Grateful Dead Cornell 5/8/77 Anniversary

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Last Edited by Cosmic Charlie on 05/10/2019 06:41 PM

No offense, but Deadheads talking shows reminds me of when I was a little kid collecting/talking/trading baseball cards.

My GF saw roughly 300 shows, including many backstage with her former BF who did sound. Not a DH myself, but I have witnessed the magic when the jamming becomes transcendent.

Well, there ya go. It takes all kinds, eh? Here you are, if your story is as you say, having "witnessed the magic when the jamming becomes transcendent," seemingly many times and yet it didn't take, while I took someone to only a single show, and they got it instantly and became totally into it at once and never looked back.

No offense at the baseball reference. It reminded me of a wonderful analogy Gans came up with years ago that is just exactly perfect:

Grateful Dead concerts are like baseball games: no two are ever alike. The plays are always different, and there's always fresh hope. Sometimes the game's an all-timer even though individual performances are sloppy; sometimes everybody plays great but the team loses anyway.

Some people thrive on yesterday's moments, and aren't too keen on the way the game's played today. Some have only been fans since last year and don't care what happened way back when. You can cherish the great victories and triumphant seasons and chart them across decades, or you can go simply for the enjoyment of tonight and to hell with the standings. Like all the great teams, the Dead have their pennant years and bleak innings, perfect games and whippings, hits and foul balls, heroes and goats.

To many they're an institution, to some mere child's play, and to others the Grateful Dead is more or less an indispensable part of life. There are those who say the game's too slow, that the brief moments of action and excitement are too few and far between. Like "America's Favorite Pastime," the Dead are both celebrated and criticized, and some people will never see what's to enjoy.

Like big-league fans, Deadheads are as varied as the game is long. There are scorekeepers who record every detail for statistical analysis and a place in the Hall of Fame; camera buffs and video freaks; armchair umpires, die-hards, groupies. Some are bleacher bums who'd be in the stands no matter who was playing; and there are even spousal fans who go because if they didn't, they'd be left home alone. A lot of people attend because they've always gone and really don't care to stop.

It may take a few visits to grasp the subtleties, but if you let yourself into the flow of things, there's something to enjoy from the very first moment you're there. As the old saying goes, the mind believes what the mind believes: Grateful Dead is cerebral if you choose to analyze it, but it's basic and instinctive too. Like the game of baseball.

Really saw a recent pic on fb of weir posing with cops

Kinda lost all respect

Yes, it's the anniversary day for this titanic Other One. Thanks for starting this thread, op.

I know lots of people don't get the fuss about how great the Dead was, and they don't really seem to be the stuff of GLP on the surface, but hey, they are actually fit the mold here more than most of the content these days, given all the connections to the conspiracy to create the counter culture.

I just learned this morning that Jerry had a security clearance from his days in the army. Of course, we've all heard the whispers of stuff over the years, but this is the first time I heard details from his actual army file gotten from an FOIA.

Ok, I'll bite. Why did you lose all respect?

Because it's just more confirmation of those guys being in bed with the govt./freemasons

Nvm the obvious sinister nomenclature of their whole branding schematic

Ah, I see. It is a weird (Weir-d?) situation, isn't it? But one of the strangest parts of digging into that connection between the supposed counter culture and the mainstream culture is that there really doesn't seem to be much separation at all.

Not really that strange bc any real divergence from the hive automaton is always targeted for re-absorption and redirected and sublimated back into the order of things

Perfect pick for this forum.

Cuz 5.8.77 never happened. One of MK Ultras biggest successes.

Yeah..I know. Theres tapes. Pre recorded. People think they were at a Dead show maybe. They werent, no show at Cornell that day. Trust me..I know.

The question becomes whether a "real" divergence is even possible on a large scale and what would constitute one in the first place.

The counter culture seems to have been an illusion, but it also seems to have been quite effective at dethroning the dominant culture, so was it the illusion or was the dominant culture the illusion?

Yeah, yeah. You know. Of course you do.

This was a great gaslighting exercise back in the day and has had durable legs.

Never trust a prankster, right?

Bohemian Grove / California Owl Ceremony LOL

Got to admit when I heard Weir was at One it made me - I'm Unsure What To Think ? and still today no sure what to think.

What Bob or anyone else does on their day off has NO impact on my life (that I know of)- so there's that (I Hope)

I'm Glad for what I have or have had - why create or go down a negative road ?

I'll let The Others One(s) sort out this conspiracy and other Dead related ...

Dead & Co are carrying the torch quite well - IMHO - have a listen - I get every DeadCo concert Audio/Video Live for free - hint hint - keep in touch

Got to admit if the Divide & Conquer was in the PTB Plan, Main Stream Society definitely became Divided when the Hippies surfaced - and still +-

Uh, judging from your screen name and avi, it would appear that what Weir does on his day off has had a significant impact on your life, since his behind the scenes stuff has impacted what was going on with the Dead and hence all of us who are deadheads.

The whole story isn't a simple dualism of good/bad, positive/negative.

Yeah, Dead & Co. are carrying the torch quite well, and that in itself raises questions of exactly what the torch is and leads right back to the questions you seem to want to avoid.

As for your getting the audio/video for free--hint hint-- no need to keep in touch because everyone can get them for free, so it ain't no big deal.

Divide & Conquer, Dead & Co., PTB, Playin' in the Band, what exactly is going on here?


Seriously, though, the divide seems to have been in play long before the hippies and it does seem to have been a concerted effort to retool or rebrand the mainstream society.

I saw the dead 30-40 times. awesome experiences.

nitrous balloons, $1 quesadillas, hacky sack, half-naked girls, ...

too bad it's over

Heh. Sounds like you saw the parking lot instead of the shows.



I have to imagine that all of this stuff lives on in the jamband scene.

are you familiar with 4-26-69 in chicago?

the dick's picks doesn't include the best part of the show.
this show is a necessary listen. i think the band partook this night. i asked constanten if he remembered if he was dosed this show, his answer was, "i think they got me that night." something like that anyway.

viola-feedback-what's become of the baby space-feedback-bid you goodnight.

Ok, so it's the 11th, which makes it now the anniversary of the longest Dark Star ever in Rotterdam. This seems to be a thing for some folks, but even though it's long, it's not particularly memorable compared to some of the other Stars of the tour, most notably 4/8, the king of the hill of Dark Stars, imo and a lot of others besides me.

But even more importantly, because this show got so much attention back when tapes from the tour were not as readily available, the night before in Amsterdam gets seriously overshadowed and even today, it's not widely known. This is a shame because that Other One is just insanely hot. Maybe that's why this night is a little meh. It's perfectly understandable that they were a little washed out after that monster.

Electric Factory Yes, another amazing show

I'll admit I've listened to Dick's Picks 26 many more times than the whole 4-26 show.

You've talked with Constanten?
I'm jealous

here's a few GD Sandwiches ...

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i've been lucky enough to play with him on stage a handful of times. insanenly intelligent guy and his wife is a true saint. he listened very astutely when i told him my story of a star that i watched in the sky that kept on blinking on and off. he didn't doubt it at all and asked if i noticed a pattern in the blinking. very smart feller. totally shut down the topic when i asked him about the GD and MKULTRA. an extremely awkward moment. i apologized and never brought it up again. i think i got my answer from that exchange though.

Yeah, it seems that from what I have heard on a few occasions that people have asked various band members about MK, it's quite the conversation ender.

It's unlikely we will ever get to the bottom of it, but the more that is learned, it's pretty hard to avoid the idea that the Dead were a serendipitous creation. There's just way too many coincidences and connections to the military and intelligence circles for it to have just fallen together.

Even so, they left a treasure chest of incredible music behind.

they've done way too much good for me to consider them working for the dark forces. they might be hellions but there's a lot of light they brought to the world.

to quote robert hunter, "can't sell your soul, leave that alone."

I know what you mean. Personally, they have been a large and overwhelmingly positive part of my experience over the years and regardless of how they got there or why, nothing can change that.

That's what makes digging into this stuff so odd, and I can see why a lot of people don't want to know anything about it or reject the idea outright. But as Hunter also said, nothing comes for free, and that is certainly the case here.

The whole thing may have been manufactured instead of coming together organically, but it was what it was and what it was was an incredible experience for me.

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Can anyone find Jerry Garcia Band 2-6-72...this night was absolutely mind blowing..best JGB by far!!!

I had it for years and even hooked a hot girlfriend from playing the music at my lift shack during my liftie days.

If anyone can find this I would be extremely happy!!

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