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Does The Deep State Control The President?

 
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IF the Deep State controlled DJT they would not have wasted billions trying to keep him out of the white house and even MORE billions trying to get him OUT.

This is not rocket science here...
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indeed...
trump-HRYK
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Not unless they were putting on a show.

They aren't spending their own money, they are spending yours!

Monopoly money.
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So what about what was behind the show?

People don't run massive FISA surveillance OPs on people who are on their side.

Shut the fuck up, turd.
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I would like to try and address the paradox regarding the effort, money and/or time spent trying to keep someone like Trump out of the White House while still controlling the president.

I think the biggest misnomer people have about the "deep state" is simply viewing it as one entity that manipulates everyone, accomplishes the same sought goal(s) and the means to reach those goals. It is highly unlikely that the most powerful people on the planet would all have the exact same ideologies and follow an agreed upon means to accomplish their agendas.

Think of it like the different kings throughout the Game of Thrones series (John Snow, Goffrey, Stanus Barathien, etc.). Each House had unique goals and means to reach those goals, while holding a huge amount of influence over others; however, they all sought to rule the Iron Throne. This power and influence was altered depending on many possible circumstances. Like the different houses in Game of Thrones the different "deep state" factions powers fluctuate depending on various circumstances.

The Catholic Church is likely one of these "deep state" factions evidenced by their attempts to influence monarchs throughout history.

Another likely "deep state" faction is the military industrial complex. I am sure there are several others, but the point is the president can be controlled by one or more "deep state" factions while being thwarted by other "deep state" factions.

Therefore, it is my opinion that one or more "deep state" factions both control and oppose the president.
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bump
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This polling is as I’ve suspected. There are millions of former Trump supporters like me, but we keep hearing that Trump hasn’t lost any support. Now you keep hearing liberals say they think Trump is going to get re-elected. It’s all fake news and polling to help Trump. Why hasn’t Trump been impeached? You think they need a reason? This proves that Trump is on the same side as people who pretend that they are his enemies. Why do you think NBC had Trump do The Apprentice? It was to help start his career as an operative. If he went straight from the private sector without any Deep State preparation he would have no chance of winning just like Howard Schultz. 17 people. I think they’ll use the same trick on the dem side this time. The “outsider” wins. You’ll know Trump isn’t Deep State when he’s meeting with Putin at the White House right after the US has ended all sanctions on Iran, North Korea, and Venezuela and broken off diplomatic relations with Israel and ISIS.
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IF the Deep State controlled DJT they would not have wasted billions trying to keep him out of the white house and even MORE billions trying to get him OUT.

This is not rocket science here...
 Quoting: DPL0RABBLE


indeed...
trump-HRYK
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19353379


Not unless they were putting on a show.

They aren't spending their own money, they are spending yours!

Monopoly money.
 Quoting: Phoenix*


So what about what was behind the show?

People don't run massive FISA surveillance OPs on people who are on their side.

Shut the fuck up, turd.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77457033


Don't be so naive, everyone needs to get paid so they siphon out money from one sector to the other and play the game with the citizens

Trump has proven he is incapable of living up to his word, it's great entertainment, especially watching the left eat itself
But that's all it is; entertainment

The Fed still runs everything.

I had a lot of hope for Trump, and he's clearly still the best leader even out of all the democrats who plan on running
But to think he's a free man who will fix America, is just plain foolish
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This polling is as I’ve suspected. There are millions of former Trump supporters like me, but we keep hearing that Trump hasn’t lost any support. Now you keep hearing liberals say they think Trump is going to get re-elected. It’s all fake news and polling to help Trump. Why hasn’t Trump been impeached? You think they need a reason? This proves that Trump is on the same side as people who pretend that they are his enemies. Why do you think NBC had Trump do The Apprentice? It was to help start his career as an operative. If he went straight from the private sector without any Deep State preparation he would have no chance of winning just like Howard Schultz. 17 people. I think they’ll use the same trick on the dem side this time. The “outsider” wins. You’ll know Trump isn’t Deep State when he’s meeting with Putin at the White House right after the US has ended all sanctions on Iran, North Korea, and Venezuela and broken off diplomatic relations with Israel and ISIS.
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Who are you going to vote for?? Kamala Harris?
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President Trump is one man against an entire world cabal. I see him as a small ship in a torrent, the wind and waves whipping him to and fro, yet he stands strong and defiant of their ill gotten power.

I think that God has his hand on POTUS and in the end we will win this WAR against the evil that lurks in the halls and alleyways near and far.

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This polling is as I’ve suspected. There are millions of former Trump supporters like me, but we keep hearing that Trump hasn’t lost any support. Now you keep hearing liberals say they think Trump is going to get re-elected. It’s all fake news and polling to help Trump. Why hasn’t Trump been impeached? You think they need a reason? This proves that Trump is on the same side as people who pretend that they are his enemies. Why do you think NBC had Trump do The Apprentice? It was to help start his career as an operative. If he went straight from the private sector without any Deep State preparation he would have no chance of winning just like Howard Schultz. 17 people. I think they’ll use the same trick on the dem side this time. The “outsider” wins. You’ll know Trump isn’t Deep State when he’s meeting with Putin at the White House right after the US has ended all sanctions on Iran, North Korea, and Venezuela and broken off diplomatic relations with Israel and ISIS.
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even if everything you said here is true... at least it signals a shift in direction from some of the elite if not all of them.
“the devil is a foe to the blood” Prof. Minor
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Don’t think Trump ever had any drain the swamp intentions, they’re all running around ganging up on him. Not one swampee is in jail. Yet, Trumps people are???!!!! WTF
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...


Not all of them are Masons.

There are other Occult Societies that have even more power than Masons.

Knight Templars, Opus Dei, Old Nobility... are key players.


abduct
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nope

Masons
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77349451


DIdn't Albert Pike say in his "Morals and Dogma" say that at the very top of Freemasonry they are all Satansists?
 Quoting: vEyeSea


nope

In fact Albert Pike says in the last chapter of Morals and Dogma, the 32 chapter about the 32 degree of freemasonry this on page 859:

"there is no rebellious demon of Evil, or Principle of Darkness co-existent and in eternal controversy with God, or the Principle of Light and Good"
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Albert Pike was a satanic false prophet. Anyone denying the reality of the fallen angel Lucifer is either blind or working for Lucifer. When you reach the summit of power like Albert Pike, you are not blind. Pike was satanic and Freemasonry is satanic and subversive. There has always been a struggle between Freemasons and genuine American patriots, going all the way back to our Founding when John Adams warned about the dangers of Freemasonry. More recently, our last legitimate President - JFK - was assassinated in a Freemason-Zionist coup d'etat. If Trump is a Freemason, we are fucked. All the signs say that Trump is a Freemason or working for them. The CIA operative that Trump and his Neocon pals are trying to violently install in Venezuela, Juan Guaido, is a Freemason.
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People like me didn't hate what Trump was saying, we were trying to warn you that he was eventually gonna sell you out. It's what he does. And some of yall, way Overplayed your hand.
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Don’t think Trump ever had any drain the swamp intentions, they’re all running around ganging up on him. Not one swampee is in jail. Yet, Trumps people are???!!!! WTF
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77187411


All part of the show. Left Hand Path, Right Hand Path: both paths lead to hell. Trump will pardon the offenders and the Mueller report will never be made public. Right Hand Path (Trump) wins and Left Hand Path (Mueller, etc) win as well. Mueller's investigation was designed by both Trump and the Deep State to distract from the fact that Trump was just another shitty Neocon all along.
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The last president who wasn't influenced by deep state or banksters was Andrew Jackson.
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Wrong. Jackson was a Freemason so he was Deep State.

The last President who wasn't influenced by the Deep State and actually exercised real Presidential power to the point of infuriating and neutering the Deep State, was JFK. He paid the ultimate sacrifice. That's because JFK was the real deal, a war veteran and 100% America First and not afraid to tell the Freemasons and Zionists to pound sand. Trump on the other hand is a draft dodger and Zionist First.
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So many seem to think the deep state is controlling President Trump.

I don't agree...

BUT...

What is the solution if that were the case?
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I think it should be clear to anyone who is paying attention that the President of The United States only has as much power as the Deep State is willing to give him.

If that is truly the case then we are FUCKED.

Voting truly is useless.
 Quoting: ^TrInItY^


I think there is so much mis-dis-info now that it is very hard to tell who's on what team. Clearly there is an epic battle in DC like never seen...and the world

We can only speculate about Trump but we do know we're getting some new reliable Intel from Q.

Q has a 'Christian' flair that I sense is genuine.

There are arrests of pedos/traffickers like never before.

Tons of execs has been fired/removed.

Trump has avoided war so far.

The DS (both Ds & Rs) clearly hates Trump - could be another act in the grand play, but doesn't seem likely.



Just think about the college admissions scandal, this is huge. - now we know how these idiots are getting into positions of authority...

On balance I'm giving him the benefit of doubt - but I'm losing patience like everyone else. Is Trump a genius? I think it's more likely the white hats surrounding him are.

That said if it is an act, and it could be, then yes - we are truly fucked. There's no turning back - I have no doubt there are grand data bases of all who have spoken out about. The deep state...

My 'litmus test' is when the chemtrails stop, and vaccines are only by consent, then
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People like me didn't hate what Trump was saying, we were trying to warn you that he was eventually gonna sell you out. It's what he does. And some of yall, way Overplayed your hand.
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it's what he does?

how so... how is he selling out?

if he was a sell out they would be giving him a noble prize by now.
“the devil is a foe to the blood” Prof. Minor
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Don’t think Trump ever had any drain the swamp intentions, they’re all running around ganging up on him. Not one swampee is in jail. Yet, Trumps people are???!!!! WTF
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All part of the show. Left Hand Path, Right Hand Path: both paths lead to hell. Trump will pardon the offenders and the Mueller report will never be made public. Right Hand Path (Trump) wins and Left Hand Path (Mueller, etc) win as well. Mueller's investigation was designed by both Trump and the Deep State to distract from the fact that Trump was just another shitty Neocon all along.
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Agree. And all we are left with is the poor old chicken shit sandwich to eat!
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Not all of them are Masons.

There are other Occult Societies that have even more power than Masons.

Knight Templars, Opus Dei, Old Nobility... are key players.


abduct
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nope

Masons
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77349451


DIdn't Albert Pike say in his "Morals and Dogma" say that at the very top of Freemasonry they are all Satansists?
 Quoting: vEyeSea


Luciferians all of them
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Luciferian's are the foot soldiers of satanists.

Satanism is the ultimate goal.

it will fail but not before a lot of destruction.
“the devil is a foe to the blood” Prof. Minor
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Re: Does The Deep State Control The President?
Is the deep state impeding him? Yes

Do they control him? Absolutely not
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People like me didn't hate what Trump was saying, we were trying to warn you that he was eventually gonna sell you out. It's what he does. And some of yall, way Overplayed your hand.
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it's what he does?

how so... how is he selling out?

if he was a sell out they would be giving him a noble prize by now.
 Quoting: rosicrucian1


You think Trump, born with a silver spoon in his mouth, never been to a grocery store, shits on a gold plated toilet, REALLY believes in the things you believe??

This movement that yall created because of Trump, not started by Trump, is something genuine, but Trump, the figurehead, is using it to further promote himself. Hence, hes selling you out.

What I've always said though. Keep the movement going, but lose the figurehead, hes just gonna let you down.
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now for the really brain racking part..


the Deep State only has as much control as God allows..

Idol1Idol1Idol1
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now for the really brain racking part..


the Deep State only has as much control as God allows..

Idol1Idol1Idol1
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What if they are God?
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President Trump is one man against an entire world cabal. I see him as a small ship in a torrent, the wind and waves whipping him to and fro, yet he stands strong and defiant of their ill gotten power.

I think that God has his hand on POTUS and in the end we will win this WAR against the evil that lurks in the halls and alleyways near and far.

:candle:
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He's really not alone though. 1. It's obvious that God is with him. 2. MILLIONS of Americans will fight with him if it comes to that. We will not let our nation go down into a liberal pile of crap, and blend into a globalist system where only a few very wealthy people control EVERYTHING.

It's actual Satan attempting to take over the world.

If we lose everything our forefathers fought for, there won't be much worth anything on this entire earth.

"Liberty or death."
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the concept that the seep state controls the president is simplistic

they control data, situations, people, emotions... all of which can be weaponized against a trump agenda

anonstoner
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The deep state does not control Trump because he is not a regular politician.

Previous political presidents, all members of the Skull & Bones or other secret societies, control presidents via blackmail, which is the purpose of the secret societies. During initiation, if a member-to-be has no dark or dirty secrets, they are forced to partake in rituals that consist of homosexuality, forced sex with other women for married men, etc. That way they are all open to blackmail if they don't follow orders.

That is how the deep state keeps presidents in line. That is why they fear Trump. They can't control him because he was never in a secret society. They fear Trump because he can - and has - wrecked their globalist playbook.

That is exactly why the Founding Fathers did not want lawyers running government.
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Michael Anton, W Bush speechwriter and former Sr Advisor to Trump (who some say is Q) sums it up like this:

The decision between Hillary and Trump is like russian roullete with a semi-auto or a revolver. At least with Trump you get to spin the chamber.

Here's a good article on him, he seems like a real patriot (and could be Q):

[link to www.neonrevolt.com (secure)]
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Yes, as long as Hillary and Bill are free to do as they wish, Trump is controlled. tomato
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Wrong! Bill and Hillary have nothing to do with controlling Trump. Trump is only beholden to us, We the People, simply because he is not a politician.

The deep state cannot control Trump either. They have nothing with which to blackmail him with, which is why they concocted the Russia collusion crap. They knew it wouldn't work but they thought if they planted that seed deep enough, We the People would call for Trump's resignation. It didn't happen.

That's why the deep state is terrified of Trump BECAUSE they can't control him.
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Trin finanly figured our voting is useless

Let’s see how long before she figures out blogging is less worthless
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If our voting was useless, how did we manage to elect Trump? How did Hillary managed to lose an election that was stacked in her favor?

Use your heads, people. Stop listening to fake news. They are filling your heads with crap.
"When you change the way you look at things, the things you look at change"
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Yes the writing is on the wall
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Tomato plants in?
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Yes, time to bring them in. The ship has sailed her last course. Time to get in the lift rafts people. We will be having a lot of turmoil with even more mass immigration and rights to defend ourselves taken away. They have been attacking 1A which we don't have online anymore. 2A is next.
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The President is limited by his concern for his own survival and his family's. The name doesn't matter. This one's name happens to be Trump.
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remember this old video... the left and right have always worked together against the American people. It was shocking to see fellow libertarians lulled into believing Trump was going to somehow stand up for our rights. AJ even bought into it.
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I have been explaining the Left-Right Paradigm to people for years.

Most people still don't get it. They unfortunately believe all the political-hype and WWE-style rhetoric.

The UNITED STATES (currently) is a CORPORATION, and all of Congress and the other branches simply work for THE CORPORATION.

NOT for the American people's needs or wants.

Kabuki Theatre for the masses.
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This polling is as I’ve suspected. There are millions of former Trump supporters like me, but we keep hearing that Trump hasn’t lost any support. Now you keep hearing liberals say they think Trump is going to get re-elected. It’s all fake news and polling to help Trump. Why hasn’t Trump been impeached? You think they need a reason? This proves that Trump is on the same side as people who pretend that they are his enemies. Why do you think NBC had Trump do The Apprentice? It was to help start his career as an operative. If he went straight from the private sector without any Deep State preparation he would have no chance of winning just like Howard Schultz. 17 people. I think they’ll use the same trick on the dem side this time. The “outsider” wins. You’ll know Trump isn’t Deep State when he’s meeting with Putin at the White House right after the US has ended all sanctions on Iran, North Korea, and Venezuela and broken off diplomatic relations with Israel and ISIS.
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Bingo. Personnel is policy. Actions not words.