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SoulWinner User ID: 58577065 United States 04/15/2019 10:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Everyone knows God exists, no matter what they claim to believe. Everyone. In wars, with bombs dropping, self-described atheists cry out in terror to the God they claim doesn't exist. ...Loving souls, starving trolls... |
SoulWinner User ID: 58577065 United States 04/15/2019 10:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Atheist = a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77539142 Religitards often try to make there own version of what an Atheist means but this is all it is nothing more. ......unless you want to bullshit. In simpler terms: Atheist = fool A fool who, despite mountains of evidence, denies reality. ...Loving souls, starving trolls... |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 77560472 Germany 04/15/2019 10:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Atheist = a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77539142 Religitards often try to make there own version of what an Atheist means but this is all it is nothing more. ......unless you want to bullshit. That's correct, but the question is, why don't they believe in God? They often say they don't believe in the supernatural at all. As if Quantum physics and the Moebius strip weren't supernatural! I think this is rationalization. Because they hate laws, they declare the legislator non-existent, condemning themselves in this way to strict materialists who are separate from their own spirit. This is a bad solution. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 76909969 United States 04/15/2019 10:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | People are atheists for a number of reasons. Some are real atheists .... truly not believing in any deity or afterlife. Some say they are atheists, but they really just don't know and choose not to think about it or practice any religion. Some, as I believe the OP was getting at, feel they might have to answer for things they don't want to answer for so choose to claim they are an atheist...whether they truly are or not. It makes them feel better about their choices in life. I'll give you two major reasons why I think people choose not to believe, but first a little background. I am not a christian/catholic but my family is, as are most of the people I associate with so my thought process regarding religion tends to relate to those concepts, because it's what my frame of reference is. However, I am not an atheist either. I can say I probably switched between the first two groups from time to time but because of some personal experiences I have come to realize that there is more to this world than meets the eye. I don't claim to know WHAT that 'more' is, but I know without doubt that there is something. Some things were internal, as in, no way for me to prove to someone it was real. Other things were external with others witnessing. Some things were confirmed while I was not present, others having the same experience without knowing of mine. Anyway, why do people not believe? The biggest I suppose is lack of evidence. There is absolutely no evidence of a deity. Things that are used as evidence really aren't, they are simply things we don't fully understand so are attributed to a deity. The origins of the universe, the complexity of life, mathematical relationships in nature, etc... These things are not proof of anything other than our ignorance of these things. Next would be the perceived contradictions/hypocrisy in a supposed divine system. The concept of a merciful god who lets his most loved suffer, in some cases, horrendously...just to teach them a lesson is enough to turn many away. The idea is that god would punish man with eternal damnation and suffering for behaving the way he was created to behave. If it is true that god created man, then he created man to be as he is, yet punishes man for being the way he created him. Yes, yes, I know ... free will. God gave you a choice. Well, you really don't have free will if god is as claimed. Here's where the really religious get angry with me....ready? If god is omnipotent as is claimed, he knows the past and future. He knows your future. If he knows your future, your destiny is already known before you are born. If your destiny is already planned, you do not have free will. Your outcome is determined no matter what you do. If he does not know your future, he is not omnipotent. If there is just one thing he does not know, he is not infallible. If he is not infallible, he is not worthy of worship and the entire religion collapses. But but but.... man is only disobedient because he was tricked to into eating of the tree of knowledge. "The devil made him do it". Well, no. He disobeyed BY eating the fruit. Besides, wouldn't an omnipotent god have seen this coming? Either man was set up to fail, or god doesn't know what's going on. These contradictions are hard to reconcile. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 77560472 Germany 04/15/2019 11:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Atheist = a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77539142 Religitards often try to make there own version of what an Atheist means but this is all it is nothing more. ......unless you want to bullshit. That's correct, but the question is, why don't they believe in God? They often say they don't believe in the supernatural at all. As if Quantum physics and the Moebius strip weren't supernatural! I think this is rationalization. Because they hate laws, they declare the legislator non-existent, condemning themselves in this way to strict materialists who are separate from their own spirit. This is a bad solution. My solution is - I believe in God, but not in sacred scriptures. For Baptists and other American-influenced Protestants, it might be the other way around - they would give up faith in God rather than in the Bible. Jesus became a man to put the spirit above the law. His teaching was twisted in a way that now the spirit stands beside the law and creates contradiction and people have become mad in this way. Very sad. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77533767 United States 04/15/2019 11:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They are atheists because they know they can't obey. Because they do not believe in submission. Why do Christians never get the real problem? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77560472 You can make an atheist give his life to Jesus Christ. But you can never make him obey his laws without questioning them and finally giving them up. That is why the Baptist principles of voluntary decision for faith and adult baptism do not work. Without child baptism, Christianity would have long since died out. Lol, whatever. It's because the entire premise of your religion is not logical, nor verifiable. Its bullshit.. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 69643893 United States 04/15/2019 11:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have a hunch that part of this war, is about ridding the world of attachment to the past. That threatens the "religitards", for some reason. It should not. You can think whatever you want and believe whatever you want. The world will not be "ruled" by it, however and that is so immensely beautiful to see. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 77560472 Germany 04/15/2019 11:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | People are atheists for a number of reasons. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76909969 Some are real atheists .... truly not believing in any deity or afterlife. Some say they are atheists, but they really just don't know and choose not to think about it or practice any religion. Some, as I believe the OP was getting at, feel they might have to answer for things they don't want to answer for so choose to claim they are an atheist...whether they truly are or not. It makes them feel better about their choices in life. I'll give you two major reasons why I think people choose not to believe, but first a little background. I am not a christian/catholic but my family is, as are most of the people I associate with so my thought process regarding religion tends to relate to those concepts, because it's what my frame of reference is. However, I am not an atheist either. I can say I probably switched between the first two groups from time to time but because of some personal experiences I have come to realize that there is more to this world than meets the eye. I don't claim to know WHAT that 'more' is, but I know without doubt that there is something. Some things were internal, as in, no way for me to prove to someone it was real. Other things were external with others witnessing. Some things were confirmed while I was not present, others having the same experience without knowing of mine. Anyway, why do people not believe? The biggest I suppose is lack of evidence. There is absolutely no evidence of a deity. Things that are used as evidence really aren't, they are simply things we don't fully understand so are attributed to a deity. The origins of the universe, the complexity of life, mathematical relationships in nature, etc... These things are not proof of anything other than our ignorance of these things. Next would be the perceived contradictions/hypocrisy in a supposed divine system. The concept of a merciful god who lets his most loved suffer, in some cases, horrendously...just to teach them a lesson is enough to turn many away. The idea is that god would punish man with eternal damnation and suffering for behaving the way he was created to behave. If it is true that god created man, then he created man to be as he is, yet punishes man for being the way he created him. Yes, yes, I know ... free will. God gave you a choice. Well, you really don't have free will if god is as claimed. Here's where the really religious get angry with me....ready? If god is omnipotent as is claimed, he knows the past and future. He knows your future. If he knows your future, your destiny is already known before you are born. If your destiny is already planned, you do not have free will. Your outcome is determined no matter what you do. If he does not know your future, he is not omnipotent. If there is just one thing he does not know, he is not infallible. If he is not infallible, he is not worthy of worship and the entire religion collapses. But but but.... man is only disobedient because he was tricked to into eating of the tree of knowledge. "The devil made him do it". Well, no. He disobeyed BY eating the fruit. Besides, wouldn't an omnipotent god have seen this coming? Either man was set up to fail, or god doesn't know what's going on. These contradictions are hard to reconcile. Great post. You did get my point. It is correct that God cannot be proved by the means of current physics. Supposedly this can be done spiritually through meditation. I have read that Orthodox monks sometimes see the light that Jesus shrouded on Mount Tabor, and that on Holy Saturday a priest in the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem lights a candle through prayer. Seems like the trained human spirit is capable to materialize things. But this goes far beyond classical physics... |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 76339665 Japan 04/15/2019 12:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They are atheists because they know they can't obey. Because they do not believe in submission. Why do Christians never get the real problem? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77560472 You can make an atheist give his life to Jesus Christ. But you can never make him obey his laws without questioning them and finally giving them up. That is why the Baptist principles of voluntary decision for faith and adult baptism do not work. Without child baptism, Christianity would have long since died out. Well son, you have posted your way into quite an amusing situation here. There isn't anything wrong with being an atheist, and in fact many atheists are far better people than some Christians. But the labels don't matter in the long run. It's all about accepting yourself and trusting yourself and the tasks and plans you have assigned yourself while here. All of our experiences while here are a product of an equation that is of our own design, and the variables we put in this physical realm mean quite a lot. Many people try to tell you that you must be saved by Jesus or do this or that to have a true connection with your creator, but this isn't true. It is sometimes easier to use the religions, and if they are honest in their dealings I would even recommend it. Everyone has to be their own Jesus, and you don't need to be saved from or by anything or anyone. We are not born here with free will.. We are not born with sin, so let's give that a rest already. The only sins we are born with are perpetuating this system of recycled slavery, and that isn't something a baptism will fix. The very first thing to getting to know the big man is to make ourselves into a better conduit so we may again communicate quite freely with him/her or whatever you picture as this creator as it probably doesn't really care. This also means we should check to make sure our conduit didn't get hijacked by someone else, because in this place it's hard to keep the comms up. In reality your creator requires nothing from and just wants you to live in peace and enjoy free will as it was intended to be used instead of how these alien Tupperware dickweeds have been using it. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 69643893 United States 04/15/2019 12:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If the essence of religion is to seek and find the truth, the religious texts did not and do not accomplish that. I am not trying to start an argument. There is just simply no reason to end the journey with historical texts, that unfortunately have been used for abuse and clearly were written to be used as tools for abuse. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 76909969 United States 04/15/2019 12:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | People are atheists for a number of reasons. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76909969 Some are real atheists .... truly not believing in any deity or afterlife. Some say they are atheists, but they really just don't know and choose not to think about it or practice any religion. Some, as I believe the OP was getting at, feel they might have to answer for things they don't want to answer for so choose to claim they are an atheist...whether they truly are or not. It makes them feel better about their choices in life. I'll give you two major reasons why I think people choose not to believe, but first a little background. I am not a christian/catholic but my family is, as are most of the people I associate with so my thought process regarding religion tends to relate to those concepts, because it's what my frame of reference is. However, I am not an atheist either. I can say I probably switched between the first two groups from time to time but because of some personal experiences I have come to realize that there is more to this world than meets the eye. I don't claim to know WHAT that 'more' is, but I know without doubt that there is something. Some things were internal, as in, no way for me to prove to someone it was real. Other things were external with others witnessing. Some things were confirmed while I was not present, others having the same experience without knowing of mine. Anyway, why do people not believe? The biggest I suppose is lack of evidence. There is absolutely no evidence of a deity. Things that are used as evidence really aren't, they are simply things we don't fully understand so are attributed to a deity. The origins of the universe, the complexity of life, mathematical relationships in nature, etc... These things are not proof of anything other than our ignorance of these things. Next would be the perceived contradictions/hypocrisy in a supposed divine system. The concept of a merciful god who lets his most loved suffer, in some cases, horrendously...just to teach them a lesson is enough to turn many away. The idea is that god would punish man with eternal damnation and suffering for behaving the way he was created to behave. If it is true that god created man, then he created man to be as he is, yet punishes man for being the way he created him. Yes, yes, I know ... free will. God gave you a choice. Well, you really don't have free will if god is as claimed. Here's where the really religious get angry with me....ready? If god is omnipotent as is claimed, he knows the past and future. He knows your future. If he knows your future, your destiny is already known before you are born. If your destiny is already planned, you do not have free will. Your outcome is determined no matter what you do. If he does not know your future, he is not omnipotent. If there is just one thing he does not know, he is not infallible. If he is not infallible, he is not worthy of worship and the entire religion collapses. But but but.... man is only disobedient because he was tricked to into eating of the tree of knowledge. "The devil made him do it". Well, no. He disobeyed BY eating the fruit. Besides, wouldn't an omnipotent god have seen this coming? Either man was set up to fail, or god doesn't know what's going on. These contradictions are hard to reconcile. Great post. You did get my point. It is correct that God cannot be proved by the means of current physics. Supposedly this can be done spiritually through meditation. I have read that Orthodox monks sometimes see the light that Jesus shrouded on Mount Tabor, and that on Holy Saturday a priest in the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem lights a candle through prayer. Seems like the trained human spirit is capable to materialize things. But this goes far beyond classical physics... Yes, and this goes to my point of personal experiences. I have experienced things which prove *to me* of something more than we can generally perceive. These things don't prove a deity, only that there is more than we know. Proof is an extremely powerful word that most use incorrectly, myself being guilty as well. I prefer evidence. I have evidence of the existence of 'something' beyond the physical. It is impossible to "prove" god. He can appear in times square on new years eve, perform a bunch of miracles, and would be called a fraud by many. I make no claims of proving god, or providing evidence of a god. Only evidence of there being more than we currently understand. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 77560472 Germany 04/15/2019 12:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Supernatural = that which we have a lack of knowledge and understanding, regarding. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69643893 Exactly. According to Dogman every scientist who dares to research in unknown fields is a Religionist. With this setting we would have neither the light bulb nor electricity today. I think it's terrible if bias prevents free research by not funding innovative projects in the first place. Who say Occam's razor now, may slit his lazy conservative throat with it. |
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Halcyon Dayz, FCD User ID: 76260827 Netherlands 04/15/2019 02:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Some reli-nut doesn't get to tell us why don't believe what we don't believe. They are atheists because they know they can't obey. Because they do not believe in submission. Quoting: German OP 77560472 Are you admitting that you are a voluntary slave? That's sick. This is just you telling us that you don't know what the word supernatural means. This is a delusion. In wars, with bombs dropping, self-described atheists cry out in terror to the God they claim doesn't exist. Quoting: SoulWinner And this is a lie. Search term: Atheists In Foxholes. So in the past lightning was supernatural and than at some point it became natural? Really? Reaching for the sky makes you taller. Hi! My name is Halcyon Dayz and I'm addicted to morans. |
dogman17 User ID: 38050112 United States 04/15/2019 05:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Its not that atheists don't believe in God. Atheists think that there is NO God. Atheists don't need to make anything up. Religionists must believe in the supernatural. Quoting: dogman17 Interesting, however I will add this... Supernatural = that which cannot be explained. Just because we can't explain something at this current time doesn't mean we should throw up our hands in the air and say it must be supernatural. Just don't make anything up. |
Polkahonkus User ID: 38219422 United States 04/15/2019 05:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | People are atheists because they are angry at God and the religious doctrines. That's all Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77465188 Some are. A rather intelligent woman asked me again and again why, if there is a god, he had not answered her prayers when she was seventeen asking god to make her husband stop beating her. I didn’t think to point out that her husband had stopped beating her. He wasn’t beating her now. She had a new husband and a better life now. She said she was an atheist but she spent a lot of time with me listening silently pleading to know why God hadn’t acted like she thought he was supposed to. |
Godless User ID: 17274221 United States 05/08/2019 12:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They are atheists because they know they can't obey. Because they do not believe in submission. Why do Christians never get the real problem? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77560472 You can make an atheist give his life to Jesus Christ. But you can never make him obey his laws without questioning them and finally giving them up. That is why the Baptist principles of voluntary decision for faith and adult baptism do not work. Without child baptism, Christianity would have long since died out. You can't just redefine the definition of atheism to suit your bias. Even if atheism meant what you say, how could choosing not to blindly submit to anything be considered a bad thing? |
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Godless User ID: 17274221 United States 05/08/2019 01:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They are atheists because they know they can't obey. Because they do not believe in submission. Why do Christians never get the real problem? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77560472 You can make an atheist give his life to Jesus Christ. But you can never make him obey his laws without questioning them and finally giving them up. That is why the Baptist principles of voluntary decision for faith and adult baptism do not work. Without child baptism, Christianity would have long since died out. You can't make an atheist give his life to jesus christ anymore than an atheist can make you give your life to the easter bunny. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 17274221 United States 05/08/2019 04:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Atheist = a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77539142 Religitards often try to make there own version of what an Atheist means but this is all it is nothing more. ......unless you want to bullshit. In simpler terms: Atheist = fool A fool who, despite mountains of evidence, denies reality. There isn't any evidence, fool. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 73378638 United States 05/08/2019 04:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Atheist = a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77539142 Religitards often try to make there own version of what an Atheist means but this is all it is nothing more. ......unless you want to bullshit. In simpler terms: Atheist = fool A fool who, despite mountains of evidence, denies reality. There isn't any evidence, fool. I guess you don't exist then |
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Catnip User ID: 76102966 United States 05/08/2019 04:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They are atheists because they know they can't obey. Because they do not believe in submission. Why do Christians never get the real problem? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77560472 You can make an atheist give his life to Jesus Christ. But you can never make him obey his laws without questioning them and finally giving them up. That is why the Baptist principles of voluntary decision for faith and adult baptism do not work. Without child baptism, Christianity would have long since died out. It's religion they don't believe in. God is a different story. "When you change the way you look at things, the things you look at change" |
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Sungaze_At_Dawn User ID: 77427246 Canada 05/08/2019 04:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Nope, that is not how the word is used, and it has a common usage. Athiest is akin to my father, though even he has become more convinced that there is a Creator, logically, after years of being adamantly an athiest, and a science teacher. Athiesm means you don't believe in Spirit beyond your body, that everything was just a random chance accident, the belief in something appearing out of nothing, and when you die you just croak as he used to quip whenever we discussed life after death or someone's NDE. Agnosticism means you don't know, and you don't spend alot of time thinking about it, and perhaps has a slightly stronger leaning towards spirit. Anything else is either a religious or spiritual belief. You don't have to believe in God to be spiritual, but spiritual is a decisive choice, is not atheistic nor is it agnostic. Agnostics don't make a decision/choice. If a person has had an NDE or an experience they may not have even experienced One or God, but Family and the Good Family that we're all connected to. For some the Good, the Good Family may be God, or the concept of Source. For some they believe the Universe is ultimately God. Some people contemplate on what Source or Creator or the Good is, but acknowledge their neocortex, ie processors, aren't big enough to be able to fathom Both Infinity and God, when Infinity cannot ever do a 1, and everyone depicts God as 1, but 1 is finite. Infinite Higher Mind Good is what I call God and I don't define the mystery, its bigger than my neo cortex, so can simply use human terms as a human, or Christian terms for me, but we're in Infinity and Infinity does not do 1's. Infinite 1's, yes, and 2's and every other imaginable thing that is not a number and is something else altogether and so forth and so on. God may be Infinite Love that binds all souls/spirit/consciosness togehter, or something more or something else. That mystery is in God/Goodness's/Sources hands. I simply have faith in Good/Good Family/Source and my Higher Mind Parents. Don't believe that "God" the Good, likes the word God at all, and is pure Love and Humble of Heart. I don't like the term either, only use it out of convention for human understanding. My choice is the Good and Mom/Dad! Last Edited by Sungaze_At_Dawn on 05/08/2019 05:01 PM The Devil tries to convince everyone he doesn't exist. The state tries to convince everyone they cannot resist. Do not go quietly into the good night. Rage Rage against the dying light! |