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Jesus is THE HOLY SPIRIT.

 
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Jesus is God
"I and the Father are one" John 10:30

But wait, Jesus never said that He was God, nor did He ever say that He is the son of God. Imagine the reaction from the plebs had He claimed so..instant stoning.

Jesus said He was the Son of Man.

When He ascended, He left behind the Advocate (HIS Holy Spirit) for guidance. Indeed, right now every one of us is surrounded, penetrated by His spirit, it's what gives a Christian his powers.

What...you are a Christian and are devoid of powers, then you do not possess the Holy Spirit. Simple nukk!
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He did claim to be the Son of God

St. Mark 14:61 But he held his peace, and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked him, and said unto him, Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?
St. Mark 14:62 And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.


St. John 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

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John 8:42
Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me; for I proceeded forth and have come from God, for I have not even come on My own initiative, but He sent Me.


2 Beings. Father (God) and Son, Jesus, the Holy Spirit.
Jesus is also the Father God

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Too much incoherent nonsense. Sorry.
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That was easy for you.
Jesus is God. Read the Holy Bible. Jesus bless you.
Keep the Holy Spirit:
John 14:15
[15]If ye love me, keep my commandments.
John 15:5-6,9-10
[5]I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
[6]If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
[9]As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.
[10]If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

We show Jesus we love him by keeping his commandments, and in so doing he by the Spirit of God remains in us. If you don't keep his commandments then you don't love him and he is not in you.
10 commandments in Exodus chapter 20
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No trinity. God uses language we can understand. A father is older than his son. The Son came forth (begotten) from the Father. Together they send out their Spirit, i.e. the living water flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb in Revelation 22:1.

Jesus is the Comforter and the Spirit, He knows what we go through. The "holy ghost" of a supposed "trinity" doesn't know what it's like to be a human... but the Son does, the Son of man, Jesus Christ, the one whose "goings-forth have been from of old, from everlasting".

After speaking about the Comforter in John 14, all through John 17 Jesus prayed about His Father and Himself - no separate "holy spirit" is mentioned. Jesus is our Holy Spirit.

Christianity has virtually no knowledge of who their God is. Very sad.
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No trinity. God uses language we can understand. A father is older than his son. The Son came forth (begotten) from the Father. Together they send out their Spirit, i.e. the living water flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb in Revelation 22:1.

Jesus is the Comforter and the Spirit, He knows what we go through. The "holy ghost" of a supposed "trinity" doesn't know what it's like to be a human... but the Son does, the Son of man, Jesus Christ, the one whose "goings-forth have been from of old, from everlasting".

After speaking about the Comforter in John 14, all through John 17 Jesus prayed about His Father and Himself - no separate "holy spirit" is mentioned. Jesus is our Holy Spirit.

Christianity has virtually no knowledge of who their God is. Very sad.
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Thanks for posting. ... amen.. see you soon.
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"Holy Spirit" means "unblemished life".... it's Jesus.
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, the one whose "goings-forth have been from of old, from everlasting".


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Ecclesiasticus 1:5
The word of God most high is the fountain of wisdom; and her ways are everlasting commandments.

Proverbs 8:23
From everlasting I was established, from the beginning, before the earth began.
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Once upon a time, in a galaxy far, far away, there were three Gods. They were jealous Gods and found that together they could be more effective if they formed a posse to round up that loose cannon dude Darth Satan.

They cornered him on a small blue planet in the Dagobar system. He was running amok and had complete control over the dumbed out populace who were to busy with making whoopee to be bothered to look up.

The three Gods drew straws and the shortest was assigned to get the people to wake TF up. He went on down but as a cover appeared as a bouncing baby boy. He quickly grew and soon was able to show the throngs that he had some tricks up his sleeve.

When the people began to notice him he was riding with the Deliberate Disciple gang. He rode a brown donkey sport XP and was quite the sight. People were in awe of his front wheelstands and riding on water, so they said that he was the coolest dude they had ever known, that maybe he was the promised liberator.

Soon the news had reach Darth and he sent out stormtroopers to arrest and detain him. His gang were asleep at the time so they had no trouble except for one who thought he heard some one say "where's your buckeneers?". To which he replied, "not on you bucking head".

They tried him for speaking truths (cardinal sin) and proceeded to a full tribunal in the high court whereupon they found him guilty of speaking truth. They decided that the way forward was to make an example of this dude and took him out of the equation.

Little did they know that he was not done and came back to make sure his compadres could hold up their end of the game. He annointed them with sparks from his grinder and they went out speaking gibberish due to their eyes having grit in them. He left without giving them the script for eyedrops but promised to come back with goods...schoon!
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No trinity. God uses language we can understand. A father is older than his son. The Son came forth (begotten) from the Father. Together they send out their Spirit, i.e. the living water flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb in Revelation 22:1.

Jesus is the Comforter and the Spirit, He knows what we go through. The "holy ghost" of a supposed "trinity" doesn't know what it's like to be a human... but the Son does, the Son of man, Jesus Christ, the one whose "goings-forth have been from of old, from everlasting".

After speaking about the Comforter in John 14, all through John 17 Jesus prayed about His Father and Himself - no separate "holy spirit" is mentioned. Jesus is our Holy Spirit.

Christianity has virtually no knowledge of who their God is. Very sad.
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Thanks for posting. ... amen.. see you soon.
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Thank you for your thread. Thank you for trying.

I Corinthians 8:5-7a - "For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth (as there be gods many, and lords many); But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. Howbeit there is not in every man that knowledge."
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No trinity. God uses language we can understand. A father is older than his son. The Son came forth (begotten) from the Father. Together they send out their Spirit, i.e. the living water flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb in Revelation 22:1.

Jesus is the Comforter and the Spirit, He knows what we go through. The "holy ghost" of a supposed "trinity" doesn't know what it's like to be a human... but the Son does, the Son of man, Jesus Christ, the one whose "goings-forth have been from of old, from everlasting".

After speaking about the Comforter in John 14, all through John 17 Jesus prayed about His Father and Himself - no separate "holy spirit" is mentioned. Jesus is our Holy Spirit.

Christianity has virtually no knowledge of who their God is. Very sad.
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Thanks for posting. ... amen.. see you soon.
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Thank you for your thread. Thank you for trying.

I Corinthians 8:5-7a - "For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth (as there be gods many, and lords many); But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. Howbeit there is not in every man that knowledge."
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Jeremiah 10:12
It is he who made the earth by his power, who established the world by his wisdom, and by his understanding stretched out the heavens.

Hebrews 11:3
By faith we understand that the worlds were prepared by the word of God, so that what is seen was not made out of things which are visible.
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No, that would mean there are 2 Gods.
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No, there is one God: the Father. Jesus is the Lord, not God.

It's 1 God and 1 being with 2 aspects that you highlighted, 3 mentioned in the verse.
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1 Cor 8:6 says there is one God: the Father.

The Father is God and he is one.


Not Jesus.
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John 14:26But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send (3992) in My name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have told you.

John 15:26When the Advocate comes , whom I will send (3992) to you close beside the Father—the Spirit of truth who goes out close beside the Father—He will testify about Me.

John 14: 10Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me?
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2 Esdras 16:62-66


62 and the spirit of Almighty God; who made all things and searches out hidden things in hidden places.

63 Surely he knows your imaginations and what you think in your hearts! Woe to those who sin and want to hide their sins!

64 Because the Lord will strictly examine all their works, and will make a public spectacle of all of you.

65 And when your sins come out before men, you shall be put to shame; and your own iniquities shall stand as your accusers in that day.

66 What will you do? Or how will you hide your sins before God and his angels?
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No, that would mean there are 2 Gods.
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No, there is one God: the Father. Jesus is the Lord, not God.

It's 1 God and 1 being with 2 aspects that you highlighted, 3 mentioned in the verse.
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1 Cor 8:6 says there is one God: the Father.

The Father is God and he is one.


Not Jesus.
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John 14:26But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send (3992) in My name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have told you.
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John 4:25-26
25 The woman said to him, “I know that Messiah is coming (he who is called Christ). When he comes, he will tell us all things.” 26 Jesus said to her, “I who speak to you am he.”

1John.2. [1] My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: [2] And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
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Matthew 23:37: "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, killing the prophets and stoning those who are sent to you! How often would I have gathered your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you would not!"

Isaiah 34:16
For it is his mouth that has given the order, and his Spirit will gather them together.

1 Cor 5:4
In the name of our Lord Jesus, when you are gathered, and I with you in spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus,

Jn 14:26
But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.
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There is no third person.

Just God and Jesus (the Holy Spirit).



Sad to say but true Christians have Jesus in them, the Spirit who cries Abba Abba.



While the rest of the world has another spirit. ... who calls himself God




And sits in the temple of God our heart
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Matthew 23:37: "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, killing the prophets and stoning those who are sent to you! How often would I have gathered your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you would not!"

Isaiah 34:16
For it is his mouth that has given the order, and his Spirit will gather them together.


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Numbers 11:16
Then the LORD said to Moses, "Gather before me seventy men who are recognized as elders and leaders of Israel. Bring them to the Tabernacle to stand there with you.

Rev. 7:15These are the ones who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15For this reason, ‘They are before the throne of God and serve Him day and night in Histemple; and the One seated on thethrone will spread His tabernacle overthem. 
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I'm wrong? I'm denying simplicity?

Jesus said "I will give you a mouth and wisdom".

... But YOU say, "no, Jesus, the Father will give me His own Spirit and communicate with me personally, you are in no way my mediator between God and me."
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That's only your feeble twisted understanding of what I say.

Jesus is our mediator and advocate. Scripture PROVES this.

These TWO verses - Jesus OWN words - blow away your "Jesus is the Holy Spirit" gnonsense.

John 14:16 "I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever;

John 14:26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.

No matter WHAT verses you post to TRY to prove your "theory"...you CAN NOT GET PAST those verses.

1. Jesus will "ask" the Father.
2. The Father "WILL send".
3. "another Helper" - "He"

Jesus does NOT say "I will ask the Father will send MY spirit".

Yes...this is THAT simple and THAT clear.

Period. End of conversation.
I am but a humble Servant of the one True Living God.
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Jesus means = Yahweh saves

End of the story.
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Jesus is our mediator and advocate.

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You don't actually believe that, though, you just pay lip service to Christ; you believe in a "third person" who "dwells in you" and "mediates for you", who ISN'T Jesus, you hypocrite. You have two Lords.

But the Bible says there is only ONE Lord, Jesus. (1 Cor 8:6)

And in 2 Cor 3:17, it says:

Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.

Therefore, Jesus is the Spirit.




One God and one mediator. Not one God and TWO mediators.
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John 14:16 "I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever;
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Matthew 28:20
lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”

John 14:6
Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truthand the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

John 14:26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.


 Quoting: TheLordsServant


Matthew 23:8-10
But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren…
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Jesus means = Yahweh saves

End of the story.
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There are so many people with that name and similar in the Bible. It doesn't mean Jesus is God.
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John 5:40
But you are not willing to come to me so that you may have life.
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Jesus is our mediator and advocate.

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You don't actually believe that, though, you just pay lip service to Christ; you believe in a "third person" who "dwells in you" and "mediates for you", who ISN'T Jesus, you hypocrite. You have two Lords.

But the Bible says there is only ONE Lord, Jesus. (1 Cor 8:6)

And in 2 Cor 3:17, it says:

Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.

Therefore, Jesus is the Spirit.

One God and one mediator. Not one God and TWO mediators.
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I am but a humble Servant of the one True Living God.
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Job 33:4 "The Spirit of God made me, and gives me life."

John 10:28 "I give them eternal life."

John 14:6 “I am the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

John 1:4 "In Him was life"

John 6:63 "The Spirit gives eternal life."
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Jesus is our mediator and advocate.

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You don't actually believe that, though, you just pay lip service to Christ; you believe in a "third person" who "dwells in you" and "mediates for you", who ISN'T Jesus, you hypocrite. You have two Lords.

But the Bible says there is only ONE Lord, Jesus. (1 Cor 8:6)

And in 2 Cor 3:17, it says:

Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.

Therefore, Jesus is the Spirit.

One God and one mediator. Not one God and TWO mediators.
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sockpuppet bonghit beavis crazyjak blahblah5
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Your Lord is Satan; that old spirit who calls itself Abba who sits in the temple of God which is your heart.
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John 14:16 "I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever;
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Matthew 28:20
lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”

John 14:6
Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truthand the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

John 14:26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.
 Quoting: TheLordsServant


Matthew 23:8-10
But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren…
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Where does scripture say that the Holy Spirit has anything to do with us "coming to the Father"?

Where does scripture say that "Master" = EITHER "Father" NOR "Holy Spirit"?

It doesn't - and scripture proves your theory to be wrong.
I am but a humble Servant of the one True Living God.
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Where does scripture say that the Holy Spirit has anything to do with us "coming to the Father"?
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Jn 4:24
God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”

Eph 2:18
For through Him [Jesus] we both have access to the Father by one Spirit.


Where does scripture say that "Master" = EITHER "Father" NOR "Holy Spirit"?
 Quoting: TheLordsServant


YOU said that there is "another" who teaches us (WHO ISN'T JESUS), but we have ONE teacher (MASTER/Lord, Jesus; He teaches us, gives us wisdom, life, and feeds us manna. Not another.


The Holy Spirit who teaches us is Jesus.
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Jesus often spoke of Himself in the third person ("When the Son of man...", etc); Christians understand this. However, when it comes to His parable of the Comforter, all of a sudden they think Jesus is speaking about someone else, probably because of the word "another". Yet, He said to His disciples that it was a parable.

After He told them about the Comforter and they were mixed up, He explained it to them. In John 16:25 He said: "These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father." Then in v29 we see: "His disciples said unto him, Lo, now speakest thou plainly, and speakest no proverb."

Jesus spoke of the Comforter (Holy Spirit) in the third person. He also said "I will not leave you comfortless; I will come to you." Jesus Christ is that Spirit.
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Jesus often spoke of Himself in the third person ("When the Son of man...", etc); Christians understand this. However, when it comes to His parable of the Comforter, all of a sudden they think Jesus is speaking about someone else, probably because of the word "another". Yet, He said to His disciples that it was a parable.

After He told them about the Comforter and they were mixed up, He explained it to them. In John 16:25 He said: "These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father." Then in v29 we see: "His disciples said unto him, Lo, now speakest thou plainly, and speakest no proverb."

Jesus spoke of the Comforter (Holy Spirit) in the third person. He also said "I will not leave you comfortless; I will come to you." Jesus Christ is that Spirit.
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Never even realized it was a PARABLE.

Thank you.... amazing post.
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The Lord's Servant was actually the first one I heard from that the Father alone is God. So sad to see that he has been fighting day and night with trins while also still having a premium subscription to their "third one"