Jesus is THE HOLY SPIRIT.

You're both right. Jesus is the Holy Spirit which was before the creation, AND the humanoid, pre-incarnate "angel of the Lord" 1st born of all creation Jesus.

Last Edited by Jesus is also the Father God on 05/09/2019 09:19 PM

Yeah, very strange that he can discern that Jesus is also the Holy Spirit but not that the Holy Spirit is God and Creator of all things..

He's assuming that the Holy Spirit is something that was created or manifested from Jesus for us in time after his return to heaven.

Maybe hopefully he can reason these together:

St. John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
St. John 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Genesis 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

St. John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.


Basics. (Que TLS saying "the God of God moved upon the face of the waters, wut?!?!)

Reprobate cannot reason God is Spirit, Jesus is the Holy Spirit, Jesus is God. '1+1=2? Nooooooooo.'

Photine i do not beliwve ypu to be reprobate but it's an easy position to fall into, just don't yeild to truth, obedience, conviction, or commands from God Jesus.

Last Edited by Jesus is also the Father God on 05/09/2019 09:20 PM

Amen, but do you know what you're saying? I pray you grasp it because you are so close!

So far, only the Creator God has made anything, and there is only 1 God. So reason that with what you posted above. Jesus is the Spirit Creator = God. Jesus opens ypur eyes and heart and understanding amen. Thank you Jesus! Undoubtedly you will concede to the truth and understand the mystery following it.

Holy biblical truth.

Jude 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
Jude 1:5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.

It says God, then Lord God, then Lord. The next verse distinguishes which one he is commenting about, the Lord (Jesus), and they are all together in Jesus the living man.

Photine, your understanding and reasoning of the scriptures that Jesus is the Spirit of God cannot be debated except by reprobate or proud and foolish believers.

But there is error with your own reasoning following that. Humble yourself and let Jesus teach and guide you. Be willing to let go of anything, any belief, any information.

As a babe in Christ I did this a few times where I prepared myself to be wrong and asked Jesus to show me anything that is wrong and deliver me from it and i would go a few days allowing him to purge me of anything false and I unlatched EVERY thing I believed and knew, even the truth, that if he wanted to take anything that I was willing to let anything go for the truth.

Fear of the Lord is a necessary fear as it is also a commandment. I liken it to an earthquake that shakes up the bed of a river and the silt gets washed away and the rocks and foundation settle stronger. The bed is ypur soul.

That's 2 beings. Not one.

Lord God: the Father (One)

Lord: Jesus (the Holy Spirit) (Two)

No, that would mean there are 2 Gods.

It's 1 God and 1 being with 2 aspects that you highlighted, 3 mentioned in the verse.

When i refer to Jesus sometimes i refer to him in many aspects,
God, Father, Therapist, Lord, King, Savior, Best Friend, Awesome, Almighty and i can use as many comhinations of those as I wish to refer to the same being. He is God, and Lord God, and Lord. Ask why they used many titles for Jesus the only and living God. Maybe because Caesar was requiring people at the time to confess that only Caesar is Lord and God (I vaguely recall), so not only were the scriptures co te ding with the Hebrews but also the pagan gentile Roman decree to confess Caesar as Lord God.

Last Edited by Jesus is also the Father God on 05/09/2019 09:18 PM

No, there is one God: the Father. Jesus is the Lord, not God.



1 Cor 8:6 says there is one God: the Father.

The Father is God and he is one.


Not Jesus.

If the Father God is huamnoid (like the Son which is now human) and is God, and possesses the Spirit of God which also is God, are they 2 Gods or is it 1 God with 2 aspects?

The Father God is not a Lord? Jesus is the Lord of lords, what then is the Father, the Lord of the Lord of lords? If you saw the 2 Gods that you currently misunderstand standing side by side in heaven and said that Jesus is the King of kings and Lord of lords wouldn't that then put you in error?

Jesus is the only God, even the Father. All glory and honor and majesty and praise belong to God alone who Jesus is, amen.

Too much incoherent nonsense. Sorry.

Jesus OWN WORDS say that YOU are a LIAR.

John 3:16 (KJV) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

1 God - The Father - Jehovah - Yahuah etc...He is the Living God

1 Son OF God - the Christ - the Messiah - the Lamb OF God

The Holy Spirit is the Father's Spirit - whom the Father uses to communicate to each individual person, and to give each person specific information, like what happened at Pentecost.

The Bible is clear about ALL of that above.

You LIARS DENY what Jesus SAID.

Talk about REPROBATE.

...the Father is GREATER than I. John 14:28
...I do ONLY the Father's Will. John 6:37-39
...I PRAY to the Father. Matthew 26:36-42, Mark 14:32-39 & John 17
...I say what the Father has said. John 12:49-50
...I learned / do as the Father has showed me. John 5:19
...I give THANKS to the Father. John 11:41
...I don't KNOW when I will return...ONLY the Father KNOWS. Matthew 24:36
...I tell you to ask the Father in MY name. John 14:13
...I go to sit at the Father's right hand. Matthew 26:64 Mark 16:19
...I ASCEND to the Father, MY GOD and YOUR GOD. John 20:17
...the Father has given me authority. Matthew 28:18
...only the Father is good.. Luke 18:19

Acts 16:7
When they came to the border of Mysia, they tried to enter Bithynia, but the Spirit of Jesus would not allow them to


The Father's Spirit is named Jesus!?



2 Cor 13:3
since you are demanding proof that Christ is speaking through me. He is not weak in dealing with you, but is powerful among you.

Luke 21:15
For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.

Luke 12:12
For at that time the Holy Spirit will teach you what you should say."


Jesus said HE would communicate PERSONALLY to individuals, and give us wisdom.

Not "the Father's Spirit", but the man Jesus (the Lord). You don't believe Jesus is the Lord, you think the Father is.

Jesus is God
"I and the Father are one" John 10:30

But wait, Jesus never said that He was God, nor did He ever say that He is the son of God. Imagine the reaction from the plebs had He claimed so..instant stoning.

Jesus said He was the Son of Man.

When He ascended, He left behind the Advocate (HIS Holy Spirit) for guidance. Indeed, right now every one of us is surrounded, penetrated by His spirit, it's what gives a Christian his powers.

What...you are a Christian and are devoid of powers, then you do not possess the Holy Spirit. Simple nukk!

Jesus is "the power of God" (the Holy Spirit).

Not God.

NONSENSE.

ONLY your twisted understanding.

"Lord God" is the Father in verse 4.

The verse says "the Lord God AND our Lord Jesus Christ".

BOTH of them.

You accept Jesus but DENY Father God.

YOU are a LIAR.

Jesus OWN WORDS say that you are a LIAR.

You are literally the type of person described in Jude 4 who denies the Father and Son, which is antichrist.

I'm DONE trying to get you to SEE the SIMPLICITY of Jesus' words GIVEN to Him by the Father.

Your understanding is FLAT OUT WRONG.

You are not paying attention OP. God..Jesus..Holy Spirit are the same entity/ force. There is no hierarchy..full stop.

Where is the hierarchy in proton, neutron and electron..ah doesn't MATTER.

I'm wrong? I'm denying simplicity?

Jesus said "I will give you a mouth and wisdom".

... But YOU say, "no, Jesus, the Father will give me His own Spirit and communicate with me personally, you are in no way my mediator between God and me."

Not Biblical at all. Just your uninformed opinion.

2 Cor 3:17 Now YAHUAH is that RUACH: and where the RUACH YAHUAH{\i is}, there **\i is} liberty.

If my opinion is uninformed, yours is straight out lies. There is only one truth, everything else is bs...right?

2 Jn 1:2
Because of the truth, which lives in us and will be with us forever:

Jn 4:24
God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”

Eph 2:18
For through Him [Jesus] we both have access to the Father by one Spirit.

Matthew 28:20
lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”

John 14:6
Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

He did claim to be the Son of God

St. Mark 14:61 But he held his peace, and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked him, and said unto him, Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?
St. Mark 14:62 And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.


St. John 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

If the Father were separate from and not the Son of God also, then to command us to worship the Son is respecting persons. Why not tell y'all to worship me because of a good deed I did? Because I'm not God.

God the Son is the Father God as a human. If he were not human he wouldn't have been begotten of God through Mary.

Father and Son is Jesus. I can't deny the Father by worshiping Jesus as my Creator.

Ezekiel 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.