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Every American's Right': Christian Farmers Fight Back After Being Banned for Biblical Marriage Beliefs

 
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The only group being attacked for their religious beliefs are Christians. Why don't they go to a mosque and try this? It's has nothing to do with gay rights - it's about destroying Christianity.
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Imagine if they were jevvish collective farmers. Oh, the heads would roll and the Sun would stop it's path in the sky. We do have a two tiered justice system.
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"Jesus NEVER says anything about Gays"

WRONG!

12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. 13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches.

Revelation 22 King James Bible

17 There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel. 18 Thou shalt not bring the hire of a whore, or the price of a dog, into the house of the LORD thy God for any vow: for even both these are abomination unto the LORD thy God.

Deuteronomy 23 King James Bible
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Would you like for me to supply the court cases? Not my rulings. I didn't decide on how they chose to rule but this is how it's being done.

I don't agree with abominations but I'm simply stating why they're loosing the court cases. Some do win but that depends on the judge. Their judge will most likely have to be a God fearing Christian Judge.


No, I think the LOCATIONS would be adequate to demonstrate my point. A LOT of America doesn't put up with these peoples sh*t and its always closet commies and shillos who come preaching that in muddy water to overspeak the simple facts: Its freaks and bastar*s hypocritically distorting rules to serve thier ulterior purposes.
Ite always destructo territory, moslums, commies or affos run by commies, that have these goofy cases. Mich? Please.

As far as "God fearing", what about when they screw around with the wrong one and somebody really DOES involve the irs and direct print policy?
I never care what anybody BUT they say anyway?
And I am only maintaining that this is a doom cloud attempting to convince people "this is how it is" using communist and "pelosi" places as examples, where nobodys rights and laws are anything, and a "judge" is some mentally ill angry inch tjat just "makes up" whatever people "deserve" and calls that law and gets away with it.
Thats not "everywhere!" and def not "the world!" Where our President just HUMILIATED US all on his obama-esque "world queer tour". Nobody appreciated that. Nobody.
If location were listed before each case it would show a different picture than asians and democrats would have all thinking if they could get away with it.
It would show places they are being allowed to get away with it. Spots, on a big map, about to resort to whatever it takes too.
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I would completely agree location has a lot to do with it. Will not argue that issue. I lived in Houston and I worked at a job for nearly a decade which was to support the Judges, DA's and sheriffs. While there, I seen similar cases go different directions. It doesn't make sense but when you learn what the judge stands for then it makes sense. Most conservative Christian judges will rule by the law. Whereas a liberal judge rules based on how they feel or even an agenda but no one in the court can challenge his/her ruling. They can only appeal it.

That was my last job and I left Houston over 3 years ago and moved to a very rural area. The nearest town from me is 16 miles away and only has 3600 people. Houston transformed while I was there in just 20 years. It went from mostly conservative to a liberal shit hole. I don't want any part of what it has to offer plus I was having some health issues. I'm happy with just waking up with my family and all the wild animals in my yard.

In the rural area where I live, it's a whole differently mentality. People out here are more caring, compassionate, loving and helpful. When I was unable to mow my grass, my neighbor drove over on his tractor mower and mowed my grass. I didn't ask for any help, he didn't say anything nor ask for anything. Later I thanked him. Everyone helps out everyone around here.

With that said, I can see how the children out here in the surrounding cities are changing. Some of these kids have been indoctrinated into thinking they're gay. The black children are now getting the entitlement mentality but it doesn't go over well in the schools out here. The schools out here in the small cities don't play that game. Prayer is still allowed in schools out here. The majority of parents plan on keeping it that way. I think if someone disagrees with it, they just keep quiet because the overwhelming majority are very vocal about these issues. They haven't given up like they have in the big cities. They don't want their communities going to shit nor want any crime. I've only heard of one store robbery in a small town and the local police and sheriffs went after this person as if he murdered someone. It's not tolerated. Hell, people still drive around with their shotguns hanging up in the back of their trucks.

Yes, I would agree that location has a lot to do with it. And I don't know much about the location where this happening other than it's in Michigan.

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It is their property. It is NOT a wedding venue.
They do NOT have to allow strangers to have a wedding on their farm.
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Unless their farm is 501(c)(3) or incorporated they may not have any rights or say over their own farm. People don't realize this is a contract with the state that gives them special privileges.
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Coincidentally, no religion should be 501(c)(3)and have their beliefs mandated by the state. Every 501(c)(3) religion has soul doubt for tax benefits.
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It is so very hypocritical but Jesus NEVER says anything about Gays or gay marriage, yet, he definitely goes above and beyond in all 4 Gospels about divorce.
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Nobody cares what witches say? Nobody is tolerating the damaged goods anymore. People are sick of demented people using every excuse they can come up with for what is bullsh*t. Gays are plain toxic bullsh*t.
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Adolf Hitler thought he could decide who was a toxic human and decided to get rid of them, you think you have that type intelligence also. God or no God you think you have that right to determine what another human wants to do with their life.
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When you have invoked Hitler, you have lost the argument.
Goodbye.
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Not necessarily.

Not when you point out he originally was a creative/artist/painter type who was also homosexual.

Although he exploited anti-homosexual sentiments for political reasons, he had same-sex relationships up until Eva Braun entered his life towards the end. She apparently was mainly a "fag hag."

He also was a big supporter of animal rights and a domineering government.

He admired the brutality of Islam but was dismissive of what he considered the overly passive nature of Christianity.

If he were still alive today and living in the US, he would be a dark force pulling the strings to weaponize society against people like the Christian farmers.

The old is new again.

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A pair of Christian farmers who were banned from their local farmers market in 2016 for choosing not to host a gay wedding on their personal farm are taking their battle to court this week.

Steve and Bridget Tennes, owners of Country Mill Farms, are asking for a permanent court order forcing the city of East Lansing, Michigan to let them sell their products at the city's farmer's market.

The Alliance Defending Freedom (ADF) will represent the Tennes family in court this Friday. According to ADF, the City of Lansing blocked the Christian family from selling their products after reading on the Country Mill Farms' Facebook page that they support biblical marriage and will not allow LGBTQ weddings in their orchards.

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The nonChristian old testament believers also believe in the same rights, but nobody notices or bothers them about it
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It is their property. It is NOT a wedding venue.
They do NOT have to allow strangers to have a wedding on their farm.
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Unless their farm is 501(c)(3) or incorporated they may not have any rights or say over their own farm. People don't realize this is a contract with the state that gives them special privileges.
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Coincidentally, no religion should be 501(c)(3)and have their beliefs mandated by the state. Every 501(c)(3) religion has soul doubt for tax benefits.
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Completely agree with you. I avoid these churches. In fact, I avoid most all churches now. I read and study on my own every evening.
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Most conservative Christian judges will rule by the law. Whereas a liberal judge rules based on how they feel or even an agenda but no one in the court can challenge his/her ruling. They can only appeal it.

That was my last job and I left Houston over 3 years ago and moved to a very rural area. The nearest town from me is 16 miles away and only has 3600 people. Houston transformed while I was there in just 20 years. It went from mostly conservative to a liberal shit hole. I don't want any part of what it has to offer plus I was having some health issues. I'm happy with just waking up with my family and all the wild animals in my yard.

In the rural area where I live, it's a whole differently mentality. People out here are more caring, compassionate, loving and helpful. When I was unable to mow my grass, my neighbor drove over on his tractor mower and mowed my grass. I didn't ask for any help, he didn't say anything nor ask for anything. Later I thanked him. Everyone helps out everyone around here.
 Quoting: A Chosen


It all comes down to one thing: People's ideology, their sociopolitical biases. It also comes down to way too many people being naive, foolish or gullible about the nature of liberalism and liberals.

The irony that left-leaning preferences generally make people and places less - not more - kind, caring and humane is lost on that percentage of the public that thinks, "well, liberals at least have nice intentions, don't they?"

They rarely hear the retort of, no---hell no.

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Please boycott the East Lansing Farmer's Market. Buy your produce elsewhere.
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Why would homos choose a farm for a wedding? Because they only attack Christians. The one people who would actually try to save them from being thrown off of a rooftop by Muslims. How stupid is that? It’s because demons indwell inside Muslims and homosexuals alike. And Satan always attacks Jesus, the ONE TRUE GOD.
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"Jesus NEVER says anything about Gays"

WRONG!

12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. 13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches.

Revelation 22 King James Bible

17 There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel. 18 Thou shalt not bring the hire of a whore, or the price of a dog, into the house of the LORD thy God for any vow: for even both these are abomination unto the LORD thy God.

Deuteronomy 23 King James Bible
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Revelation is some guy fronting and claiming hes channeling Jesus and making shit up in his name.
Jesus didn't visit some loony hermit guy in a cave on Patmos and dictate any addenda for some nutter to broadcast for him as an afterthought.
Jesus went about the people, not designating a hermit to speak for him.

Not everything included as a compilation in a book is true.
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" SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED . "

Of course if this was a Muslim family farm and they proudly favored Sharia Laws there would be no complaints by the State .

Lawsuits would go no where and the State would side with " Under the Bill of Rights all citizens have Freedom of Religion " .



You cannot have it favor 1 religion . Unless your CFR/ Tri-lateral Commission affiliated government . Which is basically the entire Corp . of America .


I cannot find a Non 501-C.3. Church here in Eastern NC .

Every Church has a electric band and flat screen Tv monitors .

The preaching is luke warm dribble . The Music is un-inspirational . The people are sheeple to the max .

That's the intended goal . Now remember 100 years ago Pastor's were exposing Govt. Corruption and leading the way to save souls on the streets , at church services , feeding the poor and disabled etc. .


Churches today lack the Holy Spirit . As well as good level headed leadership based on Honesty and integrity .


Jesus , needs a Caddie and a Rolex !
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It is so very hypocritical but Jesus NEVER says anything about Gays or gay marriage, yet, he definitely goes above and beyond in all 4 Gospels about divorce.
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God doesn't change. The old testament make it very clear about a man lying with another man. Just because Jesus didn't touch on the subject when he was here doesn't mean he changed. Jesus obeys the will of His Father. It clearly states he doesn't change.
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Agreed.

"If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination." (Leviticus 20:13 RSV)

"Their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural, and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in their own persons the due penalty for their error." (Romans 1:26-27 RSV)

"The law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, immoral persons, sodomites, kidnappers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine." (1 Timothy 1:9-10 RSV)

"just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise acted immorally and indulged in unnatural lust, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire." (Jude 1:7 RSV)
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"Jesus NEVER says anything about Gays"

WRONG!

12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. 13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches.

Revelation 22 King James Bible

17 There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel. 18 Thou shalt not bring the hire of a whore, or the price of a dog, into the house of the LORD thy God for any vow: for even both these are abomination unto the LORD thy God.

Deuteronomy 23 King James Bible
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Revelation is some guy fronting and claiming hes channeling Jesus and making shit up in his name.
Jesus didn't visit some loony hermit guy in a cave on Patmos and dictate any addenda for some nutter to broadcast for him as an afterthought.
Jesus went about the people, not designating a hermit to speak for him.

Not everything included as a compilation in a book is true.
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So when it doesn't fit or meet your way of life, you just throw it out. Ok, got it! lol
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It is so very hypocritical but Jesus NEVER says anything about Gays or gay marriage, yet, he definitely goes above and beyond in all 4 Gospels about divorce.
 Quoting: redhed6971


God doesn't change. The old testament make it very clear about a man lying with another man. Just because Jesus didn't touch on the subject when he was here doesn't mean he changed. Jesus obeys the will of His Father. It clearly states he doesn't change.
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Agreed.

"If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination." (Leviticus 20:13 RSV)

"Their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural, and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in their own persons the due penalty for their error." (Romans 1:26-27 RSV)

"The law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, immoral persons, sodomites, kidnappers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine." (1 Timothy 1:9-10 RSV)

"just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise acted immorally and indulged in unnatural lust, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire." (Jude 1:7 RSV)
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Yup, it doesn't get an clearer.
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Of course if this was a Muslim family farm and they proudly favored Sharia Laws there would be no complaints by the State
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Of course. And another example of just how screwed up are the biases of the sociopolitical left. A crowd that likes to believe it's oh-so-tolerant, oh-so-I-care-about-you, are actually among the most cunning, non-compassionate people in society.

But that's what happens when honesty, common sense and integrity are flushed down the toilet---as the sociopolitical left does over and over again.

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Revelation is some guy fronting and claiming hes channeling Jesus and making shit up in his name.
Jesus didn't visit some loony hermit guy in a cave on Patmos and dictate any addenda for some nutter to broadcast for him as an afterthought.
Jesus went about the people, not designating a hermit to speak for him.

Not everything included as a compilation in a book is true.
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A conclusion - based on AZZumptions - derived from speculation / theory.

Revelation can not be "proven", so the academic atheistic non-believers came up with man-made textual analytic "theories" in an attempt to discredit the text.

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these men are men we are proud of

I am glad they took a stance - the right stance
you didn't write that post, someone else did it for you!
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It is so very hypocritical but Jesus NEVER says anything about Gays or gay marriage, yet, he definitely goes above and beyond in all 4 Gospels about divorce.
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God doesn't change. The old testament make it very clear about a man lying with another man. Just because Jesus didn't touch on the subject when he was here doesn't mean he changed. Jesus obeys the will of His Father. It clearly states he doesn't change.
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Agreed.

"If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination." (Leviticus 20:13 RSV)

"Their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural, and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in their own persons the due penalty for their error." (Romans 1:26-27 RSV)

"The law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, immoral persons, sodomites, kidnappers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine." (1 Timothy 1:9-10 RSV)

"just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise acted immorally and indulged in unnatural lust, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire." (Jude 1:7 RSV)
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Yup, it doesn't get an clearer.
 Quoting: A Chosen



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Hogwash.

To "know what _______ is like" has to do with individual "feelings".

"Feelings" are not tangible. A specific "feeling" is not universal. It is unique to only those who have it.

Neither God nor His Son NEED to know "what it's like" for the simple fact that they KNOW that the act / experience / "deed" required ahead of time is a sin.

Sins are tangible as they are prohibited by God's Commandments.


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The only group being attacked for their religious beliefs are Christians. Why don't they go to a mosque and try this? It's has nothing to do with gay rights - it's about destroying Christianity.
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NO TRUER POINT EVER MADE.
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It is so very hypocritical but Jesus NEVER says anything about Gays or gay marriage, yet, he definitely goes above and beyond in all 4 Gospels about divorce.
 Quoting: redhed6971


Nobody cares what witches say? Nobody is tolerating the damaged goods anymore. People are sick of demented people using every excuse they can come up with for what is bullsh*t. Gays are plain toxic bullsh*t.
 Quoting: Timur2020


Adolf Hitler thought he could decide who was a toxic human and decided to get rid of them, you think you have that type intelligence also. God or no God you think you have that right to determine what another human wants to do with their life.
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If you thought about it critically, isn't that what the fags are trying to do by forcing everyone to accept their lifestyle?
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"Jesus NEVER says anything about Gays"

WRONG!

12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. 13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches.

Revelation 22 King James Bible

17 There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel. 18 Thou shalt not bring the hire of a whore, or the price of a dog, into the house of the LORD thy God for any vow: for even both these are abomination unto the LORD thy God.

Deuteronomy 23 King James Bible
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Revelation is some guy fronting and claiming hes channeling Jesus and making shit up in his name.
Jesus didn't visit some loony hermit guy in a cave on Patmos and dictate any addenda for some nutter to broadcast for him as an afterthought.
Jesus went about the people, not designating a hermit to speak for him.

Not everything included as a compilation in a book is true.
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So when it doesn't fit or meet your way of life, you just throw it out. Ok, got it! lol
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The only salient fact that fits is that Revelation doesn't fit with Jesus actions or methods.
Revelation is an obsession with pointless details of others and unimportant things of this world and that is specifically contrary to what Jesus taught.

If you don't understand THAT, you have no right to pretend to be what YOU represent as.
Funny judeochristians think people who don't understand what Jesus was about can still represent for him in his absence.

If It WERE Jesus being channeled by J of Patmos, what he WOULDNT do would be to confuse his followers with gibberish that nobody could do anything about making all the posers run around in circles trying to declare themselves heir to the king.
In the end Revelation, however fun and interesting, is a total distraction from Jesuses teaching and emphasis.
When he was here he taugh about things that people could DO for themselves and for others.
And that was the point.
Revelation speaks with authority for Jesus, exactly as much as I speak with authority for any man.
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It is so very hypocritical but Jesus NEVER says anything about Gays or gay marriage, yet, he definitely goes above and beyond in all 4 Gospels about divorce.
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Nobody cares what witches say? Nobody is tolerating the damaged goods anymore. People are sick of demented people using every excuse they can come up with for what is bullsh*t. Gays are plain toxic bullsh*t.
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Adolf Hitler thought he could decide who was a toxic human and decided to get rid of them, you think you have that type intelligence also. God or no God you think you have that right to determine what another human wants to do with their life.
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If you thought about it critically, isn't that what the fags are trying to do by forcing everyone to accept their lifestyle?
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Interesting is the God of the Bible a God of acceptance/ forgiveness/love or a God of personal preference.
The perception of what is small is (the secret of clear-sightedness);the guarding of what is soft and tender is (the secret of) strength.
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It is so very hypocritical but Jesus NEVER says anything about Gays or gay marriage, yet, he definitely goes above and beyond in all 4 Gospels about divorce.
 Quoting: redhed6971


God doesn't change. The old testament make it very clear about a man lying with another man. Just because Jesus didn't touch on the subject when he was here doesn't mean he changed. Jesus obeys the will of His Father. It clearly states he doesn't change.
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Agreed.

"If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination." (Leviticus 20:13 RSV)

"Their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural, and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in their own persons the due penalty for their error." (Romans 1:26-27 RSV)

"The law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, immoral persons, sodomites, kidnappers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine." (1 Timothy 1:9-10 RSV)

"just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise acted immorally and indulged in unnatural lust, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire." (Jude 1:7 RSV)
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I guess none of you bother to notice that much of Leviticus laws ARE IS EXACT OPPOSITION TO JESUS TEACHINGS>

Leviticus is law for NON Christians, and cannot be followed by Christians.

If you don't understand why, then you didn't read LEVITICUS with any comprehension.

Leviticus is law for old testament believers, which are, exactly who are persecuting Christians BY USING LEVITICAL LAWS.

Idiots...
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It is so very hypocritical but Jesus NEVER says anything about Gays or gay marriage, yet, he definitely goes above and beyond in all 4 Gospels about divorce.
 Quoting: redhed6971


God doesn't change. The old testament make it very clear about a man lying with another man. Just because Jesus didn't touch on the subject when he was here doesn't mean he changed. Jesus obeys the will of His Father. It clearly states he doesn't change.
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Agreed.

"If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination." (Leviticus 20:13 RSV)

"Their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural, and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in their own persons the due penalty for their error." (Romans 1:26-27 RSV)

"The law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, immoral persons, sodomites, kidnappers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine." (1 Timothy 1:9-10 RSV)

"just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise acted immorally and indulged in unnatural lust, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire." (Jude 1:7 RSV)
 Quoting: horticulture


I guess none of you bother to notice that much of Leviticus laws ARE IS EXACT OPPOSITION TO JESUS TEACHINGS>

Leviticus is law for NON Christians, and cannot be followed by Christians.

If you don't understand why, then you didn't read LEVITICUS with any comprehension.

Leviticus is law for old testament believers, which are, exactly who are persecuting Christians BY USING LEVITICAL LAWS.

Talk about picking and choosing laws, frauds and fakes, read Leviticus and see for yourself.
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How can old testament LAWS, clearly in opposition to Jesus teaching and example in fundamental ways, still be appropriate for obedience, when those laws are specific and COMMAND to waging war against Christians in the first place.

READ it and THEN get back to us with your fake and convoluted excuses about how evil and corrupt Levitical laws are somehow congruent with what Jesus said.
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"Jesus NEVER says anything about Gays"

WRONG!

12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. 13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches.

Revelation 22 King James Bible

17 There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel. 18 Thou shalt not bring the hire of a whore, or the price of a dog, into the house of the LORD thy God for any vow: for even both these are abomination unto the LORD thy God.

Deuteronomy 23 King James Bible
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75810200


Revelation is some guy fronting and claiming hes channeling Jesus and making shit up in his name.
Jesus didn't visit some loony hermit guy in a cave on Patmos and dictate any addenda for some nutter to broadcast for him as an afterthought.
Jesus went about the people, not designating a hermit to speak for him.

Not everything included as a compilation in a book is true.
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So when it doesn't fit or meet your way of life, you just throw it out. Ok, got it! lol
 Quoting: A Chosen


The only salient fact that fits is that Revelation doesn't fit with Jesus actions or methods.
Revelation is an obsession with pointless details of others and unimportant things of this world and that is specifically contrary to what Jesus taught.

If you don't understand THAT, you have no right to pretend to be what YOU represent as.
Funny judeochristians think people who don't understand what Jesus was about can still represent for him in his absence.

If It WERE Jesus being channeled by J of Patmos, what he WOULDNT do would be to confuse his followers with gibberish that nobody could do anything about making all the posers run around in circles trying to declare themselves heir to the king.
In the end Revelation, however fun and interesting, is a total distraction from Jesuses teaching and emphasis.
When he was here he taugh about things that people could DO for themselves and for others.
And that was the point.
Revelation speaks with authority for Jesus, exactly as much as I speak with authority for any man.
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You lost me at judeo christians. Those words should never be used in the same sentence. It shows your lack of understanding. I'm very aware of what God spoke in the OT and what Jesus said in the NT. The problem today is people don't read. They have become complacent and lazy. They repeat what they hear like mockingbirds but don't verify it for themselves. The majority believe the OT is well old and has been replaced bu the NT. On the contrary, if one doesn't grasp the OT, they will not fully grasp the NT. Paul alone quotes nearly 35 percent of the OT. If the OT is done way with, why does it quote from it? Why did Jesus quote from it?

Again, basing everything on your opinion. That's fine if you want to believe it. I don't.