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When was Christ born and when was he baptised? The Year, Month, and Day. Revealed at last!

 
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Cannot be 1 BC. John began his ministry at 30 years old in the 15 year of the co-regent reign of Tiberius. That was 11-25 AD. John would have only been 25 years old if he and Jesus were born in 1 BC. You have to push it back 5 years from there to get Jesus 30 years old when he began his ministry as Luke said he was.

He could not possibly have been born in 1 BC, and yes, Herod died in March of 4 BC.
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Cassius Dio said a total solar eclipse visiible in Rome happened shortly before Augustus died. There was no solar eclipse on 14 AD, but there was one on 17 AD.

Historians are wrong when the dated Augustus' death 3 years too early.
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Ok, I'll grant you that. Let's say Augustus died in AD 17.

How does that fact in any way change the 15th year of the co-regent reign of Tiberius which began in AD 11?

Answer: it doesn't. Luke doesn't date from Augustus. He dates from Tiberius.

You still have to go back to 6 BC to get the nativity.
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Tiberius' coregency with Augustus started 2 years before Augustus died, which was on 15 AD.

Thus, Tiberius' 15th year starting from his coregency was from 29 AD upto 30 AD, which was when Christ was baptised.
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I applaud your research OP, but, I just cut to the chase and asked Jesus when He was born. There is a God in heaven who reveals secrets. I received the answer, September 11th on our calendar. Makes sense. That's why we call 911 for help. He told me the year but it was a long time ago and I don't remember. 2,3 or 4 b.c. He started his ministry when he was 30. Yes, he told me that.
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Cannot be 1 BC. John began his ministry at 30 years old in the 15 year of the co-regent reign of Tiberius. That was 11-25 AD. John would have only been 25 years old if he and Jesus were born in 1 BC. You have to push it back 5 years from there to get Jesus 30 years old when he began his ministry as Luke said he was.

He could not possibly have been born in 1 BC, and yes, Herod died in March of 4 BC.
 Quoting: anastasis888

Cassius Dio said a total solar eclipse visiible in Rome happened shortly before Augustus died. There was no solar eclipse on 14 AD, but there was one on 17 AD.

Historians are wrong when the dated Augustus' death 3 years too early.
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Ok, I'll grant you that. Let's say Augustus died in AD 17.

How does that fact in any way change the 15th year of the co-regent reign of Tiberius which began in AD 11?

Answer: it doesn't. Luke doesn't date from Augustus. He dates from Tiberius.

You still have to go back to 6 BC to get the nativity.
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Tiberius' coregency with Augustus started 2 years before Augustus died, which was on 15 AD.

Thus, Tiberius' 15th year starting from his coregency was from 29 AD upto 30 AD, which was when Christ was baptised.
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No, Tiberius' coregency began in AD 11. His 15th year of rule would have been AD 25 by accession year count which Luke would have used. John would have turned 30 in June of AD 25. Jesus was baptised in the summer of AD 26 right before the start of the year of jubilee from Rosh Hashanah AD 26 to Rosh Hashanah 27.

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Cannot be 1 BC. John began his ministry at 30 years old in the 15 year of the co-regent reign of Tiberius. That was 11-25 AD. John would have only been 25 years old if he and Jesus were born in 1 BC. You have to push it back 5 years from there to get Jesus 30 years old when he began his ministry as Luke said he was.

He could not possibly have been born in 1 BC, and yes, Herod died in March of 4 BC.
 Quoting: anastasis888

Cassius Dio said a total solar eclipse visiible in Rome happened shortly before Augustus died. There was no solar eclipse on 14 AD, but there was one on 17 AD.

Historians are wrong when the dated Augustus' death 3 years too early.
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Ok, I'll grant you that. Let's say Augustus died in AD 17.

How does that fact in any way change the 15th year of the co-regent reign of Tiberius which began in AD 11?

Answer: it doesn't. Luke doesn't date from Augustus. He dates from Tiberius.

You still have to go back to 6 BC to get the nativity.
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Tiberius' coregency with Augustus started 2 years before Augustus died, which was on 15 AD.

Thus, Tiberius' 15th year starting from his coregency was from 29 AD upto 30 AD, which was when Christ was baptised.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77560217

Without the 3 year correction due to error in dating Augustus' death, according to wikipedia, quoting Seutonius' work, Tiberius coregency started 2 years before Augustus died:
Thus, according to Suetonius, these ceremonies and the declaration of his "co-princeps" took place in the year 12 AD, after Tiberius' return from Germania. "But he was at once recalled, and finding Augustus in his last illness but still alive, he spent an entire day with him in private." Augustus died in AD 14, a month before his 76th birthday.
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Cannot be 1 BC. John began his ministry at 30 years old in the 15 year of the co-regent reign of Tiberius. That was 11-25 AD. John would have only been 25 years old if he and Jesus were born in 1 BC. You have to push it back 5 years from there to get Jesus 30 years old when he began his ministry as Luke said he was.

He could not possibly have been born in 1 BC, and yes, Herod died in March of 4 BC.
 Quoting: anastasis888

Cassius Dio said a total solar eclipse visiible in Rome happened shortly before Augustus died. There was no solar eclipse on 14 AD, but there was one on 17 AD.

Historians are wrong when the dated Augustus' death 3 years too early.
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Ok, I'll grant you that. Let's say Augustus died in AD 17.

How does that fact in any way change the 15th year of the co-regent reign of Tiberius which began in AD 11?

Answer: it doesn't. Luke doesn't date from Augustus. He dates from Tiberius.

You still have to go back to 6 BC to get the nativity.
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Tiberius' coregency with Augustus started 2 years before Augustus died, which was on 15 AD.

Thus, Tiberius' 15th year starting from his coregency was from 29 AD upto 30 AD, which was when Christ was baptised.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77560217

Without the 3 year correction due to error in dating Augustus' death, according to wikipedia, quoting Seutonius' work, Tiberius coregency started 2 years before Augustus died:
Thus, according to Suetonius, these ceremonies and the declaration of his "co-princeps" took place in the year 12 AD, after Tiberius' return from Germania. "But he was at once recalled, and finding Augustus in his last illness but still alive, he spent an entire day with him in private." Augustus died in AD 14, a month before his 76th birthday.
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Then Wiki is wrong. The first accession coregent year of Tiberius Caesar was AD 11. And that is how Luke would have counted it.

Luke’s perspective on the “reign” of Annas indicates that he would view the reign of Tiberius in a similar manner. That is, viewing his co-regency with Augustus as functionally reigning. Thus, the “reign” of Tiberius through co-regency with Augustus would have started in A.D. 11,
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Then Wiki is wrong. The first accession coregent year of Tiberius Caesar was AD 11. And that is how Luke would have counted it.
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Wiki was quoting Seutonius, a Roman historian belonging to the equestrian order who wrote during the early Imperial era of the Roman Empire.
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He was at par with Josephus, when it comes to Roman history.
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Then Wiki is wrong. The first accession coregent year of Tiberius Caesar was AD 11. And that is how Luke would have counted it.
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Wiki was quoting Seutonius, a Roman historian belonging to the equestrian order who wrote during the early Imperial era of the Roman Empire.
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He was at par with Josephus, when it comes to Roman history.
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You are missing the point. We are going on how Luke dates things, not Seutonius.

And we can know exactly how he dates things by his dating of Annas the priest.

Start using Luke to date Luke. He dates in the common post-exilic Jewish manner, which is to count any part of a day as a day, any part of a month as a month, and any part of a year as a year.

Ergo, you still have to go back to 6 BC to find the nativity of Christ.

And Luke's 15th year of Tiberius would be AD 25, because he is counting AD 11 as one year of co-regency.

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You now have all the information you need to arrive at the star of Christ. I commend you to the truth and to God. Go seek the child and his mother above, and then you will find them below as well.



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You now have all the information you need to arrive at the star of Christ. I commend you to the truth and to God. Go seek the child and his mother above, and then you will find them below as well.


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I will be making another video that will positively identify the Star of Bethlehem.
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You now have all the information you need to arrive at the star of Christ. I commend you to the truth and to God. Go seek the child and his mother above, and then you will find them below as well.

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I will be making another video that will positively identify the Star of Bethlehem.
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You will find it above Bethlehem, Judea on the night of December 17-18 6 BC. It is the star that becomes stationary above where the child was. Look about 11:30 pm. There you will see the child held by his mother in the house.

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Luke tells us that Christ was about 30 years old when he was baptized:
Now Jesus himself was about thirty years old when he began his ministry.
 Quoting: Luke 3: 1-3, 21-23


Now how many days expired between Christ’s baptism when he was just about 30 years old, and the wedding at Cana when Christ turned 30 years old after sundown of that wedding day?

The gospels of Matthew, Luke, and Mark narrated Christ’s baptism in parallel passages. While Christ’s 40 days fasting in the wilderness that followed his baptism was narrated by the gospels of Matthew and Luke. But it was only the gospel of John that narrated the events that happened immediately after Christ’s 40 days of fasting ended, until the wedding in Cana took place.

And according to John’s gospel, the wedding at Cana happened 5 days after Christ finished his 40 days fasting, which was also 45 days after his baptism.
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Now as I discussed earlier, Christ’s 30th birth anniversary actually started after sundown of the wedding day at Cana, which according to the Jewish way of reckoning time, was also the start of the following day. Thus, based on the Hebrew calendar, Christ’s 30th birth anniversary was 46 days after his baptism.

And this means, if we know the exact date of Christ’s baptism, then we can also determine the exact date of Christ’s birth anniversary.
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Now Luke mentioned that during Christ’s baptism and “as he was praying, heaven was opened”. I believe the expression “heaven was opened” whenever used in the Bible, always refer to a time when a solar eclipse was taking place; and the stars that were hidden by the glare of the Sun becomes temporarily visible during the eclipse.

On Nov 24, 29 AD and at 2:15 in the afternoon Jerusalem time, a total solar eclipse occurred that was visible in Israel. Please notice how shortly before the eclipse, Venus was barely visible in the day sky, but as the eclipse reached its maximum, Venus became significantly brighter and quite visible. Thus, just as Luke described it, it was as though heaven was opened to reveal Venus as the bright morning star. And it was probably this event that made Christ to start associating himself with a morning star:
16 “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.”
 Quoting: Revelation 22

For this reason, I believe Christ was baptised on November 24, 29 AD at exactly 2:15 in the afternoon, Jerusalem time. Now I mentioned earlier, that Christ’s 30th birth anniversary was 46 days after his baptism, and this means Christ turned 30 years old on January 9, 30 AD.

These dates, i.e., November 24, 29 AD for Christ’s baptism and January 9, 30 AD for Christ’s 30th birth anniversary, were all in Julian Calendar. Their corresponding dates in Gregorian Calendar are November 22, 29 AD for Christ’s baptism and January 7, 30 AD for Christ’s 30th birth anniversary. Interestingly, Orthodox Christians in central and eastern Europe and other parts of the world celebrate Christmas on January 7. Was it a coincidence, or were the Orthodox Christians holding on to tradition passed on to them by the early followers of Christ?
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It is true that the first regnal co-regent year of Tiberius was AD 12. Yet Augustus had ordered such, along with the vote of the Senate after Tiberius had returned from Gaul in AD 11. It is from the decree of Augustus in AD 11 that Luke counts Tiberius' rule: from his accession year, not regnal year. The ceremony may have been in AD 12, but the decree was in AD 11. Therefore, the 15th year of Tiberius is AD 25 by Luke's reckoning. Therefore, the Nativity must have been in 6 BC.

Velleius Paterculus, Roman History 2.121

After he had broken the force of the enemy by his expeditions on sea and land, had completed his difficult task in Gaul, and had settled by restraint rather than by punishment the dissensions that had broken out among the Viennenses, at the request of his father that he should have in all the provinces and armies a power equal to his own, the senate and Roman people so decreed.
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Christ is clearly baptised at the time of Wheat Harvest around summer solstice of AD 26 shortly before he begins his ministry that autumn on Jubilee year (26-27).

The imagery of the Baptism by Fire at the height of the Sun and the cleansing of the threshing floor and gathering of wheat into the Garner give strong indications that Christ is baptised shortly after Pentecost in June. Moreover, Christian baptism was instituted on the day of Pentecost in June of AD 29 after the Resurrection and Ascension of Christ.

This is Christ receiving the Holy Spirit and shining as the Sun in His Strength, and the timing of around summer solstice is not by mistake.

At his Nativity, Christ is circumcised as the Newborn Sun of Winter Solstice in his power of Earth.

At his Baptism, Christ is shown to be the Summer Solstice Sun in his power of Fire and Spirit.

At his Jubilee Annunciation, Christ is shown to be the Autumnal Equinox Sun of Rectification in his power of Air of the Gospel.

At his Passion and Resurrection, Christ is shown to be the Resurrected Sun of Vernal Equinox in his power of the Water & Blood. And his acts in all ways and at all times and seasons show him to be the Light of the World.

Jesus is the White Sun of Midday and Summer Solstice and Wheat Harvest. He is the Sun in His Strength. He is the Lord of Harvest.

Revelation 1
14His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; 15And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters. 16And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.

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The Day of Pentecost had already come by November of 29. You're nearly 4 years too late for the baptism and ministry of Christ.

However, the eclipse is portentous of the great shaking that was occuring after the Day of Pentecost.


Acts 2 - Day of Pentecost Sunday, June 6, AD 29
But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words: 15For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day. 16But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;

17And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

18And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

19And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:

20The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and terrible day of the Lord come:

21And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.


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Now, just for the sake of argument, let's say that Tiberius was not officially co-princeps until September 18th, AD 12 at the formal ceremony as Tacitus and Seutonius relate. The latest date for Jesus baptism you can still derive is AD 26, the very year Jesus was baptized.

In truth, Augustus had already decreed Tiberius as co-princeps after his return from Gaul in late AD 11 and he served one accession year before his first regnal year. Ok, fine. However, if Mommsen's explanation of this does not suffice, then let's go with Sept. 18, AD 12. You still can only come up with AD 26 for the 15th co-regent year of Tiberius based upon Luke's reckoning.

1 - 12
2 - 13
3 - 14
4 - 15
5 - 16
6 - 17
7 - 18
8 - 19
9 - 20
10 - 21
11 - 22
12 - 23
13 - 24
14 - 25
15 - 26

And if Jesus is already 30 years old this year, then he must have been born in 6 BC, which he was the night of December 17-18 at the Jupiter stationary transit to be exact.


Luke 3 - The coming of John the Baptist in the Judean wilderness in the 15th year of Tiberius, AD 25-26

1Now in the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar, Pontius Pilate being governor of Judaea, and Herod being tetrarch of Galilee, and his brother Philip tetrarch of Ituraea and of the region of Trachonitis, and Lysanias the tetrarch of Abilene, 2Annas and Caiaphas being the high priests, the word of God came unto John the son of Zacharias in the wilderness. 3And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins;

4As it is written in the book of the words of Esaias the prophet, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.

5Every valley shall be filled, and every mountain and hill shall be brought low; and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough ways shall be made smooth;

6And all flesh shall see the salvation of God.


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Now, just for the sake of argument, let's say that Tiberius was not officially co-princeps until September 18th, AD 12 at the formal ceremony as Tacitus and Seutonius relate. The latest date for Jesus baptism you can still derive is AD 26, the very year Jesus was baptized.

In truth, Augustus had already decreed Tiberius as co-princeps after his return from Gaul in late of AD 11 and he served one accession year before his first regnal year. Ok, fine. However, if Mommsen's explanation of this does not suffice, then let's go with Sept. 18, AD 12. You still can only come up with AD 26 for the 15th accession year of Tiberius based upon Luke's reckoning.

1 - 12
2 - 13
3 - 14
4 - 15
5 - 16
6 - 17
7 - 18
8 - 19
9 - 20
10 - 21
11 - 22
12 - 23
13 - 24
14 - 25
15 - 26

And if Jesus is already 30 years old this year, then he must have been born in 6 BC, which he was the night of December 17-18 at the Jupiter stationary transit to be exact.
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The co-regency of Tiberius which modern historians dated on 12 AD was 3 years too early, so the correct date of Tiberius' co-regency was actually on 15 AD instead. And Tiberius' 15th year was on 29-30 AD.
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Now, just for the sake of argument, let's say that Tiberius was not officially co-princeps until September 18th, AD 12 at the formal ceremony as Tacitus and Seutonius relate. The latest date for Jesus baptism you can still derive is AD 26, the very year Jesus was baptized.

In truth, Augustus had already decreed Tiberius as co-princeps after his return from Gaul in late of AD 11 and he served one accession year before his first regnal year. Ok, fine. However, if Mommsen's explanation of this does not suffice, then let's go with Sept. 18, AD 12. You still can only come up with AD 26 for the 15th accession year of Tiberius based upon Luke's reckoning.

1 - 12
2 - 13
3 - 14
4 - 15
5 - 16
6 - 17
7 - 18
8 - 19
9 - 20
10 - 21
11 - 22
12 - 23
13 - 24
14 - 25
15 - 26

And if Jesus is already 30 years old this year, then he must have been born in 6 BC, which he was the night of December 17-18 at the Jupiter stationary transit to be exact.
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The co-regency of Tiberius which modern historians dated on 12 AD was 3 years too early, so the correct date of Tiberius' co-regency was actually on 15 AD instead. And Tiberius' 15th year was on 29-30 AD.
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Ok, let's back up. How are you establishing that it was 3 years too early?

Did the 42nd year of the Battle of Actium change somewhere too?

Are you saying that all the well established campaigns in Gaul are all dated wrong, and the Battle of Actium too?

You're having to do a lot of funny math here and change a lot history to come up with your 29 baptism year. Plus, you're 3 years past the beginning of the year of Jubilee, which can be proven to have been AD 26-27 from Josephus alone.

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Now, just for the sake of argument, let's say that Tiberius was not officially co-princeps until September 18th, AD 12 at the formal ceremony as Tacitus and Seutonius relate. The latest date for Jesus baptism you can still derive is AD 26, the very year Jesus was baptized.

In truth, Augustus had already decreed Tiberius as co-princeps after his return from Gaul in late of AD 11 and he served one accession year before his first regnal year. Ok, fine. However, if Mommsen's explanation of this does not suffice, then let's go with Sept. 18, AD 12. You still can only come up with AD 26 for the 15th accession year of Tiberius based upon Luke's reckoning.

1 - 12
2 - 13
3 - 14
4 - 15
5 - 16
6 - 17
7 - 18
8 - 19
9 - 20
10 - 21
11 - 22
12 - 23
13 - 24
14 - 25
15 - 26

And if Jesus is already 30 years old this year, then he must have been born in 6 BC, which he was the night of December 17-18 at the Jupiter stationary transit to be exact.
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The co-regency of Tiberius which modern historians dated on 12 AD was 3 years too early, so the correct date of Tiberius' co-regency was actually on 15 AD instead. And Tiberius' 15th year was on 29-30 AD.
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Ok, let's back up. How are you establishing that it was 3 years too early?

Did the 42nd year of the Battle of Actium change somewhere too?

Are you saying that all the well established campaigns in Gaul are all dated wrong, and the Battle of Actium too?

You're having to do a lot of funny math here and change a lot history to come up with your 29 baptism year. Plus, you're 3 years past the beginning of the year of Jubilee, which can be proven to have been AD 26-27 from Josephus alone.
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I already told you, Cassius Dio said a total solar eclipse visible in Rome occurred just before Augustus' death. No such eclipse occurred on the wrong historical date 14 AD, but there was one on 17 AD. And this is why Roman historical dates were 3 years too early during Christ's time.
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Now, just for the sake of argument, let's say that Tiberius was not officially co-princeps until September 18th, AD 12 at the formal ceremony as Tacitus and Seutonius relate. The latest date for Jesus baptism you can still derive is AD 26, the very year Jesus was baptized.

In truth, Augustus had already decreed Tiberius as co-princeps after his return from Gaul in late of AD 11 and he served one accession year before his first regnal year. Ok, fine. However, if Mommsen's explanation of this does not suffice, then let's go with Sept. 18, AD 12. You still can only come up with AD 26 for the 15th accession year of Tiberius based upon Luke's reckoning.

1 - 12
2 - 13
3 - 14
4 - 15
5 - 16
6 - 17
7 - 18
8 - 19
9 - 20
10 - 21
11 - 22
12 - 23
13 - 24
14 - 25
15 - 26

And if Jesus is already 30 years old this year, then he must have been born in 6 BC, which he was the night of December 17-18 at the Jupiter stationary transit to be exact.
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The co-regency of Tiberius which modern historians dated on 12 AD was 3 years too early, so the correct date of Tiberius' co-regency was actually on 15 AD instead. And Tiberius' 15th year was on 29-30 AD.
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Ok, let's back up. How are you establishing that it was 3 years too early?

Did the 42nd year of the Battle of Actium change somewhere too?

Are you saying that all the well established campaigns in Gaul are all dated wrong, and the Battle of Actium too?

You're having to do a lot of funny math here and change a lot history to come up with your 29 baptism year. Plus, you're 3 years past the beginning of the year of Jubilee, which can be proven to have been AD 26-27 from Josephus alone.
 Quoting: anastasis888

I already told you, Cassius Dio said a total solar eclipse visible in Rome occurred just before Augustus' death. No such eclipse occurred on the wrong historical date 14 AD, but there was one on 17 AD. And this is why Roman historical dates were 3 years too early during Christ's time.
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Ok, that's completely irrational. Moving the date of Augustus up to a visible solar eclipse in Rome in AD 17 in no way moves Tiberius up three years with it. The campaigns in Gaul from 9-10 are dated on their own sources, not an eclipse in 17.

You're trying to base all of this on the possible death date of Augustus in 17 rather than the historical fact of the confirmation of Tiberius on Sept. 18, AD 12.

And that's where you're making your mistake.

That's where this thesis falls apart.

Any graduate theology professor would tell you to go start over from square one and fix it.

Your date of the eclipse and Augustus' death in 17 may be well founded. But your date for Tiberius is not.

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This video discusses the 2 years error caused by confusion over Tiberius' co-regency with Augustus, and when these 2 years error was corrected.

My conclusion on this video was that Roman historical dates that were dated using the terms of office of Roman consuls as calendar epoch, and which were from 5 AD and earlier was 1 year too early because of the 1 year error cause by a faulty Olympiad calendar that was dated 1 year too early.

While Roman historical dates that were dated using the terms of office of Roman consuls as calendar epoch, and which were from 6 AD onward were 3 years too early because of the combined errors of the faulty Olympiad calendar and the confusion over Tiberius co-regency with Augustus.

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The co-regency of Tiberius which modern historians dated on 12 AD was 3 years too early, so the correct date of Tiberius' co-regency was actually on 15 AD instead. And Tiberius' 15th year was on 29-30 AD.
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Ok, let's back up. How are you establishing that it was 3 years too early?

Did the 42nd year of the Battle of Actium change somewhere too?

Are you saying that all the well established campaigns in Gaul are all dated wrong, and the Battle of Actium too?

You're having to do a lot of funny math here and change a lot history to come up with your 29 baptism year. Plus, you're 3 years past the beginning of the year of Jubilee, which can be proven to have been AD 26-27 from Josephus alone.
 Quoting: anastasis888

I already told you, Cassius Dio said a total solar eclipse visible in Rome occurred just before Augustus' death. No such eclipse occurred on the wrong historical date 14 AD, but there was one on 17 AD. And this is why Roman historical dates were 3 years too early during Christ's time.
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Ok, that's completely irrational. Moving the date of Augustus up to a visible solar eclipse in Rome in AD 17 in no way moves Tiberius up three years with it. The campaigns in Gaul from 9-10 are dated on their own sources, not an eclipse in 17.

You're trying to base all of this on the possible death date of Augustus in 17 rather than the historical fact of the confirmation of Tiberius on Sept. 18, AD 12.

And that's where you're making your mistake.

That's where this thesis falls apart.

Any graduate theology professor would tell you to go start over from square one and fix it.

Your date of the eclipse and Augustus' death in 17 may be well founded. But your date for Tiberius is not.
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Seutonius work made it clear Tiberius' co-regency with Augustus was 2 years before Augustus died. Thus, moving Augustus' death 3 years later also moves Tiberius' co-regency with Augustus 3 years later.
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Actually, the Olympiad calendar is dated 4 years too late today. The first Olympiad was 779-776 BC. Most people make the mistake of taking 776 as the first year of the first Olympiad, which it most certainly was not. The first year of the first Olympiad is 779.

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Ok, let's back up. How are you establishing that it was 3 years too early?

Did the 42nd year of the Battle of Actium change somewhere too?

Are you saying that all the well established campaigns in Gaul are all dated wrong, and the Battle of Actium too?

You're having to do a lot of funny math here and change a lot history to come up with your 29 baptism year. Plus, you're 3 years past the beginning of the year of Jubilee, which can be proven to have been AD 26-27 from Josephus alone.
 Quoting: anastasis888

I already told you, Cassius Dio said a total solar eclipse visible in Rome occurred just before Augustus' death. No such eclipse occurred on the wrong historical date 14 AD, but there was one on 17 AD. And this is why Roman historical dates were 3 years too early during Christ's time.
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Ok, that's completely irrational. Moving the date of Augustus up to a visible solar eclipse in Rome in AD 17 in no way moves Tiberius up three years with it. The campaigns in Gaul from 9-10 are dated on their own sources, not an eclipse in 17.

You're trying to base all of this on the possible death date of Augustus in 17 rather than the historical fact of the confirmation of Tiberius on Sept. 18, AD 12.

And that's where you're making your mistake.

That's where this thesis falls apart.

Any graduate theology professor would tell you to go start over from square one and fix it.

Your date of the eclipse and Augustus' death in 17 may be well founded. But your date for Tiberius is not.
 Quoting: anastasis888

Seutonius work made it clear Tiberius' co-regency with Augustus was 2 years before Augustus died. Thus, moving Augustus' death 3 years later also moves Tiberius' co-regency with Augustus 3 years later.
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But you aren't actually using Seutonius to build your argument. Your using Cassius Dio.

Now, give the full quote of Cassius Dio on the eclipse and the Olympiad year.

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I already told you, Cassius Dio said a total solar eclipse visible in Rome occurred just before Augustus' death. No such eclipse occurred on the wrong historical date 14 AD, but there was one on 17 AD. And this is why Roman historical dates were 3 years too early during Christ's time.
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Ok, that's completely irrational. Moving the date of Augustus up to a visible solar eclipse in Rome in AD 17 in no way moves Tiberius up three years with it. The campaigns in Gaul from 9-10 are dated on their own sources, not an eclipse in 17.

You're trying to base all of this on the possible death date of Augustus in 17 rather than the historical fact of the confirmation of Tiberius on Sept. 18, AD 12.

And that's where you're making your mistake.

That's where this thesis falls apart.

Any graduate theology professor would tell you to go start over from square one and fix it.

Your date of the eclipse and Augustus' death in 17 may be well founded. But your date for Tiberius is not.
 Quoting: anastasis888

Seutonius work made it clear Tiberius' co-regency with Augustus was 2 years before Augustus died. Thus, moving Augustus' death 3 years later also moves Tiberius' co-regency with Augustus 3 years later.
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But you aren't actually using Seutonius to build your argument. Your using Cassius Dio.

Now, give the full quote of Cassius Dio on the eclipse and the Olympiad year.
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Don't be lazy, watch the video, all the links and quotes are shown there.
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Provide the quote by Cassius Dio in writing in this thread on the eclipse preceding the death of Augustus.

This is your thesis. So, present it and defend it. I'm not wading through movies. And I'm not doing your work for you.

Your entire thesis hinges on this one quote by Cassius Dio.

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Provide the quote by Cassius Dio in writing in this thread on the eclipse preceding the death of Augustus.

This is your thesis. So, present it and defend it. I'm not wading through movies. And I'm not doing your work for you.

Your entire thesis hinges on this one quote by Cassius Dio.
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Well lazy person, here is the quote for Cassius Dio:
Cassius Dio “Roman History”, Book 56, Chapter 29: 2-5
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I hope you are intelligent enough to find the correct chapter and the paragraph though.
2 For in the following year, when Sextus Apuleius and Sextus Pompeius were consuls, Augustus set out for Campania, and after superintending the games at Neapolis, passed away shortly afterward at Nola. p67 Indeed, not a few omens had appeared, and these by no means difficult of interpretation, all pointing to this fate for him. 3 Thus, the sun suffered a total eclipse and most of the sky seemed to be on fire; glowing embers appeared to be falling from it and blood-red comets were seen. When a meeting of the senate had been appointed on account of the emperor's illness, in order that they might offer prayers, the senate-house was found closed and an owl sitting on it hooted. 4 A thunderbolt fell upon his statue that stood upon the Capitol and blotted out the first letter of the name "Caesar." This led the seers to declare that on the hundredth day after that he should attain to some divine state. They deduced this from the fact that the letter "C" signifies "one hundred" among the Latins, and the remainder of the word means "god" among the Etruscans. 5 Now these signs appeared beforehand while he was still alive;
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5 Thus on the nineteenth day of August, the day on which he had first become consul, he passed away, having lived seventy-five years, ten months, and twenty-six days (he had been born on the twenty-third of September), and having been sole ruler, from the time of his victory at Actium forty-four years lacking thirteen days. - Cassius Dio
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That would be August 19, AD 14. The common and well established date for the death of Augustus.

Do you not think it far more likely that Cassius Dio made a mistake in his date for the calculation of the eclipse, or will you now try to move up the date of the Battle of Actium 3 years?

Those are basically your options. Either Cassius Dio made a calculation error in his eclipse, or every ancient historian we have is 3 years too early in the Battle of Actium.

Which other ancient historian mentions this eclipse so close to the death of Augustus?

And remember, Cassius Dio is most likely still working from the chronology based upon the 4 year error of Dionysius Exiguus for the beginning the Christian era, which means he would have in fact calculated an eclipse for 17 thinking that to be the year of the death of Augustus.

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Looks like Dio's eclipse is the one on the 15th of February AD 17 at 12:30:45 in the Mediterranean.

That proves Dio is working off of the 4 year error of Exiguus. That means all his Olympiads must be moved back 4 years. Actually, that eclipse information proves helpful for establishing the nativity of Christ in 6 BC. That proves beyond a doubt that Dio was using the 4 year chronology error. His calculations were correct; his years were wrong.

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