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You have a brilliant mind Merit.



You resist, but be a part of the greater good. Whenever possible.

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:maybe1:
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I'd have that everyday and twice on Sunday's (in my treehouse of course) Tell her (:heart:) there's no need to be bothered by our chats. We just chat. That's all.
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Merit? It's my Birthday, and I am ooooooooold. Night Sunshine. Beekeeping in the morning. Wish me luck, 'cause I've got three angry hives. They'd ate ya!
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Aye I wish you luck and better you than me old lassy!

Happy birthday and may the road rise up to meet you lovey.
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Never. She's fun and a challenge! And may the wind be at your back. Beannacht. Get over yourself, you are my bro. Thanks though. Give he my heart felt respect.
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I'd have that everyday and twice on Sunday's (in my treehouse of course) Tell her (heart) there's no need to be bothered by our chats. We just chat. That's all.
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Merit? It's my Birthday, and I am ooooooooold. Night Sunshine. Beekeeping in the morning. Wish me luck, 'cause I've got three angry hives. They'd ate ya!
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Aye I wish you luck and better you than me old lassy!

Happy birthday and may the road rise up to meet you lovey.
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Never. She's fun and a challenge! And may the wind be at your back. Beannacht. Get over yourself, you are my bro. Thanks though. Give he my heart felt respect.
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If I got over myself id be standing on me head. What horrible advice.

I will pass along your love.


Don't tell me the moon is shining; show me the glint of light on broken glass.

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You have a brilliant mind Merit.



You resist, but be a part of the greater good. Whenever possible.

hf
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If only I was wired to believe I was capable of knowing what the greatest good is. What an experience that must be.


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We still pals?
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:maybe1:
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I'd have that everyday and twice on Sunday's (in my treehouse of course) Tell her (:heart:) there's no need to be bothered by our chats. We just chat. That's all.
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Merit? It's my Birthday, and I am ooooooooold. Night Sunshine. Beekeeping in the morning. Wish me luck, 'cause I've got three angry hives. They'd ate ya!
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Hey, mine too how bout that :)

birthday to us

Cheers
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From the perspective of the serf. Who are the good guys and who are the bad guys?

Who offers them a better future where they may one day be led to know themselves?

Can you give us a run down of the different factions playing here? Where do the Jewish sage mystics sit in all this?
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Serfdom is an antiquidated idea. At least in much of the modern world. Your lowest in America is above serfdom.


There's multiple ways to explain the factions because it's all interpretations of an infinite concept being explained by a finite mind. So there is definitely an aspect of doing what works for you. Understand?

When you define something you are giving it borders. You are saying this is what it is and this is was it is not. This subject can't be limited that way. It's not it's nature.

But, I'll tell you how i was taught and go from there. Just keep in mind that it has fuzzy borders. There are 3 theories of the universe.



This one holds itself apart from the other two.... Think of the word aloof.


-The neutral school:

The neutral school considers, with complete scientific and philosophical detachment, the fact of the Universe as a fact. Being itself apart of that Universe, it realizes its impotence to alter the outcome in the smallest degree.

So it feels neither hatred or sympathy for the world or reality. The only way it sees to intelligently affect change is do so by decreasing friction both in themselves and in the world. To let things happen as they must and to be at peace with it.

The idea is to be pliable. Able to bend with and evolve to all scenarios and there be a correct answer to balance a problem. Because of this cold detached calculated attitude it is similar to the philosophy of Pythagoras and his math.


-The school of the left:

This school does not see the universe and reality as neutral but as a curse. This is very much like eastern mystic schools of thought.


All life is pain. All pain is caused by desire. So the goal is to achieve nothingness so you be released from the pain of existence.

Think Buddhism. You clear your mind of all thoughts and feelings and strive to achieve nothingness. To reach Nirvana. Which is the state of total nothingness. The destruction of ones existence is their heaven.

You will find examples of this school in Buddhism the Vedas and Upanishads but also in the darker sects of Christianity where basically every human thought and emotion is a sin that there is no escape from.
There is much of this is in a pure form in Schopenhauer if you prefer that over religion or esoteric reading.

-The school of the right:

This is the old alchemy of turning lead into gold. That is the idea that evil can be faced and beaten through force of will and/or a "magical ceremony". Like say how the crucifixion defeated man's sin. This is the manliest of the three schools.

The idea of searching out and facing down the worst evils just so they can be conquered or you be conquered if you fail.

There's not a whole lot of pure examples of this school. The ancient Egyptian religion, some forms of Paganism and early Judaism, Chaldea...and some aspects of Theurgy. Even the shallow idea of Christianity where good overcomes evil. But sin does not fit.

This can be misunderstood as white magic but that is misleading. The practioners of this often pollute themselves by searching out the darkest things in existence and being changed by it in the process. Then trying to battle their way free of it.

Meaning you will do some dark shit along your journey either by being influenced or just to survive.
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Rephrased, I could say accept, quit, or fight

and then rearrange the initials as FAQ

because entertaining
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Happiest of Birthdays to all!
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When you spend a greater amount on militarisation you always have the option to say "fuck off"
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I don't want ppl to think I'm here to tell ppl what's the right and wrong way to do things. That's not what im interested in at all.

The idea of my beliefs is to study the paths while being on it and discovering and to help create ever more new ways to successfully traverse them, and fail them.

So original new ideas are great. So are old and trusted paths.

Because no two ppl's paths are the same no matter which method that is used and reality is expanded every time someone experiences something new on it.
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Great thread, Merit. Sounds like you have a lot of time for Rosicrucians? When you were being taught this stuff when you were young, which group did the teachings most belong to, or did it cover all angles?
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Being illuminated or having esoteric understandings deeper than the average tard is what the whole thing is about. It is not a club really, it is a level of understanding obtained after many (self) initiations showing you things (if you have eyes to see) that help you purify your thoughts and understandings of...concepts lets just say.

Illumination requires no club or group although those also exist.

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Happiest of Birthdays to all!
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hf

Aww thank you sir, I feel awesome now

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As far as how to get in? You're born in or are contacted after your gifts Or level of attainment raise attention to you.
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You're just an entertaining lab rat.
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Oh look the AC pretending to be important.

How original

epiclol
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No, I, you and many others are just lab rats.

You aren't part of any "illuminati", you're just one of many in reality show experiment. How do various personality types respond to this or that. How do they respond to losing all privacy?

Your "gifts"? If any, are given to you by them. If you are experiencing telepathy, it's synthetic. Mkultra type programs.

A lot of people are being tortured in these "programs". They like the attractive, narcissistic ones like you with big egos that don't ever look quite deep enough.

spock
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Being illuminated or having esoteric understandings deeper than the average tard is what the whole thing is about. It is not a club really, it is a level of understanding obtained after many (self) initiations showing you things (if you have eyes to see) that help you purify your thoughts and understandings of...concepts lets just say.

Illumination requires no club or group although those also exist.

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I don't disagree with any of this.


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As far as how to get in? You're born in or are contacted after your gifts Or level of attainment raise attention to you.
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You're just an entertaining lab rat.
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Oh look the AC pretending to be important.

How original

epiclol
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No, I, you and many others are just lab rats.

You aren't part of any "illuminati", you're just one of many in reality show experiment. How do various personality types respond to this or that. How do they respond to losing all privacy?

Your "gifts"? If any, are given to you by them. If you are experiencing telepathy, it's synthetic. Mkultra type programs.

A lot of people are being tortured in these "programs". They like the attractive, narcissistic ones like you with big egos that don't ever look quite deep enough.

spock
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I never said I was in the illuminati weirdo LMAO

And the only ego im seeing is your hurt one.

I do like how you're trying to "come at me" with your projections of what you think I am and do. It's funny how indignant you act towards me for absolutely no reason.

It is however clear that your victim mentality is fully developed.

It was "them" that did this to your life right? chuckle


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I don't want ppl to think I'm here to tell ppl what's the right and wrong way to do things. That's not what im interested in at all.

The idea of my beliefs is to study the paths while being on it and discovering and to help create ever more new ways to successfully traverse them, and fail them.

So original new ideas are great. So are old and trusted paths.

Because no two ppl's paths are the same no matter which method that is used and reality is expanded every time someone experiences something new on it.
 Quoting: Merit


Great thread, Merit. Sounds like you have a lot of time for Rosicrucians? When you were being taught this stuff when you were young, which group did the teachings most belong to, or did it cover all angles?
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I don't understand "you have a lot of time for Rosicrians?".

What I was taught was more like covering all angles. We were rarely told what was right and wrong. We were being taught how to think. How to process ideas. Not what the right and wrong answer were.

What did WE think was the right answer. Why did we think that? If we didn't know then the decision wasn't respected until we did know and could articulate it.

Also we were taught that 'i dont know' is a very intelligent answer.

So logic and reason and psychology of self was what was taught to us. What direction we chose to study was a purely personal decision.

We were taught that there were rules in life though and without them we're just like the animals. That has to do with common sense stuff like knowing and obeying the laws of wherever you may be.

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I don't want ppl to think I'm here to tell ppl what's the right and wrong way to do things. That's not what im interested in at all.

The idea of my beliefs is to study the paths while being on it and discovering and to help create ever more new ways to successfully traverse them, and fail them.

So original new ideas are great. So are old and trusted paths.

Because no two ppl's paths are the same no matter which method that is used and reality is expanded every time someone experiences something new on it.
 Quoting: Merit


Great thread, Merit. Sounds like you have a lot of time for Rosicrucians? When you were being taught this stuff when you were young, which group did the teachings most belong to, or did it cover all angles?
 Quoting: Sussex Man


I don't understand "you have a lot of time for Rosicrians?".

What I was taught was more like covering all angles. We were rarely told what was right and wrong. We were being taught how to think. How to process ideas. Not what the right and wrong answer were.

What did WE think was the right answer. Why did we think that? If we didn't know then the decision wasn't respected until we did know and could articulate it.

Also we were taught that 'i dont know' is a very intelligent answer.

So logic and reason and psychology of self was what was taught to us. What direction we chose to study was a purely personal decision.

We were taught that there were rules in life though and without them we're just like the animals. That has to do with common sense stuff like knowing and obeying the laws of wherever you may be.
 Quoting: Merit



If I may piggy back, please..

The most evil phrase in Mandarin is jíqiè de jiêshì -to explain with urgency

Ie, fast talkers or circle talkers




-Learning to think, teaches someone to use causality in a world of black and white. Playing it forward, and switching your pov, stepping outside yourself to make the "best informed" decisions and choices..

Some of you "teacher types" (no offense, truly, you like to point the way, nothing wrong there) get a bad wrap because you don't spoon-feed the flock, as it were.

Truth is that's your humanity showing.

Some people wouldn't know of love, until it choked them to death in frustration lol.

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Happiest of Birthdays to all!
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hf

Aww thank you sir, I feel awesome now

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We are always awesome - celebrate life!
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I don't want ppl to think I'm here to tell ppl what's the right and wrong way to do things. That's not what im interested in at all.

The idea of my beliefs is to study the paths while being on it and discovering and to help create ever more new ways to successfully traverse them, and fail them.

So original new ideas are great. So are old and trusted paths.

Because no two ppl's paths are the same no matter which method that is used and reality is expanded every time someone experiences something new on it.
 Quoting: Merit


Great thread, Merit. Sounds like you have a lot of time for Rosicrucians? When you were being taught this stuff when you were young, which group did the teachings most belong to, or did it cover all angles?
 Quoting: Sussex Man


I don't understand "you have a lot of time for Rosicrians?".

What I was taught was more like covering all angles. We were rarely told what was right and wrong. We were being taught how to think. How to process ideas. Not what the right and wrong answer were.

What did WE think was the right answer. Why did we think that? If we didn't know then the decision wasn't respected until we did know and could articulate it.

Also we were taught that 'i dont know' is a very intelligent answer.

So logic and reason and psychology of self was what was taught to us. What direction we chose to study was a purely personal decision.

We were taught that there were rules in life though and without them we're just like the animals. That has to do with common sense stuff like knowing and obeying the laws of wherever you may be.
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I guess it was my interpretation of the way you described Rosicrucians as using "high magic" whereas Freemasons use more worldly tactics - it made it sound like a more noble and higher method. Guess it was just my interpretation.

I know a few people who seem to be "activated" in a psychic way and have healing powers, who say all you need to do is meditate a lot to develop. I guess that is the Eastern way, as taught by Indian Gurus, and the left hand path that you describe. It seems incongruous that by doing that you can achieve similar results as the years of dedication and personal development exercises (all that black and white mirror stuff) it takes to get there using the western mysteries.

Are you familiar with Franz Barden's work? He seems to present a pretty good starter's guide in "Initiation Into Hermetics" - lots of development exercises to go through and perfect. Do you think it is of value?
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Op sounds like a low level perp, pushing meritocracy.

The alumbrados have no excuse for their treacheries.

He's defending those who deserve no defense, who deserve to fall by the wayside; upon their own swords.

Fucking criminals themselves.

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Op sounds like a low level perp, pushing meritocracy.

The alumbrados have no excuse for their treacheries.

He's defending those who deserve no defense, who deserve to fall by the wayside; upon their own swords.

Fucking criminals themselves.

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What I read from the OP is that wannabes are being conned, basically victims of their own greed and ignorance, and the perpetrators are imposters without any standing.

I don't know that anything is being defended, just laid out for examination.

I do think that secrets are pretty much a slow acting poison.
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I don't want ppl to think I'm here to tell ppl what's the right and wrong way to do things. That's not what im interested in at all.

The idea of my beliefs is to study the paths while being on it and discovering and to help create ever more new ways to successfully traverse them, and fail them.

So original new ideas are great. So are old and trusted paths.

Because no two ppl's paths are the same no matter which method that is used and reality is expanded every time someone experiences something new on it.
 Quoting: Merit


Great thread, Merit. Sounds like you have a lot of time for Rosicrucians? When you were being taught this stuff when you were young, which group did the teachings most belong to, or did it cover all angles?
 Quoting: Sussex Man


I don't understand "you have a lot of time for Rosicrians?".

What I was taught was more like covering all angles. We were rarely told what was right and wrong. We were being taught how to think. How to process ideas. Not what the right and wrong answer were.

What did WE think was the right answer. Why did we think that? If we didn't know then the decision wasn't respected until we did know and could articulate it.

Also we were taught that 'i dont know' is a very intelligent answer.

So logic and reason and psychology of self was what was taught to us. What direction we chose to study was a purely personal decision.

We were taught that there were rules in life though and without them we're just like the animals. That has to do with common sense stuff like knowing and obeying the laws of wherever you may be.
 Quoting: Merit



If I may piggy back, please..

The most evil phrase in Mandarin is jíqiè de jiêshì -to explain with urgency

Ie, fast talkers or circle talkers




-Learning to think, teaches someone to use causality in a world of black and white. Playing it forward, and switching your pov, stepping outside yourself to make the "best informed" decisions and choices..

Some of you "teacher types" (no offense, truly, you like to point the way, nothing wrong there) get a bad wrap because you don't spoon-feed the flock, as it were.

Truth is that's your humanity showing.

Some people wouldn't know of love, until it choked them to death in frustration lol.

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Silver linings and all
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The reality is gurus are dishonest at best and toxic manipulators at their worst. The only thing a guru can teach anyone is their own truth and convince you That their way is better than anything you can come up with. That is a perversion of wisdom. It's antithesis. There is no one true path.

Because this subject is so personally tailored to each individual spoon feeding is an exercise in either futility or deception.

What is one person's food is another person's poison and yet another person's just useless information.

The only honest thing you can do is teach ppl how to logic and reason and what their choices are and not influence their choices.


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I don't want ppl to think I'm here to tell ppl what's the right and wrong way to do things. That's not what im interested in at all.

The idea of my beliefs is to study the paths while being on it and discovering and to help create ever more new ways to successfully traverse them, and fail them.

So original new ideas are great. So are old and trusted paths.

Because no two ppl's paths are the same no matter which method that is used and reality is expanded every time someone experiences something new on it.
 Quoting: Merit


Great thread, Merit. Sounds like you have a lot of time for Rosicrucians? When you were being taught this stuff when you were young, which group did the teachings most belong to, or did it cover all angles?
 Quoting: Sussex Man


I don't understand "you have a lot of time for Rosicrians?".

What I was taught was more like covering all angles. We were rarely told what was right and wrong. We were being taught how to think. How to process ideas. Not what the right and wrong answer were.

What did WE think was the right answer. Why did we think that? If we didn't know then the decision wasn't respected until we did know and could articulate it.

Also we were taught that 'i dont know' is a very intelligent answer.

So logic and reason and psychology of self was what was taught to us. What direction we chose to study was a purely personal decision.

We were taught that there were rules in life though and without them we're just like the animals. That has to do with common sense stuff like knowing and obeying the laws of wherever you may be.
 Quoting: Merit


I guess it was my interpretation of the way you described Rosicrucians as using "high magic" whereas Freemasons use more worldly tactics - it made it sound like a more noble and higher method. Guess it was just my interpretation.

I know a few people who seem to be "activated" in a psychic way and have healing powers, who say all you need to do is meditate a lot to develop. I guess that is the Eastern way, as taught by Indian Gurus, and the left hand path that you describe. It seems incongruous that by doing that you can achieve similar results as the years of dedication and personal development exercises (all that black and white mirror stuff) it takes to get there using the western mysteries.

Are you familiar with Franz Barden's work? He seems to present a pretty good starter's guide in "Initiation Into Hermetics" - lots of development exercises to go through and perfect. Do you think it is of value?
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High magic and lower magic were not my proffered nomenclature. They're technical terms with exact definitions.

Higher magic refers to elaborate ceremonies with everything from alters and whole covens chanting with incense burning to offerings and sacrifices done in a very specific way dictated by occult science.

Lower magic is things like psychological tricks and glamours. Even actually magic tricks are considered lower magic. But if youve ever seen professional magicians acts you can imagine how impressive and devastating lower magic can be. Especially if being used against you in everyday settings without your knowledge or being told so at the end of the trick.

Eastern minds typically responded better to eastern lessons and likewise for Western minds and their schools of thought. That was then, this is now. With so many more resources available to anybody now it's all became hybrid theories of searches combining the best methods they can fund for them from multiple schools.

Franz Barden's an excellent resource if that is the direction you feel lead. His whole purpose was to create a Hermetic curriculum for ppl who did not have a personal teacher. I don't think anyone will deny he did a good job of that with his lessons and explanations.

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I told you friend. Ppl do not want knowledge or even the proper history of these things they pretend to know about in the esoteric.

They want to intuit everything. Handed to them on a silver platter. They want the muse to give it to them based on nothing but the intensity of their vanity and the vision they have of what they would do with such gifts.

They want hacks, short cuts, secrets to get rich quick venues, power over ppl with a waive of the hand like a Jedi.


But would you take financial advice on how to invest your millions from a life long poor man? Of course not. Not when it came down to it and it was really your millions on the line.

So it is with the 9 goddesses. They do not inspire, even those with gifts, to power if they're doing nothing with what they have already.


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For some, finding knowledge is a drive more powerful than the pursuit of power or money.

Curiosity compels.

To be handed knowledge misses the point, because it is only in the process of discovery, with all its sidetracks and missteps and distractions, that truth may be found in all its dimensions.





The traditional Muses, daughters of Zeus and Mnemosyne, thunder and memory - you would assume this lightening finds the highest point.

Deities act according to their nature.
And so it is certain that the lightening fires unabated regardless of the worthiness of men.

So inspiration may not be determined by value but rather -
Who is willing to stand in a storm?
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Great thread, Merit. Sounds like you have a lot of time for Rosicrucians? When you were being taught this stuff when you were young, which group did the teachings most belong to, or did it cover all angles?
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I don't understand "you have a lot of time for Rosicrians?".

What I was taught was more like covering all angles. We were rarely told what was right and wrong. We were being taught how to think. How to process ideas. Not what the right and wrong answer were.

What did WE think was the right answer. Why did we think that? If we didn't know then the decision wasn't respected until we did know and could articulate it.

Also we were taught that 'i dont know' is a very intelligent answer.

So logic and reason and psychology of self was what was taught to us. What direction we chose to study was a purely personal decision.

We were taught that there were rules in life though and without them we're just like the animals. That has to do with common sense stuff like knowing and obeying the laws of wherever you may be.
 Quoting: Merit


I guess it was my interpretation of the way you described Rosicrucians as using "high magic" whereas Freemasons use more worldly tactics - it made it sound like a more noble and higher method. Guess it was just my interpretation.

I know a few people who seem to be "activated" in a psychic way and have healing powers, who say all you need to do is meditate a lot to develop. I guess that is the Eastern way, as taught by Indian Gurus, and the left hand path that you describe. It seems incongruous that by doing that you can achieve similar results as the years of dedication and personal development exercises (all that black and white mirror stuff) it takes to get there using the western mysteries.

Are you familiar with Franz Barden's work? He seems to present a pretty good starter's guide in "Initiation Into Hermetics" - lots of development exercises to go through and perfect. Do you think it is of value?
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High magic and lower magic were not my proffered nomenclature. They're technical terms with exact definitions.

Higher magic refers to elaborate ceremonies with everything from alters and whole covens chanting with incense burning to offerings and sacrifices done in a very specific way dictated by occult science.

Lower magic is things like psychological tricks and glamours. Even actually magic tricks are considered lower magic. But if youve ever seen professional magicians acts you can imagine how impressive and devastating lower magic can be. Especially if being used against you in everyday settings without your knowledge or being told so at the end of the trick.

Eastern minds typically responded better to eastern lessons and likewise for Western minds and their schools of thought. That was then, this is now. With so many more resources available to anybody now it's all became hybrid theories of searches combining the best methods they can fund for them from multiple schools.

Franz Barden's an excellent resource if that is the direction you feel lead. His whole purpose was to create a Hermetic curriculum for ppl who did not have a personal teacher. I don't think anyone will deny he did a good job of that with his lessons and explanations.
 Quoting: Merit


I've never understood high magic, I don't think I wanted to because I never saw the value in it other than training or preparing one's own mental prowess.

I understand low magic and the power it conveys because I have an good grasp of causality. If only people would understand how fearsome some low magicians are when combined with knowledge, money and power.

My biggest failing is not being able to plan to play the long game. I was always taught to not plan too far ahead so my plans would be more adaptable when circumstances changed.

For instance I was taught to think three moves ahead in Chess, but no more because of the shifting sands and over commitment to a plan can bring about one's undoing.

For instance one can plan for for an retirement of ease, but have a heart attack next week wiping out the American's retirement fund...

The reason for this long boring post is; most people who look behind the curtain see low magicians working their craft. But the esoteric things remain mysterious to them because they can't see the workings of high magic or its effects. Thus making low magic more common.

I guess a lower level of high magic would be like going to church, making friends and feeling happy that the deity loves you. So you drink in moderation and avoid liver cirrhosis later in life...
Or you volunteer at a soup kitchen and make a difference in a homeless person's life to feel good about yourself. That way you stop worrying about any problems you may have and focus on solving other people's problems for a stress free night.

:blah: I think I'm locked into finding causality where there isn't any.

I'm hopeless! :D
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04/01/2019 11:07 AM
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For some, finding knowledge is a drive more powerful than the pursuit of power or money.

Curiosity compels.

To be handed knowledge misses the point, because it is only in the process of discovery, with all its sidetracks and missteps and distractions, that truth may be found in all its dimensions.

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If the Devil is in the details then God is in the process.


The traditional Muses, daughters of Zeus and Mnemosyne, thunder and memory - you would assume this lightening finds the highest point.

Deities act according to their nature.
And so it is certain that the lightening fires unabated regardless of the worthiness of men.

So inspiration may not be determined by value but rather -
Who is willing to stand in a storm?
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There's billions of ppl down here. One either has to be extremely lucky or very industrious in how they mske themselves stand out in a crowd of billions where everyone is jumping up and down and waving their arms to be noticed at the same time.

I like your anology of lightening striking the highest point.

You could look at it as making yourself more accessible by climbing high up in a storm by yourself or doing something else foolish or dangerous to increase your visibility. (That is very similar to the path of the fool)

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I don't understand "you have a lot of time for Rosicrians?".

What I was taught was more like covering all angles. We were rarely told what was right and wrong. We were being taught how to think. How to process ideas. Not what the right and wrong answer were.

What did WE think was the right answer. Why did we think that? If we didn't know then the decision wasn't respected until we did know and could articulate it.

Also we were taught that 'i dont know' is a very intelligent answer.

So logic and reason and psychology of self was what was taught to us. What direction we chose to study was a purely personal decision.

We were taught that there were rules in life though and without them we're just like the animals. That has to do with common sense stuff like knowing and obeying the laws of wherever you may be.
 Quoting: Merit


I guess it was my interpretation of the way you described Rosicrucians as using "high magic" whereas Freemasons use more worldly tactics - it made it sound like a more noble and higher method. Guess it was just my interpretation.

I know a few people who seem to be "activated" in a psychic way and have healing powers, who say all you need to do is meditate a lot to develop. I guess that is the Eastern way, as taught by Indian Gurus, and the left hand path that you describe. It seems incongruous that by doing that you can achieve similar results as the years of dedication and personal development exercises (all that black and white mirror stuff) it takes to get there using the western mysteries.

Are you familiar with Franz Barden's work? He seems to present a pretty good starter's guide in "Initiation Into Hermetics" - lots of development exercises to go through and perfect. Do you think it is of value?
 Quoting: Sussex Man


High magic and lower magic were not my proffered nomenclature. They're technical terms with exact definitions.

Higher magic refers to elaborate ceremonies with everything from alters and whole covens chanting with incense burning to offerings and sacrifices done in a very specific way dictated by occult science.

Lower magic is things like psychological tricks and glamours. Even actually magic tricks are considered lower magic. But if youve ever seen professional magicians acts you can imagine how impressive and devastating lower magic can be. Especially if being used against you in everyday settings without your knowledge or being told so at the end of the trick.

Eastern minds typically responded better to eastern lessons and likewise for Western minds and their schools of thought. That was then, this is now. With so many more resources available to anybody now it's all became hybrid theories of searches combining the best methods they can fund for them from multiple schools.

Franz Barden's an excellent resource if that is the direction you feel lead. His whole purpose was to create a Hermetic curriculum for ppl who did not have a personal teacher. I don't think anyone will deny he did a good job of that with his lessons and explanations.
 Quoting: Merit


I've never understood high magic, I don't think I wanted to because I never saw the value in it other than training or preparing one's own mental prowess.

I understand low magic and the power it conveys because I have an good grasp of causality. If only people would understand how fearsome some low magicians are when combined with knowledge, money and power.

My biggest failing is not being able to plan to play the long game. I was always taught to not plan too far ahead so my plans would be more adaptable when circumstances changed.

For instance I was taught to think three moves ahead in Chess, but no more because of the shifting sands and over commitment to a plan can bring about one's undoing.

For instance one can plan for for an retirement of ease, but have a heart attack next week wiping out the American's retirement fund...

The reason for this long boring post is; most people who look behind the curtain see low magicians working their craft. But the esoteric things remain mysterious to them because they can't see the workings of high magic or its effects. Thus making low magic more common.

I guess a lower level of high magic would be like going to church, making friends and feeling happy that the deity loves you. So you drink in moderation and avoid liver cirrhosis later in life...
Or you volunteer at a soup kitchen and make a difference in a homeless person's life to feel good about yourself. That way you stop worrying about any problems you may have and focus on solving other people's problems for a stress free night.

blah I think I'm locked into finding causality where there isn't any.

I'm hopeless! :D
 Quoting: NowIhavetothinkofaname 76315915


High magic isnt for everyone and as you point out where is the proof it works? Its just another faith based exercise on it's surface. No different than a catholic ceremony with all its incense and chanting and kneeling. The general idea being that if it's done correctly and earnestly then it makes you standout and grants you a more personal audience with your deity.

Yes ppl underestimate lower magic, mans magic, and all its nuisances. Most of us know who Chris Angel is and have seen his videos of various kinds of mentalism, slight of hand and misdirection. Even knowing who he is and that he is tricking you he still can do it in impressive fashion. Imagine dealing with someone with his skill who never admits he is performing magic tricks on you or needs their ego to take credit for tricking you ? They would be devastatingly effective. That kind of manipulation is known as black psychology.

There's a middle ground for your Longview problem dude.

Let's say you're going to climb a mountain. Your longterm plan is to climb the mountain right? No matter what you know what direction youre headed even if you don't know exactly how you're going to do it. So it is with keeping a long game. You just keep plodding towards the goal until a plan creates itself out of your circumstances.

The only way your plan to climb truly stops is if you turn around and come back down. Otherwise your plan is just stalled.

Or you can be that weirdo who stopped halfway up and now lives on the side of the mountain and won't go up or down out of indecision 1dunno1

But indecision is a completely different problem than not planning ahead

Last Edited by Merit on 04/01/2019 11:56 AM


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