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A Few Good Men -- Marines Question

 
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Yes, I know it was a movie but I have a few questions about what was presented.

For discipline the Pvt. was given water and vitamins for a week. Is this done by the marines? I never heard of such a thing.

No military service teaches about unlawful orders. When the Pvt. asked at the end of the movie, what it was that they had done, that was wrong. I just knew that you followed an illegal order was not going to be the answer.

An E-2 and E-3 were on trial. A military jury needs to have members who outrank the defendants. I saw and 0-3, 0-5, and a 0-6 on that jury. There were a lot of other senior people on that jury.

The doctor had given a profile that restricted the Pvt. to not running more than five miles. WOW!
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Well the U.S. Military seems to mention it but not dwell on it much..might be different between branches/indoc. centers.

Essentially if you reject what you perceive to be unlawful orders it will be decided in the Military court-system, you'll be punished if it turned out to be a lawful order(and you just didn't like it, say?)
If you encourage others to also not follow orders(as opposed to just stating your reasoning) then you're guilty of mutiny anyway. That is my rough basic interpretation of it.

U.S. soldiers have gotten nailed for war-crimes on an 'individual-basis' before but.. you know..... *coughcough*
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There are some inaccuracies, as with any movie. There is no such law under the UCMJ or in the USMC of "conduct unbecoming a marine". There is conduct unbecoming an officer, that is in the UCMJ.

The USMC has a system called "request mast", whereby a marine can state a grievance up the chain of command (i.e. if he/she believes they have been given an unlawful order, or if they have been treated unfairly) which allows the marine to make the grievance to someone above the marine they have the problem with.

If they don't get the action they feel appropriate, they can keep going up the chain of command, in theory all the way to the commandant.

No one in the service is required to follow an unlawful order.
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Yes, I know it was a movie but I have a few questions about what was presented.

For discipline the Pvt. was given water and vitamins for a week. Is this done by the marines? I never heard of such a thing.

No military service teaches about unlawful orders. When the Pvt. asked at the end of the movie, what it was that they had done, that was wrong. I just knew that you followed an illegal order was not going to be the answer.

An E-2 and E-3 were on trial. A military jury needs to have members who outrank the defendants. I saw and 0-3, 0-5, and a 0-6 on that jury. There were a lot of other senior people on that jury.

The doctor had given a profile that restricted the Pvt. to not running more than five miles. WOW!
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Don't know what is legal now, the military like society has gone soft but "back in the day" larger US Navy ships had brigs (jail). I witnessed one trouble maker sent to the brig on bread and water for 1 week. Interesting that did not change him, got out of the brig, caused more problems and was dishonorably discharged.
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Yes, I know it was a movie but I have a few questions about what was presented.

For discipline the Pvt. was given water and vitamins for a week. Is this done by the marines? I never heard of such a thing.

No military service teaches about unlawful orders. When the Pvt. asked at the end of the movie, what it was that they had done, that was wrong. I just knew that you followed an illegal order was not going to be the answer.

An E-2 and E-3 were on trial. A military jury needs to have members who outrank the defendants. I saw and 0-3, 0-5, and a 0-6 on that jury. There were a lot of other senior people on that jury.

The doctor had given a profile that restricted the Pvt. to not running more than five miles. WOW!
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Don't know what is legal now, the military like society has gone soft but "back in the day" larger US Navy ships had brigs (jail). I witnessed one trouble maker sent to the brig on bread and water for 1 week. Interesting that did not change him, got out of the brig, caused more problems and was dishonorably discharged.
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Yes, I know it was a movie but I have a few questions about what was presented.

For discipline the Pvt. was given water and vitamins for a week. Is this done by the marines? I never heard of such a thing.

No military service teaches about unlawful orders. When the Pvt. asked at the end of the movie, what it was that they had done, that was wrong. I just knew that you followed an illegal order was not going to be the answer.

An E-2 and E-3 were on trial. A military jury needs to have members who outrank the defendants. I saw and 0-3, 0-5, and a 0-6 on that jury. There were a lot of other senior people on that jury.

The doctor had given a profile that restricted the Pvt. to not running more than five miles. WOW!
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Don't know what is legal now, the military like society has gone soft but "back in the day" larger US Navy ships had brigs (jail). I witnessed one trouble maker sent to the brig on bread and water for 1 week. Interesting that did not change him, got out of the brig, caused more problems and was dishonorably discharged.
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Interesting comments you made, also cruise ships have brigs, but that is a secret.
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I was in the brig for a time when I was in the service. Lst 1180. I was high as a kite, pissing in a piss test bottle in between the bars. Good times.
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No military service teaches about unlawful orders.
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In the Army we had to go through a class about that at least once a year -- that and the Geneva Convention rules, and all of that
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Yes, I know it was a movie but I have a few questions about what was presented.

For discipline the Pvt. was given water and vitamins for a week. Is this done by the marines? I never heard of such a thing.

No military service teaches about unlawful orders. When the Pvt. asked at the end of the movie, what it was that they had done, that was wrong. I just knew that you followed an illegal order was not going to be the answer.

An E-2 and E-3 were on trial. A military jury needs to have members who outrank the defendants. I saw and 0-3, 0-5, and a 0-6 on that jury. There were a lot of other senior people on that jury.

The doctor had given a profile that restricted the Pvt. to not running more than five miles. WOW!
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Don't know what is legal now, the military like society has gone soft but "back in the day" larger US Navy ships had brigs (jail). I witnessed one trouble maker sent to the brig on bread and water for 1 week. Interesting that did not change him, got out of the brig, caused more problems and was dishonorably discharged.
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In Russian jails you get soup and bread three times a day. In the movie he got vitamins not bread.
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Yes, I know it was a movie but I have a few questions about what was presented.

For discipline the Pvt. was given water and vitamins for a week. Is this done by the marines? I never heard of such a thing.

No military service teaches about unlawful orders. When the Pvt. asked at the end of the movie, what it was that they had done, that was wrong. I just knew that you followed an illegal order was not going to be the answer.

An E-2 and E-3 were on trial. A military jury needs to have members who outrank the defendants. I saw and 0-3, 0-5, and a 0-6 on that jury. There were a lot of other senior people on that jury.

The doctor had given a profile that restricted the Pvt. to not running more than five miles. WOW!
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Hollywood has always gotten the military wrong, even when they hire "expert" consultants to provide guidance.

First of all, USMC Officers exhibit the highest level of professional leadership I've ever seen in any setting. The level of accountability for the actions of those under their command goes all the way up to the Commandant. The crap scenario in this movie would never happen in which any officer over a Boot Lieutenant would cover the illegal actions of anyone.

In reality, if there is some "shit bird" who just can't hack, there is usually some form of NJP (non judicial punishment). If the NJP is accepted, the punishment is handled at the CO level and the shitbird either gets their junk together OR the NJP is rejected and a full court martial takes place.

There is NO room for constant screw ups in the Corps.
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