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Anonymous Coward User ID: 4466048 United States 04/15/2019 11:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: I spoke to Scott Cahill, the dam safety guy, today, about the Oroville Dam Spillway situation. Not so good. Here is a video from them using it on 4/7/2019. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4466048 Actually looks fucking great. I never thought I'd say that but they got their shit in order. I used to buy all the Cahill stuff too and still agree with him that bureaucracies will definitely kill us all. What day did you talk to him OP? How do you reconcile the "can't use the spillway" mantra with the video of them using the spillway last week??? Talked to him earlier today. They opened it up, looked good, ran it to 15,000 or maybe 20,000 cfs. Then they said they were going to run it to 60,000 cfs, last Friday if I remember right. Then they shut it down. Full stop. No 60,000. They saw something when they fired it up that worried them enough to stop it. Jack in VA on Twitter has some conjectures and pictures. Maybe the drains. They were out with flashlights at night over by what is being called the mystery spot. Cahill said it is water under the spillway, which I interpret to mean hydraulic lift starting to inch up the concrete. My guess only. Or water underneath starting to erode the foundation? Yes, looked great, but that doesn't make rotten rock underneath great. Hey, we will see. Better to be prepared for a failure, even if it holds up IMO. Rather than relying on your memories which you indicate may not be accurate, how about posting a link to the sudden shutdown??? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 63573762 Germany 04/15/2019 11:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: I spoke to Scott Cahill, the dam safety guy, today, about the Oroville Dam Spillway situation. Not so good. I read somewhere, maybe here on another post, that the dam or spillway started vibrating and that's why they shut it down. Quoting: HollyWho I saw that too! It was in the Oroville Dam thread. Something about harmonic tremors caused by the action of the water going down the spillway would cause the spillway to disintegrate and dissolve. That's why they shut it down. It's a hell of a mess they created. A lot of people connected with this mess should be sent to prison. |
Prayandprepare000 (OP) User ID: 74211141 United States 04/15/2019 11:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: I spoke to Scott Cahill, the dam safety guy, today, about the Oroville Dam Spillway situation. Not so good. Here is a video from them using it on 4/7/2019. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4466048 Actually looks fucking great. I never thought I'd say that but they got their shit in order. I used to buy all the Cahill stuff too and still agree with him that bureaucracies will definitely kill us all. What day did you talk to him OP? How do you reconcile the "can't use the spillway" mantra with the video of them using the spillway last week??? Talked to him earlier today. They opened it up, looked good, ran it to 15,000 or maybe 20,000 cfs. Then they said they were going to run it to 60,000 cfs, last Friday if I remember right. Then they shut it down. Full stop. No 60,000. They saw something when they fired it up that worried them enough to stop it. Jack in VA on Twitter has some conjectures and pictures. Maybe the drains. They were out with flashlights at night over by what is being called the mystery spot. Cahill said it is water under the spillway, which I interpret to mean hydraulic lift starting to inch up the concrete. My guess only. Or water underneath starting to erode the foundation? Yes, looked great, but that doesn't make rotten rock underneath great. Hey, we will see. Better to be prepared for a failure, even if it holds up IMO. Rather than relying on your memories which you indicate may not be accurate, how about posting a link to the sudden shutdown??? Here ya go AC: [link to www.newcaliforniastate.com (secure)] More here, poke around: (Oroville Dam Watch Group) [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] |
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HollyWho User ID: 71072900 United States 04/15/2019 11:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: I spoke to Scott Cahill, the dam safety guy, today, about the Oroville Dam Spillway situation. Not so good. I read somewhere, maybe here on another post, that the dam or spillway started vibrating and that's why they shut it down. Quoting: HollyWho I saw that too! It was in the Oroville Dam thread. Something about harmonic tremors caused by the action of the water going down the spillway would cause the spillway to disintegrate and dissolve. That's why they shut it down. It's a hell of a mess they created. A lot of people connected with this mess should be sent to prison. It certainly is and they should be shot |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77220250 United States 04/15/2019 11:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: I spoke to Scott Cahill, the dam safety guy, today, about the Oroville Dam Spillway situation. Not so good. The comments about pressure tests sound like the Macondo well behavior, prior to the psi going off the charts. Gas expands and is flammable. This reaction in regards to water can't be good either. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 4466048 United States 04/15/2019 11:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: I spoke to Scott Cahill, the dam safety guy, today, about the Oroville Dam Spillway situation. Not so good. Here is a video from them using it on 4/7/2019. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4466048 Actually looks fucking great. I never thought I'd say that but they got their shit in order. I used to buy all the Cahill stuff too and still agree with him that bureaucracies will definitely kill us all. What day did you talk to him OP? How do you reconcile the "can't use the spillway" mantra with the video of them using the spillway last week??? Talked to him earlier today. They opened it up, looked good, ran it to 15,000 or maybe 20,000 cfs. Then they said they were going to run it to 60,000 cfs, last Friday if I remember right. Then they shut it down. Full stop. No 60,000. They saw something when they fired it up that worried them enough to stop it. Jack in VA on Twitter has some conjectures and pictures. Maybe the drains. They were out with flashlights at night over by what is being called the mystery spot. Cahill said it is water under the spillway, which I interpret to mean hydraulic lift starting to inch up the concrete. My guess only. Or water underneath starting to erode the foundation? Yes, looked great, but that doesn't make rotten rock underneath great. Hey, we will see. Better to be prepared for a failure, even if it holds up IMO. Rather than relying on your memories which you indicate may not be accurate, how about posting a link to the sudden shutdown??? Here ya go AC: [link to www.newcaliforniastate.com (secure)] More here, poke around: (Oroville Dam Watch Group) [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] The info I mentioned is not available in your links. Here's what we're looking for: 1) Statement by DWR that they are "gonna run it 60K wahoo" or something, but 60,000cfm must be part of the info. 2) A graph or statement by DWR that shows a ramp up and then the "emergency" shutoff. "zOMG NOT WORKING!! AGGGHHH" or something. We're past rainy season. "Snowmelt" is BS for years now. The situation has been well mitigated. Juan's a good guy, certainly not the fucking "same as DWR" If you were to truly understand the nature of water, this incident would show you that it is above, below, and inside of the entire complex. Now, if you want to get into some real dirty gov't shit, let's talk about Jerry B. Sr. and the CA Water Reclamation Project and gold mines and usurped mega expanses of land including Oroville (goldville). The damn water spewing out of the hill was full of gold in the videos when the MS failed. Glistening fucking gold. That "underlying rock...geology...national security item" you speak of? UNDERNEATH THE COMPLEX IS FULL OF GOLD, THEY JUST COULDN'T AFFORD TO GET IT BACK THEN |
UH User ID: 76380850 United States 04/15/2019 11:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: I spoke to Scott Cahill, the dam safety guy, today, about the Oroville Dam Spillway situation. Not so good. ... Quoting: Prayandprepare000 Talked to him earlier today. They opened it up, looked good, ran it to 15,000 or maybe 20,000 cfs. Then they said they were going to run it to 60,000 cfs, last Friday if I remember right. Then they shut it down. Full stop. No 60,000. They saw something when they fired it up that worried them enough to stop it. Jack in VA on Twitter has some conjectures and pictures. Maybe the drains. They were out with flashlights at night over by what is being called the mystery spot. Cahill said it is water under the spillway, which I interpret to mean hydraulic lift starting to inch up the concrete. My guess only. Or water underneath starting to erode the foundation? Yes, looked great, but that doesn't make rotten rock underneath great. Hey, we will see. Better to be prepared for a failure, even if it holds up IMO. Rather than relying on your memories which you indicate may not be accurate, how about posting a link to the sudden shutdown??? Here ya go AC: [link to www.newcaliforniastate.com (secure)] More here, poke around: (Oroville Dam Watch Group) [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] The info I mentioned is not available in your links. Here's what we're looking for: 1) Statement by DWR that they are "gonna run it 60K wahoo" or something, but 60,000cfm must be part of the info. 2) A graph or statement by DWR that shows a ramp up and then the "emergency" shutoff. "zOMG NOT WORKING!! AGGGHHH" or something. We're past rainy season. "Snowmelt" is BS for years now. The situation has been well mitigated. Juan's a good guy, certainly not the fucking "same as DWR" If you were to truly understand the nature of water, this incident would show you that it is above, below, and inside of the entire complex. Now, if you want to get into some real dirty gov't shit, let's talk about Jerry B. Sr. and the CA Water Reclamation Project and gold mines and usurped mega expanses of land including Oroville (goldville). The damn water spewing out of the hill was full of gold in the videos when the MS failed. Glistening fucking gold. That "underlying rock...geology...national security item" you speak of? UNDERNEATH THE COMPLEX IS FULL OF GOLD, THEY JUST COULDN'T AFFORD TO GET IT BACK THEN 85% FULL 108% OF HISTORICAL AVERAGE....AND RISING....WHAT A FUCKIN GAME OF CHICKEN WE R PLAYING WITH THE NEXT FUCKIN 'HIGH' HEAT WAVE...OR RAIN STORM... |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 76861620 United States 04/16/2019 12:02 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: I spoke to Scott Cahill, the dam safety guy, today, about the Oroville Dam Spillway situation. Not so good. up, B: they arent letting people surf the spillway anymore, and the damnappears fine and add to that, WE BQCK IN A DROUGHT! yer not gonna get dam doomage, not mass kill off of white trash no matter how much you want it!! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 4466048 United States 04/16/2019 12:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: I spoke to Scott Cahill, the dam safety guy, today, about the Oroville Dam Spillway situation. Not so good. ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4466048 Rather than relying on your memories which you indicate may not be accurate, how about posting a link to the sudden shutdown??? Here ya go AC: [link to www.newcaliforniastate.com (secure)] More here, poke around: (Oroville Dam Watch Group) [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] The info I mentioned is not available in your links. Here's what we're looking for: 1) Statement by DWR that they are "gonna run it 60K wahoo" or something, but 60,000cfm must be part of the info. 2) A graph or statement by DWR that shows a ramp up and then the "emergency" shutoff. "zOMG NOT WORKING!! AGGGHHH" or something. We're past rainy season. "Snowmelt" is BS for years now. The situation has been well mitigated. Juan's a good guy, certainly not the fucking "same as DWR" If you were to truly understand the nature of water, this incident would show you that it is above, below, and inside of the entire complex. Now, if you want to get into some real dirty gov't shit, let's talk about Jerry B. Sr. and the CA Water Reclamation Project and gold mines and usurped mega expanses of land including Oroville (goldville). The damn water spewing out of the hill was full of gold in the videos when the MS failed. Glistening fucking gold. That "underlying rock...geology...national security item" you speak of? UNDERNEATH THE COMPLEX IS FULL OF GOLD, THEY JUST COULDN'T AFFORD TO GET IT BACK THEN 85% FULL 108% OF HISTORICAL AVERAGE....AND RISING....WHAT A FUCKIN GAME OF CHICKEN WE R PLAYING WITH THE NEXT FUCKIN 'HIGH' HEAT WAVE...OR RAIN STORM... Their job is managing that exact risk. Gotta keep the floods back but still give enough irrigation water at a stable rate that won't rock the Feather River, which includes the output of the power plant that needs 1.5Kcfm per turbine to run (x6 = ~10Kcfm if they all are running at once). Then they have to save enough water for the rest of the year. Just like every year. I think they're doing an amazing job. The Browns are dirty AF though. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77535527 United States 04/16/2019 12:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: I spoke to Scott Cahill, the dam safety guy, today, about the Oroville Dam Spillway situation. Not so good. He said a hundred thousand people may have to die in a dam failure before CA does what has to be done. Quoting: Mental Case -------- That is californias "plan". Let dams fail, people die...call it an "disaster"...and force all the other states (fed gov) to pay for their corrupt/bankrupt ass. Billion $ fix on the spillway...my big hairy left one! The politico's threw half a million at it & stole the rest! The plan is this. After the dam is breached and fails, the bought off politicians will offer "public, private" funding solution to repair the damage. The PRC will offer the best terms, and the offer will be accepted as some sort of historic international effort or some other BS. Wait and see. China will end up legally owning one of the most productive agriculteral areas in the US. Nancy P and others will go from millionaires to billionares. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76760905 United States 04/16/2019 12:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: I spoke to Scott Cahill, the dam safety guy, today, about the Oroville Dam Spillway situation. Not so good. You can thank Bill Clinton and Al Gore for denying funds to western water agencies to evaluate the safety of all dams and appropriate funding for necessary repairs and maintenance. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76760905 Clearly they wanted this to happen, all part of the plan. They've been out of office for nearly 20 years. Stop making excuses for Republicans who've done nothing. Correct, but the initiatives established by Clinton and Gore motivated by Marc Reisner gutted planning that was needed. First you have to program out the money, it takes years sometimes decades for infrastructure spending to work it's way through the system. You can thank Bush for eliminating initiatives set up by EPA to inventory and catalog all water and wastewater facilities to set up programming to repair/replace and maintain those systems. You're right, they've all had an opportunity but instead chose to back financial criminals and shysters. Your children and their children will pay the ultimate price. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 32943040 United States 04/16/2019 12:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: I spoke to Scott Cahill, the dam safety guy, today, about the Oroville Dam Spillway situation. Not so good. You can thank Bill Clinton and Al Gore for denying funds to western water agencies to evaluate the safety of all dams and appropriate funding for necessary repairs and maintenance. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76760905 Clearly they wanted this to happen, all part of the plan. They've been out of office for nearly 20 years. Stop making excuses for Republicans who've done nothing. Jerry Commie Pinkpants Brown is still in office. |
Endure User ID: 77562579 United States 04/16/2019 12:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: I spoke to Scott Cahill, the dam safety guy, today, about the Oroville Dam Spillway situation. Not so good. The Feather River that Oroville dam flows into is an interesting name. Reminds me of the ancient Egyptian afterlife and the "feather" of truth. Endure |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 4466048 United States 04/16/2019 12:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: I spoke to Scott Cahill, the dam safety guy, today, about the Oroville Dam Spillway situation. Not so good. You can thank Bill Clinton and Al Gore for denying funds to western water agencies to evaluate the safety of all dams and appropriate funding for necessary repairs and maintenance. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76760905 Clearly they wanted this to happen, all part of the plan. They've been out of office for nearly 20 years. Stop making excuses for Republicans who've done nothing. Jerry Commie Pinkpants Brown is still in office. Communist dick-taters are never, themselves, communist. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 4466048 United States 04/16/2019 12:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: I spoke to Scott Cahill, the dam safety guy, today, about the Oroville Dam Spillway situation. Not so good. I think gold plays into this somehow. "Oro" means gold in Spanish and Italian and the flood that happened and the breach exposed bunches of gold ore and nuggets that had gold prospecters going nuts! Blm kicked them out. Quoting: Endure The Feather River that Oroville dam flows into is an interesting name. Reminds me of the ancient Egyptian afterlife and the "feather" of truth. The whole valley was depleted gold mines. Smaller dams were built and then intentionally blown up to wash out the deposits. The exact area of Oroville (goldville) Dam is one place this happened. The geological "national security item" that Cahill talks about is a huge deposit of gold underneath the complex. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 32943040 United States 04/16/2019 12:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: I spoke to Scott Cahill, the dam safety guy, today, about the Oroville Dam Spillway situation. Not so good. I think gold plays into this somehow. "Oro" means gold in Spanish and Italian and the flood that happened and the breach exposed bunches of gold ore and nuggets that had gold prospecters going nuts! Blm kicked them out. Quoting: Endure The Feather River that Oroville dam flows into is an interesting name. Reminds me of the ancient Egyptian afterlife and the "feather" of truth. The whole valley was depleted gold mines. Smaller dams were built and then intentionally blown up to wash out the deposits. The exact area of Oroville (goldville) Dam is one place this happened. The geological "national security item" that Cahill talks about is a huge deposit of gold underneath the complex. Maybe the hill is full of old mining tunnels that conduct water up under the spillway. Oh and load gold usually forms along active fault lines. Did they put in an earthen dam because the ground was too unstable for a concrete one? I wouldn't piss on that fucking thing for fear of washing it away. |
wishiwas User ID: 76336660 United States 04/16/2019 12:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: I spoke to Scott Cahill, the dam safety guy, today, about the Oroville Dam Spillway situation. Not so good. I read somewhere, maybe here on another post, that the dam or spillway started vibrating and that's why they shut it down. Quoting: HollyWho I saw that too! It was in the Oroville Dam thread. Something about harmonic tremors caused by the action of the water going down the spillway would cause the spillway to disintegrate and dissolve. That's why they shut it down. It's a hell of a mess they created. A lot of people connected with this mess should be sent to prison. It certainly is and they should be shot Me tel u...Brown cheats before May 15?? Justitiae soro Fides |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 4466048 United States 04/16/2019 12:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: I spoke to Scott Cahill, the dam safety guy, today, about the Oroville Dam Spillway situation. Not so good. I think gold plays into this somehow. "Oro" means gold in Spanish and Italian and the flood that happened and the breach exposed bunches of gold ore and nuggets that had gold prospecters going nuts! Blm kicked them out. Quoting: Endure The Feather River that Oroville dam flows into is an interesting name. Reminds me of the ancient Egyptian afterlife and the "feather" of truth. The whole valley was depleted gold mines. Smaller dams were built and then intentionally blown up to wash out the deposits. The exact area of Oroville (goldville) Dam is one place this happened. The geological "national security item" that Cahill talks about is a huge deposit of gold underneath the complex. Maybe the hill is full of old mining tunnels that conduct water up under the spillway. Oh and load gold usually forms along active fault lines. Did they put in an earthen dam because the ground was too unstable for a concrete one? I wouldn't piss on that fucking thing for fear of washing it away. If you really look at the total volume of dirt in the earthen dam, you'll see that manufacturing concrete to that degree of volume is not feasible even today. Why do you think concrete would be better? Clay dams heal themselves because the material shifts/settles. Concrete won't do that. |
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