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Jesus is THE HOLY SPIRIT.

 
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I shall shew you plainly of the Father."
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Good one... it's settled then. Jesus is the Holy Spirit.

Spread the word.
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John 14:16 "I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever;
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Matthew 28:20
lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”

John 14:6
Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truthand the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

John 14:26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.
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Matthew 23:8-10
But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren…
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Where does scripture say that the Holy Spirit has anything to do with us "coming to the Father"?

Where does scripture say that "Master" = EITHER "Father" NOR "Holy Spirit"?

It doesn't - and scripture proves your theory to be wrong.
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How is it you feeld ypu can argue while ypu are so ignorant of scripture?
Master means teacher.

St. John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.


Your NWT is screwing up your brain.

You also ask what the Holy Spirit has to do with us coming to the Father, as an ignorant believer:

St. John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

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Jesus often spoke of Himself in the third person ("When the Son of man...", etc); Christians understand this. However, when it comes to His parable of the Comforter, all of a sudden they think Jesus is speaking about someone else, probably because of the word "another". Yet, He said to His disciples that it was a parable.

After He told them about the Comforter and they were mixed up, He explained it to them. In John 16:25 He said: "These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father." Then in v29 we see: "His disciples said unto him, Lo, now speakest thou plainly, and speakest no proverb."

Jesus spoke of the Comforter (Holy Spirit) in the third person. He also said "I will not leave you comfortless; I will come to you." Jesus Christ is that Spirit.
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I shall shew you plainly of the Father."
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Good one... it's settled then. Jesus is the Holy Spirit.

Spread the word.
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It's not settled because ypu say so but because Jesus is truth and truth never changes and he proved who he is. The truth was before there was anyone to deny it. We either conform to all truth by the guidance of Jesus the Holy God and Creator Spirit, or we don't.
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The Lord's Servant was actually the first one I heard from that the Father alone is God. So sad to see that he has been fighting day and night with trins while also still having a premium subscription to their "third one"
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Nader Mansour of revelation1412.org has fantastic sermons and explains things very well. One is "The Unknown Parable".

God the Father is the Source. Jesus has a God - His Father ("I ascend to My Father and your Father, to My God and your God."). Jesus, having come forth from God (Eve coming from Adam is the earthly example of this), is God, but Jesus is the Source. If He were the Source i.e. in a "trinity", He could not have died because they all would have failed and everything would have ceased to exist. Adam and Eve are both human, but Adam is the source and the head (earthly speaking), and I say this as a female.

Hebrews 1:8&9 - "But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows
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The Lord's Servant was actually the first one I heard from that the Father alone is God. So sad to see that he has been fighting day and night with trins while also still having a premium subscription to their "third one"
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Nader Mansour of revelation1412.org has fantastic sermons and explains things very well. One is "The Unknown Parable".

God the Father is the Source. Jesus has a God - His Father ("I ascend to My Father and your Father, to My God and your God."). Jesus, having come forth from God (Eve coming from Adam is the earthly example of this), is God, but Jesus is the Source. If He were the Source i.e. in a "trinity", He could not have died because they all would have failed and everything would have ceased to exist. Adam and Eve are both human, but Adam is the source and the head (earthly speaking), and I say this as a female.

Hebrews 1:8&9 - "But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows
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CORRECTION. Jesus is NOT the Source. God the Father is the only Source. Jesus is NOT the Source.
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I shall shew you plainly of the Father."
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Good one... it's settled then. Jesus is the Holy Spirit.

Spread the word.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75106368


It's not settled because ypu say so but because Jesus is truth and truth never changes and he proved who he is. The truth was before there was anyone to deny it. We either conform to all truth by the guidance of Jesus the Holy God and Creator Spirit, or we don't.
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I do believe you are in the "oneness" cult
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The Lord's Servant was actually the first one I heard from that the Father alone is God. So sad to see that he has been fighting day and night with trins while also still having a premium subscription to their "third one"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75106368

Nader Mansour of revelation1412.org has fantastic sermons and explains things very well. One is "The Unknown Parable".

God the Father is the Source. Jesus has a God - His Father ("I ascend to My Father and your Father, to My God and your God."). Jesus, having come forth from God (Eve coming from Adam is the earthly example of this), is God, but Jesus is the Source. If He were the Source i.e. in a "trinity", He could not have died because they all would have failed and everything would have ceased to exist. Adam and Eve are both human, but Adam is the source and the head (earthly speaking), and I say this as a female.

Hebrews 1:8&9 - "But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows
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The 1000 year reign is almost over.
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I shall shew you plainly of the Father."
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Good one... it's settled then. Jesus is the Holy Spirit.

Spread the word.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75106368


It's not settled because ypu say so but because Jesus is truth and truth never changes and he proved who he is. The truth was before there was anyone to deny it. We either conform to all truth by the guidance of Jesus the Holy God and Creator Spirit, or we don't.
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I do believe you are in the "oneness" cult
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Thank you Jesus! Did you know that Jesus is also?

St. John 10:30 I and my Father are one.
Jesus Christ is God. Read the Holy Bible, keep his commandments, obey all of his commands, save your soul.
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The Lord's Servant was actually the first one I heard from that the Father alone is God. So sad to see that he has been fighting day and night with trins while also still having a premium subscription to their "third one"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75106368

Nader Mansour of revelation1412.org has fantastic sermons and explains things very well. One is "The Unknown Parable".

God the Father is the Source. Jesus has a God - His Father ("I ascend to My Father and your Father, to My God and your God."). Jesus, having come forth from God (Eve coming from Adam is the earthly example of this), is God, but Jesus is the Source. If He were the Source i.e. in a "trinity", He could not have died because they all would have failed and everything would have ceased to exist. Adam and Eve are both human, but Adam is the source and the head (earthly speaking), and I say this as a female.

Hebrews 1:8&9 - "But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows
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CORRECTION. Jesus is NOT the Source. God the Father is the only Source. Jesus is NOT the Source.
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No, you were right. Jesus is God the Holy Spirit and Source.
Jesus Christ is God. Read the Holy Bible, keep his commandments, obey all of his commands, save your soul.
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Good one... it's settled then. Jesus is the Holy Spirit.

Spread the word.
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It's not settled because ypu say so but because Jesus is truth and truth never changes and he proved who he is. The truth was before there was anyone to deny it. We either conform to all truth by the guidance of Jesus the Holy God and Creator Spirit, or we don't.
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I do believe you are in the "oneness" cult
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Did you know that Jesus is also?
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Nope. And I'm not even going to try.
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The Lord's Servant was actually the first one I heard from that the Father alone is God. So sad to see that he has been fighting day and night with trins while also still having a premium subscription to their "third one"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75106368

Nader Mansour of revelation1412.org has fantastic sermons and explains things very well. One is "The Unknown Parable".

God the Father is the Source. Jesus has a God - His Father ("I ascend to My Father and your Father, to My God and your God."). Jesus, having come forth from God (Eve coming from Adam is the earthly example of this), is God, but Jesus is the Source. If He were the Source i.e. in a "trinity", He could not have died because they all would have failed and everything would have ceased to exist. Adam and Eve are both human, but Adam is the source and the head (earthly speaking), and I say this as a female.

Hebrews 1:8&9 - "But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows
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CORRECTION. Jesus is NOT the Source. God the Father is the only Source. Jesus is NOT the Source.
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Jesus is God
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No, there is only one God: the Father (1 Cor 8:6).

Repent.
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2 Cor 3:16-17
…16But whenever anyone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. 17Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.

Ephesians 4:4,5
There is one Spirit, one Lord

1 Cor 15:47
The second man is the Lord from heaven.

Ephesians 6:17
The Spirit is the Word of God.
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This new testament was written by a handful of people who were making stuff up as they went along. Then later redactors like pollycarp tuned the letters into a jumbled mess.

But even without the latter the idea that 10 or 12 guys who started a cult have the actual answers to the universe or spirituality is utterly insane.

It is also demonstrable that the 4 gospels are actually narratives based on some source text of "sayings" and stories.

John is a completely Gnostic version of this that was written much later and has a completely different Jesus than the other three.

None of these NT works have any actual fact or truth about life or reality. Even their assessment of the human condistion is wrong.

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2 Cor 3:16-17
…16But whenever anyone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. 17Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.

Ephesians 4:4,5
There is one Spirit, one Lord

1 Cor 15:47
The second man is the Lord from heaven.

Ephesians 6:17
The Spirit is the Word of God.
 Quoting: Photine 75106368


This new testament was written by a handful of people who were making stuff up as they went along. Then later redactors like pollycarp tuned the letters into a jumbled mess.

But even without the latter the idea that 10 or 12 guys who started a cult have the actual answers to the universe or spirituality is utterly insane.

It is also demonstrable that the 4 gospels are actually narratives based on some source text of "sayings" and stories.

John is a completely Gnostic version of this that was written much later and has a completely different Jesus than the other three.

None of these NT works have any actual fact or truth about life or reality. Even their assessment of the human condistion is wrong.
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Wasted your time writing all that.
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The Lord's Servant was actually the first one I heard from that the Father alone is God. So sad to see that he has been fighting day and night with trins while also still having a premium subscription to their "third one"
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Nader Mansour of revelation1412.org has fantastic sermons and explains things very well. One is "The Unknown Parable".

God the Father is the Source. Jesus has a God - His Father ("I ascend to My Father and your Father, to My God and your God."). Jesus, having come forth from God (Eve coming from Adam is the earthly example of this), is God, but Jesus is the Source. If He were the Source i.e. in a "trinity", He could not have died because they all would have failed and everything would have ceased to exist. Adam and Eve are both human, but Adam is the source and the head (earthly speaking), and I say this as a female.

Hebrews 1:8&9 - "But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows
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That reference to the old testament is not only taken out of context but words are added and changed. (paul and his group did this all the time, but so did the others)

In our time when groups do that.. do you know what wee call them? CULTS. What do you think was going on then? people starting a new religion with things taken wildly out of context and added to or changed and then passed off to common people who didn't know any better as prophesy or truth.

Most of the stuff if not all of it, in the new testament is ripped out of its historical context and twisted to apply to the Jesus character by the creators of the NT Jesus cult.
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2 Cor 3:16-17
…16But whenever anyone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. 17Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.

Ephesians 4:4,5
There is one Spirit, one Lord

1 Cor 15:47
The second man is the Lord from heaven.

Ephesians 6:17
The Spirit is the Word of God.
 Quoting: Photine 75106368


This new testament was written by a handful of people who were making stuff up as they went along. Then later redactors like pollycarp tuned the letters into a jumbled mess.

But even without the latter the idea that 10 or 12 guys who started a cult have the actual answers to the universe or spirituality is utterly insane.

It is also demonstrable that the 4 gospels are actually narratives based on some source text of "sayings" and stories.

John is a completely Gnostic version of this that was written much later and has a completely different Jesus than the other three.

None of these NT works have any actual fact or truth about life or reality. Even their assessment of the human condistion is wrong.
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Wasted your time writing all that.
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Not really..
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The Lord's Servant was actually the first one I heard from that the Father alone is God. So sad to see that he has been fighting day and night with trins while also still having a premium subscription to their "third one"
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1. In scripture, does Jesus EVER say "worship ME"?

2. Where does scripture tell us to "worship the Holy Spirit"?

1 Nope and 2 No Where.

Jesus CLEARLY states there is ONE God - the Father.

BOTH Jesus and the Holy Spirit do ONLY the Father's Will.
BOTH Jesus and the Holy Spirit are "SENT".

Jesus is "allowed" to receive "honor" (worship) as He is the Son OF God - heir to ALL things.

Scripture is clear about these things, and it's sad to see you twist around so many verses to make your "theory" work.

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That reference to the old testament is not only taken out of context but words are added and changed. (paul and his group did this all the time, but so did the others)

In our time when groups do that.. do you know what wee call them? CULTS. What do you think was going on then? people starting a new religion with things taken wildly out of context and added to or changed and then passed off to common people who didn't know any better as prophesy or truth.

Most of the stuff if not all of it, in the new testament is ripped out of its historical context and twisted to apply to the Jesus character by the creators of the NT Jesus cult.
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Merely your twisted interpretation and opinion.

Nothing else.

You're not a Believer - so WHY do you feel the need to comment on topics concerning Belief?
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Sigh... Here we go again.

1. In scripture, does Jesus EVER say "worship ME"?
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Strawman fallacy.

I never said to worship Jesus (The Holy Spirit), ever.

2. Where does scripture tell us to "worship the Holy Spirit"?
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Strawman fallacy.

I am not saying to worship the Holy Spirit (Jesus).

Jesus CLEARLY states there is ONE God - the Father.
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I agree with you, dum dum; that's not even the thread topic. Jesus (The Holy Spirit) is not God. I believe in one God: The Father, just like you.

BOTH Jesus and the Holy Spirit do ONLY the Father's Will.
BOTH Jesus and the Holy Spirit are "SENT".
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You are blind to Jesus, who is no longer human being but the Spirit.
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John 14:20
On that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you are in Me, and I am in you.

Col 1:27
To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
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2 Cor 3:16-17
the Lord is the Spirit

Ephesians 4:4,5
There is one Spirit, one Lord

Revelation 16:13; 13:4; 12:9
And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon,... and they worshipped the dragon. Satan, which deceiveth the whole world:
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No third person of the godhead
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No third person of the godhead
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There is no "godhead".

Look up the histoy of the verses that declare such.

Jesus is not a "person of godhead"

He's the Son OF God.

NOT God's "Holy Spirit" like you are claiming.

Scripture CLEARLY differentiates between the 2.

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No third person of the godhead
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Jesus is the Son OF God.

NOT God's "Holy Spirit" like you are claiming.

Scripture CLEARLY differentiates between the 2.
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Scripture does NOT differentiate.

You just refuse to accept it:

1 Cor 8:6
There is only one Lord, Jesus Christ

Ephesians 4:4
There is one Spirit

2 Cor 3:17
the Lord is the Spirit

2 Corinthians 3:18
...which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.

So yes, Jesus, the Lord, is the Holy Spirit, through which God created all.

Amen?
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We all know that The Lord's Servant understands that there is only ONE God..

But why oh why can't he understand that there is only ONE Lord, Jesus!
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We all know that The Lord's Servant understands that there is only ONE God..

But why oh why can't he understand that there is only ONE Lord, Jesus!
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WHY can't you understand the BELOW things? SIMPLE things?

"Lord" does NOT equal "Holy Spirit".

Where does Jesus say the Holy Spirit is "MY spirit"?

He doesn't.

On TOP of that, Jesus refers to the Holy Spirit as..."HE".

NOT "Me" NOR "MINE".

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Scripture does NOT differentiate.

You just refuse to accept it:

1 Cor 8:6
There is only one Lord, Jesus Christ

Ephesians 4:4
There is one Spirit

2 Cor 3:17
the Lord is the Spirit

2 Corinthians 3:18
...which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.

So yes, Jesus, the Lord, is the Holy Spirit, through which God created all.

Amen?
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bullshit
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"Lord" does NOT equal "Holy Spirit".
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But the Scriptures do say:

2 Cor 3:17
The Lord is the Spirit.


Where does Jesus say the Holy Spirit is "MY spirit"?

Romans 8:9
You, however, are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, since God's Spirit lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of the Messiah, he does not belong to him.

John 14:17
the Spirit of truth. You know Him, for He lives with you and will be in you.

Acts 16:7
And when they came to the border of Mysia, they tried to enter Bithynia, but the Spirit of Jesus would not permit them.
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Jesus is the Holy Spirit.





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