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The hopeless feeling I get living in California. Here is my story of living here.

 
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well to each his/her own, be sure to trade that convertable in for a snow shovel on your way out.
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If you vote Democrat, you'll be happier in a Sanctuary State. In other words, Don't move here; we're doing just fine, thank you, with our own set of circumstances that do not resemble socialism in the least.
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If they’re a bunch of liberals they’re probably against guns or any other weaponry at least, so see what I’m getting at lol
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The maggot leftist liberals LOVE the shithole's they've created. Only the moderate ones run to other states and then in desperation they vote for more maggot leftist liberals in their new states because they feel guilty because the conservatives make more sense.

Yeah, it makes a sick sort of sense. Devotion to their party that sort of thing.
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I was in Bakersfield recently and gas was $2.79 a gallon.

So I'm not sure it was so much a gas tax as local San Diego stations overcharging for gas.
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It is $3.79 plus tax here.
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$4.20, ironically, in the Bay Area today for cheapest gas...
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I hear you & understand. What you are describing is why I left Orange County in 2006. Five years was enough for me and I can't help feeling I got in on the last few good years in CA. Gas began skyrocketing around that time along with the population....which went from bad to worse. I also hear you about beach traffic. Until you live in a beach city, you will never understand. It is a paradise September - May and then 3 long months of hell.
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^^^^
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I left Sacramento in 2004, for many of the same reasons.

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I grew up there. You are an idiot for moving there on purpose. I left many years ago. Once the government there implodes, and it will, I will move back.
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Have your bug out bag handy. When the quake hits you'll have to walk out.
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Have your bug out bag handy. When the quake hits you'll have to walk out.
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Lots of truth to that....
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OH great another poor poor conservative snowflake cry my eyes out I hate liberals they ruin everything and took muh jobs thread.
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Live in the Midwest, eatern Ohio. i recently visited Northern California, (humboldt cty) what a hole. even a little crap town like Eureka was just a sea of vagrants. Stopped by the local mall, 20-30 vagrants at every door. Everyone I knew was spending over half their take home pay to not live near the worst of it. WHY? I live like a king in the midwest. Some people will do anything to not live in their hometown I guess.
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Oh you guys this is all so sad and scary. I am up on the coast of the Pacific Northwest. I'm near Bellingham Washington. It is known to be one of the most extreme examples of high cost of living and low wages. Someone told me that it is the 8th most expensive city in the United States. This happened in the last ten years, maybe in the last 5 years or even less.

When you walk down the street it is so depressing. The better weather in the last couple of weeks have brought the homeless back - it's just starting. We had kind of a cold winter so we had a little break. I'm thinking this year is going to be the worst ever. Two years ago I was ready to flee it was so scary with crazy people having meltdowns everywhere you went.

All I see is really down and out people, it's so sad. Nothing is uplifting or inspiring. Everything just makes you want to hide inside. Sometimes I don't even want to look out the window because all it is is people digging through the trash and pissing by the dumpsters. It wasn't like this when I moved here.

I swear up here near the Canadian border is the only last place on the entire West Coast that isn't completely ruined yet. But it's happening fast.
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I’m the east side of Seattle. It is polar opposite of Seattle to Bellevue. Seattle is a Hillary armpit while Bellevue is very clean and seems safe. I give it a year for more homeless and druggies to make it over the water. I no longer go to Seattle. A 30 trip there is no an hour and a half. Dirty, druggies, traffics, expensive and depressing.

If this keeps up, these major demoncratic cities will die.
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Needs to be mandatory re-education not only for immigrants from the 3rd world, but for those moving from blue states to red.

"This is why your state/country of origin is a sh*thole. You will register and vote Republican or Independent, or you will not be allowed in. AND, we'll know. If you change your voter registration back to Democrat, you will be deported back to your state/country of origin.

And, you will use a semi-permanent method of birth control unless you can afford to raise the children you have plus one more, and this must be proved with financial statements and pay stubs. If you already have 3 or more children, you must get fixed to be allowed in. "

Nothing else is working. Why not try it?


Kalifornia used to be a veritable paradise.

But liberals, as they do to all nice places, completely destroyed it.

They are currently fleeing to (and destroying) Idaho, Montana, Arizona, Texas, Colorado, and even the Ozarks, and Tennessee.

They descend like locusts, and bring their insanity with them. They price all the locals out of their own towns.

Before you know it, new laws and regulations and prohibitions and taxes.

Paradise lost. AmeriKa has a serious cancer. A very virulent, tenacious, and destructive cancer.
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I've lived in San Diego for about 3 months now. I never wanted to move here, but I got laid off in August and was out of work for a few months and took the job offer I got here as it was by far the best opportunity I had gotten offered to me. I sucked it up and moved out here.

I pay out the arse for apartment rent. You aren't getting anything nice for less than $2000 a month. I pay $2700. My apartment garage is full of exotic luxury cars like Ferraris and Lambos but as soon as I leave my parking garage or apartment I am greeted with a sidewalk full of homeless people sleeping in tents, sleeping bags, and tarps. Drug addicts, homeless, and panhandlers as far as the eye can see. Streets smell like piss. You see human shite everywhere and needles. All they do is fight, litter and make a huge mess. I would never walk outside at night. It's funny how liberals whine about income inequality yet California is the most unequal state I have seen.

It is so crowded everywhere. You have to drive quite a far ways out just to get some space. Even going to the grocery store at 8am on a Saturday you will run into crowds. Traffic is constantly a problem, at least I live close enough to work where I don't have to deal with it every day. But even on weekends there is traffic. I drove up to Anaheim last week to go to an Angels game and it took me damn near 3 hours to go the 85 miles to get there. There's just too many people here.

You see the effects of open border policies and unfettered immigration every day. Many places you go you aren't going to see many white people. I went to the mall today to buy some clothes and I think I was the only white person there. I saw one other white person in the long checkout line at Banana Republic. The line was 40+ people deep at 10am. You have to wonder how long it is in the afternoon. Every cashier was speaking spanish to the spanish customers. Not only are these places filled with hispanics, but they have to take their entire extended family and 10 kids along with them which makes it even more crowded. Strollers everywhere and kids running around everywhere and hispanic moms with baby bumps and no ring on their finger. I wonder who is paying for this. Some may call this racist but I feel like I am living in another country. If you dropped me at this mall with a blindfold I would have thought I was in Mexico.

You can't go anywhere without someone asking you for money. There are signs infront of stores warning you that you may be approached by panhandlers inside. I've been panhandled at the most random places. Not just at intersections and freeway exit ramps. But I have people come up to me in the grocery store asking for $0.50 so they can buy a bag of chips, or approach me in the parking lot of a grocery store or Target or Wal Mart asking for money. When I go to my gym the parking lot is down the street so I am almost always hit up for money when walking to and from the gym. I drive a convertible and when my top is down for some reason beggars think this gives them free reign to come up to me and ask for money.

After the mall I go to put gas in my tank at $4.40 a gallon. Thanks to a ridiculous state gas tax and regulations that drive up gas prices here far north of most other places in the US, it costs $44 to put 10 gallons of gas in my tank. But wait, there's more! 3 times I have been approached when filling up my tank by panhandlers. But they aren't asking for money - they have gas cans with them and ask me to put gas in their gas cans. frick these people.

Everything is more expensive here. And taxes. Sales tax is high, my income tax is ridiculous. Gas tax I already mentioned, and they want to make it higher. Taxes for shite like plastic bags at the grocery store. And I feel like I get nothing in return for these exorbitant taxes I have to pay.

Living near the beach is fine I guess, if you like dealing with the ridiculous beach traffic, lack of parking, littered beaches and massive crowds in order to be able to go to the beach.

Politics is why I feel hopeless. There is no way to change any of this shite. The state is so far left that democrats have unopposed rule. Taxes will only go one direction, up. The undesirable elements will continue to be catered to, the tax dollars will continue to go to worthless shit, and more and more dumb legislation will be passed. Nothing but more democrats will be elected statewide that will continue to push more left wing agendas. My vote is worthless and is probably cancelled out by illegals voting anyway. And I live in one of the supposed more conservative areas of the state. You have to wonder how bad it is in SF or LA.

I am going to put my time in here, ride out my contract, and then get the hell out of here. It's not going to get any better. And despite what people say, living here really isn't that great. Different strokes for different folks I guess, but it's not worth the high taxes, high cost of living, constant crowds, homeless infestation, panhandlers and beggars everywhere, constant traffic, and far left agenda politics.
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You have just described every hispanic country as trained by the catholics. A few rich people living in compounds and hordes of peasants breeding out of control. That is the catholic business model.
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THIS and add drugs.
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Theres more republicans in California than the liberals want you to believe. Republicans in California just need organize and network with each other and get their messages out there
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Why is it that Republicans suck at organizing and networking and getting the message out and the Dems excell at it?
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Simple because the Democrats are the damn Machine and the machine pays well.

Republicans on the other hand are busy working and trying to make ends meet.
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Bullshit.

People who have garage full of Ferrari’s pay more than 2700. They own. And they don’t notice gas is at 4.40.
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OH great another poor poor conservative snowflake cry my eyes out I hate liberals they ruin everything and took muh jobs thread.
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This is about corporate liberals posing as progressive

I’d argue the same for conservatives you have the same issue; corporate conservative posing as conservative ,

so they will both meet you on some issues but fail everywhere else because the end game is money.


They will give you diversity or walls,but they will let costs taxes rise and
early stock options depending on which super pac corporate panders to politicians pockets, while letting your health safety and everything else go decay and cost of living go up.
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anyway, SF was fun in the 70's until around Nov 78.
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I live in California, but in rural desert area.. 98 percent white of a pop of about 500 ppl and its fantastic.. I will not move.. And no traffic shit.. Nothing.. Quiet, and if you want to do some shooting on property, God bless you..
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To each their own I guess. Enjoy your high taxes.
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My taxes are low.. 500 a year for property tax.. My house mortgage with tax and insurance is 550 month, have 5 acres. 1300 sf house.. No water fee since we have a Well.. It's kinda cheap..
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I am in LA. the 818
My sewage is more than your property tax.
My trash is $50 a month. is more than your property tax.
Power $700-1500 a month.
Water $300-600 a month
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Shit I’m up here in La Jolla under 4,000 sq ft. I don’t see no Mexicans or homeless, just the beaners that mow my lawn...
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I live in California, but in rural desert area.. 98 percent white of a pop of about 500 ppl and its fantastic.. I will not move.. And no traffic shit.. Nothing.. Quiet, and if you want to do some shooting on property, God bless you..
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It wasn't till I moved to a state with legal weed that I got away from hearing gunshots every night.
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I live in California, but in rural desert area.. 98 percent white of a pop of about 500 ppl and its fantastic.. I will not move.. And no traffic shit.. Nothing.. Quiet, and if you want to do some shooting on property, God bless you..
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To each their own I guess. Enjoy your high taxes.
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My taxes are low.. 500 a year for property tax.. My house mortgage with tax and insurance is 550 month, have 5 acres. 1300 sf house.. No water fee since we have a Well.. It's kinda cheap..
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Yeah, the nice thing about California is they have Prop 13 which limits your property tax to 1% of the price you payed on the house. Other states don't have this protection so they can double your property tax in just 1 year if they want to.
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I've lived in San Diego for about 3 months now. I never wanted to move here, but I got laid off in August and was out of work for a few months and took the job offer I got here as it was by far the best opportunity I had gotten offered to me. I sucked it up and moved out here.

I pay out the arse for apartment rent. You aren't getting anything nice for less than $2000 a month. I pay $2700. My apartment garage is full of exotic luxury cars like Ferraris and Lambos but as soon as I leave my parking garage or apartment I am greeted with a sidewalk full of homeless people sleeping in tents, sleeping bags, and tarps. Drug addicts, homeless, and panhandlers as far as the eye can see. Streets smell like piss. You see human shite everywhere and needles. All they do is fight, litter and make a huge mess. I would never walk outside at night. It's funny how liberals whine about income inequality yet California is the most unequal state I have seen.

It is so crowded everywhere. You have to drive quite a far ways out just to get some space. Even going to the grocery store at 8am on a Saturday you will run into crowds. Traffic is constantly a problem, at least I live close enough to work where I don't have to deal with it every day. But even on weekends there is traffic. I drove up to Anaheim last week to go to an Angels game and it took me damn near 3 hours to go the 85 miles to get there. There's just too many people here.

You see the effects of open border policies and unfettered immigration every day. Many places you go you aren't going to see many white people. I went to the mall today to buy some clothes and I think I was the only white person there. I saw one other white person in the long checkout line at Banana Republic. The line was 40+ people deep at 10am. You have to wonder how long it is in the afternoon. Every cashier was speaking spanish to the spanish customers. Not only are these places filled with hispanics, but they have to take their entire extended family and 10 kids along with them which makes it even more crowded. Strollers everywhere and kids running around everywhere and hispanic moms with baby bumps and no ring on their finger. I wonder who is paying for this. Some may call this racist but I feel like I am living in another country. If you dropped me at this mall with a blindfold I would have thought I was in Mexico.

You can't go anywhere without someone asking you for money. There are signs infront of stores warning you that you may be approached by panhandlers inside. I've been panhandled at the most random places. Not just at intersections and freeway exit ramps. But I have people come up to me in the grocery store asking for $0.50 so they can buy a bag of chips, or approach me in the parking lot of a grocery store or Target or Wal Mart asking for money. When I go to my gym the parking lot is down the street so I am almost always hit up for money when walking to and from the gym. I drive a convertible and when my top is down for some reason beggars think this gives them free reign to come up to me and ask for money.

After the mall I go to put gas in my tank at $4.40 a gallon. Thanks to a ridiculous state gas tax and regulations that drive up gas prices here far north of most other places in the US, it costs $44 to put 10 gallons of gas in my tank. But wait, there's more! 3 times I have been approached when filling up my tank by panhandlers. But they aren't asking for money - they have gas cans with them and ask me to put gas in their gas cans. frick these people.

Everything is more expensive here. And taxes. Sales tax is high, my income tax is ridiculous. Gas tax I already mentioned, and they want to make it higher. Taxes for shite like plastic bags at the grocery store. And I feel like I get nothing in return for these exorbitant taxes I have to pay.

Living near the beach is fine I guess, if you like dealing with the ridiculous beach traffic, lack of parking, littered beaches and massive crowds in order to be able to go to the beach.

Politics is why I feel hopeless. There is no way to change any of this shite. The state is so far left that democrats have unopposed rule. Taxes will only go one direction, up. The undesirable elements will continue to be catered to, the tax dollars will continue to go to worthless shit, and more and more dumb legislation will be passed. Nothing but more democrats will be elected statewide that will continue to push more left wing agendas. My vote is worthless and is probably cancelled out by illegals voting anyway. And I live in one of the supposed more conservative areas of the state. You have to wonder how bad it is in SF or LA.

I am going to put my time in here, ride out my contract, and then get the hell out of here. It's not going to get any better. And despite what people say, living here really isn't that great. Different strokes for different folks I guess, but it's not worth the high taxes, high cost of living, constant crowds, homeless infestation, panhandlers and beggars everywhere, constant traffic, and far left agenda politics.
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You have just described every hispanic country as trained by the catholics. A few rich people living in compounds and hordes of peasants breeding out of control. That is the catholic business model.
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This is ABSOLUTELY TRUE and you will see this in EVERY HISPANIC COUNTRY. California is now part of Mexico and the rest of the Southwest will join it soon.
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OH great another poor poor conservative snowflake cry my eyes out I hate liberals they ruin everything and took muh jobs thread.
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Hey, it's true, asshole. Truth hurts don't it.
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I've lived in San Diego for about 3 months now. I never wanted to move here, but I got laid off in August and was out of work for a few months and took the job offer I got here as it was by far the best opportunity I had gotten offered to me. I sucked it up and moved out here.

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So shut up and move then, I use to live in Encinitas but got out years ago, staying there and going on line to bitch and whine about it shows you belong in Cali.
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Wellington Florida sux x too 1700 a month rent
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My sister-in-law and her husband finally moved out and went to a smaller city in Utah. Turns out a lot of Cal folks doing this and going anywhere to get out. Her son has gotten addicted to the Mexican whores [started when has was 14] that came with this illegal wave. They hang out in grocery stores, retail and turn tricks - they are everywhere. You can get the works for 50 bucks or lip service for 20 or whatever you can negotiate. These women are helping to feed their families doing this. Some of them take men to their vans where they live. These are desperate dangerous folks and more coming. They steal everything, sell dope, whore their women and basically nothing is too low for them. They will ruin the entire country.

We are moving out of here in a few more years, maybe less. Every word you said is true. I live in the Inland Empire (somewhere). Our teens can't find work, bilingual is "preferred". 3 interviews for a fast food restaurant, experience and resume needed. My significant other and I were in a Chipotle recently. The homeless drug addicts are getting bolder. Walked up to EVERY patron inside asking for money. Illegals hanging out at Home Depot undercutting licensed contractors, and yes TAKING JOBS AMERICANS want. Gangs leaving their imprint everywhere, be it a random bizarre murder or suddenly you discover one of your own loved ones are now doing methamphetamine. Yeah. Saw gas here today 3.99 9/10. And the higher grade gas is over 4.00. People out driving, ALL DAMNED DAY, not sure where they all came from the past 2 years. My significant other works 1.5 hours away, and sometimes it takes him 3 hours to get home. Last week we went out to the poppy reserve. Sat in traffic there too. People all over the place. Everywhere. My God. It IS depressing. Such a beautiful state geographically. So many beautiful places to visit. But yes, we are signing off in California real soon. Headed East somewhere.
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I live in OC for the past 25 years, left for 5 but here all of my life. It's a never ending spin cycle of going nowhere except paying high rent and living for weather unless you are above 80k per year, at the bare minimum. My HB apartment in 1999 was 750.00 per mo. Now 1,750. Illegals are all inland from 1 mile from the beach and a shit hole. I ride desert dirt bikes and will stay a few more tears just to ride this epic desert and surrounding mountains then will bail.
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rich peeps vacuuming up all of the property since 2008 and mass immigration spiking demand for rentals and driving wages through the floor

it's a real shame
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Those who are not retired and live in rural areas in CA or advising to move to a rural/cheaper area in another state - what do you do for a living?
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Re: The hopeless feeling I get living in California. Here is my story of living here.
My sister-in-law and her husband finally moved out and went to a smaller city in Utah. Turns out a lot of Cal folks doing this and going anywhere to get out. Her son has gotten addicted to the Mexican whores [started when has was 14] that came with this illegal wave. They hang out in grocery stores, retail and turn tricks - they are everywhere. You can get the works for 50 bucks or lip service for 20 or whatever you can negotiate. These women are helping to feed their families doing this. Some of them take men to their vans where they live. These are desperate dangerous folks and more coming. They steal everything, sell dope, whore their women and basically nothing is too low for them. They will ruin the entire country.

We are moving out of here in a few more years, maybe less. Every word you said is true. I live in the Inland Empire (somewhere). Our teens can't find work, bilingual is "preferred". 3 interviews for a fast food restaurant, experience and resume needed. My significant other and I were in a Chipotle recently. The homeless drug addicts are getting bolder. Walked up to EVERY patron inside asking for money. Illegals hanging out at Home Depot undercutting licensed contractors, and yes TAKING JOBS AMERICANS want. Gangs leaving their imprint everywhere, be it a random bizarre murder or suddenly you discover one of your own loved ones are now doing methamphetamine. Yeah. Saw gas here today 3.99 9/10. And the higher grade gas is over 4.00. People out driving, ALL DAMNED DAY, not sure where they all came from the past 2 years. My significant other works 1.5 hours away, and sometimes it takes him 3 hours to get home. Last week we went out to the poppy reserve. Sat in traffic there too. People all over the place. Everywhere. My God. It IS depressing. Such a beautiful state geographically. So many beautiful places to visit. But yes, we are signing off in California real soon. Headed East somewhere.
 Quoting: FEARLESSone

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75681398




so you go to Utah where what you can have 10 wives that are also your sister and cousins?