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Anonymous Coward User ID: 76435127 Slovakia 04/15/2019 08:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 21Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ 23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness!’ [link to biblehub.com (secure)] |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 77560472 Germany 04/15/2019 08:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And that is why the Catholic Church (including Lutherans and Anglicans) is right in my opinion. There are not many people who are naturally obedient. According to the teaching of Baptism they are all lost. According to the teaching of Catholicism, people are fallible, but God is merciful. Baptism is elitist, teaching the salvation of only a few elected. And they must constantly prove through their obedience that they really are saved. Catholicism teaches that the majority can be saved. What is better? |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 77560472 Germany 04/15/2019 08:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 21Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ 23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness!’ Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76435127 [link to biblehub.com (secure)] So if you literally go by the Bible without any interpretation, there is no hope for most people. Why then do Baptists try to raise false hope through missionary work? I prefer to rely on the teaching of the Church, which has softened this brutal teaching of selection through interpretation. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 76435127 Slovakia 04/15/2019 09:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 21Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ 23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness!’ Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76435127 [link to biblehub.com (secure)] So if you literally go by the Bible without any interpretation, there is no hope for most people. Why then do Baptists try to raise false hope through missionary work? I prefer to rely on the teaching of the Church, which has softened this brutal teaching of selection through interpretation. Rely on the Bible, not churchian man-made traditions about. Churches teach another Jesus than the biblical one. But you cannot win against the biblical God, so do not follow the foolish churches. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 77560472 Germany 04/15/2019 09:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | People are atheists because they are angry at God and the religious doctrines. That's all Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77465188 They are angry at God because they don't like any doctrines. For the same reason, people reject communism. Actually, they are not angry at God, but at people who exercise authority in his name. That is why I do not get how Americans can be both libertarians and Christians. They insist firmly on their constitutional right to bear arms, but uncritically accept the divine prohibition of having sex outside marriage? Many Western Europeans see this as contradictory. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 77560472 Germany 04/15/2019 09:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Atheism denies God's existence. Atheists are spiritually discerned from believers. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73843113 Also, following Jesus or believing in Him sincerely will ultimately lead to following God's law. But how many people are able to believe sincerely? That's what I was talking about. And if you say that comes by the grace of God and the power of the Holy Spirit, you obviously also believe in the shit of choosing the few. And what is more, you believe in an unjust, arbitrary God, a kind of Pharaoh. Well, this Pharaoh is not my God, never ever. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 77560472 Germany 04/15/2019 09:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 21Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ 23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness!’ Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76435127 [link to biblehub.com (secure)] So if you literally go by the Bible without any interpretation, there is no hope for most people. Why then do Baptists try to raise false hope through missionary work? I prefer to rely on the teaching of the Church, which has softened this brutal teaching of selection through interpretation. Rely on the Bible, not churchian man-made traditions about. Churches teach another Jesus than the biblical one. But you cannot win against the biblical God, so do not follow the foolish churches. So you advise me not to drink wine diluted with water, but to poison myself with Moonshine? Can you not imagine that the purpose of the Church is to make this biblical Moonshine more compatible without many people becoming sick from it? And what is the biblical God, please? Since when do gods inhabit scriptures? You think like a Muslim or an Israelite, you know that? God is holy, not Scripture. In Jesus Christ God became a man and not a book. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 69643893 United States 04/15/2019 09:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They are atheists because they know they can't obey. Because they do not believe in submission. Why do Christians never get the real problem? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77560472 You can make an atheist give his life to Jesus Christ. But you can never make him obey his laws without questioning them and finally giving them up. That is why the Baptist principles of voluntary decision for faith and adult baptism do not work. Without child baptism, Christianity would have long since died out. You are literally saying that without force and fraud, Christianity would have died out and this is exactly why it needs to be gone from this planet. All religion, actually needs to be gone from this universe, due to force and fraud. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 77560472 Germany 04/15/2019 09:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Did Abraham have a scripture or did he listen to the voice of God that spoke to him? And today God should only speak from a book? What superstition. Bible Christians have made the Bible an idol, but accuse Catholics of idolatry. Ridiculous. Well, that's America... *shrug* |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 73843113 United States 04/15/2019 09:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Atheism denies God's existence. Atheists are spiritually discerned from believers. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73843113 Also, following Jesus or believing in Him sincerely will ultimately lead to following God's law. But how many people are able to believe sincerely? That's what I was talking about. And if you say that comes by the grace of God and the power of the Holy Spirit, you obviously also believe in the shit of choosing the few. And what is more, you believe in an unjust, arbitrary God, a kind of Pharaoh. Well, this Pharaoh is not my God, never ever. I don't believe God is like pharoah? Who is he enslaving on a mass scale? He is the Angel of the LORD leading Moses and the tribes of Israel through the wilderness, even giving them water from a rock and Manna to eat. God takes care of us. It's a matter of personal perspective, and yours isn't going to get you very far. If you change your ways, acknowledge God for WHO HE TRULY IS, your life will be blessed in ways you can't imagine. You will find liberty. "If Christ sets you free, then free indeed you shall be". |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 73843113 United States 04/15/2019 09:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Did Abraham have a scripture or did he listen to the voice of God that spoke to him? And today God should only speak from a book? What superstition. Bible Christians have made the Bible an idol, but accuse Catholics of idolatry. Ridiculous. Well, that's America... *shrug* Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77560472 Abraham was one of the few that heard the voice of God in various ways. He told Him not to strike Isaac down and left a ram as a sacrifice. He always provides a way out, when things seems bleakest. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 76435127 Slovakia 04/15/2019 09:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 21Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ 23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness!’ Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76435127 [link to biblehub.com (secure)] So if you literally go by the Bible without any interpretation, there is no hope for most people. Why then do Baptists try to raise false hope through missionary work? I prefer to rely on the teaching of the Church, which has softened this brutal teaching of selection through interpretation. Rely on the Bible, not churchian man-made traditions about. Churches teach another Jesus than the biblical one. But you cannot win against the biblical God, so do not follow the foolish churches. So you advise me not to drink wine diluted with water, but to poison myself with Moonshine? Can you not imagine that the purpose of the Church is to make this biblical Moonshine more compatible without many people becoming sick from it? And what is the biblical God, please? Since when do gods inhabit scriptures? You think like a Muslim or an Israelite, you know that? God is holy, not Scripture. In Jesus Christ God became a man and not a book. Well, good luck on your quest finding the monotheistic God without the Bible. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 77560472 Germany 04/15/2019 10:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They are atheists because they know they can't obey. Because they do not believe in submission. Why do Christians never get the real problem? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77560472 You can make an atheist give his life to Jesus Christ. But you can never make him obey his laws without questioning them and finally giving them up. That is why the Baptist principles of voluntary decision for faith and adult baptism do not work. Without child baptism, Christianity would have long since died out. You are literally saying that without force and fraud, Christianity would have died out and this is exactly why it needs to be gone from this planet. All religion, actually needs to be gone from this universe, due to force and fraud. So either toxic biblical faith or hard-core atheism? You are polarizing, and polarization prevents balance. But hey, that's what it's about, isn't it, preventing sound balance? And this shit is called enlightenment, progress and democracy, my ass... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 69643893 United States 04/15/2019 10:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They are atheists because they know they can't obey. Because they do not believe in submission. Why do Christians never get the real problem? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77560472 You can make an atheist give his life to Jesus Christ. But you can never make him obey his laws without questioning them and finally giving them up. That is why the Baptist principles of voluntary decision for faith and adult baptism do not work. Without child baptism, Christianity would have long since died out. You are literally saying that without force and fraud, Christianity would have died out and this is exactly why it needs to be gone from this planet. All religion, actually needs to be gone from this universe, due to force and fraud. So either toxic biblical faith or hard-core atheism? You are polarizing, and polarization prevents balance. But hey, that's what it's about, isn't it, preventing sound balance? And this shit is called enlightenment, progress and democracy, my ass... Actually people can believe and think whatever they want in their own personal minds. It is the fact that religion is used as a tool to control, and or harm others, that is the problem. Here is a fact too - the bible is a book - that is all, it's the same with other religious texts. Look at it, read it, glean from it wisdom, historical wisdom, even. However, as soon as you enter the texts that either direct or encourage harm, throw it in the garbage. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 76435127 Slovakia 04/15/2019 10:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They are atheists because they know they can't obey. Because they do not believe in submission. Why do Christians never get the real problem? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77560472 You can make an atheist give his life to Jesus Christ. But you can never make him obey his laws without questioning them and finally giving them up. That is why the Baptist principles of voluntary decision for faith and adult baptism do not work. Without child baptism, Christianity would have long since died out. You are literally saying that without force and fraud, Christianity would have died out and this is exactly why it needs to be gone from this planet. All religion, actually needs to be gone from this universe, due to force and fraud. So either toxic biblical faith or hard-core atheism? You are polarizing, and polarization prevents balance. But hey, that's what it's about, isn't it, preventing sound balance? And this shit is called enlightenment, progress and democracy, my ass... You can choose any god you want, yourself inclusive |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 77560472 Germany 04/15/2019 10:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77560472 So if you literally go by the Bible without any interpretation, there is no hope for most people. Why then do Baptists try to raise false hope through missionary work? I prefer to rely on the teaching of the Church, which has softened this brutal teaching of selection through interpretation. Rely on the Bible, not churchian man-made traditions about. Churches teach another Jesus than the biblical one. But you cannot win against the biblical God, so do not follow the foolish churches. So you advise me not to drink wine diluted with water, but to poison myself with Moonshine? Can you not imagine that the purpose of the Church is to make this biblical Moonshine more compatible without many people becoming sick from it? And what is the biblical God, please? Since when do gods inhabit scriptures? You think like a Muslim or an Israelite, you know that? God is holy, not Scripture. In Jesus Christ God became a man and not a book. Well, good luck on your quest finding the monotheistic God without the Bible. Who needs a strictly monotheistic God? Who says that "God" is not a divine collective of "gods", also known as angels? Someone who believes in polarization but not in unity in diversity? We know where monotheism and polarization come from, don't we? Did this thinking bring us peace or constant conflict? |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 77560472 Germany 04/15/2019 10:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In ancient Greece there were professional speakers who were as corrupt as today's press. Firstly, their opinions were for sale, and secondly, they constantly twisted words. But at that time, word twisters were beaten up with impunity. Somehow it was better then... |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 77560472 Germany 04/15/2019 10:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They are atheists because they know they can't obey. Because they do not believe in submission. Why do Christians never get the real problem? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77560472 You can make an atheist give his life to Jesus Christ. But you can never make him obey his laws without questioning them and finally giving them up. That is why the Baptist principles of voluntary decision for faith and adult baptism do not work. Without child baptism, Christianity would have long since died out. You are literally saying that without force and fraud, Christianity would have died out and this is exactly why it needs to be gone from this planet. All religion, actually needs to be gone from this universe, due to force and fraud. So either toxic biblical faith or hard-core atheism? You are polarizing, and polarization prevents balance. But hey, that's what it's about, isn't it, preventing sound balance? And this shit is called enlightenment, progress and democracy, my ass... You can choose any god you want, yourself inclusive Nonono, not myself. I am just a nobody and somehow an anomaly. |
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