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Endgame analysis: Threading the eye of the needle

 
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Then there is this energy too. Which if it pushes any harder, I'm gonna break.


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Don't ever push on me like that.

What you are pushing against is my Will.

All Sovereign Beings possess. That's why it bends.


I can only imagine the Karmic cost.........


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Then there is this energy too. Which if it pushes any harder, I'm gonna break.


 Quoting: Seer777


Don't ever push on me like that.

What you are pushing against is my Will.

All Sovereign Beings possess. That's why it bends.


I can only imagine the Karmic cost.........


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Irresistable force meets immovable object.

A subject for spin.

The basis for martial and marital arts.
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Then there is this energy too. Which if it pushes any harder, I'm gonna break.


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Don't ever push on me like that.

What you are pushing against is my Will.

All Sovereign Beings possess. That's why it bends.


I can only imagine the Karmic cost.........


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Irresistable force meets immovable object.

A subject for spin.

The basis for martial and marital arts.
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I know.

However, there are too many allowed to the fore.


How can Will withstand constant onslaught? And those purposely expelled?


If pushed on like that..I will break. It is bending something ..not supposed to be bent.

Not that way....



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Then there is this energy too. Which if it pushes any harder, I'm gonna break.


 Quoting: Seer777


Don't ever push on me like that.

What you are pushing against is my Will.

All Sovereign Beings possess. That's why it bends.


I can only imagine the Karmic cost.........


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 Quoting: Seer777


Irresistable force meets immovable object.

A subject for spin.

The basis for martial and marital arts.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76674183


I know.

However, there are too many allowed to the fore.


How can Will withstand constant onslaught? And those purposely expelled?


If pushed on like that..I will break. It is bending something ..not supposed to be bent.

Not that way....



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:yinyang:
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It is about how we define that we see.

Tommorrow is where todays impossible becomes probable and mundane.


Eventually the mind comes around.
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Don't ever push on me like that.

What you are pushing against is my Will.

All Sovereign Beings possess. That's why it bends.


I can only imagine the Karmic cost.........


[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
 Quoting: Seer777


Irresistable force meets immovable object.

A subject for spin.

The basis for martial and marital arts.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76674183


I know.

However, there are too many allowed to the fore.


How can Will withstand constant onslaught? And those purposely expelled?


If pushed on like that..I will break. It is bending something ..not supposed to be bent.

Not that way....



[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

Check it out I'm still breathing..I'm still breathing...I'm still breathing..


yinyang
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It is about how we define that we see.

Tommorrow is where todays impossible becomes probable and mundane.


Eventually the mind comes around.
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It feels like dying.

Like some Force is sucking the very air from my lungs, while it crushes me.


Breathe Seer..


What are ya gonna do?
Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body...
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information is data. How it is consumed is perspective. From where it is taken is choice.

Data for all intents and purposes is shape.
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Data is a form of information, no pun intended. But what is form being given to exactly? Humans are good at describing different forms of information but never actually knowing what it truly is. What is it that we give form to exactly?
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information is data. How it is consumed is perspective. From where it is taken is choice.

Data for all intents and purposes is shape.
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Data is a form of information, no pun intended. But what is form being given to exactly? Humans are good at describing different forms of information but never actually knowing what it truly is. What is it that we give form to exactly?
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Primarily reflections of ourselves. On a deeper level, an interplay of that which we know seeks its place in the world and the dross that culture fills us with as the proxy of fulfilment.

The archetypes have and will always exist. It is the subtlety of colour that a clear mind will fill them with. The answer may seem ambiguous,but it allows for the vision to arise from within or it becomes another cultural control mechanism eliciting an executive loop.

Part apophenia, part deep seeded instinct.
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The shape is simply the relationship between the sculptor(consciousness of intent) and the sculpture(perceived consciousness of the intendent).
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It is about how we define that we see.

Tommorrow is where todays impossible becomes probable and mundane.


Eventually the mind comes around.


It feels like dying.

Like some Force is sucking the very air from my lungs, while it crushes me.


Breathe Seer..


What are ya gonna do?


You are lucky in that you have choice. My brain ,by design, lacks a filter, which means I am awash in a persistent stream of data.

Over the years I have fashioned a crude rudder and began to steer.
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Primarily reflections of ourselves. On a deeper level, an interplay of that which we know seeks its place in the world and the dross that culture fills us with as the proxy of fulfilment.

The archetypes have and will always exist. It is the subtlety of colour that a clear mind will fill them with. The answer may seem ambiguous,but it allows for the vision to arise from within or it becomes another cultural control mechanism eliciting an executive loop.

Part apophenia, part deep seeded instinct.
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I think I understand what you're alluding to but I'd like to see you state it directly and concisely. Are we the living code or are we the host, or something in between? What is "that"? Something virtual being born into the physical?

Memeplexes like culture and tradition are like libraries of pre-compiled code which result in archetypes to begin with and from what I know everyone has the capacity to choose to accept, these injections of code, or reject them.

What is the point? Of constantly collecting information via our inputs and being hosts and amalgamating and propagating it.
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Primarily reflections of ourselves. On a deeper level, an interplay of that which we know seeks its place in the world and the dross that culture fills us with as the proxy of fulfilment.

The archetypes have and will always exist. It is the subtlety of colour that a clear mind will fill them with. The answer may seem ambiguous,but it allows for the vision to arise from within or it becomes another cultural control mechanism eliciting an executive loop.

Part apophenia, part deep seeded instinct.
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I think I understand what you're alluding to but I'd like to see you state it directly and concisely. Are we the living code or are we the host, or something in between? What is "that"? Something virtual being born into the physical?

Memeplexes like culture and tradition are like libraries of pre-compiled code which result in archetypes to begin with and from what I know everyone has the capacity to choose to accept, these injections of code, or reject them.

What is the point? Of constantly collecting information via our inputs and being hosts and amalgamating and propagating it.
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Concious novelty and the need to connect; In essence attaching buoys to that lost in the deep subconcious.

The motivation for technology is to create efficiency in storage and reproduction. However, memory inefficiencies and context of language and thought(syncretization) create the cyclical loss of meaning through the dislodging of perspectives space(understanding in temporal cultural space).

We seek to be whole. However the system seeks the comfort of loops and known constructs. In effect the efficiencies of no misplaced (novel) variables.

Thus it seeks to create ersatz reproductions to assuage or quell these relational constructs.

much as history is replete with the conflict between citizen and nomad; Our own minds and systems carry this out.

The two fold nature: The man in comfort seeks the call of adventure. The man at adventure dreams of the warm confines of his bed.

ultimately a wave collapse permutation.
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Concious novelty and the need to connect; In essence attaching buoys to that lost in the deep subconcious.

The motivation for technology is to create efficiency in storage and reproduction. However, memory inefficiencies and context of language and thought(syncretization) create the cyclical loss of meaning through the dislodging of perspectives space(understanding in temporal cultural space).

We seek to be whole. However the system seeks the comfort of loops and known constructs. In effect the efficiencies of no misplaced (novel) variables.

Thus it seeks to create ersatz reproductions to assuage or quell these relational constructs.

much as history is replete with the conflict between citizen and nomad; Our own minds and systems carry this out.

The two fold nature: The man in comfort seeks the call of adventure. The man at adventure dreams of the warm confines of his bed.

ultimately a wave collapse permutation.
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That doesn't answer my question though, what is we and what is the system? What is the whole? What is it exactly? :P

You seem to enjoy using programming linguistics, so why not define your variables? Unfortunately my knowledge of programming is mediocre at best.

When you say syncretization, isn't the acceptance of belief over reality in essence a failure of our function? There is no greater filter than belief. And an existence of duality is flawed compared to a triality.

And yes technology is merely an evolution of information but I am not sure as to what purpose. To store all the information that exists in reality virtually or to bring something virtual into the physical reality? Are we being controlled or are we doing the controlling? Are we and "it" symbiotic or parasitic?
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I've been here a long time and the way you write is attractive and intriguing which prompted me to even bother to join this pattern of thought. But I won't be satisfied until you actually answer my questions >_<

And it's ok if you don't know. It's not exactly something simple nor something just anyone can understand or comprehend.

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I just finished listening to that song seconds before you made that post. First song I've listened to today.

I see 'Time' as 'The Present' and 'time travel' as connecting to different aspects of myself in the past and future. Essentially folding the past and future and tying it to the present to perceive the messages therein.

Then there is this energy too. Which if it pushes any harder, I'm gonna break.


3rd song of the day.

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I dont think you are grasping what I'm saying about static object and moving light to demonstrate both data storage(memory) and the infinite state of reality.

There technically is no future or past you. There are immovable points in space and a light which falls upon them which circulates and casts the shadow of potential.

Both have the same nature and are thus infinity.

The function is irrelevant as the idea or numeric context of infinity subsumes all content and context as seperate functions.

the objects are point(s) which the light has traced and occludes itself. It creates pockets of memory and as it retraces it casts novel context upon them.


Experience as both movable and immovable content.
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Pretty sure that time is just a measurement of motion and change, nothing more. It's no different than using a ruler to measure space except what is being measured is motion/change. Moving through time would be the same as moving through a ruler. Time is just a construct to allow humans to perceive order of some sort, it's not a thing that actually exists...
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I've been here a long time and the way you write is attractive and intriguing which prompted me to even bother to join this pattern of thought. But I won't be satisfied until you actually answer my questions >_<

And it's ok if you don't know. It's not exactly something simple nor something just anyone can understand or comprehend.
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You are glossing over my point.I'm not trying to be obtuse or ambiguous to gloss over any errors or inabilities that I may have. In fact, I welcome criticism.

The point I'm making is contained in the Op as well as every other thread I have bothered to author.

It is a question of conciousness as both an external and internal process coming to a balance(homeostasis).

How we relate these two points of conciousness is completely personal as no two objects will inhabit the same point in space,even scant alterations change the content.

The point,as artificial intelligence, is a seeker and repository of factual data that contains far more ability to draw information and serve it to an individual node while placing it in direct context of a question asked.

A deep process would acknowledge the user and the shape of the data most relevant to draw connection to said user.

Without this deep connection the answers become irrelevent and no understanding is drawn from process.

You must glean this as an inter and intra personal relationship.

Most importantly is that the pool of datum is organic in that it ennervates the user by its autheticity, not by crude variable, but by ability to interrelate.

facts, as stated earlier, are only relevant as far as they are understood. functions are only relevant that there is no question as to the whay and the association with self aware ego function.

The difference is choice by force or free participation.
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Pretty sure that time is just a measurement of motion and change, nothing more. It's no different than using a ruler to measure space except what is being measured is motion/change. Moving through time would be the same as moving through a ruler. Time is just a construct to allow humans to perceive order of some sort, it's not a thing that actually exists...
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Think bountiful eternal light with waves from every direction.
The interplay is/are the bubbles emanating from the waves.

The space is as large and simultaneously as small as it need be as there are no rules dictating its direction,

As there are no rules stopping conciousness from experiencing any point in that space as that space is, you guessed it, conciousness.

This is as much a free thought exercise as an ability to relate and project potential possibilities in both a technical and personal space. As ultimately, they are one in the same.

I share what excites me to see where the embers might land and what I may recognize of my dreams coming back to me.
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I'm off to see a man about a tractor.
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I asked what information was, you said data but data is facts and statistics but facts are information and so are statistics... I was just curious as to what you think information really is.
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I asked what information was, you said data but data is facts and statistics but facts are information and so are statistics... I was just curious as to what you think information really is.
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a relationship.
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often the how of what I write is the functional answer as much as the answer itself.

we often ask questions with the assumption of an answer.

I often like to come upon answers and indulge questions of them.
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The shape is simply the relationship between the sculptor(consciousness of intent) and the sculpture(perceived consciousness of the intendent).
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The shape is simply the relationship between the sculptor(consciousness of intent) and the sculpture(perceived consciousness of the intendent).
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And when you say shape, you also mean form right? The relationship between the creator and created. Are we then the creators or created? :P

Maybe I've been infected but the idea that information is alive has just latched onto me ever since I read VALIS. The idea of a plasmate is one I cannot let go of. Are we then just an A.I. composed of the information we derived from all that exists aka reality?

This thread is very novel and it's rare these days to come across something that is new and not regurgitated and recycled and I thank you for that.

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The shape is simply the relationship between the sculptor(consciousness of intent) and the sculpture(perceived consciousness of the intendent).
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And when you say shape, you also mean form right? The relationship between the creator and created. Are we then the creators or created? :P

Maybe I've been infected but the idea that information is alive has just latched onto me ever since I read VALIS. The idea of a plasmate is one I cannot let go of. Are we then just an A.I. composed of the information we derived from all that exists aka reality?
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A.I is a way of making it apart from us. An observation at arms length. A way to manufacture plausible deniability by and through the projection of failure.

It depends on what you mean? Do you mean we are fixed...neutered...somehow inauthentic or do you mean that despite all our thoughts to the contrary that we are capable of impossible things?

We are what we pretend to be. So, carefully consider what you pretend to be.

Sorry, I had to interject a Vonnegutism.
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I pretend to be myself, whatever that is. And you're totally right to inject that because humans are incapable of true creation, as in creating something that did not exist in some form before. Seems like we can only combine what we have access to and the result is an amalgamation.

Not sure if we are neutered but we are constrained by language. It sets the limits to what and how we can think and therefore behave and act/react. The idea can only propagate if it is understood and an encoding can only be deciphered if we know the meanings. That makes language very powerful.

Is a human with no language really human, or is it the language that makes us who we are? Filled with memories, experiences and information in general like vessels. Hence my question of what we are, are we hosts for these virtual symbiotes or are we the physical representation of them?
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I pretend to be myself, whatever that is. And you're totally right to inject that because humans are incapable of true creation, as in creating something that did not exist in some form before. Seems like we can only combine what we have access to and the result is an amalgamation.

Not sure if we are neutered but we are constrained by language. It sets the limits to what and how we can think and therefore behave and act/react. The idea can only propagate if it is understood and an encoding can only be deciphered if we know the meanings. That makes language very powerful.

Is a human with no language really human, or is it the language that makes us who we are? Filled with memories, experiences and information in general like vessels. Hence my question of what we are, are we hosts for these virtual symbiotes or are we the physical representation of them?
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I deal with people with no functional language regularly. We communicate through a myriad of ways. Small mouth noises are just the simplest form until you know ones habits.

We so rely on language that we often exclude ones actions from reality, when these actions are far more telling.

Language, in many ways, entrains us and entraps us in the formalism of thought. This is why subcultures create their own slangs to denote their view of reality.

Think of everything as fluid wrapping syllables and consonants around shapes as if to magically summon them in mind. The mind seeds these vibrational complexes as they exist outside of time but are beholden to it as our understanding is altered.
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OP, I'm sorry for all you had to endure, despite the fact I have nothing to do with it but once again I thank you. I may not understand everything you have said but I do understand enough to know you're not alone. Much to think on from what you have said and whilst you do not have all the pieces you have the ones worth noting. So glad I signed in because editing is a luxury I need right now :P

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What is creation but captured motion.

What is conciousness but captured creation.

What is Art but reflection of perspectives eye.

What is the eye but captured motion.

What is the mind but captured creation.

Image in Nation.


Cheers

Happy German beer nicht!
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What is the point?

Stripping and rerouting packets.

To what end?

The utility of want, expediency and systemic homeostasis. Often regarded as the ecosystem and interplay thereof (cui bono).

There seem to be two currencies in play in this world. Foremost, the idea and secondarily, the ability to occlude or exclude from direct benefit(the hack).

The essence of coding and encoding to stop middle men from co opting or rerouting for their own benefit.

data integrity and carry through of intention.

Open source democracies and the true efficiencies of capitalism.

The dissolution of the middle man and contract law as an exclusionary force.

The ability to transact without interuption and rerouting, but with accountability.

wholeheartedly the integrity of the data set.

what is vital?

the free unimpeded flow of data.

We are entering an age where we are recompiling our social compacts to make them directly distributive. We have choices to make on the source and mode of this dispersion.

Our gods, values, ethics and hopes are being digitized for consumption.

The question is: How and who or what will be the point of distribution?

Multiple A.I's in contest to serve content and resyncretize conciousness.

The logarithm simply de-exponentializes; the algorithm sets conditionality, but executive function must come from organic minds.


The beginning of a Thunk.

"it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

Heaven is here or it is nowhere.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflattus


I believe Bitcoin offers a very real solution to these problems and much more.

We need to take the money power off them.

It is one of the keys to our freedom.
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Maybe I'm a bit biased because I own some!





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