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I guess it was my interpretation of the way you described Rosicrucians as using "high magic" whereas Freemasons use more worldly tactics - it made it sound like a more noble and higher method. Guess it was just my interpretation.

I know a few people who seem to be "activated" in a psychic way and have healing powers, who say all you need to do is meditate a lot to develop. I guess that is the Eastern way, as taught by Indian Gurus, and the left hand path that you describe. It seems incongruous that by doing that you can achieve similar results as the years of dedication and personal development exercises (all that black and white mirror stuff) it takes to get there using the western mysteries.

Are you familiar with Franz Barden's work? He seems to present a pretty good starter's guide in "Initiation Into Hermetics" - lots of development exercises to go through and perfect. Do you think it is of value?
 Quoting: Sussex Man


High magic and lower magic were not my proffered nomenclature. They're technical terms with exact definitions.

Higher magic refers to elaborate ceremonies with everything from alters and whole covens chanting with incense burning to offerings and sacrifices done in a very specific way dictated by occult science.

Lower magic is things like psychological tricks and glamours. Even actually magic tricks are considered lower magic. But if youve ever seen professional magicians acts you can imagine how impressive and devastating lower magic can be. Especially if being used against you in everyday settings without your knowledge or being told so at the end of the trick.

Eastern minds typically responded better to eastern lessons and likewise for Western minds and their schools of thought. That was then, this is now. With so many more resources available to anybody now it's all became hybrid theories of searches combining the best methods they can fund for them from multiple schools.

Franz Barden's an excellent resource if that is the direction you feel lead. His whole purpose was to create a Hermetic curriculum for ppl who did not have a personal teacher. I don't think anyone will deny he did a good job of that with his lessons and explanations.
 Quoting: Merit


I've never understood high magic, I don't think I wanted to because I never saw the value in it other than training or preparing one's own mental prowess.

I understand low magic and the power it conveys because I have an good grasp of causality. If only people would understand how fearsome some low magicians are when combined with knowledge, money and power.

My biggest failing is not being able to plan to play the long game. I was always taught to not plan too far ahead so my plans would be more adaptable when circumstances changed.

For instance I was taught to think three moves ahead in Chess, but no more because of the shifting sands and over commitment to a plan can bring about one's undoing.

For instance one can plan for for an retirement of ease, but have a heart attack next week wiping out the American's retirement fund...

The reason for this long boring post is; most people who look behind the curtain see low magicians working their craft. But the esoteric things remain mysterious to them because they can't see the workings of high magic or its effects. Thus making low magic more common.

I guess a lower level of high magic would be like going to church, making friends and feeling happy that the deity loves you. So you drink in moderation and avoid liver cirrhosis later in life...
Or you volunteer at a soup kitchen and make a difference in a homeless person's life to feel good about yourself. That way you stop worrying about any problems you may have and focus on solving other people's problems for a stress free night.

:blah: I think I'm locked into finding causality where there isn't any.

I'm hopeless! :D
 Quoting: NowIhavetothinkofaname 76315915


High magic isnt for everyone and as you point out where is the proof it works? Its just another faith based exercise on it's surface. No different than a catholic ceremony with all its incense and chanting and kneeling. The general idea being that if it's done correctly and earnestly then it makes you standout and grants you a more personal audience with your deity.

Yes ppl underestimate lower magic, mans magic, and all its nuisances. Most of us know who Chris Angel is and have seen his videos of various kinds of mentalism, slight of hand and misdirection. Even knowing who he is and that he is tricking you he still can do it in impressive fashion. Imagine dealing with someone with his skill who never admits he is performing magic tricks on you or needs their ego to take credit for tricking you ? They would be devastatingly effective. That kind of manipulation is known as black psychology.

There's a middle ground for your Longview problem dude.

Let's say you're going to climb a mountain. Your longterm plan is to climb the mountain right? No matter what you know what direction youre headed even if you don't know exactly how you're going to do it. So it is with keeping a long game. You just keep plodding towards the goal until a plan creates itself out of your circumstances.

The only way your plan to climb truly stops is if you turn around and come back down. Otherwise your plan is just stalled.

Or you can be that weirdo who stopped halfway up and now lives on the side of the mountain and won't go up or down out of indecision 1dunno1

But indecision is a completely different problem than not planning ahead
 Quoting: Merit


Thanks a bunch dood! You've helped me a lot and it's not just me who owes you a debt of gratitude.

There's dozens of lurkers who aren't chatty and your usual pets. Who would no doubt begrudgingly admit you've helped them if only they would get over their issues and take the time to listen to you or at least stop ranting! :D

You've saved me a lot of time by convincing me not to look into high magic. If I can't see the causality I'll never really get it.

As for low magic, as I understand it. It's more than just psychology and mind games, or even magician tricks although that is certainly part of it. I know some people with access to tools at their disposal which offers them the capacity to use the force of the state as their own power. That right there is some seriously scary stuff, which makes me wary of people using low magic because of the level of force some people possess. But I will Google Black Psychology! :D

And again you're right about developing goals and working towards them by using mountain climbing as an example. I guess I've been heavily conditioned to value adaptability over long term thinking.

For instance I may make climbing a mountain a goal and save up for it. But those sort of goals seem so distant as to be dreams as opposed to immediate objectives.

I do have a goal of one day owning a unit in regional Australia, because regional cities have amenities and are much cheaper than the capitals. First I go bankrupt and use the cost of living minimalization to save up a deposit and slowly pay off the unit. I have $400 in Ripple and who knows where that will go!

But I've started saving money and moving to a regional city that offers cheap rent is a start to building up that deposit. But it seems like an intangible dream and not something that will come to fruition any time soon so I don't focus on it.

Besides even if I do buy that unit, there's no guarantee I wont die from heart disease sometime over the next 10 years...

I think I was taught the adaptability because we're not guaranteed another day on Earth let alone 20 years to pay off a unit. There's so many different ways to die, from heart attacks to cancer to accidents to governments failing to civil war!

All we can do is hope for the best and plan for the worst.
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I guess it was my interpretation of the way you described Rosicrucians as using "high magic" whereas Freemasons use more worldly tactics - it made it sound like a more noble and higher method. Guess it was just my interpretation.

I know a few people who seem to be "activated" in a psychic way and have healing powers, who say all you need to do is meditate a lot to develop. I guess that is the Eastern way, as taught by Indian Gurus, and the left hand path that you describe. It seems incongruous that by doing that you can achieve similar results as the years of dedication and personal development exercises (all that black and white mirror stuff) it takes to get there using the western mysteries.

Are you familiar with Franz Barden's work? He seems to present a pretty good starter's guide in "Initiation Into Hermetics" - lots of development exercises to go through and perfect. Do you think it is of value?
 Quoting: Sussex Man


High magic and lower magic were not my proffered nomenclature. They're technical terms with exact definitions.

Higher magic refers to elaborate ceremonies with everything from alters and whole covens chanting with incense burning to offerings and sacrifices done in a very specific way dictated by occult science.

Lower magic is things like psychological tricks and glamours. Even actually magic tricks are considered lower magic. But if youve ever seen professional magicians acts you can imagine how impressive and devastating lower magic can be. Especially if being used against you in everyday settings without your knowledge or being told so at the end of the trick.

Eastern minds typically responded better to eastern lessons and likewise for Western minds and their schools of thought. That was then, this is now. With so many more resources available to anybody now it's all became hybrid theories of searches combining the best methods they can fund for them from multiple schools.

Franz Barden's an excellent resource if that is the direction you feel lead. His whole purpose was to create a Hermetic curriculum for ppl who did not have a personal teacher. I don't think anyone will deny he did a good job of that with his lessons and explanations.
 Quoting: Merit


I've never understood high magic, I don't think I wanted to because I never saw the value in it other than training or preparing one's own mental prowess.

I understand low magic and the power it conveys because I have an good grasp of causality. If only people would understand how fearsome some low magicians are when combined with knowledge, money and power.

My biggest failing is not being able to plan to play the long game. I was always taught to not plan too far ahead so my plans would be more adaptable when circumstances changed.

For instance I was taught to think three moves ahead in Chess, but no more because of the shifting sands and over commitment to a plan can bring about one's undoing.

For instance one can plan for for an retirement of ease, but have a heart attack next week wiping out the American's retirement fund...

The reason for this long boring post is; most people who look behind the curtain see low magicians working their craft. But the esoteric things remain mysterious to them because they can't see the workings of high magic or its effects. Thus making low magic more common.

I guess a lower level of high magic would be like going to church, making friends and feeling happy that the deity loves you. So you drink in moderation and avoid liver cirrhosis later in life...
Or you volunteer at a soup kitchen and make a difference in a homeless person's life to feel good about yourself. That way you stop worrying about any problems you may have and focus on solving other people's problems for a stress free night.

:blah: I think I'm locked into finding causality where there isn't any.

I'm hopeless! :D
 Quoting: NowIhavetothinkofaname 76315915


High magic isnt for everyone and as you point out where is the proof it works? Its just another faith based exercise on it's surface. No different than a catholic ceremony with all its incense and chanting and kneeling. The general idea being that if it's done correctly and earnestly then it makes you standout and grants you a more personal audience with your deity.

Yes ppl underestimate lower magic, mans magic, and all its nuisances. Most of us know who Chris Angel is and have seen his videos of various kinds of mentalism, slight of hand and misdirection. Even knowing who he is and that he is tricking you he still can do it in impressive fashion. Imagine dealing with someone with his skill who never admits he is performing magic tricks on you or needs their ego to take credit for tricking you ? They would be devastatingly effective. That kind of manipulation is known as black psychology.

There's a middle ground for your Longview problem dude.

Let's say you're going to climb a mountain. Your longterm plan is to climb the mountain right? No matter what you know what direction youre headed even if you don't know exactly how you're going to do it. So it is with keeping a long game. You just keep plodding towards the goal until a plan creates itself out of your circumstances.

The only way your plan to climb truly stops is if you turn around and come back down. Otherwise your plan is just stalled.

Or you can be that weirdo who stopped halfway up and now lives on the side of the mountain and won't go up or down out of indecision 1dunno1

But indecision is a completely different problem than not planning ahead
 Quoting: Merit


I Googled Black Psychology and found a lot of African American psychologists. But the words "Dark Psychology" gave me what you were talking about.
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High magic and lower magic were not my proffered nomenclature. They're technical terms with exact definitions.

Higher magic refers to elaborate ceremonies with everything from alters and whole covens chanting with incense burning to offerings and sacrifices done in a very specific way dictated by occult science.

Lower magic is things like psychological tricks and glamours. Even actually magic tricks are considered lower magic. But if youve ever seen professional magicians acts you can imagine how impressive and devastating lower magic can be. Especially if being used against you in everyday settings without your knowledge or being told so at the end of the trick.

Eastern minds typically responded better to eastern lessons and likewise for Western minds and their schools of thought. That was then, this is now. With so many more resources available to anybody now it's all became hybrid theories of searches combining the best methods they can fund for them from multiple schools.

Franz Barden's an excellent resource if that is the direction you feel lead. His whole purpose was to create a Hermetic curriculum for ppl who did not have a personal teacher. I don't think anyone will deny he did a good job of that with his lessons and explanations.
 Quoting: Merit


I've never understood high magic, I don't think I wanted to because I never saw the value in it other than training or preparing one's own mental prowess.

I understand low magic and the power it conveys because I have an good grasp of causality. If only people would understand how fearsome some low magicians are when combined with knowledge, money and power.

My biggest failing is not being able to plan to play the long game. I was always taught to not plan too far ahead so my plans would be more adaptable when circumstances changed.

For instance I was taught to think three moves ahead in Chess, but no more because of the shifting sands and over commitment to a plan can bring about one's undoing.

For instance one can plan for for an retirement of ease, but have a heart attack next week wiping out the American's retirement fund...

The reason for this long boring post is; most people who look behind the curtain see low magicians working their craft. But the esoteric things remain mysterious to them because they can't see the workings of high magic or its effects. Thus making low magic more common.

I guess a lower level of high magic would be like going to church, making friends and feeling happy that the deity loves you. So you drink in moderation and avoid liver cirrhosis later in life...
Or you volunteer at a soup kitchen and make a difference in a homeless person's life to feel good about yourself. That way you stop worrying about any problems you may have and focus on solving other people's problems for a stress free night.

blah I think I'm locked into finding causality where there isn't any.

I'm hopeless! :D
 Quoting: NowIhavetothinkofaname 76315915


High magic isnt for everyone and as you point out where is the proof it works? Its just another faith based exercise on it's surface. No different than a catholic ceremony with all its incense and chanting and kneeling. The general idea being that if it's done correctly and earnestly then it makes you standout and grants you a more personal audience with your deity.

Yes ppl underestimate lower magic, mans magic, and all its nuisances. Most of us know who Chris Angel is and have seen his videos of various kinds of mentalism, slight of hand and misdirection. Even knowing who he is and that he is tricking you he still can do it in impressive fashion. Imagine dealing with someone with his skill who never admits he is performing magic tricks on you or needs their ego to take credit for tricking you ? They would be devastatingly effective. That kind of manipulation is known as black psychology.

There's a middle ground for your Longview problem dude.

Let's say you're going to climb a mountain. Your longterm plan is to climb the mountain right? No matter what you know what direction youre headed even if you don't know exactly how you're going to do it. So it is with keeping a long game. You just keep plodding towards the goal until a plan creates itself out of your circumstances.

The only way your plan to climb truly stops is if you turn around and come back down. Otherwise your plan is just stalled.

Or you can be that weirdo who stopped halfway up and now lives on the side of the mountain and won't go up or down out of indecision 1dunno1

But indecision is a completely different problem than not planning ahead
 Quoting: Merit


Thanks a bunch dood! You've helped me a lot and it's not just me who owes you a debt of gratitude.

There's dozens of lurkers who aren't chatty and your usual pets. Who would no doubt begrudgingly admit you've helped them if only they would get over their issues and take the time to listen to you or at least stop ranting! :D

You've saved me a lot of time by convincing me not to look into high magic. If I can't see the causality I'll never really get it.

As for low magic, as I understand it. It's more than just psychology and mind games, or even magician tricks although that is certainly part of it. I know some people with access to tools at their disposal which offers them the capacity to use the force of the state as their own power. That right there is some seriously scary stuff, which makes me wary of people using low magic because of the level of force some people possess. But I will Google Black Psychology! :D

And again you're right about developing goals and working towards them by using mountain climbing as an example. I guess I've been heavily conditioned to value adaptability over long term thinking.

For instance I may make climbing a mountain a goal and save up for it. But those sort of goals seem so distant as to be dreams as opposed to immediate objectives.

I do have a goal of one day owning a unit in regional Australia, because regional cities have amenities and are much cheaper than the capitals. First I go bankrupt and use the cost of living minimalization to save up a deposit and slowly pay off the unit. I have $400 in Ripple and who knows where that will go!

But I've started saving money and moving to a regional city that offers cheap rent is a start to building up that deposit. But it seems like an intangible dream and not something that will come to fruition any time soon so I don't focus on it.

Besides even if I do buy that unit, there's no guarantee I wont die from heart disease sometime over the next 10 years...

I think I was taught the adaptability because we're not guaranteed another day on Earth let alone 20 years to pay off a unit. There's so many different ways to die, from heart attacks to cancer to accidents to governments failing to civil war!

All we can do is hope for the best and plan for the worst.
 Quoting: NowIhavetothinkofaname 76315915


Yeah low magic confuses ppl because of how its labeled.

You could also define it as high magic being power you are requesting from a deity. (From on high)

And low magic as powers you already possess naturally and/or intuition. That could include really powerful things like all the classic supernatural gifts. Psychic, premonition, mind speak, hypnosis, clairvoyance, clairaudience etcetera etcetera...

And it's kind of funny because often thats why ppl do high magic, to try and gain those kinds of gifts.

It's the old nature vs nurture argument.

Even the term black psychology is misleading. Black does not refer to evil, it replies to being hidden and unseen. It's in the dark when used. So "black".
How you use it decides if it's good,bad or evil.

It's all a completely different way of thinking and seeing reality.

It's a specific kind of paradigm shift.

Last Edited by Merit on 04/01/2019 01:25 PM


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High magic and lower magic were not my proffered nomenclature. They're technical terms with exact definitions.

Higher magic refers to elaborate ceremonies with everything from alters and whole covens chanting with incense burning to offerings and sacrifices done in a very specific way dictated by occult science.

Lower magic is things like psychological tricks and glamours. Even actually magic tricks are considered lower magic. But if youve ever seen professional magicians acts you can imagine how impressive and devastating lower magic can be. Especially if being used against you in everyday settings without your knowledge or being told so at the end of the trick.

Eastern minds typically responded better to eastern lessons and likewise for Western minds and their schools of thought. That was then, this is now. With so many more resources available to anybody now it's all became hybrid theories of searches combining the best methods they can fund for them from multiple schools.

Franz Barden's an excellent resource if that is the direction you feel lead. His whole purpose was to create a Hermetic curriculum for ppl who did not have a personal teacher. I don't think anyone will deny he did a good job of that with his lessons and explanations.
 Quoting: Merit


I've never understood high magic, I don't think I wanted to because I never saw the value in it other than training or preparing one's own mental prowess.

I understand low magic and the power it conveys because I have an good grasp of causality. If only people would understand how fearsome some low magicians are when combined with knowledge, money and power.

My biggest failing is not being able to plan to play the long game. I was always taught to not plan too far ahead so my plans would be more adaptable when circumstances changed.

For instance I was taught to think three moves ahead in Chess, but no more because of the shifting sands and over commitment to a plan can bring about one's undoing.

For instance one can plan for for an retirement of ease, but have a heart attack next week wiping out the American's retirement fund...

The reason for this long boring post is; most people who look behind the curtain see low magicians working their craft. But the esoteric things remain mysterious to them because they can't see the workings of high magic or its effects. Thus making low magic more common.

I guess a lower level of high magic would be like going to church, making friends and feeling happy that the deity loves you. So you drink in moderation and avoid liver cirrhosis later in life...
Or you volunteer at a soup kitchen and make a difference in a homeless person's life to feel good about yourself. That way you stop worrying about any problems you may have and focus on solving other people's problems for a stress free night.

blah I think I'm locked into finding causality where there isn't any.

I'm hopeless! :D
 Quoting: NowIhavetothinkofaname 76315915


High magic isnt for everyone and as you point out where is the proof it works? Its just another faith based exercise on it's surface. No different than a catholic ceremony with all its incense and chanting and kneeling. The general idea being that if it's done correctly and earnestly then it makes you standout and grants you a more personal audience with your deity.

Yes ppl underestimate lower magic, mans magic, and all its nuisances. Most of us know who Chris Angel is and have seen his videos of various kinds of mentalism, slight of hand and misdirection. Even knowing who he is and that he is tricking you he still can do it in impressive fashion. Imagine dealing with someone with his skill who never admits he is performing magic tricks on you or needs their ego to take credit for tricking you ? They would be devastatingly effective. That kind of manipulation is known as black psychology.

There's a middle ground for your Longview problem dude.

Let's say you're going to climb a mountain. Your longterm plan is to climb the mountain right? No matter what you know what direction youre headed even if you don't know exactly how you're going to do it. So it is with keeping a long game. You just keep plodding towards the goal until a plan creates itself out of your circumstances.

The only way your plan to climb truly stops is if you turn around and come back down. Otherwise your plan is just stalled.

Or you can be that weirdo who stopped halfway up and now lives on the side of the mountain and won't go up or down out of indecision 1dunno1

But indecision is a completely different problem than not planning ahead
 Quoting: Merit


I Googled Black Psychology and found a lot of African American psychologists. But the words "Dark Psychology" gave me what you were talking about.
 Quoting: NowIhavetothinkofaname 76315915


Semantics in nomenclature 1dunno1

You get the gist though


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For some, finding knowledge is a drive more powerful than the pursuit of power or money.

Curiosity compels.

To be handed knowledge misses the point, because it is only in the process of discovery, with all its sidetracks and missteps and distractions, that truth may be found in all its dimensions.

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If the Devil is in the details then God is in the process.


The traditional Muses, daughters of Zeus and Mnemosyne, thunder and memory - you would assume this lightening finds the highest point.

Deities act according to their nature.
And so it is certain that the lightening fires unabated regardless of the worthiness of men.

So inspiration may not be determined by value but rather -
Who is willing to stand in a storm?
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There's billions of ppl down here. One either has to be extremely lucky or very industrious in how they mske themselves stand out in a crowd of billions where everyone is jumping up and down and waving their arms to be noticed at the same time.

I like your anology of lightening striking the highest point.

You could look at it as making yourself more accessible by climbing high up in a storm by yourself or doing something else foolish or dangerous to increase your visibility. (That is very similar to the path of the fool)
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Or to be light as a feather...
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For some, finding knowledge is a drive more powerful than the pursuit of power or money.

Curiosity compels.

To be handed knowledge misses the point, because it is only in the process of discovery, with all its sidetracks and missteps and distractions, that truth may be found in all its dimensions.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77519724


If the Devil is in the details then God is in the process.


The traditional Muses, daughters of Zeus and Mnemosyne, thunder and memory - you would assume this lightening finds the highest point.

Deities act according to their nature.
And so it is certain that the lightening fires unabated regardless of the worthiness of men.

So inspiration may not be determined by value but rather -
Who is willing to stand in a storm?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77519724


There's billions of ppl down here. One either has to be extremely lucky or very industrious in how they mske themselves stand out in a crowd of billions where everyone is jumping up and down and waving their arms to be noticed at the same time.

I like your anology of lightening striking the highest point.

You could look at it as making yourself more accessible by climbing high up in a storm by yourself or doing something else foolish or dangerous to increase your visibility. (That is very similar to the path of the fool)
 Quoting: Merit

Or to be light as a feather...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77519724


That means different things to different ppl too. When I think of light as a feather I see someone not affected by the chaos around them. Everyone running and fighting and screaming with one person happily strolling and floating through the chaos untouched. Their demeanor light as a feather.

Which would make you stand out considerably obviously.

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For some, finding knowledge is a drive more powerful than the pursuit of power or money.

Curiosity compels.

To be handed knowledge misses the point, because it is only in the process of discovery, with all its sidetracks and missteps and distractions, that truth may be found in all its dimensions.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77519724


If the Devil is in the details then God is in the process.


The traditional Muses, daughters of Zeus and Mnemosyne, thunder and memory - you would assume this lightening finds the highest point.

Deities act according to their nature.
And so it is certain that the lightening fires unabated regardless of the worthiness of men.

So inspiration may not be determined by value but rather -
Who is willing to stand in a storm?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77519724


There's billions of ppl down here. One either has to be extremely lucky or very industrious in how they mske themselves stand out in a crowd of billions where everyone is jumping up and down and waving their arms to be noticed at the same time.

I like your anology of lightening striking the highest point.

You could look at it as making yourself more accessible by climbing high up in a storm by yourself or doing something else foolish or dangerous to increase your visibility. (That is very similar to the path of the fool)
 Quoting: Merit

Or to be light as a feather...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77519724


That means different things to different ppl too. When I think of light as a feather I see someone not affected by the chaos around them. Everyone running and fighting and screaming with one person happily strolling and floating through the chaos untouched. Their demeanor light as a feather.

Which would make you stand out considerably obviously.
 Quoting: Merit


Yes - but also to be caught in astonished laughter lifts one up (since you spoke of fools, and the day itself).

It's all feels very much like when you see the joke.
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For some, finding knowledge is a drive more powerful than the pursuit of power or money.

Curiosity compels.

To be handed knowledge misses the point, because it is only in the process of discovery, with all its sidetracks and missteps and distractions, that truth may be found in all its dimensions.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77519724


If the Devil is in the details then God is in the process.


The traditional Muses, daughters of Zeus and Mnemosyne, thunder and memory - you would assume this lightening finds the highest point.

Deities act according to their nature.
And so it is certain that the lightening fires unabated regardless of the worthiness of men.

So inspiration may not be determined by value but rather -
Who is willing to stand in a storm?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77519724


There's billions of ppl down here. One either has to be extremely lucky or very industrious in how they mske themselves stand out in a crowd of billions where everyone is jumping up and down and waving their arms to be noticed at the same time.

I like your anology of lightening striking the highest point.

You could look at it as making yourself more accessible by climbing high up in a storm by yourself or doing something else foolish or dangerous to increase your visibility. (That is very similar to the path of the fool)
 Quoting: Merit

Or to be light as a feather...
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That means different things to different ppl too. When I think of light as a feather I see someone not affected by the chaos around them. Everyone running and fighting and screaming with one person happily strolling and floating through the chaos untouched. Their demeanor light as a feather.

Which would make you stand out considerably obviously.
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Any energy source will pick the path of least resistance to get from point A to B. And sometimes that path or conduit is a rusty old something we tossed out in the boneyard not knowing the value of it being used in a different capacity. Nonetheless this is how energy works, and very much provable as well.

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There's billions of ppl down here. One either has to be extremely lucky or very industrious in how they mske themselves stand out in a crowd of billions where everyone is jumping up and down and waving their arms to be noticed at the same time.

I like your anology of lightening striking the highest point.

You could look at it as making yourself more accessible by climbing high up in a storm by yourself or doing something else foolish or dangerous to increase your visibility. (That is very similar to the path of the fool)
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Or to be light as a feather...
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That means different things to different ppl too. When I think of light as a feather I see someone not affected by the chaos around them. Everyone running and fighting and screaming with one person happily strolling and floating through the chaos untouched. Their demeanor light as a feather.

Which would make you stand out considerably obviously.
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Yes - but also to be caught in astonished laughter lifts one up (since you spoke of fools, and the day itself).

It's all feels very much like when you see the joke.
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You're talking about something being raised to the level of righteousness through laughter? Often something terrible on the surface.

If so yes that particular inside joke definitely qualifies as light as a feather too.

I've seen that joke turn wickedly on the one doing the laughing before tho.


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That means different things to different ppl too. When I think of light as a feather I see someone not affected by the chaos around them. Everyone running and fighting and screaming with one person happily strolling and floating through the chaos untouched. Their demeanor light as a feather.

Which would make you stand out considerably obviously.
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Sounds familiar, honey. chuckle
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Which would make you stand out considerably obviously.
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Sounds familiar, honey. chuckle
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Or to be light as a feather...
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That means different things to different ppl too. When I think of light as a feather I see someone not affected by the chaos around them. Everyone running and fighting and screaming with one person happily strolling and floating through the chaos untouched. Their demeanor light as a feather.

Which would make you stand out considerably obviously.
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Yes - but also to be caught in astonished laughter lifts one up (since you spoke of fools, and the day itself).

It's all feels very much like when you see the joke.
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You're talking about something being raised to the level of righteousness through laughter? Often something terrible on the surface.

If so yes that particular inside joke definitely qualifies as light as a feather too.

I've seen that joke turn wickedly on the one doing the laughing before tho.
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Yes - it can be a vulnerability to see, and be seen.
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High magic isnt for everyone and as you point out where is the proof it works? Its just another faith based exercise on it's surface. No different than a catholic ceremony with all its incense and chanting and kneeling. The general idea being that if it's done correctly and earnestly then it makes you standout and grants you a more personal audience with your deity.



Do you believe that high magic is real then, Merit?

I know you have referred to your magic or energy gifts in the past, so what would you call them? Or are they just a pragmatic distillation of all that works from the different paradigms, taught to people in your family and others? I suspect you did not have to go through years of Mystery School initiations and exercises to get your skills.
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High magic isnt for everyone and as you point out where is the proof it works? Its just another faith based exercise on it's surface. No different than a catholic ceremony with all its incense and chanting and kneeling. The general idea being that if it's done correctly and earnestly then it makes you standout and grants you a more personal audience with your deity.



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Do you believe that high magic is real then, Merit?

I know you have referred to your magic or energy gifts in the past, so what would you call them? Or are they just a pragmatic distillation of all that works from the different paradigms, taught to people in your family and others? I suspect you did not have to go through years of Mystery School initiations and exercises to get your skills.
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I was doing so well just acting like some guy on the internet pretending to be smart too... shakefist

I said earlier it was a version of nature vs nurture. My family believes in not picking one or the other but in nurturing nature.

Identifying natural acclamations and helping them grow. No matter what they may be. With all resources available.

My life is my mystery school. That is what I was taught. Initiation happens regardless of what organization one is associated with, or not associated with, if someone is on the path.

Being in an organization gives one an educated audience that can identify, and help protect you when, things that are happening to you are part of your initiations on the path. That can have it's advantages, but it also makes you vulnerable to the organization. You have to trust them not to take advantage of you in those trying times.

I was taught to seek out individual adepts, not to subscribe to one hierarchy.

Do i believe in high magic? Sure. I believe some ppl could not have accomplished the things they did without it.

I do not see any gift I have as any different than being able to naturally play a piano or draw/paint well. A blessing meant to be used, but not a sign of power of higher or lower magic.

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High magic isnt for everyone and as you point out where is the proof it works? Its just another faith based exercise on it's surface. No different than a catholic ceremony with all its incense and chanting and kneeling. The general idea being that if it's done correctly and earnestly then it makes you standout and grants you a more personal audience with your deity.

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Do you believe that high magic is real then, Merit?

I know you have referred to your magic or energy gifts in the past, so what would you call them? Or are they just a pragmatic distillation of all that works from the different paradigms, taught to people in your family and others? I suspect you did not have to go through years of Mystery School initiations and exercises to get your skills.
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I was doing so well just acting like some guy on the internet pretending to be smart too... shakefist

I said earlier it was a version of nature vs nurture. My family believes in not picking one or the other but in nurturing nature.

Identifying natural acclamations and helping them grow. No matter what they may be. With all resources available.

My life is my mystery school. That is what I was taught. Initiation happens regardless of what organization one is associated with, or not associated with, if someone is on the path.

Being in an organization gives one an educated audience that can identify, and help protect you when, things that are happening to you are part of your initiations on the path. That can have it's advantages, but it also makes you vulnerable to the organization. You have to trust them not to take advantage of you in those trying times.

I was taught to seek out individual adepts, not to subscribe to one hierarchy.

Do i believe in high magic? Sure. I believe some ppl could not have accomplished the things they did without it.

I do not see any gift I have as any different than being able to naturally play a piano or draw/paint well. A blessing meant to be used, but not a sign of power of higher or lower magic.




I just want to say, I hope people appreciate the gold that Merit gives us (for nothing).

Thanks, Merit.

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What begins in tempered expectation
What then proceeds through planning and review
Launched to far horizons can't be measured
Its passage both mysterious and true
Suspended in a net of complication
As time proceeds inaction takes its hold
Change devolves to stillness and the treasured
Reverses will into the uncontrolled
Nature builds upon a sure foundation
Growth must proceed as nature shapes within
Nurturing one half of an equation
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Empress, World, Hanged Man

What is given freely out of nature
In origin persists throughout all time
Shadow but defines an edge and color
As repetition makes a pattern rhyme
Stillness moves within consideration
To shift a sequence does not change a goal
What will not be moved is inspiration
To push against and spring into the whole
Gather all the elements of reason
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Gather all the aspects of the season
What may be seen and what must always hide
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I've never understood high magic, I don't think I wanted to because I never saw the value in it other than training or preparing one's own mental prowess.

I understand low magic and the power it conveys because I have an good grasp of causality. If only people would understand how fearsome some low magicians are when combined with knowledge, money and power.

My biggest failing is not being able to plan to play the long game. I was always taught to not plan too far ahead so my plans would be more adaptable when circumstances changed.

For instance I was taught to think three moves ahead in Chess, but no more because of the shifting sands and over commitment to a plan can bring about one's undoing.

For instance one can plan for for an retirement of ease, but have a heart attack next week wiping out the American's retirement fund...

The reason for this long boring post is; most people who look behind the curtain see low magicians working their craft. But the esoteric things remain mysterious to them because they can't see the workings of high magic or its effects. Thus making low magic more common.

I guess a lower level of high magic would be like going to church, making friends and feeling happy that the deity loves you. So you drink in moderation and avoid liver cirrhosis later in life...
Or you volunteer at a soup kitchen and make a difference in a homeless person's life to feel good about yourself. That way you stop worrying about any problems you may have and focus on solving other people's problems for a stress free night.

:blah: I think I'm locked into finding causality where there isn't any.

I'm hopeless! :D
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High magic isnt for everyone and as you point out where is the proof it works? Its just another faith based exercise on it's surface. No different than a catholic ceremony with all its incense and chanting and kneeling. The general idea being that if it's done correctly and earnestly then it makes you standout and grants you a more personal audience with your deity.

Yes ppl underestimate lower magic, mans magic, and all its nuisances. Most of us know who Chris Angel is and have seen his videos of various kinds of mentalism, slight of hand and misdirection. Even knowing who he is and that he is tricking you he still can do it in impressive fashion. Imagine dealing with someone with his skill who never admits he is performing magic tricks on you or needs their ego to take credit for tricking you ? They would be devastatingly effective. That kind of manipulation is known as black psychology.

There's a middle ground for your Longview problem dude.

Let's say you're going to climb a mountain. Your longterm plan is to climb the mountain right? No matter what you know what direction youre headed even if you don't know exactly how you're going to do it. So it is with keeping a long game. You just keep plodding towards the goal until a plan creates itself out of your circumstances.

The only way your plan to climb truly stops is if you turn around and come back down. Otherwise your plan is just stalled.

Or you can be that weirdo who stopped halfway up and now lives on the side of the mountain and won't go up or down out of indecision 1dunno1

But indecision is a completely different problem than not planning ahead
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Thanks a bunch dood! You've helped me a lot and it's not just me who owes you a debt of gratitude.

There's dozens of lurkers who aren't chatty and your usual pets. Who would no doubt begrudgingly admit you've helped them if only they would get over their issues and take the time to listen to you or at least stop ranting! :D

You've saved me a lot of time by convincing me not to look into high magic. If I can't see the causality I'll never really get it.

As for low magic, as I understand it. It's more than just psychology and mind games, or even magician tricks although that is certainly part of it. I know some people with access to tools at their disposal which offers them the capacity to use the force of the state as their own power. That right there is some seriously scary stuff, which makes me wary of people using low magic because of the level of force some people possess. But I will Google Black Psychology! :D

And again you're right about developing goals and working towards them by using mountain climbing as an example. I guess I've been heavily conditioned to value adaptability over long term thinking.

For instance I may make climbing a mountain a goal and save up for it. But those sort of goals seem so distant as to be dreams as opposed to immediate objectives.

I do have a goal of one day owning a unit in regional Australia, because regional cities have amenities and are much cheaper than the capitals. First I go bankrupt and use the cost of living minimalization to save up a deposit and slowly pay off the unit. I have $400 in Ripple and who knows where that will go!

But I've started saving money and moving to a regional city that offers cheap rent is a start to building up that deposit. But it seems like an intangible dream and not something that will come to fruition any time soon so I don't focus on it.

Besides even if I do buy that unit, there's no guarantee I wont die from heart disease sometime over the next 10 years...

I think I was taught the adaptability because we're not guaranteed another day on Earth let alone 20 years to pay off a unit. There's so many different ways to die, from heart attacks to cancer to accidents to governments failing to civil war!

All we can do is hope for the best and plan for the worst.
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Yeah low magic confuses ppl because of how its labeled.

You could also define it as high magic being power you are requesting from a deity. (From on high)

And low magic as powers you already possess naturally and/or intuition. That could include really powerful things like all the classic supernatural gifts. Psychic, premonition, mind speak, hypnosis, clairvoyance, clairaudience etcetera etcetera...

And it's kind of funny because often thats why ppl do high magic, to try and gain those kinds of gifts.

It's the old nature vs nurture argument.

Even the term black psychology is misleading. Black does not refer to evil, it replies to being hidden and unseen. It's in the dark when used. So "black".
How you use it decides if it's good,bad or evil.

It's all a completely different way of thinking and seeing reality.

It's a specific kind of paradigm shift.
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:Mind blown:

I thought low magic implied a capacity for human magic as in a understanding of logic/psychology and an application of various forms of force either at a low violent level or systemic level of force.

I'll explain my reasoning...

I know some former intelligence operatives and their access to currently serving members grants them a level of systemic force not found anywhere else. By understanding the system and its capabilities I know what these people are capable of.

A millionaire uses druggies,
someone worth 5 million hires a hitman and
someone worth 100 million hires an intelligence asset... Sort of thing...

With low magic being able to do things like pattern cognition and psychology to assume a level of psychic ability. With Masons using low magic like their contacts to stack scenarios. For instance like the Mason's children before the court with judges they golf with sort of thing, like you explained in an earlier post.

In a way with low magic you can see causality and how it works if you peek behind the curtain or someone shows you.

However depending on the low magic being used it can be as devastating as being destroyed by the deity in what it can do to a person's life...

As for the dark magic you mentioned, I assumed it was not just hidden but actually similar to a form of mind control because of an audio book which promised such things as total domination of the darker aspects of psychology.

For instance using mental images to traumatize people to compel them into things they wouldn't otherwise do. Or building a false sense of rapport with someone based on sublimilal suggestion of familiarity. Or even decimating someone's sense of self esteem to better manipulate them are just some aspects of what I expected dark psychology to be based on what this audio book promised.

I don't actually plan to use the audio book to wreck people's lives, but there's a junkie who threatened me and it would be useful to convince said junkie to leave the trailer park without resorting to imprisoning them for the rest of their life...
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High magic isnt for everyone and as you point out where is the proof it works? Its just another faith based exercise on it's surface. No different than a catholic ceremony with all its incense and chanting and kneeling. The general idea being that if it's done correctly and earnestly then it makes you standout and grants you a more personal audience with your deity.

Yes ppl underestimate lower magic, mans magic, and all its nuisances. Most of us know who Chris Angel is and have seen his videos of various kinds of mentalism, slight of hand and misdirection. Even knowing who he is and that he is tricking you he still can do it in impressive fashion. Imagine dealing with someone with his skill who never admits he is performing magic tricks on you or needs their ego to take credit for tricking you ? They would be devastatingly effective. That kind of manipulation is known as black psychology.

There's a middle ground for your Longview problem dude.

Let's say you're going to climb a mountain. Your longterm plan is to climb the mountain right? No matter what you know what direction youre headed even if you don't know exactly how you're going to do it. So it is with keeping a long game. You just keep plodding towards the goal until a plan creates itself out of your circumstances.

The only way your plan to climb truly stops is if you turn around and come back down. Otherwise your plan is just stalled.

Or you can be that weirdo who stopped halfway up and now lives on the side of the mountain and won't go up or down out of indecision 1dunno1

But indecision is a completely different problem than not planning ahead
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Thanks a bunch dood! You've helped me a lot and it's not just me who owes you a debt of gratitude.

There's dozens of lurkers who aren't chatty and your usual pets. Who would no doubt begrudgingly admit you've helped them if only they would get over their issues and take the time to listen to you or at least stop ranting! :D

You've saved me a lot of time by convincing me not to look into high magic. If I can't see the causality I'll never really get it.

As for low magic, as I understand it. It's more than just psychology and mind games, or even magician tricks although that is certainly part of it. I know some people with access to tools at their disposal which offers them the capacity to use the force of the state as their own power. That right there is some seriously scary stuff, which makes me wary of people using low magic because of the level of force some people possess. But I will Google Black Psychology! :D

And again you're right about developing goals and working towards them by using mountain climbing as an example. I guess I've been heavily conditioned to value adaptability over long term thinking.

For instance I may make climbing a mountain a goal and save up for it. But those sort of goals seem so distant as to be dreams as opposed to immediate objectives.

I do have a goal of one day owning a unit in regional Australia, because regional cities have amenities and are much cheaper than the capitals. First I go bankrupt and use the cost of living minimalization to save up a deposit and slowly pay off the unit. I have $400 in Ripple and who knows where that will go!

But I've started saving money and moving to a regional city that offers cheap rent is a start to building up that deposit. But it seems like an intangible dream and not something that will come to fruition any time soon so I don't focus on it.

Besides even if I do buy that unit, there's no guarantee I wont die from heart disease sometime over the next 10 years...

I think I was taught the adaptability because we're not guaranteed another day on Earth let alone 20 years to pay off a unit. There's so many different ways to die, from heart attacks to cancer to accidents to governments failing to civil war!

All we can do is hope for the best and plan for the worst.
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Yeah low magic confuses ppl because of how its labeled.

You could also define it as high magic being power you are requesting from a deity. (From on high)

And low magic as powers you already possess naturally and/or intuition. That could include really powerful things like all the classic supernatural gifts. Psychic, premonition, mind speak, hypnosis, clairvoyance, clairaudience etcetera etcetera...

And it's kind of funny because often thats why ppl do high magic, to try and gain those kinds of gifts.

It's the old nature vs nurture argument.

Even the term black psychology is misleading. Black does not refer to evil, it replies to being hidden and unseen. It's in the dark when used. So "black".
How you use it decides if it's good,bad or evil.

It's all a completely different way of thinking and seeing reality.

It's a specific kind of paradigm shift.
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:Mind blown:

I thought low magic implied a capacity for human magic as in a understanding of logic/psychology and an application of various forms of force either at a low violent level or systemic level of force.

I'll explain my reasoning...

I know some former intelligence operatives and their access to currently serving members grants them a level of systemic force not found anywhere else. By understanding the system and its capabilities I know what these people are capable of.

A millionaire uses druggies,
someone worth 5 million hires a hitman and
someone worth 100 million hires an intelligence asset... Sort of thing...

With low magic being able to do things like pattern cognition and psychology to assume a level of psychic ability. With Masons using low magic like their contacts to stack scenarios. For instance like the Mason's children before the court with judges they golf with sort of thing, like you explained in an earlier post.

In a way with low magic you can see causality and how it works if you peek behind the curtain or someone shows you.

However depending on the low magic being used it can be as devastating as being destroyed by the deity in what it can do to a person's life...

As for the dark magic you mentioned, I assumed it was not just hidden but actually similar to a form of mind control because of an audio book which promised such things as total domination of the darker aspects of psychology.

For instance using mental images to traumatize people to compel them into things they wouldn't otherwise do. Or building a false sense of rapport with someone based on sublimilal suggestion of familiarity. Or even decimating someone's sense of self esteem to better manipulate them are just some aspects of what I expected dark psychology to be based on what this audio book promised.

I don't actually plan to use the audio book to wreck people's lives, but there's a junkie who threatened me and it would be useful to convince said junkie to leave the trailer park without resorting to imprisoning them for the rest of their life...
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It makes sense you're a little confused.
There's a war within a war as old as humanity.

Those with natural gifts they didn't need to appeal to a higher power to attain and those who have no natural extrasensory abilities and used high magic to get them.
Which means it's not their power but on loan from the entity they worship or made a deal with.

Lets use the word witch just to streamline the conversation.


To a natural witch a glamour or reading someone's mind is low magic because it's their natural inborn ability that did it. They did not need to appeal to a higher power. So its no different than using psychology or slight of hand to them. It's just something they can do on their own.

To someone without natural extrasensory gifts (an unnatural witch) that had to attain them by appealing to or making a deal with a higher power the same abilities are high magic. Because it's not something they can do naturally by themselves.



You get it? It's two different worlds for naturals and unnaturrals and there is the worst kind of jealousy and hate between some sects of these two groups.

The unnaturals have to sacrifice something for their gifts. The naturals do not.

So much of the more evil intentioned high magic throughout history is unnatural witches trying to attain the power to take on or be equal to a natural witch.


Then of course a natural witch will turn around and do high magic to supercharge their natural ability to get one up on the unnatural witch using high magic. You can see the vicious circle of behavior this can create. The gods playing humans like a piano.


As far as using darkness for good? That's not a weird as it sounds on the surface. Here's a simple story that can be applied to it:

You have a 2 yr old child who escapes the house and runs into traffic constantly. They just can not grasp the very real life threatening danger they are in. They are too young to either grasp the concept or have it explained to them why they can't do this. They do it anywhere there is moving cars. They just run out in front of them like it's a game.

What to do?

You spank them hard to Physically hurt them.

They will not understand why you do this and will be very hurt by it. But they will learn a very simple concept They can understand that saves their life. That concept is:

Everytime i go out in the street I get hit and it hurts a lot. I like not being in pain even more than I like playing with moving cars. So I'm not going to play with cars in the street anymore.



You just used pain and fear to save a child's life. They don't even understand why you are hitting them. They just know it happens when they play with moving cars so stop doing it.

Thats black psychology.

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You can, but at detriment to yourself in the environment, you're invading.

Best to hang around the edges and let the environment show you how you fit into it.

The world is a stage and all..
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Nurturing nature.


Easiest way to live is on the edges of the patterns. I've learned life thrives there..

Can't change what's already established.

You can, but at detriment to yourself in the environment, you're invading.

Best to hang around the edges and let the environment show you how you fit into it.

The world is a stage and all..
 Quoting: Huginn


Yes the world is a stage, but we can't all play the same character or there's no plot line 1dunno1
 Quoting: Merit


Agreed, each their own circle/track

We stack, then become the seed to the flower and so on... No doubts

-enjoyed your explanation of those using gifts vs high magic. The proof is in how our environments respond. Nature gets everything done, and tight on time. Anything else, you'll see the chaos of control seeping in, as the cycles are twisted to justify the ends by whatever means..







GLP