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Aye I wish you luck and better you than me old lassy!

Happy birthday and may the road rise up to meet you lovey.

Never. She's fun and a challenge! And may the wind be at your back. Beannacht. Get over yourself, you are my bro. Thanks though. Give he my heart felt respect.

You have a brilliant mind Merit.



You resist, but be a part of the greater good. Whenever possible.

Merit? It's my Birthday, and I am ooooooooold. Night Sunshine. Beekeeping in the morning. Wish me luck, 'cause I've got three angry hives. They'd ate ya!

Serfdom is an antiquidated idea. At least in much of the modern world. Your lowest in America is above serfdom.


There's multiple ways to explain the factions because it's all interpretations of an infinite concept being explained by a finite mind. So there is definitely an aspect of doing what works for you. Understand?

When you define something you are giving it borders. You are saying this is what it is and this is was it is not. This subject can't be limited that way. It's not it's nature.

But, I'll tell you how i was taught and go from there. Just keep in mind that it has fuzzy borders. There are 3 theories of the universe.



This one holds itself apart from the other two.... Think of the word aloof.


-The neutral school:

The neutral school considers, with complete scientific and philosophical detachment, the fact of the Universe as a fact. Being itself apart of that Universe, it realizes its impotence to alter the outcome in the smallest degree.

So it feels neither hatred or sympathy for the world or reality. The only way it sees to intelligently affect change is do so by decreasing friction both in themselves and in the world. To let things happen as they must and to be at peace with it.

The idea is to be pliable. Able to bend with and evolve to all scenarios and there be a correct answer to balance a problem. Because of this cold detached calculated attitude it is similar to the philosophy of Pythagoras and his math.


-The school of the left:

This school does not see the universe and reality as neutral but as a curse. This is very much like eastern mystic schools of thought.


All life is pain. All pain is caused by desire. So the goal is to achieve nothingness so you be released from the pain of existence.

Think Buddhism. You clear your mind of all thoughts and feelings and strive to achieve nothingness. To reach Nirvana. Which is the state of total nothingness. The destruction of ones existence is their heaven.

You will find examples of this school in Buddhism the Vedas and Upanishads but also in the darker sects of Christianity where basically every human thought and emotion is a sin that there is no escape from.
There is much of this is in a pure form in Schopenhauer if you prefer that over religion or esoteric reading.

-The school of the right:

This is the old alchemy of turning lead into gold. That is the idea that evil can be faced and beaten through force of will and/or a "magical ceremony". Like say how the crucifixion defeated man's sin. This is the manliest of the three schools.

The idea of searching out and facing down the worst evils just so they can be conquered or you be conquered if you fail.

There's not a whole lot of pure examples of this school. The ancient Egyptian religion, some forms of Paganism and early Judaism, Chaldea...and some aspects of Theurgy. Even the shallow idea of Christianity where good overcomes evil. But sin does not fit.

This can be misunderstood as white magic but that is misleading. The practioners of this often pollute themselves by searching out the darkest things in existence and being changed by it in the process. Then trying to battle their way free of it.

Meaning you will do some dark shit along your journey either by being influenced or just to survive.

I don't want ppl to think I'm here to tell ppl what's the right and wrong way to do things. That's not what im interested in at all.

The idea of my beliefs is to study the paths while being on it and discovering and to help create ever more new ways to successfully traverse them, and fail them.

So original new ideas are great. So are old and trusted paths.

Because no two ppl's paths are the same no matter which method that is used and reality is expanded every time someone experiences something new on it.

Being illuminated or having esoteric understandings deeper than the average tard is what the whole thing is about. It is not a club really, it is a level of understanding obtained after many (self) initiations showing you things (if you have eyes to see) that help you purify your thoughts and understandings of...concepts lets just say.

Illumination requires no club or group although those also exist.

Happiest of Birthdays to all!

Oh look the AC pretending to be important.

How original

No, I, you and many others are just lab rats.

You aren't part of any "illuminati", you're just one of many in reality show experiment. How do various personality types respond to this or that. How do they respond to losing all privacy?

Your "gifts"? If any, are given to you by them. If you are experiencing telepathy, it's synthetic. Mkultra type programs.

A lot of people are being tortured in these "programs". They like the attractive, narcissistic ones like you with big egos that don't ever look quite deep enough.

Great thread, Merit. Sounds like you have a lot of time for Rosicrucians? When you were being taught this stuff when you were young, which group did the teachings most belong to, or did it cover all angles?

I don't understand "you have a lot of time for Rosicrians?".

What I was taught was more like covering all angles. We were rarely told what was right and wrong. We were being taught how to think. How to process ideas. Not what the right and wrong answer were.

What did WE think was the right answer. Why did we think that? If we didn't know then the decision wasn't respected until we did know and could articulate it.

Also we were taught that 'i dont know' is a very intelligent answer.

So logic and reason and psychology of self was what was taught to us. What direction we chose to study was a purely personal decision.

We were taught that there were rules in life though and without them we're just like the animals. That has to do with common sense stuff like knowing and obeying the laws of wherever you may be.

Aww thank you sir, I feel awesome now

I don't understand "you have a lot of time for Rosicrians?".

What I was taught was more like covering all angles. We were rarely told what was right and wrong. We were being taught how to think. How to process ideas. Not what the right and wrong answer were.

What did WE think was the right answer. Why did we think that? If we didn't know then the decision wasn't respected until we did know and could articulate it.

Also we were taught that 'i dont know' is a very intelligent answer.

So logic and reason and psychology of self was what was taught to us. What direction we chose to study was a purely personal decision.

We were taught that there were rules in life though and without them we're just like the animals. That has to do with common sense stuff like knowing and obeying the laws of wherever you may be.

Op sounds like a low level perp, pushing meritocracy.

The alumbrados have no excuse for their treacheries.

He's defending those who deserve no defense, who deserve to fall by the wayside; upon their own swords.

Fucking criminals themselves.


Ban me

If I may piggy back, please..

The most evil phrase in Mandarin is jíqiè de jiêshì -to explain with urgency

Ie, fast talkers or circle talkers




-Learning to think, teaches someone to use causality in a world of black and white. Playing it forward, and switching your pov, stepping outside yourself to make the "best informed" decisions and choices..

Some of you "teacher types" (no offense, truly, you like to point the way, nothing wrong there) get a bad wrap because you don't spoon-feed the flock, as it were.

Truth is that's your humanity showing.

Some people wouldn't know of love, until it choked them to death in frustration lol.

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Silver linings and all

I guess it was my interpretation of the way you described Rosicrucians as using "high magic" whereas Freemasons use more worldly tactics - it made it sound like a more noble and higher method. Guess it was just my interpretation.

I know a few people who seem to be "activated" in a psychic way and have healing powers, who say all you need to do is meditate a lot to develop. I guess that is the Eastern way, as taught by Indian Gurus, and the left hand path that you describe. It seems incongruous that by doing that you can achieve similar results as the years of dedication and personal development exercises (all that black and white mirror stuff) it takes to get there using the western mysteries.

Are you familiar with Franz Barden's work? He seems to present a pretty good starter's guide in "Initiation Into Hermetics" - lots of development exercises to go through and perfect. Do you think it is of value?

Lets keep this thread going.

High magic and lower magic were not my proffered nomenclature. They're technical terms with exact definitions.

Higher magic refers to elaborate ceremonies with everything from alters and whole covens chanting with incense burning to offerings and sacrifices done in a very specific way dictated by occult science.

Lower magic is things like psychological tricks and glamours. Even actually magic tricks are considered lower magic. But if youve ever seen professional magicians acts you can imagine how impressive and devastating lower magic can be. Especially if being used against you in everyday settings without your knowledge or being told so at the end of the trick.

Eastern minds typically responded better to eastern lessons and likewise for Western minds and their schools of thought. That was then, this is now. With so many more resources available to anybody now it's all became hybrid theories of searches combining the best methods they can fund for them from multiple schools.

Franz Barden's an excellent resource if that is the direction you feel lead. His whole purpose was to create a Hermetic curriculum for ppl who did not have a personal teacher. I don't think anyone will deny he did a good job of that with his lessons and explanations.

For some, finding knowledge is a drive more powerful than the pursuit of power or money.

Curiosity compels.

To be handed knowledge misses the point, because it is only in the process of discovery, with all its sidetracks and missteps and distractions, that truth may be found in all its dimensions.

The traditional Muses, daughters of Zeus and Mnemosyne, thunder and memory - you would assume this lightening finds the highest point.

Deities act according to their nature.
And so it is certain that the lightening fires unabated regardless of the worthiness of men.

So inspiration may not be determined by value but rather -
Who is willing to stand in a storm?

I've never understood high magic, I don't think I wanted to because I never saw the value in it other than training or preparing one's own mental prowess.

I understand low magic and the power it conveys because I have an good grasp of causality. If only people would understand how fearsome some low magicians are when combined with knowledge, money and power.

My biggest failing is not being able to plan to play the long game. I was always taught to not plan too far ahead so my plans would be more adaptable when circumstances changed.

For instance I was taught to think three moves ahead in Chess, but no more because of the shifting sands and over commitment to a plan can bring about one's undoing.

For instance one can plan for for an retirement of ease, but have a heart attack next week wiping out the American's retirement fund...

The reason for this long boring post is; most people who look behind the curtain see low magicians working their craft. But the esoteric things remain mysterious to them because they can't see the workings of high magic or its effects. Thus making low magic more common.

I guess a lower level of high magic would be like going to church, making friends and feeling happy that the deity loves you. So you drink in moderation and avoid liver cirrhosis later in life...
Or you volunteer at a soup kitchen and make a difference in a homeless person's life to feel good about yourself. That way you stop worrying about any problems you may have and focus on solving other people's problems for a stress free night.

I think I'm locked into finding causality where there isn't any.

I'm hopeless! :D