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Pilots told Boeing executives that they were unhappy with 737 MAX at meeting in november...

 
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Pilots told Boeing executives that they were unhappy with 737 MAX at meeting in november...
Maybe it's time for Boeing executives to get into a 737 MAX and do about 100 flights to show how confident they are that the planes are safe?


"Boeing executives sat down last November with pilots at the Allied Pilots Association’s low-slung brick headquarters in Fort Worth.

Tensions were running high. One of Boeing’s new jets — hailed by the company as an even more reliable version of Boeing’s stalwart 737 — had crashed into the ocean off Indonesia shortly after takeoff, killing all 189 people on board the flight operated by Lion Air.

After the crash, Boeing issued a bulletin disclosing that this line of planes, known as the 737 Max 8, was equipped with a new type of software as part of the plane’s automated functions. Some pilots were furious that they were not told about the new software when the plane was unveiled.

Dennis Tajer, a 737 captain who attended the meeting with Boeing executives, recalled, “They said, ‘Look, we didn’t include it because we have a lot of people flying on this and we didn’t want to inundate you with information.’ ”

“I’m certain I did say, ‘Well that’s not acceptable,’ ” said Tajer, a leader in the association representing American Airlines pilots.

In statements throughout the week, Boeing has said that safety is its top priority. But it also announced that it would take several steps to make the planes “even safer,” including updating the flight-control software as well as pilot displays, operating manuals and crew training. The company said these changes would be implemented over the coming weeks.

DeFazio cited a concern that has particularly alarmed pilots, the introduction of software that was flagged in the bulletin sent out after the Lion Air crash.

The software, known as the Maneuvering Characteristics Augmentation System (MCAS), can in some rare but dangerous situations override pilot control inputs unless it is switched off. This can interfere with pilots’ longtime training that pulling back on the control yoke raises a plane’s nose, putting the plane into a climb. That means that as a pilot tries to maneuver an airplane, the automated system may be counteracting that pilot’s inputs.

Sitting around pullout tables in leather-backed chairs, Tajer said, some of the company’s top engineers were apologetic.

“We said ‘shame on you.’ They said, ‘I know.’”



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Re: Pilots told Boeing executives that they were unhappy with 737 MAX at meeting in november...
Software overriding a pilots instincts is a fatal flaw.
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Re: Pilots told Boeing executives that they were unhappy with 737 MAX at meeting in november...
Software overriding a pilots instincts is a fatal flaw.
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it might be okay if the software didn't fly the plane into the ground...
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Re: Pilots told Boeing executives that they were unhappy with 737 MAX at meeting in november...
Boeing is in trouble.

This is one of the greatest American companies so I hope they take quick actions and do all the right things from here on out.

Boeing stop covering your ass, be honest, and make it right!
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Boeing is in trouble.

This is one of the greatest American companies so I hope they take quick actions and do all the right things from here on out.

Boeing stop covering your ass, be honest, and make it right!
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trump-hryk they have to stop the BS such as "safety is our top priority" and "737 max is safe"!!!

tell the truth BOEING!!
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03/15/2019 05:02 AM
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Re: Pilots told Boeing executives that they were unhappy with 737 MAX at meeting in november...
Software overriding a pilots instincts is a fatal flaw.
 Quoting: BigBlock


If you were a pilot, would you like to put the controls in the hands of a cubical-dwelling software engineer - who never spent any time flying?

Unfortunately, pilots are fighting a losing battle. There are powerful economic interests in automating aircraft, cars, trucks and manufacturing.

Economics usually wins out in the end, sad to say.
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Unfortunately, pilots are fighting a losing battle. There are powerful economic interests in automating aircraft, cars, trucks and manufacturing.

Economics usually wins out in the end, sad to say.
 Quoting: Cheyenne


If safety was really Boeing's top priority, they would have got new flight certification for the new model plane with new engines, new wings, changed flight software, changed center of gravity, more seating, more cargo capacity, ect ect ect.

Instead they pretended it is the same plane as the previous models but with some minor changes.

OBVIOUSLY safety is not their top priority!! Hundreds of dead people could say that, if they weren't dead due to Boeing's lies and trickery.
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Re: Pilots told Boeing executives that they were unhappy with 737 MAX at meeting in november...
[link to www.jimstone.is]

has excellent analysis of the boeing 737 max

you have to scroll down a bit


siren2


[link to www.jimstone.is]

has excellent analysis of the boeing 737 max

you have to scroll down a bit


siren2


[link to www.jimstone.is]

has excellent analysis of the boeing 737 max

you have to scroll down a bit


siren2
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Re: Pilots told Boeing executives that they were unhappy with 737 MAX at meeting in november...
Boeing lied, hundreds died.





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