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9 Quotes From Jesus On Why We Must Help The Poor

 
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9 Quotes From Jesus On Why We Must Help The Poor
Luke 6:20-21
Matthew 25:34-36
Mark 10:21-22
Mark 12:41-44
Luke 14:12-14
Luke 16:19-25
Luke 11:39-42
Luke 12:16-21

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Christians are the most generous, ever hear of an Atheists hospital or charity?
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There are atheist charities. But, indeed, lots of Christian charities too. Christianity, at its core (looking at Jesus' message) seems to be about charity. But I'm not sure it's a moment for Christians to be proud, pride is after all listed as one of the cardinal sins...
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Re: 9 Quotes From Jesus On Why We Must Help The Poor
Luke 6:20-21
Matthew 25:34-36
Mark 10:21-22
Mark 12:41-44
Luke 14:12-14
Luke 16:19-25
Luke 11:39-42
Luke 12:16-21

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Your fantasy Jesus never said any of those things.

Luke did. And Luke never saw Jesus alive.
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Luke, Mark, and Matthew all did... Even if Jesus did not exist historically (I do believe He did), He represents a powerful and Divine idea, that is mainly accessed through the gospels.

And caring for the poor seems to be the core of His message.
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But you are free to disbelieve, of course. :)
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Re: 9 Quotes From Jesus On Why We Must Help The Poor
Luke 6:20-21
Matthew 25:34-36
Mark 10:21-22
Mark 12:41-44
Luke 14:12-14
Luke 16:19-25
Luke 11:39-42
Luke 12:16-21

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Your fantasy Jesus never said any of those things.

Luke did. And Luke never saw Jesus alive.
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Jesus/Enki/Osiris all of them have something in common
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What do they have in common?
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What do they have in common?
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all of them are gods, all of them were betrayed close to them, all of them were resurrected
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Re: 9 Quotes From Jesus On Why We Must Help The Poor
Luke 6:20-21
Matthew 25:34-36
Mark 10:21-22
Mark 12:41-44
Luke 14:12-14
Luke 16:19-25
Luke 11:39-42
Luke 12:16-21

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Your fantasy Jesus never said any of those things.

Luke did. And Luke never saw Jesus alive.
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Jesus/Enki/Osiris all of them have something in common
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Yeah, fantasy.
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Yes, it's a common thread. Baldur from Norse mythology also fits the pattern, I think.

How can we engage with this pattern? What does it mean to us?
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Myths all have a certain universality, they are a compass to our lives. But maybe some myths (like the Christian one) have more truth in them than others. But even so, that does not mean the other myths are valueless. J.R.R. Tolkien understood this, when creating his Middle-Earth, as a process of subcreation.

But in Tolkien's legendary world, Morgoth himself was a subcreator, too...

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Tolkien's poem Mythopoeia, written to C.S. Lewis before Lewis converted to Christianity, is also well worth a read. :)

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Yes, it's a common thread. Baldur from Norse mythology also fits the pattern, I think.

How can we engage with this pattern? What does it mean to us?
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Like Plato said, life is cyclical.. we ask our self's is there life after death, this pattern could be the answer to that
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How did Plato *know* this? How do you *know* this?
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1) All things that come to be do so from their opposite states. For example, for something to become taller it necessarily must have been shorter.

2) To go from one opposite state to another and back again, involves a pair of processes. For the previous example, going from taller to shorter involves decrease, and becoming taller from shorter requires increase.

3) If there is no balance between these opposite states, then everything would necessarily end in the same state. Continuing with my example, if there was no balance between taller and shorter, increase and decrease, everything would continue to become taller or smaller.

4) Death and life are opposite states, and dying and birth are their opposing processes; ergo death and life, dying and birth are balanced.

5) Therefore everything that dies comes to life again.

Taking Socrates’ cyclical argument as stand-alone, there are problems.
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Yup! :)

One of these problems, it seems to me, is chaos.

When the stock market rises, you never know when it will go back to falling. That's why the stock market is so exciting -- the betting aspect of it, the unpredictability of the future.

Same with nature, we understand the cycles -- of day and night, of summer and winter -- very well, they are by themselves predictable. But between these cycles are many uncertainties to be found, chaotic processes so to say.

But the good news, science takes away a bit of this veil of unpredictability, ensuring that some people are better able to predict than others.

The cyclic aspects of reality are a given, understood by anyone.

The deviations from it are much harder to comprehend.
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Got a better idea, let's take down the 4000 years old Zionism World Order rotten system of self-aggrandizement hoarding accumulation of wealth for the greedy few first?.

Oh wait, that'll be our Lord Jesus as the greatest fifth and last Anti-Christ with a sword and rod of iron dirty jobs.

"Ye that have escaped the sword, go away, stand not still: remember the Lord afar off, and let Jerusalem come into your mind." - Jeremiah 51:50

Did Trump moved US Embassy to Jerusalem as capital of Israel for the false prophets like foxes in the deserts [Ezekiel 13:4]
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Got a better idea, let's take down the 4000 years old Zionism World Order rotten system of self-aggrandizement hoarding accumulation of wealth for the greedy few first?.

Oh wait, that'll be our Lord Jesus as the greatest fifth and last Anti-Christ with a sword and rod of iron dirty jobs.

"Ye that have escaped the sword, go away, stand not still: remember the Lord afar off, and let Jerusalem come into your mind." - Jeremiah 51:50

Did Trump moved US Embassy to Jerusalem as capital of Israel for the false prophets like foxes in the deserts [Ezekiel 13:4]
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Greed is much older than Zionism. ;)

But, indeed, there are greedy Zionists. Just like greedy people can be found in any demographic.

I think it's better to look for the source of greed in other places than ideology. Greed is what provides us with an (often mistaken) sense of safety, for example.
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Look what caring for the poor did to our cities since 1967 when welfare was enacted : gang bangers and hood rats. You give them a bag of rice and when you come back next year, there are 3 more. The only reason the Jesus myth talks about taking care of the poor, is because THE CHURCH DOESNT WANT TOO SPEND MONEY ON THE POOR. This is also why the church pushed being married before having kids.
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Yes and the best way to help the poor is to be succesful in your life.

No better way.

Sending some charity is usually done for selfish reasons.
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It seems all to depend a bit on *how* you care for the poor. Societies that do care for their poor tend to be more vibrant and healthy.

But charity is complicated, indeed... ideally, it should go hand in hand with empowerment. This, to me, is something that seems to fit with both Christian and liberal ideals. :)
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It seems all to depend a bit on *how* you care for the poor. Societies that do care for their poor tend to be more vibrant and healthy.

But charity is complicated, indeed... ideally, it should go hand in hand with empowerment. This, to me, is something that seems to fit with both Christian and liberal ideals. :)
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What societies are you talking about?


The poor and weak have never in the history of humanity, anywhere in the World been taken care of better than they are in the Western countries.

It's getting to the point where we are actively suppressing normal and high achieving people to let the weak and poor feel better about themselves.-
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It seems all to depend a bit on *how* you care for the poor. Societies that do care for their poor tend to be more vibrant and healthy.

But charity is complicated, indeed... ideally, it should go hand in hand with empowerment. This, to me, is something that seems to fit with both Christian and liberal ideals. :)
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What societies are you talking about?


The poor and weak have never in the history of humanity, anywhere in the World been taken care of better than they are in the Western countries.

It's getting to the point where we are actively suppressing normal and high achieving people to let the weak and poor feel better about themselves.-
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True, although it depends on the country.

And poor and weak are not equal. Sometimes the poor have potential to be strong and high achieving.

That's the core tenet of the American dream, isn't it?

Hence my point that it is important to focus on empowerment. Give people the education they need to shine in their lives, no matter whether they are rich or poor by background. But set your standards high!
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Making someone "feel better about themselves", as noble as it sounds, is often patronizing and has the opposite effect. Rather, give people the chances they need, and allow them to show their true strength, by their own power.

But the power of inherited wealth is something else than the inner willpower that a person can have. Wealth can lead to laziness, not just in the poor, but also in the rich.
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It doesn’t mean you let devil worshiping illegal aliens flood your country. Helping the poor is one thing, being stupid is another.
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It seems all to depend a bit on *how* you care for the poor. Societies that do care for their poor tend to be more vibrant and healthy.

But charity is complicated, indeed... ideally, it should go hand in hand with empowerment. This, to me, is something that seems to fit with both Christian and liberal ideals. :)
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What societies are you talking about?


The poor and weak have never in the history of humanity, anywhere in the World been taken care of better than they are in the Western countries.

It's getting to the point where we are actively suppressing normal and high achieving people to let the weak and poor feel better about themselves.-
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True, although it depends on the country.

And poor and weak are not equal. Sometimes the poor have potential to be strong and high achieving.

That's the core tenet of the American dream, isn't it?

Hence my point that it is important to focus on empowerment. Give people the education they need to shine in their lives, no matter whether they are rich or poor by background. But set your standards high!
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Sure, if you get them when they are young.

If you get a grown up person, then no. They are already too far gone to suddenly now become high achieving individuals.

It can happen, but extremely rarely and needs some form of life altering situation to occure.

And I hate the word "empowerment". That is just silly talk from feminized men and women to make them feel better.

"we just need to empower them" and with that you feel better as you think you are doing your part.

It's not your part to take in the first place.

Only parents can empower a person, noone else. So if you really want to empower people, you need to start educating people on the value of family.
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Jesus expects us to help the poor when we can. Even if we don't have a lot ourselves. I have helped lots of people in my life and I never had much. But it is good to watch who you help. Especially in this day and age.

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Making someone "feel better about themselves", as noble as it sounds, is often patronizing and has the opposite effect. Rather, give people the chances they need, and allow them to show their true strength, by their own power.

But the power of inherited wealth is something else than the inner willpower that a person can have. Wealth can lead to laziness, not just in the poor, but also in the rich.
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Again it depends on the values that the parents instilled in their children.

Sure, if your dad is a rockstar chances are you will be a drug addict and a retard. If a person worked hard to succeed they will instill the same work ethics on their children.
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It doesn’t mean you let devil worshiping illegal aliens flood your country. Helping the poor is one thing, being stupid is another.
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It doesn’t mean you let devil worshiping illegal aliens flood your country. Helping the poor is one thing, being stupid is another.
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Devil worshipping?

What Devil are you speaking of?





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