposed to measles.

Here are the details of the confirmed cases:

Age
- 1 to 10 years: 53 cases
- 11 to 18 years: 15 cases
- 19 to 29 years: one case
- 30 to 39 years: four cases

Immunization status
- Unimmunized: 63 cases
- Unverified: seven cases
- 1 MMR vaccine: three cases
- Hospitalization: one case (none currently)
- Date of last confirmed case: Monday, March 18"


That the new victim had 1 MMR vaccine makes sense in light of the age of the victim - "30 to 39 years"
The recommended regimen was changed from 1-dose to 2-dose after the 1989-1991 large USA measles outbreak and essentially became effective in 1991-1992.
That means anyone 28 or older most likely had the less effective 1-dose MMR regimen and this new case bears that out.
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66 cases with known status:
- 63 Unvaccinated = 63/66 = 95.5%
- 3 Vaccinated 1-dose = 3/66 = 4.5%

That's good news for the pro-disease cranks because now the unvaccinated are catching measles at only 90 times the rate the vaccinated are.
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Have fun and stay safe.


R.
Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions.
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-- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
Reality420  (OP)

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03/19/2019 07:57 PM
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Beaners... Who cares........
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76858147


I would hope most people would care.
I would hope most people don't want people to become ill no matter what their genesis.
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And, in fact, the victims are most likely ex-Warsaw Pact immigrants or their children.
The little that has come through in the news is that this started and is concentrated in Eastern Europeans who are members of their ethnic church(es).
Further evidence is that the strain of measles is the type circulating in Ukraine's huge measles outbreak so the logical conclusion is that someone went to visit the mother country and brought back a souvenir for their comrades at church.
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Eastern Europeans... about as white as you can get.
Still sad and nothing to be smug about.


R.
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Last Edited by Reality420 on 03/19/2019 07:58 PM
Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions.
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-- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
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And it still keeps going with one new case yesterday...
[link to www.clark.wa.gov (secure)]

"Current investigation - updated 3/19/2019

Clark County Public Health is continuing its measles outbreak investigation. Since Jan. 1, Public Health has identified 73 confirmed cases and is not currently investigating any suspect cases. There are no new locations where people may have been exposed to measles.

Here are the details of the confirmed cases:

Age
- 1 to 10 years: 53 cases
- 11 to 18 years: 15 cases
- 19 to 29 years: one case
- 30 to 39 years: four cases

Immunization status
- Unimmunized: 63 cases
- Unverified: seven cases
- 1 MMR vaccine: three cases
- Hospitalization: one case (none currently)
- Date of last confirmed case: Monday, March 18"


That the new victim had 1 MMR vaccine makes sense in light of the age of the victim - "30 to 39 years"
The recommended regimen was changed from 1-dose to 2-dose after the 1989-1991 large USA measles outbreak and essentially became effective in 1991-1992.
That means anyone 28 or older most likely had the less effective 1-dose MMR regimen and this new case bears that out.
.
66 cases with known status:
- 63 Unvaccinated = 63/66 = 95.5%
- 3 Vaccinated 1-dose = 3/66 = 4.5%

That's good news for the pro-disease cranks because now the unvaccinated are catching measles at only 90 times the rate the vaccinated are.
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Have fun and stay safe.


R.
 Quoting: Reality420


"90 times", that's some really neat math there. Here, go to the bottom of your computer screen and you will find a picture (called an icon), that's a calculator. Image is here >> [link to www.kisspng.com (secure)]

Type in 63/3 and press '=', you get 21. That's 21 unvaccinated for every 1 vaccinated, or 21 times.

You're welcome !
Reality420  (OP)

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<snip for brevity>

Immunization status
- Unimmunized: 63 cases
- Unverified: seven cases
- 1 MMR vaccine: three cases
- Hospitalization: one case (none currently)
- Date of last confirmed case: Monday, March 18"

<snip>

66 cases with known status:
- 63 Unvaccinated = 63/66 = 95.5%
- 3 Vaccinated 1-dose = 3/66 = 4.5%

That's good news for the pro-disease cranks because now the unvaccinated are catching measles at only 90 times the rate the vaccinated are.
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Have fun and stay safe.

R.
 Quoting: Reality420


"90 times", that's some really neat math there. Here, go to the bottom of your computer screen and you will find a picture (called an icon), that's a calculator. Image is here >> [link to www.kisspng.com (secure)]

Type in 63/3 and press '=', you get 21. That's 21 unvaccinated for every 1 vaccinated, or 21 times.

You're welcome !
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77482463

"You're welcome !"
No thank you.
I'd rather get my math tutoring from someone who passed the 4rth grade and understands simple ratios.
My calculation is correct.
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You can't just divide the number of cases since the population isn't 50%:50% Unvaccinated to Vaccinated. Duh!
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Try this, Ms. Innumerate Aussie:
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Clark Co. has a kindergarten entry MMR uptake of about 81% with about 19% unvaccinated.
see: [link to www.clark.wa.gov (secure)]
If that uptake is uniform for the Clark Co. population,
and with the data provided:
- There are 66 with known vaccination status
- 63 of those were unvaccinated = 63/66 = 95.45454%
- 3 of those were vaccinated (with 1 dose) = 3/66 = 4.545454%

That makes the unvaccinated over represented by a factor of 95.45454%/19% = 5.023923
That makes the vaccinated over represented by a factor of 4.545454%/81% = 0.05611672
That makes the risk of measles infection for the unvaccinated relative to the vaccinated = 5.023923/0.05611672 = 89.52631 = 90 times the risk for the vaccinated.
And that is how you get the correct relative risk of 90 times.
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Now something is causing this huge discrepancy in disease rates... ya' think it might be the vaccination status of the victims?
Or did the vaccinated have a healthier lifestyle and eat more organic kale than the filthy, unwashed, unhealthy unvaccinated? (snicker)
You may now stop drooling, AC77482463
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Math is hard.
Especially middle school ratio math and particularly 9th grade beginning algebra...
I bet all those PhD scientists with 10+ years of university math/science education can't do this 4rth grade math stuff, I'll bet. </sarcasm>
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This is kinda' basic math stuff...
Is this the level of math education in Australia?
Sad.
If you don't believe me have the 9th grader down the street explain it to you...
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You're welcome!
No charge for the basic math lesson.



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Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions.
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-- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
Reality420  (OP)

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BTW - The equation for the Vaccine Effectiveness (VE) knowing the relative risk (RR) is: VE = 1-(1/RR)
From the above: VE = 1-(1/89.52631) = 1-(0.01116990) = 0.9888301
That makes the vaccine effectiveness in this sample = 98.9%
(This involves 9th grade algebra so it is beyond you, AC77482463)
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... And that sound you hear is dozens of anti-vaccinationists' heads exploding...
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You see, young parents, why morans with a degree in Art History or English Lit. or Comp. Sci. or Philosophy or ... may be educated but completely ignorant of science and incapable of offering anything useful on vaccines or any other medical topic except for their uneducated opinions?
They quite literally do not have the education to discuss these matters at the scientific level even though they delusionally think they do.
You may as well get scientific/medical advice from your cat.
Science is not politics. Opinions mean nothing in science... only the facts count.
Get your medical advice from your physician or reputable experts in the applicable science... not from internet nobodies.
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Have fun and stay safe.


R.
Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions.
-- Thomas Jefferson

Nothing is more terrible than to see ignorance in action.
-- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe