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US Air Force says Boeing has 'severe situation' after trash found on refueling planes
In a blistering attack on Boeing, the Air Force's top acquisition official said the company has a "severe situation" with flawed inspections of its new KC-46 air refueling tanker aircraft, after trash and industrial tools were found in some planes after they were delivered to the Air Force.
Dr. Will Roper, assistant secretary of the Air Force for acquisition, technology and logistics, made clear his concerns after visiting Boeing's Everett Washington plant where the plane is assembled.
"I left concerned, and I also left thinking Boeing understands they have a severe situation that's going to take top level engagement from their company," Roper said.
After discovering the problem, the Air Force stopped accepting the new tankers from Boeing on February 20.


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Should have moved production to the southeast where quality control still means something.
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Should have moved production to the southeast where quality control still means something.
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It means your non-union ass will be fired if you do a piss-poor job.
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Sound like minor complaints to any same person.


The Air Force officials sound like idiots.
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a lot of attacks against Boeing lately?

then I saw that article yesterday suggesting planes would be built in China soon?

elites pushing this and need to justify shutting down Boeing?
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a lot of attacks against Boeing lately?

then I saw that article yesterday suggesting planes would be built in China soon?

elites pushing this and need to justify shutting down Boeing?
 Quoting: rosicrucian1


...sounds about right...
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Sound like minor complaints to any same person.


The Air Force officials sound like idiots.
 Quoting: Adytum


Not really, FOD, foreign object damage causes 90% of failures on aircraft.
Landing a plane is not an option here.
They are being called out, but this is universal from all angles.
But The constant chatter from all directions is going in one direction.
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Sound like minor complaints to any same person.


The Air Force officials sound like idiots.
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I dunno, I would complain if I brought a new car and it still had tools inside form the people that made it.

Leave a tool in the wrong place on an airplane and you can have severe issues
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SABOTAGE!

Leftists, no doubt.
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Sounds like some sabotage type thing might be going on.
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I've worked in the Charleston facility on the 787 program. Nothing extensive or long term but it was clearly more of an automotive environment than I expected. That was the intention due to costs of the program. I was surprised. Massive CNC machines. I was still impressed.
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Maybe they are hiring workers from that country where they have trouble going poo in the the loo.
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It's not Boeing as an entity. It's the people who do the work who have to be rectified.

Management problem.

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Sound like minor complaints to any same person.


The Air Force officials sound like idiots.
 Quoting: Adytum


I dunno, I would complain if I brought a new car and it still had tools inside form the people that made it.

Leave a tool in the wrong place on an airplane and you can have severe issues
 Quoting: Doommincus Maximus


Don't airmen inspect all new planes on delivery before flying them?


And leaking these complaints to the press?


Beyond suspect.


Maybe an officer was paid to write this shit.


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Sound like minor complaints to any same person.


The Air Force officials sound like idiots.
 Quoting: Adytum


Not really, FOD, foreign object damage causes 90% of failures on aircraft.
Landing a plane is not an option here.
They are being called out, but this is universal from all angles.
But The constant chatter from all directions is going in one direction.
 Quoting: Teslahowitzer 74703834


I heard 90 % of all statistics are made up on the spot


truestory


Close enough for government work?
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Re: US Air Force says Boeing has 'severe situation' after trash found on refueling planes
a lot of attacks against Boeing lately?

then I saw that article yesterday suggesting planes would be built in China soon?

elites pushing this and need to justify shutting down Boeing?
 Quoting: rosicrucian1


Airbus have a A320 assembly plane in China 10+ years already.

read here:
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Should have moved production to the southeast where quality control still means something.
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hesright


Anywhere that is a Red state would put more care into military aircraft!
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Should have moved production to the southeast where quality control still means something.
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It means your non-union ass will be fired if you do a piss-poor job.
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That's the point
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Re: US Air Force says Boeing has 'severe situation' after trash found on refueling planes
Sound like minor complaints to any same person.


The Air Force officials sound like idiots.
 Quoting: Adytum


I dunno, I would complain if I brought a new car and it still had tools inside form the people that made it.

Leave a tool in the wrong place on an airplane and you can have severe issues
 Quoting: Doommincus Maximus


Don't airmen inspect all new planes on delivery before flying them?


And leaking these complaints to the press?


Beyond suspect.


Maybe an officer was paid to write this shit.


Buy the dip.
 Quoting: Adytum


LOL, do you work at Boeing?

poor workmanship is poor workmanship, doesn't matter who leaks the report
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SABOTAGE!

Leftists, no doubt.
 Quoting: Ender's Game


When Trump took office he put a huge tax on British owned Bombardier regional jet imports, clearly to favor Boing.
Those planes, built in Canada and Ireland were very popular in the regional jet market...same market Boing 737 is competing for.
Maybe the British MI6 is hitting back.

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Re: US Air Force says Boeing has 'severe situation' after trash found on refueling planes
Sound like minor complaints to any same person.


The Air Force officials sound like idiots.
 Quoting: Adytum


Not really, FOD, foreign object damage causes 90% of failures on aircraft.
Landing a plane is not an option here.
They are being called out, but this is universal from all angles.
But The constant chatter from all directions is going in one direction.
 Quoting: Teslahowitzer 74703834


I heard 90 % of all statistics are made up on the spot


truestory

40% of the time.
 Quoting: Adytum
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The DS is trying to fuck up the boeing deals that trump signed, because they would prefer that airbus build the planes to prop up their beloved globalisation test ground, the EU.
Just adding to bad press for the foreign nations who may want boeings

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Re: US Air Force says Boeing has 'severe situation' after trash found on refueling planes
Sound like minor complaints to any same person.


The Air Force officials sound like idiots.
 Quoting: Adytum


I dunno, I would complain if I brought a new car and it still had tools inside form the people that made it.

Leave a tool in the wrong place on an airplane and you can have severe issues
 Quoting: Doommincus Maximus


Don't airmen inspect all new planes on delivery before flying them?


And leaking these complaints to the press?


Beyond suspect.


Maybe an officer was paid to write this shit.


Buy the dip.
 Quoting: Adytum


LOL, do you work at Boeing?

poor workmanship is poor workmanship, doesn't matter who leaks the report
 Quoting: Doommincus Maximus


Already on Chinese payroll, Kiwi?
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Sound like minor complaints to any same person.


The Air Force officials sound like idiots.
 Quoting: Adytum


Not really, FOD, foreign object damage causes 90% of failures on aircraft.
Landing a plane is not an option here.
They are being called out, but this is universal from all angles.
But The constant chatter from all directions is going in one direction.
 Quoting: Teslahowitzer 74703834


I heard 90 % of all statistics are made up on the spot


truestory

 Quoting: Adytum


40% of the time
 Quoting: ModelerX


More plausible.
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Re: US Air Force says Boeing has 'severe situation' after trash found on refueling planes
In a blistering attack on Boeing, the Air Force's top acquisition official said the company has a "severe situation" with flawed inspections of its new KC-46 air refueling tanker aircraft, after trash and industrial tools were found in some planes after they were delivered to the Air Force.
Dr. Will Roper, assistant secretary of the Air Force for acquisition, technology and logistics, made clear his concerns after visiting Boeing's Everett Washington plant where the plane is assembled.
"I left concerned, and I also left thinking Boeing understands they have a severe situation that's going to take top level engagement from their company," Roper said.
After discovering the problem, the Air Force stopped accepting the new tankers from Boeing on February 20.


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Wow. That had to have been real bad.
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The DS is trying to fuck up the boeing deals that trump signed, because they would prefer that airbus build the planes to prop up their beloved globalisation test ground, the EU.
Just adding to bad press for the foreign nations who may want boeings
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This.


Even the Frenchie gets it.



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The DS is trying to fuck up the boeing deals that trump signed, because they would prefer that airbus build the planes to prop up their beloved globalisation test ground, the EU.
Just adding to bad press for the foreign nations who may want boeings
 Quoting: SideShowFreak


This.


Even the Frenchie gets it.



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Well we will never take the EU global deals or their scams of globalization.
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Re: US Air Force says Boeing has 'severe situation' after trash found on refueling planes
In a blistering attack on Boeing, the Air Force's top acquisition official said the company has a "severe situation" with flawed inspections of its new KC-46 air refueling tanker aircraft, after trash and industrial tools were found in some planes after they were delivered to the Air Force.
Dr. Will Roper, assistant secretary of the Air Force for acquisition, technology and logistics, made clear his concerns after visiting Boeing's Everett Washington plant where the plane is assembled.
"I left concerned, and I also left thinking Boeing understands they have a severe situation that's going to take top level engagement from their company," Roper said.
After discovering the problem, the Air Force stopped accepting the new tankers from Boeing on February 20.


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 Quoting: Baal Molech


Sound like minor complaints to any same person.


The Air Force officials sound like idiots.
 Quoting: Adytum


Sound like minor complaints to any same person.


The Air Force officials sound like idiots.
 Quoting: Adytum


Not really, FOD, foreign object damage causes 90% of failures on aircraft.
Landing a plane is not an option here.
They are being called out, but this is universal from all angles.
But The constant chatter from all directions is going in one direction.
 Quoting: Teslahowitzer 74703834


Not really, if the Foreign Object Debris (FOD) was something like a Wi-Fi router or chipset, it could be used to conduct a cyber-attack via the 'Fence' (the electro-magnetic shield that monitors all incoming and outgoing objects to-and-from Earth in orbit, where the satellites and clustered 'space debris' are).

It doesn't have to involve the Cloud or the Blockchain, but it could be a very hard-to-detect thing, if say, a pilot or crewmember were to log into a Bitcoin account mid-flight...

I think what the Air Force said was a way of 'saying-not-saying' something. In code, if you like.

Pretty sure they don't want their planes abruptly crashing anyway.
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Re: US Air Force says Boeing has 'severe situation' after trash found on refueling planes
Should have moved production to the southeast where quality control still means something.
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It means your non-union ass will be fired if you do a piss-poor job.
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I agree to a certain extent but in the Southeast you have employers who do not pay s*** to their employees and you end up with lousy quality anyway and companies like some Medicare Advantage companies actually don't even give a s*** if you lie or do whatever because they like to pay eight or nine bucks an hour and they like to have garbage people work for those salaries while they collect hundreds of grand a year to do s*** it's disgusting it's all based on slavery and you're getting what you pay for they pretend to work while the corporation pretends to pay them.
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Re: US Air Force says Boeing has 'severe situation' after trash found on refueling planes
Also, Patrick Shanahan is acting Sec. of Defense, right? I mean, he used to work at Boeing before President Trump appointed him. He would know about this sort of thing, surely?
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I can sum up this problem and the screwed up software problem in 1 word....DIVERSITY.