How can anyone love a god that will condemn loved ones to eternal damnation?

I quite the christian fundamentalist church many years ago for many reasons, not the least of which is my finding that catholocism is the root of all denomentations of chrisitanity and they invented hell in order to control the masses through fear. Can anyone here give me a good answer to the question I have posed based on logic and reason and not brainwashed emotionalism propagated by the church establishment? Could you really love with all your heart and all your might a god that would condemn your mother, daughter, son, brother...etc. to eternity in hell fire? According to many threads here and many sermons I have heard there will be much less souls in heaven than will inhabit the other place... think about it.

I quite the christian fundamentalist church many years ago for many reasons, not the least of which is my finding that catholocism is the root of all denomentations of chrisitanity and they invented hell in order to control the masses through fear. Can anyone here give me a good answer to the question I have posed based on logic and reason and not brainwashed emotionalism propagated by the church establishment? Could you really love with all your heart and all your might a god that would condemn your mother, daughter, son, brother...etc. to eternity in hell fire? According to many threads here and many sermons I have heard there will be much less souls in heaven than will inhabit the other place... think about it.


Maybe you did them a favor, your spelling is atrocious!!

According to many threads here and many sermons I have heard there will be much less souls in heaven than will inhabit the other place... think about it

I quite the christian fundamentalist church many years ago for many reasons, not the least of which is my finding that catholocism is the root of all denomentations of chrisitanity and they invented hell in order to control the masses through fear. Can anyone here give me a good answer to the question I have posed based on logic and reason and not brainwashed emotionalism propagated by the church establishment? Could you really love with all your heart and all your might a god that would condemn your mother, daughter, son, brother...etc. to eternity in hell fire? According to many threads here and many sermons I have heard there will be much less souls in heaven than will inhabit the other place... think about it.


Maybe you did them a favor, your spelling is atrocious!!



So... spelling is the crtiteria of having a logical premise to discuss... interesting. Will spelling keep me from going to heaven? Is being a spelling policeman part of being a christian? Does your reply make you feel good. My spelling may be atrocious but your manners are obnoxious.

I quite the christian fundamentalist church many years ago for many reasons, not the least of which is my finding that catholocism is the root of all denomentations of chrisitanity and they invented hell in order to control the masses through fear. Can anyone here give me a good answer to the question I have posed based on logic and reason and not brainwashed emotionalism propagated by the church establishment? Could you really love with all your heart and all your might a god that would condemn your mother, daughter, son, brother...etc. to eternity in hell fire? According to many threads here and many sermons I have heard there will be much less souls in heaven than will inhabit the other place... think about it.


Maybe you did them a favor, your spelling is atrocious!!



So... spelling is the crtiteria of having a logical premise to discuss... interesting. Will spelling keep me from going to heaven? Is being a spelling policeman part of being a christian? Does your reply make you feel good. My spelling may be atrocious but your manners are obnoxious.


Yes, no, sorta, yes, your opinion.

I quite the christian fundamentalist church many years ago for many reasons, not the least of which is my finding that catholocism is the root of all denomentations of chrisitanity and they invented hell in order to control the masses through fear. Can anyone here give me a good answer to the question I have posed based on logic and reason and not brainwashed emotionalism propagated by the church establishment? Could you really love with all your heart and all your might a god that would condemn your mother, daughter, son, brother...etc. to eternity in hell fire? According to many threads here and many sermons I have heard there will be much less souls in heaven than will inhabit the other place... think about it.


Maybe you did them a favor, your spelling is atrocious!!



So... spelling is the crtiteria of having a logical premise to discuss... interesting. Will spelling keep me from going to heaven? Is being a spelling policeman part of being a christian? Does your reply make you feel good. My spelling may be atrocious but your manners are obnoxious.


Yes, no, sorta, yes, your opinion.


If you judge someone on typos then you are indeed a loser. You are a bore so please stay off my thread if you have nothing of substance to say.

I quite the christian fundamentalist church many years ago for many reasons, not the least of which is my finding that catholocism is the root of all denomentations of chrisitanity and they invented hell in order to control the masses through fear. Can anyone here give me a good answer to the question I have posed based on logic and reason and not brainwashed emotionalism propagated by the church establishment? Could you really love with all your heart and all your might a god that would condemn your mother, daughter, son, brother...etc. to eternity in hell fire? According to many threads here and many sermons I have heard there will be much less souls in heaven than will inhabit the other place... think about it.

I quite the christian fundamentalist church many years ago for many reasons, not the least of which is my finding that catholocism is the root of all denomentations of chrisitanity and they invented hell in order to control the masses through fear. Can anyone here give me a good answer to the question I have posed based on logic and reason and not brainwashed emotionalism propagated by the church establishment? Could you really love with all your heart and all your might a god that would condemn your mother, daughter, son, brother...etc. to eternity in hell fire? According to many threads here and many sermons I have heard there will be much less souls in heaven than will inhabit the other place... think about it.


Maybe you did them a favor, your spelling is atrocious!!



So... spelling is the crtiteria of having a logical premise to discuss... interesting. Will spelling keep me from going to heaven? Is being a spelling policeman part of being a christian? Does your reply make you feel good. My spelling may be atrocious but your manners are obnoxious.


Yes, no, sorta, yes, your opinion.


If you judge someone on typos then you are indeed a loser. You are a bore so please stay off my thread if you have nothing of substance to say.


You base your belief on the apostate catholic church, but a church does not a belief system make. A true Christian would not be judgemental if he followed the teachings of Christ (the founder of Christianity) and he would reject the church if it wavered from those teachings, as the catholic church has done. God did not make automatons, he created people with free will. That means you either accept him at his word and study it or post things on forum boards to find your answers from others.

There are two polar opposing/warring spiritual factions.

One wishes to drag you down to the black abyss for all eternity.

One wishes to take you up into the light of heaven to escape the eternal damnation of hell.

God/Jesus strongly warns us of the black abyss (hell) and makes it very clear that when do not take heed of His advice, and rather delight in making negative choices, choices that weigh down and darken our souls, we then risk falling like a stone into the abyss forever.

This would delight the dark minions to no end.


God doesn't want us to be lost forever to the dark abyss....which is why He sent his Son as an example of the characteristics which we are to aspire to, and thru Him offers the ability to infuse and lift our spirits with Him.


Thru repenting, (handing those heavily weighted transgressions over to Him)...we're able to relieve our souls and wash them clean from the accumulative effects of the negativity we sometimes wrongly choose.


The crux of the matter is that God gave everyone free will.

That puts us in the position to claim personal responsibility for whatever destination we desire.

Up....or down?

Imagine this as a helium balloon with a basket and we're currently riding in the basket (3-D realm).

but if we pump more heat (His spirit) into the Helium balloon it will begin to rise, lift off, and set us free of being 'earthbound' to which we then can more easily escape the earthly encumberances...


We'll be soaring, rather than lumbering along, tripping over rocks (sin) and such, and most importantly, remain 'light' and out of the grasp of the dark minions that roam this realm.

He created two thirds or three forths of us to become hell fire's eternal kindling?

He created two thirds or three forths of us to become hell fire's eternal kindling?


No, but he did give us a freewill, to make our own choices as we see fit. But we can't have it both ways. . .if we live our lives according to our own volition, we're gonna have to account for it. It's basic cause & effect. He doesn't want robots that are programmed to walk with him; he apparently wants genuine people who are with him because they *chose* him. When one really begins to get to know him, choosing anything else is almost absurd.

There are two polar opposing/warring spiritual factions.

One wishes to drag you down to the black abyss for all eternity.

One wishes to take you up into the light of heaven to escape the eternal damnation of hell.

God/Jesus strongly warns us of the black abyss (hell) and makes it very clear that when do not take heed of His advice, and rather delight in making negative choices, choices that weigh down and darken our souls, we then risk falling like a stone into the abyss forever.

This would delight the dark minions to no end.


God doesn't want us to be lost forever to the dark abyss....which is why He sent his Son as an example of the characteristics which we are to aspire to, and thru Him offers the ability to infuse and lift our spirits with Him.


Thru repenting, (handing those heavily weighted transgressions over to Him)...we're able to relieve our souls and wash them clean from the accumulative effects of the negativity we sometimes wrongly choose.


The crux of the matter is that God gave everyone free will.

That puts us in the position to claim personal responsibility for whatever destination we desire.

Up....or down?

Imagine this as a helium balloon with a basket and we're currently riding in the basket (3-D realm).

but if we pump more heat (His spirit) into the Helium balloon it will begin to rise, lift off, and set us free of being 'earthbound' to which we then can more easily escape the earthly encumberances...


We'll be soaring, rather than lumbering along, tripping over rocks (sin) and such, and most importantly, remain 'light' and out of the grasp of the dark minions that roam this realm.


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I have heard this argument before and i do not buy it. Many people, if given another chance at life would be better and make better choices in the next life. We have one miserable life to get it right... I just do not buy it.

I quite the christian fundamentalist church many years ago for many reasons, not the least of which is my finding that catholocism is the root of all denomentations of chrisitanity and they invented hell in order to control the masses through fear. Can anyone here give me a good answer to the question I have posed based on logic and reason and not brainwashed emotionalism propagated by the church establishment? Could you really love with all your heart and all your might a god that would condemn your mother, daughter, son, brother...etc. to eternity in hell fire? According to many threads here and many sermons I have heard there will be much less souls in heaven than will inhabit the other place... think about it.

He also gave you a brain to reason with. It is not logical that a vengefull god would demand love from us and worship knowing that we would have to continue this love even after knowing our loved ones are burning in hell. It doen't make sense to me. He created two thirds or three forths of us to become hell fire's eternal kindling?

I quite the christian fundamentalist church many years ago for many reasons, not the least of which is my finding that catholocism is the root of all denomentations of chrisitanity and they invented hell in order to control the masses through fear.

You posters here are skirting my original question. I really want an honest answer to it. The arguments for heaven/hell christianlty are old and hackneyed. Please answer my original question.

You posters here are skirting my original question. I really want an honest answer to it. The arguments for heaven/hell christianlty are old and hackneyed. Please answer my original question.


First please quote us an actual Bible verse where Bible God says he wants us to LOVE him. We have to have something to work with here.

I quite the christian fundamentalist church many years ago for many reasons, not the least of which is my finding that catholocism is the root of all denomentations of chrisitanity and they invented hell in order to control the masses through fear. Can anyone here give me a good answer to the question I have posed based on logic and reason and not brainwashed emotionalism propagated by the church establishment? Could you really love with all your heart and all your might a god that would condemn your mother, daughter, son, brother...etc. to eternity in hell fire? According to many threads here and many sermons I have heard there will be much less souls in heaven than will inhabit the other place... think about it.