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The Crash of Our Economy Has Accelerated....Update page 4...Sub-Zero Interest Rates are on the way!

 
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Every business owner is slammed I know. I don't see it.
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These are early signs.........
 Quoting: roadrunnerray


Oh really?

please explain!
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If that happens they will shoot Trump.
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It's even worse than it appears.

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ZeroHedge is a Russian/Chinese propaganda site

why do you even bother??
 Quoting: Jake


lol, liquidity crisis is everywhere..apart from China and Arabia.

So yes I do not care if you snort cocaine with your croissants in the morning. US economy is extremely doomed, while the rest of the world is in very bad shape.

this is exactly how capitalism works. Banks print money and make business and consumers dependent on credit then they close the tap...and collect everybody assets.
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Every business owner is slammed I know. I don't see it.
 Quoting: Bush Master


These are early signs.........
 Quoting: roadrunnerray


exactly
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The slowdown in Germany (and the rest of the EU is worse!) has also accelerated in the last 2+ months!

They are worried now!

I think the big printing presses are already warming up !

Here and in the US!

Reset can only be done AFTER the collapse, not before!
Until then its lying and printing only.

And now comes BREXIT for EU in addtion - NOT GOOD !

Tick tock
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ZeroHedge is a Russian/Chinese propaganda site

why do you even bother??
 Quoting: Jake


Why do you even bother mentioning this? Truth is truth no matter who tells it..
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You have to laugh at the people gung ho about the economy because people are still shopping at stores. No shit. If they weren't, we wouldn't be crashing, we'd be crashed. People need stuff so they buy it.

Alot of that stuff is put on credit cards. More debt. Nearly all car sales. Debt. Mortgages. Debt. People are buying crap they dont need on credit everywhere. Debt keeps the economy moving.

People are falling behind on car payments, house payments, credit cards. Most people live check to check and barely make it. Its all a game. The economy will be amazing until the day it isnt. Then everyone says, but it looked so great, how? Silly game.
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You have to laugh at the people gung ho about the economy because people are still shopping at stores. No shit. If they weren't, we wouldn't be crashing, we'd be crashed. People need stuff so they buy it.

Alot of that stuff is put on credit cards. More debt. Nearly all car sales. Debt. Mortgages. Debt. People are buying crap they dont need on credit everywhere. Debt keeps the economy moving.

People are falling behind on car payments, house payments, credit cards. Most people live check to check and barely make it. Its all a game. The economy will be amazing until the day it isnt. Then everyone says, but it looked so great, how? Silly game.
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Sounds exactly like 2008 when things we're Booming until they weren't. The car note defaults are Hugh right now...how people take on these large notes for those overpriced vehicles is beyond me.
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It's a mystery to me,why can't it just go on as is ad infinitum?

1st world countries ie USA,Japan,Switzerland and Eurozone etc gets to print fiat as fast as the presses can roll all year long and distributes said cash at 0% interest to elites and companies for share buybacks etc and everybody claims profits at year end as markets hit record highs.

Yet if a 3rd world shithole tries the same tactics ie Venezuela,Zimbabwe their economies are destroyed?

Double standards?
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It's a mystery to me,why can't it just go on as is ad infinitum?

1st world countries ie USA,Japan,Switzerland and Eurozone etc gets to print fiat as fast as the presses can roll all year long and distributes said cash at 0% interest to elites and companies for share buybacks etc and everybody claims profits at year end as markets hit record highs.

Yet if a 3rd world shithole tries the same tactics ie Venezuela,Zimbabwe their economies are destroyed?

Double standards?
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The 3rd world shitholes aren't controlled by bankers and if they are, its usually for stealing resources
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It's a mystery to me,why can't it just go on as is ad infinitum?

1st world countries ie USA,Japan,Switzerland and Eurozone etc gets to print fiat as fast as the presses can roll all year long and distributes said cash at 0% interest to elites and companies for share buybacks etc and everybody claims profits at year end as markets hit record highs.

Yet if a 3rd world shithole tries the same tactics ie Venezuela,Zimbabwe their economies are destroyed?

Double standards?
 Quoting: Starburne


The 3rd world shitholes aren't controlled by bankers and if they are, its usually for stealing resources
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There it is.

The greatest wealth transfer in the history of mankind is almost complete.
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People's attitudes toward shopping having definitely changed since I graduated from University in the late 80s. I remember my first job working with middle- aged coworkers who were so proud they didn't want anyone to know they sometimes shopped at Zellers, (Canadian department stores similar to Walmart). One woman told me she'd be embarrassed if people knew she shopped at Zellers. In the 80s everyone was shopping at expensive stores and trying to seem rich, they called it "conspicuous consumption". I remember people insulting badly dressed people by saying they looked like a "Walmart shopper".

NOW, people don't seem embarrassed at all about shopping at Walmart or other cheap stores. They're proud of NOT spending money. They even shop at thrift stores.

Things have definitely changed so much since the 80s. People have changed their attitudes so much.
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Every business owner is slammed I know. I don't see it.
 Quoting: Bush Master


Me too. My business sells to industry all over the country, we will have our best year ever this year.
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This has been building for years now...I suspect that the only way out is that if the rumors of President Trump working on some kind of financial reset are true we might have a chance...but what that would look like is uncertain and it is still likely many would be crushed...

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yea, generic milk is now $3.00 a gallon at walmart
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Every business owner is slammed I know. I don't see it.
 Quoting: Bush Master


These are early signs.........
 Quoting: roadrunnerray


Oh really?

please explain!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75282507


it's like a sound wave, up, down , up down. There has to be a peak (up) before a drop (down), we're in, or closing in on the peak. the only thing after a peak is back down.
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Every business owner is slammed I know. I don't see it.
 Quoting: Bush Master


It's Kinda weird for sure. It's like a tale of two cities..I know business guys saying the same thing...things are great...but then another article today said that JC Penny, Payless shoes and Lifeway (Whatever that is...) are getting ready to close another 3000 stores....Stay tuned I guess...
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Those stores are out of style...I go to JC Penny for Levi jeans, but that's it.
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Welcome to the golden cross...

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Business miracle!

Sears OPENS stores!

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This is so fun...

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Every business owner is slammed I know. I don't see it.
 Quoting: Bush Master


Me too. My business sells to industry all over the country, we will have our best year ever this year.
 Quoting: 4doggies


I have a buddy who owns a door and window company. Lots of orders coming in from contractors who have reached the stage of building where they are ready to install the doors/windows but many are telling him they don't have many contracts on the books yet for next spring...but this probably varies area to area...I'm reading articles that Manhattan real estate is tanking but you could make the argument that it had become way over priced and New York's high taxes are keeping prospective buyers away...
"May you live in interesting times."
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ZeroHedge is a Russian/Chinese propaganda site

why do you even bother??
 Quoting: Jake


It´s funny. News have to be very slanted towards your view to be real, right?

Go to Fucks News. That´s very American. LOL
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ZeroHedge is a Russian/Chinese propaganda site

why do you even bother??
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Why do you even bother mentioning this? Truth is truth no matter who tells it..
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Clappa
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You have to laugh at the people gung ho about the economy because people are still shopping at stores. No shit. If they weren't, we wouldn't be crashing, we'd be crashed. People need stuff so they buy it.

Alot of that stuff is put on credit cards. More debt. Nearly all car sales. Debt. Mortgages. Debt. People are buying crap they dont need on credit everywhere. Debt keeps the economy moving.

People are falling behind on car payments, house payments, credit cards. Most people live check to check and barely make it. Its all a game. The economy will be amazing until the day it isnt. Then everyone says, but it looked so great, how? Silly game.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72868459


Here's an update on your "people are falling behind on house payments" comment from CoreLogic which I quote at way less than 50%:

"As of September 2018, the serious delinquency rates for Federal Housing Administration (FHA), U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs (VA), and conventional loans were 3.7, 1.9 and 1.1 percent, respectively (Figure 1). The serious delinquency rate dropped significantly for all loan types in September 2018 compared with September 2017. These rates represent an 11-year low."

Note, an eleven year low.
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You have to laugh at the people gung ho about the economy because people are still shopping at stores. No shit. If they weren't, we wouldn't be crashing, we'd be crashed. People need stuff so they buy it.

Alot of that stuff is put on credit cards. More debt. Nearly all car sales. Debt. Mortgages. Debt. People are buying crap they dont need on credit everywhere. Debt keeps the economy moving.

People are falling behind on car payments, house payments, credit cards. Most people live check to check and barely make it. Its all a game. The economy will be amazing until the day it isnt. Then everyone says, but it looked so great, how? Silly game.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72868459


Here's an update on your "people are falling behind on house payments" comment from CoreLogic which I quote at way less than 50%:

"As of September 2018, the serious delinquency rates for Federal Housing Administration (FHA), U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs (VA), and conventional loans were 3.7, 1.9 and 1.1 percent, respectively (Figure 1). The serious delinquency rate dropped significantly for all loan types in September 2018 compared with September 2017. These rates represent an 11-year low."

Note, an eleven year low.
 Quoting: Larry D. Croc


True...but on the other hand...

Its so much more complicated than that however....

[link to www.zerohedge.com (secure)]

All this stuff ties together...look at the big picture...
But I do appreciate your thoughs on this Larry D.

For those of you about to post the Zero Hedge Eye Rolling Gifs in response to this please spare us...The adults are in the room talking.
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Trump is helping crash the economy

what do you think a 45 percent tariff on chinese good would do?

all your money would be competing for what? domestic made goods? can you even fathom the inflation?

Trump says he spend 95% of his time on War with Iran, WAr with Venezuela, War war war.
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It's a mystery to me,why can't it just go on as is ad infinitum?

1st world countries ie USA,Japan,Switzerland and Eurozone etc gets to print fiat as fast as the presses can roll all year long and distributes said cash at 0% interest to elites and companies for share buybacks etc and everybody claims profits at year end as markets hit record highs.

Yet if a 3rd world shithole tries the same tactics ie Venezuela,Zimbabwe their economies are destroyed?

Double standards?
 Quoting: Starburne


Venezuela is not a shithole. at least they weren't after the socialists took over, i follow lots of people on venezuela they have a huge middle class, because of Chavez and Maduro. or at least had until US and globalist demons destroyed it.

Zimbabwe is a shithole, they don't actually produce anything so they can't create money,there's nothing backing it.

Venezuela was a paradise, all their electricity was hydroelectric. Free electricity, forever. produced by water flowing down rivers.

Idiots just can't stand it when they find out people are living better than them.
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It's a mystery to me,why can't it just go on as is ad infinitum?

1st world countries ie USA,Japan,Switzerland and Eurozone etc gets to print fiat as fast as the presses can roll all year long and distributes said cash at 0% interest to elites and companies for share buybacks etc and everybody claims profits at year end as markets hit record highs.

Yet if a 3rd world shithole tries the same tactics ie Venezuela,Zimbabwe their economies are destroyed?

Double standards?
 Quoting: Starburne


Venezuela is not a shithole. at least they weren't after the socialists took over, i follow lots of people on venezuela they have a huge middle class, because of Chavez and Maduro. or at least had until US and globalist demons destroyed it.

Zimbabwe is a shithole, they don't actually produce anything so they can't create money,there's nothing backing it.

Venezuela was a paradise, all their electricity was hydroelectric. Free electricity, forever. produced by water flowing down rivers.

Idiots just can't stand it when they find out people are living better than them.
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and how did Venezuelans build such a world wonder? not because they're stupid they smarter than you are by a million smart points. they aren't ruled by psychopathic criminals because they're not stupid, but you are
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You have to laugh at the people gung ho about the economy because people are still shopping at stores. No shit. If they weren't, we wouldn't be crashing, we'd be crashed. People need stuff so they buy it.

Alot of that stuff is put on credit cards. More debt. Nearly all car sales. Debt. Mortgages. Debt. People are buying crap they dont need on credit everywhere. Debt keeps the economy moving.

People are falling behind on car payments, house payments, credit cards. Most people live check to check and barely make it. Its all a game. The economy will be amazing until the day it isnt. Then everyone says, but it looked so great, how? Silly game.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72868459


Here's an update on your "people are falling behind on house payments" comment from CoreLogic which I quote at way less than 50%:

"As of September 2018, the serious delinquency rates for Federal Housing Administration (FHA), U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs (VA), and conventional loans were 3.7, 1.9 and 1.1 percent, respectively (Figure 1). The serious delinquency rate dropped significantly for all loan types in September 2018 compared with September 2017. These rates represent an 11-year low."

Note, an eleven year low.
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Any financial figures originating from a Trump run administration is bull shit. Here endeth the lesson.
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ZeroHedge is a Russian/Chinese propaganda site

why do you even bother??
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So your saying all (14) of the talking points in the article are fake news? Seems I have seen most of those statistics reported on in other places in the past few weeks...(FOX Business, WSJ, etc.). Let me know where I can find the economic data to dispute these points. Thx.
 Quoting: condor819


Did you actually read the articles behind many of the "warning signs"? You'll find they're from the same blog and filled with "some people believe", "if", "could", "might", etc.

"Even WalMart is Closing Stores!!!" Yeah, eight damned stores and 7 of them are the grocery stores that were a bad idea to begin with. No mention, of course, of any stores WalMart is building...
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