So much deception. I do not believe Christians CHOOSE to go to war. Christians would not CHOOSE to join the army if they were obedient to God.

When war COMES TO the Christian, I do not know what they would do but if the war is not with the Christian, they would not CHOOSE to join the war. Remember, if we offer our body to be burned and have not love, it profit us nothing.

Isaac you are correct. The fleshly Christian will argue, but you are the one who is right.

James 4:1-3 King James Version (KJV)
4 From whence come wars and fightings among you? come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members?

2 Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not.

3 Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts.

Many of us have not gotten rid of our savage instincts.



Ecclesiastes 3:18 World English Bible (WEB)
18 I said in my heart, “As for the sons of men, God tests them, so that they may see that they themselves are like animals.

sounds so violent

Thread: UK denies asylum for Christian convert because they claim Christianity is too violent

The thread writer is talking about dead Christians who were not capable to defending themselves.

Persecution.

A true born again Christian does not fear the death of the flesh nor do we wrestle against it. Our weapons are not of this natural world, but are holy in nature. We wear Gods armor and fight with the sword of the Spirit...Gods word. If the hordes come against us we pray against the unclean\evil spirits manipulating those host bodies, instead of picking up a gun and waging war on the flesh. A Christian clawing to maintain this host body is like a prisoner who does not want to be released...It makes no sense. Neither does killing a bunch of people in a war. I highly doubt you can shot and kill your way into Heaven....LOVE your enemies even unto death.

If they were obediet to God, they would not join the Army. They sould join the Marines.

Romans 12:19
Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.


Ephesians 4:31
Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:


Revelation 13:7
It was given to him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them.



Matthew 26:52
Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.

I was waiting for something like this.

Revelation 12:11
And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

Acts 7:58-60 King James Version (KJV)
58 And cast him out of the city, and stoned him: and the witnesses laid down their clothes at a young man's feet, whose name was Saul.

59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.

60 And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep.

This is my theory as well. Weapons, holy in nature.

"Ye bullsh*t, because all ye have is bullsh*t. Thou shamelessly cover thee thy wretched bagyna with words and hideth thee thy Yellow in a verse. Thou layeth down for the heathen and to the demon thou sayeth "is it peace?" and like jezebel, thou will find the pavement when thy servants behold david and chuck thee out..."

See? Anybody can do it?

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Revelation 17:6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

Those obediant to god would have to side with the jewish people due to they are the chosen race and if you want to be saved then you must serve them.

Atleast thats how the manipulation will be pulled by the zionists.

If you have faith and add works to that faith I guarantee God will prove he exists to you but alas, you seem to not have faith.

God chose to go to war, God chose men to go to war. God instructed armies and they did not win unless God was with them prior to the battle. God defended the faith and His people. There is much history in the Old Testament that shows us God is a man of war. God is the same yesterday as He is today and tomorrow.

WAR - Smith's Bible Dictionary

1. "Men of war" = privates;

2. "servants," the lowest rank of officers — lieutenants;

3. "princes" = captains;

4. "captains," perhaps = staff officers;

5. "rulers of the chariots and his horsemen" = cavalry officers.



Exodus 15:3

3 The Lord is a man of war: the Lord is his name.

Judges 20:35

35 And the Lord smote Benjamin before Israel: and the children of Israel destroyed of the Benjamites that day twenty and five thousand and an hundred men: all these drew the sword.

1 Samuel 6:15

19 And he smote the men of Beth-shemesh, because they had looked into the ark of the Lord, even he smote of the people fifty thousand and threescore and ten men: and the people lamented, because the Lord had smitten many of the people with a great slaughter.

1 Kings 9:22

22 But of the children of Israel did Solomon make no bondmen: but they were men of war, and his servants, and his princes, and his captains, and rulers of his chariots, and his horsemen.

2 Samuel 1:23-27

23 Saul and Jonathan were lovely and pleasant in their lives, and in their death they were not divided: they were swifter than eagles, they were stronger than lions.

24 Ye daughters of Israel, weep over Saul, who clothed you in scarlet, with other delights, who put on ornaments of gold upon your apparel.

25 How are the mighty fallen in the midst of the battle! O Jonathan, thou was slain in thine high places.

26 I am distressed for thee, my brother Jonathan: very pleasant hast thou been unto me: thy love to me was wonderful, passing the love of women.

27 How are the mighty fallen, and the weapons of war perished!


Judges 7:19-25

19 So Gideon, and the hundred men that were with him, came unto the outside of the camp in the beginning of the middle watch; and they had but newly set the watch: and they blew the trumpets, and brake the pitchers that were in their hands.

20 And the three companies blew the trumpets, and brake the pitchers, and held the lamps in their left hands, and the trumpets in their right hands to blow withal: and they cried, The sword of the Lord, and of Gideon.

21 And they stood every man in his place round about the camp: and all the host ran, and cried, and fled.

22 And the three hundred blew the trumpets, and the Lord set every man's sword against his fellow, even throughout all the host: and the host fled to Beth-shittah in Zererath, and to the border of Abel-meholah, unto Tabbath.

23 And the men of Israel gathered themselves together out of Naphtali, and out of Asher, and out of all Manasseh, and pursued after the Midianites.

24 And Gideon sent messengers throughout all mount Ephraim, saying, Come down against the Midianites, and take before them the waters unto Beth-barah and Jordan. Then all the men of Ephraim gathered themselves together, and took the waters unto Beth-barah and Jordan.

25 And they took two princes of the Midianites, Oreb and Zeeb; and they slew Oreb upon the rock Oreb, and Zeeb they slew at the winepress of Zeeb, and pursued Midian, and brought the heads of Oreb and Zeeb to Gideon on the other side Jordan.
KJV

Mic 4:13

5 Now gather thyself in troops, O daughter of troops: he hath laid siege against us: they shall smite the judge of Israel with a rod upon the cheek.

2 Kings 19:32-34

32 Therefore thus saith the Lord concerning the king of Assyria, He shall not come into this city, nor shoot an arrow there, nor come before it with shield, nor cast a bank against it.

33 By the way that he came, by the same shall he return, and shall not come into this city, saith the Lord.

34 For I will defend this city, to save it, for mine own sake, and for my servant David's sake.

Ezekiel 17:17-21

17 Neither shall Pharaoh with his mighty army and great company make for him in the war, by casting up mounts, and building forts, to cut off many persons:

18 Seeing he despised the oath by breaking the covenant, when, lo, he had given his hand, and hath done all these things, he shall not escape.

19 Therefore thus saith the Lord God; As I live, surely mine oath that he hath despised, and my covenant that he hath broken, even it will I recompense upon his own head.

20 And I will spread my net upon him, and he shall be taken in my snare, and I will bring him to Babylon, and will plead with him there for his trespass that he hath trespassed against me.

21 And all his fugitives with all his bands shall fall by the sword, and they that remain shall be scattered toward all winds: and ye shall know that I the Lord have spoken it.


2 Samuel 12:29-31

29 And David gathered all the people together, and went to Rabbah, and fought against it, and took it.

30 And he took their king's crown from off his head, the weight whereof was a talent of gold with the precious stones: and it was set on David's head. And he brought forth the spoil of the city in great abundance.

31 And he brought forth the people that were therein, and put them under saws, and under harrows of iron, and under axes of iron, and made them pass through the brickkiln: and thus did he unto all the cities of the children of Ammon. So David and all the people returned unto Jerusalem.


Numbers 31:26-29

26 Take the sum of the prey that was taken, both of man and of beast, thou, and Eleazar the priest, and the chief fathers of the congregation:

27 And divide the prey into two parts; between them that took the war upon them, who went out to battle, and between all the congregation:

28 And levy a tribute unto the Lord of the men of war which went out to battle: one soul of five hundred, both of the persons, and of the beeves, and of the asses, and of the sheep:

29 Take it of their half, and give it unto Eleazar the priest, for an heave offering of the Lord.

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The greatest among you is a servant to all.

God will return as a man of war as well but...


Hebrews 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.


Another thing, God chooses the war. The wars of mankind are different. Israel was commanded to wage war, you are not. Atleast with guns and carnal weapons.


Isaiah 34:2
For the indignation of the Lord is upon all nations, and his fury upon all their armies: he hath utterly destroyed them, he hath delivered them to the slaughter.

Wow! Great statement! This is a great way to think about it!
Thank you!

I heard it is not evil to fight evil.

Are not Christians supposed to be meek? Meek does not mean no use of force, it means use it only as a last resort where tolerance, patience, grace, and any other virtues you can think of, have failed.

To be honest, this is the weapon I believe Christians use. It's just many who think they are righteous in the sight of God are not. However, there is this,

Luke 9:54-56 King James Version (KJV)
54 And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did?

55 But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.

56 For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them. And they went to another village.




Matthew 26:53
Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?


Matthew 21:21
Jesus answered and said unto them, Verily I say unto you, If ye have faith, and doubt not, ye shall not only do this which is done to the fig tree, but also if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; it shall be done.


John 14:14
If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.


Acts 5:1-6
But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession, And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet. But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God. And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things. And the young men arose, wound him up, and carried him out, and buried him.


2 Corinthians 10:4-6
(For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;) Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ; And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.


James 5:16
The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.


Ephesians 6:17
And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

Won't let me post

John 18:36

what do we do if commies are advancing on us?

just roll over?

I don't know. Have faith, if God desires to save you he will. That is how I see things.


Daniel 3:25
He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.

Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

Ephesians 6:10-11 KJV

Try reading the Old Testament. God loved and blessed the warriors of old. Jashua, Samson, and king David were warriors. God said David was a man after his own heart. Also when the centurion asked Jesus what he should do to be saved the lord didn’t say quit being a soldier did he!?
He said, he happy with your pay and don’t abuse your power.
I don’t get the pacifist Christian mentality. God hates a coward.