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It was Impossible to Fake the Moon Landing on video in 1969

 
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My daughter when 6 years old was physically taken to heaven to meet the savior Jesus Christ in heaven. On the way up she
was taken through the dome where she saw the stars, moon, and sun. The angels said she was in an air bubble past the dome they went through water until she saw this big white light accrosed the expanse in front of the waters they went
through it, and the angels landed her near the tree of life
where she saw and talked to Jesus. She was taken to the entrance of the New Jerusalem. She was not allowed to eat of the tree of life while there. There is alot more that is for another time. On the way back down with the 2 angels of God protecting her in the air bubble through the waters above the dome she passed through passing by one star near her and she saw in the distance all the other stars, planets, moon, sun. In and below the dome. She said while looking down that the earth was shaped like a frisbee with a dome over it. The
angels of God also want her to get the truth out the earth is not a globe. It is a lie. She went to heaven and back physically brought up and back by Jesus Christ the Saviour the son of God.
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lol - nice trolling style you got there - but we know you are bullshit
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I am not trolling she is telling the truth she said. I and my entire family put Jesus furst. He is your savior give your heart to him. We prey alot to him, I have even seen him and his angels. We have in Jesus Christ name seen stage 4 cancer healed instantly. We have seen angels of God part clouds when commanding them to part in Jesus name while giving a worship service outside. There was a girl at our worship service pulling the girl around like in the movies and it was cast out in the name of Jesus. I have seen angels of God move trees. God even told me and my other daughter that Donald Trump will re-election, and a Republican will be the next president after him. There is so much more but we are writing a book about it what God commanded us to do. We will pray for you to believe in Jesus and accept the truth that Genesis in the Bible is literally true about the creation of the water including the water above the firmament.
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I met to say the girl was being pulled around by an invisible demon. That was cast out in Jesus Christ name.
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I met to say the girl was being pulled around by an invisible demon. That was cast out in Jesus Christ name.
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lol
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I got moon rocks and moon cheese for sale...honest..what you looking at.
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I met to say the girl was being pulled around by an invisible demon. That was cast out in Jesus Christ name.
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lol
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You won't be laughing in the judgement day when your burning in hell fire for rejecting God. You.will start to see this is true when Donald Trump wins again the next term in taking more states then the last time Jesus told us. Plus a republican president wins after him. We were told other things about the future from also God. By vision, Jesus voice, and real angels of God show8ng up to us for real.
Read the Bible, the first book of Enoch, and book of Jasher. What I am telling you anybody can have this walk with God.
If you follow him, ask forgiveness of sins. Treat others like yourself. Keep the 10 commandments. Accept J3sus Christ as your Savior and be humble, and prey to him real often. Finally have faith without a doubt and all this will happen to you over time.
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I met to say the girl was being pulled around by an invisible demon. That was cast out in Jesus Christ name.
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lol
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You won't be laughing in the judgement day when your burning in hell fire for rejecting God. You.will start to see this is true when Donald Trump wins again the next term in taking more states then the last time Jesus told us. Plus a republican president wins after him. We were told other things about the future from also God. By vision, Jesus voice, and real angels of God show8ng up to us for real.
Read the Bible, the first book of Enoch, and book of Jasher. What I am telling you anybody can have this walk with God.
If you follow him, ask forgiveness of sins. Treat others like yourself. Keep the 10 commandments. Accept J3sus Christ as your Savior and be humble, and prey to him real often. Finally have faith without a doubt and all this will happen to you over time.
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Sorry about the spelling mistakes. But I think you get the
message from the Holy Spirit.
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Clever to fit mercury bath commutated electrostatic emitters on the rover for the plume arcs though.
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Trouble always finds loose lips friend.
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Dead man switch dumps are all ready and prepared to go live. Come at us brah.
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Sounds like some pretty damning info!
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We even have one of the 115v 400hz circuit boards with rookie ground plane errors. It is beautiful art to gaze upon though.
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Go to Smithsonian museum and tell me you would get it and go to the moon...I would not get in it and sail to a water dock 40 foot offshore..dumb fuck..it looks like reynolds wrap designed by CIA or MI5 for public consumption
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There was a Reported that did just that and talked to the Engineers. The Lunar Lander is too small for two Astronauts to maneuver inside and exit the hatch of the Lander with their Space suits on!
It would have been impossible!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 48746230

Why do you lie? A video has been posted multiple times in this thread showing there was plenty of room.


The whole Program was a sham.
They only tested the Lander one time before the "Mission" and it failed!
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Another lie. The lander was tested unmanned in Earth orbit on Apollo 4, 5, and 6. It was tested manned in Earth orbit on Apollo 9 and manned in lunar orbit on Apollo 10.
You are likely thinking of the LLTV or LLRV which were both training prototypes used to teach how to fly the LM. There was a fe crashes with those but Armstrong's was a year before Apollo 11 and altogether they had hundreds of successful flights. So why do you lie?
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Re: It was Impossible to Fake the Moon Landing on video in 1969
Was it impossible to fake Space 2001 in 1969 as well?

Have you actually seen state of the art computer graphics from 1969? Yes you have, you just didn't know it.
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2001's moon scene looks NOTHING like Apollo and shows signs of atmosphere and earth gravity. Analogy fail.
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You go to the smithsonian museum in washington dc and tell me you go to the moon in such an ill designed piece of trash.

I would not even get in it to go to float 30 feet offshore.
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Since I have seen that the loose insulative covering is not structural and I'm not as arrogant as you to judge the engineering by an external covering, I'd have no problem going in it. As for floating in it offshore, it was only ever designed to operate in a vacuum and in low gravity. Thanks for showing us how little knowledge you actually have.
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Re: It was Impossible to Fake the Moon Landing on video in 1969
Was it impossible to fake Space 2001 in 1969 as well?

Have you actually seen state of the art computer graphics from 1969? Yes you have, you just didn't know it.
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2001's moon scene looks NOTHING like Apollo and shows signs of atmosphere and earth gravity. Analogy fail.
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I'll grant you that there is a distinctive difference. 2001 is a movie designed to look like a movie, with clarity and lack of attention to technical details.

The moon footage is a form of realism, which has been obscured by intentional graininess, low frame rate (lol) and lots of intentional lens flare designed to appeal to a television mentality.

The main similarity is of course they both had the same director.

BTW, have you seen the DASTAR series, produced by NASA and directed by U-KNOW-WHO?

There's a reason it has been scrubbed from the net and pulled from circulation as much as possible, you see, mr director genius put intentional clues in it about the moon footage, and another distant event in our history, one which faul sings about on "I Will".



P.S. DASTAR=RATSAD
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Was it impossible to fake Space 2001 in 1969 as well?

Have you actually seen state of the art computer graphics from 1969? Yes you have, you just didn't know it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77134005


2001's moon scene looks NOTHING like Apollo and shows signs of atmosphere and earth gravity. Analogy fail.
 Quoting: LHP598


I'll grant you that there is a distinctive difference. 2001 is a movie designed to look like a movie, with clarity and lack of attention to technical details.

The moon footage is a form of realism, which has been obscured by intentional graininess, low frame rate (lol) and lots of intentional lens flare designed to appeal to a television mentality.

The main similarity is of course they both had the same director.

snip irrelevance
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the idea that Kubrick was involved with Apollo is nothing more than a hoaxie wet dream. He was busy with multiple other projects int he UK at the time and afraid of flying. Further, most of the Apollo footage has live interaction with mission control where there was also discussions of current sports scores. It wasn't prerecorded.

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Re: It was Impossible to Fake the Moon Landing on video in 1969
Was it impossible to fake Space 2001 in 1969 as well?

Have you actually seen state of the art computer graphics from 1969? Yes you have, you just didn't know it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77134005


2001's moon scene looks NOTHING like Apollo and shows signs of atmosphere and earth gravity. Analogy fail.
 Quoting: LHP598


I'll grant you that there is a distinctive difference. 2001 is a movie designed to look like a movie, with clarity and lack of attention to technical details.

The moon footage is a form of realism, which has been obscured by intentional graininess, low frame rate (lol) and lots of intentional lens flare designed to appeal to a television mentality.

The main similarity is of course they both had the same director.

snip irrelevance
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the idea that Kubrick was involved with Apollo is nothing more than a hoaxie wet dream. He was busy with multiple other projects int he UK at the time and afraid of flying. Further, most of the Apollo footage has live interaction with mission control where there was also discussions of current sports scores. It wasn't prerecorded.
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BTW, Kubrick gets directors credit on the DASTAR APOLLO series.
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Go to Smithsonian museum and tell me you would get it and go to the moon...I would not get in it and sail to a water dock 40 foot offshore..dumb fuck..it looks like reynolds wrap designed by CIA or MI5 for public consumption
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There was a Reported that did just that and talked to the Engineers. The Lunar Lander is too small for two Astronauts to maneuver inside and exit the hatch of the Lander with their Space suits on!
It would have been impossible!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 48746230

Why do you lie? A video has been posted multiple times in this thread showing there was plenty of room.

quoting LHP598 above



Was there room for the 9 space suits and 9 helmets they took with them? I dont think you showed that in any video. Do you think you could say which video you think shows there was ample space to manouvre, get dressed and undressed etc. The suits could only be worn for a short time. And dont forget oxygen would have been in short supply.

By the way, noone seems to agree on how long it takes to put the suits on and take them off. In one of the videos supplied by a moontard, he says 5 mins. NASA's website says 45 minutes and all the videos show it takes a whole team to do it in about half and hour. Noone can demonstrate it takes less than a whole team to do it. And dont tell me the gloves are not integral. I think it's integral to keep your hands safe at all times; you would be a bit lost without them up there.

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That video is old and debunked in just minutes
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It would be hard to fool the engineers and fake the emotions in the control room at Mission Control (Houston) when Armstrong manually landed the module around a crater and avoided a crash landing.

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Go to Smithsonian museum and tell me you would get it and go to the moon...I would not get in it and sail to a water dock 40 foot offshore..dumb fuck..it looks like reynolds wrap designed by CIA or MI5 for public consumption
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77091695


There was a Reported that did just that and talked to the Engineers. The Lunar Lander is too small for two Astronauts to maneuver inside and exit the hatch of the Lander with their Space suits on!
It would have been impossible!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 48746230

Why do you lie? A video has been posted multiple times in this thread showing there was plenty of room.

quoting LHP598 above
Was there room for the 9 space suits and 9 helmets they took with them? I dont think you showed that in any video. Do you think you could say which video you think shows there was ample space to manouvre, get dressed and undressed etc. The suits could only be worn for a short time. And dont forget oxygen would have been in short supply.

By the way, noone seems to agree on how long it takes to put the suits on and take them off. In one of the videos supplied by a moontard, he says 5 mins. NASA's website says 45 minutes and all the videos show it takes a whole team to do it in about half and hour. Noone can demonstrate it takes less than a whole team to do it. And dont tell me the gloves are not integral. I think it's integral to keep your hands safe at all times; you would be a bit lost without them up there.
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Please post a source where they had 9 suits for the two people that landed on the Moon. Gloves are detachable from the rest of the suit. they had plenty of oxygen as they used carbon dioxide scrubbers to recycle as much as possible.
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2001's moon scene looks NOTHING like Apollo and shows signs of atmosphere and earth gravity. Analogy fail.
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I'll grant you that there is a distinctive difference. 2001 is a movie designed to look like a movie, with clarity and lack of attention to technical details.

The moon footage is a form of realism, which has been obscured by intentional graininess, low frame rate (lol) and lots of intentional lens flare designed to appeal to a television mentality.

The main similarity is of course they both had the same director.

snip irrelevance
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77134005


the idea that Kubrick was involved with Apollo is nothing more than a hoaxie wet dream. He was busy with multiple other projects int he UK at the time and afraid of flying. Further, most of the Apollo footage has live interaction with mission control where there was also discussions of current sports scores. It wasn't prerecorded.
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Ok so he visited at some time. And?
and still no proof he had anything to do with Apollo.
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There was a Reported that did just that and talked to the Engineers. The Lunar Lander is too small for two Astronauts to maneuver inside and exit the hatch of the Lander with their Space suits on!
It would have been impossible!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 48746230

Why do you lie? A video has been posted multiple times in this thread showing there was plenty of room.

quoting LHP598 above
Was there room for the 9 space suits and 9 helmets they took with them? I dont think you showed that in any video. Do you think you could say which video you think shows there was ample space to manouvre, get dressed and undressed etc. The suits could only be worn for a short time. And dont forget oxygen would have been in short supply.

By the way, noone seems to agree on how long it takes to put the suits on and take them off. In one of the videos supplied by a moontard, he says 5 mins. NASA's website says 45 minutes and all the videos show it takes a whole team to do it in about half and hour. Noone can demonstrate it takes less than a whole team to do it. And dont tell me the gloves are not integral. I think it's integral to keep your hands safe at all times; you would be a bit lost without them up there.
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Please post a source where they had 9 suits for the two people that landed on the Moon. Gloves are detachable from the rest of the suit. they had plenty of oxygen as they used carbon dioxide scrubbers to recycle as much as possible.
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Here you go, Space expert, it says on the NASA website at number 14


Each Apollo mission required 15 suits to support the mission. For the main, or prime, three-man crew, each member had three suits: one for flight; one for training; and one as a flight backup in case something happened to the flight suit. Thus, the prime crew had a total of nine suits. The backup three-man crew each had two suits: one for flight and one for training.

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So how many suits and helmets were on the rocket? Weren't there three members for each crew?
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Why do you lie? A video has been posted multiple times in this thread showing there was plenty of room.

quoting LHP598 above
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Please post a source where they had 9 suits for the two people that landed on the Moon. Gloves are detachable from the rest of the suit. they had plenty of oxygen as they used carbon dioxide scrubbers to recycle as much as possible.
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Here you go, Space expert, it says on the NASA website at number 14


Each Apollo mission required 15 suits to support the mission. For the main, or prime, three-man crew, each member had three suits: one for flight; one for training; and one as a flight backup in case something happened to the flight suit. Thus, the prime crew had a total of nine suits. The backup three-man crew each had two suits: one for flight and one for training.

[link to www.nasa.gov (secure)]

So how many suits and helmets were on the rocket? Weren't there three members for each crew?
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three crew members but only two in the LM. No indication that they carried all those suits with them. I wouldn't expect them to carry the training suits. I doubt they'd need a separate helmet for each as well as those were not custom sized. So at most they had 4 suits in the LM though I doubt that as well. Entirely possible the flight backup suit was left on Earth once the Flight suit checked out completely before launch. Especially as the backup crew did not have backup suits but would be expected to jump right in if there was a problem with the primary crew before launch. Looks like they brought one suit each.

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It would be hard to fool the engineers and fake the emotions in the control room at Mission Control (Houston) when Armstrong manually landed the module around a crater and avoided a crash landing.


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NASA was filled with talented functioning alcoholics. None of those people had the faintest that what they were watching wasn't real time. Just a second telemetry simulation. Armstrong never left LEO.
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Here you go, Space expert, it says on the NASA website at number 14


Each Apollo mission required 15 suits to support the mission. For the main, or prime, three-man crew, each member had three suits: one for flight; one for training; and one as a flight backup in case something happened to the flight suit. Thus, the prime crew had a total of nine suits. The backup three-man crew each had two suits: one for flight and one for training.

[link to www.nasa.gov (secure)]

So how many suits and helmets were on the rocket? Weren't there three members for each crew?
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three crew members but only two in the LM. No indication that they carried all those suits with them. I wouldn't expect them to carry the training suits. I doubt they'd need a separate helmet for each as well as those were not custom sized. So at most they had 4 suits in the LM though I doubt that as well. Entirely possible the flight backup suit was left on Earth once the Flight suit checked out completely before launch. Especially as the backup crew did not have backup suits but would be expected to jump right in if there was a problem with the primary crew before launch. Looks like they brought one suit each.
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Dont you think it would be really concerning if they only took one suit each to the moon when they needed several suits here on earth. They would not have known what to expect up there. I know how easy it is for fabric and clothes to fall apart, get ripped etc. How they could have taken such a risk (packing only one suit each) is beyond comprehension.

Let me just say this again, they needed several suits to practise on earth but you say they only took one suit each to the moon. how could they possibly know that nothing would go wrong on the moon when they needed several suits and backups on the earth. Just unbeleivable!!!! That they would play with the lives and safety of the astronauts in such a manner.

I cannot beleive they could have been so reckless with the lives of those men.

Especially when you see how delicate the items in the suits are. The cooling system is made up of little plastic pipes running through the fabric. Could easily have got ripped. Look at how long it takes a whole team to dress one person, how many layers make up the whole suit. Any of those items could have needed replacing on such a long and arduous journey. rant
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Not to mention with all the giant leaps they were taking on the moon, who is to say that they could not have fallen and smashed part of the helmet?

How could it have been safe to send men all that way with only one helmet each to keep their head in one piece?

It just doesnt add up. You just would not take risks like that.

It's just totally forseeable that something could go wrong. They were hammering this and jumping about like they had no care in the world. Who would have known they only had one helmet each and had to be careful not to smash it up or tear any part of those fragile space suits.

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NASA did bring us TANG orange drink...very expensive
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No, they didn't

On a more serious side..they did computers.
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Also not.
The space programme did accelerate the development of computing though.
book


You are really slow on the uptake.
So here are some visual aids.


book
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This IS NOT the published trajectory we got in 69.
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Actually it is.

More importantly it is the OBSERVED trajectory.
So how many tens of thousands of people do you want to add to your hyperconspiracy this time?

In fact if you pay attention, it's on the big board in mission,
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The big board is a visual aid, NOT the published trajectory.

The earths axis has a declination to the ecliptic by 22 degrees and the moons orbit a declination of orbit to the ecliptic of 5 degrees. Thats 27 degrees. moon bat, total possible TLI declination to the ecliptic if you intent to intercept the moon in it's Earth orbit and achieve an orbit. This puts the spacecraft right through the hottest parts of the VaB
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You seem to believe that to get to the Moon you need an orbit in the same plane as the Moon.

As I said hoaxies are ignorant about spacetravel.
You are yet another datapoint.

Another common trait of hoaxies is an inability to think in 3D.
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So explain to us how the landing sights of a-ll and a-12 were possible using a TLI of greater than 27 degrees declintion?
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Maybe you should have studied these sort of things before shooting your mouth off.

I'm NOT your tutor.
YOU are responsible for YOUR education.
YOU are responsible for getting your facts right BEFORE accusing people of having committed crimes.
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Dont you think it would be really concerning if they only took one suit each to the moon when they needed several suits here on earth.
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They didn't need several suits here on Earth.
They needed just the training suits.
The flight suit and the backup flight suit were NOT used for training, they wanted to keep them in pristine condition.
book

And the Gish Gallop continues...
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Re: It was Impossible to Fake the Moon Landing on video in 1969
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04/14/2019 04:57 PM
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Re: It was Impossible to Fake the Moon Landing on video in 1969
Total lie. It was done with a bucket brigade of magnetic disk recorders. How could anyone trust a fat man in a stupid cap?
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Heavier than air manned flight was a greater obstacle than firing some men into space on a rocket.
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Umm, no. No, it wasn't.

The Wright brothers didn't need billions of $$ and a huge government agency.

You fail.





GLP