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I am starting to believe that the stewards used this incident as an opportunity to penalize a trainer they are suspicious of (Jason Servis - many accuse him of being a 'juicer') and to reward a trainer that is very well respected in racing (Bill Mott - the guy who trained Cigar).
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Two things -

First of Maximum Security got his start running a sixteen claimer. This was not a juiced horse, this was a horse run by the breeder for a low tag, who didn't know what they had until the horse won by crazy lengths.

Second, Bob Baffert is shady as fuck and he's won how many triple crown races in recent years? A few years back something like seven horses dropped dead in his barn. He's up to something funny and lots of people know it...

Servis, I don't know, but you don't juice a horse to run a sixteen claimer. Max was just that good.
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I am starting to believe that the stewards used this incident as an opportunity to penalize a trainer they are suspicious of (Jason Servis - many accuse him of being a 'juicer') and to reward a trainer that is very well respected in racing (Bill Mott - the guy who trained Cigar).
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Two things -

First of Maximum Security got his start running a sixteen claimer. This was not a juiced horse, this was a horse run by the breeder for a low tag, who didn't know what they had until the horse won by crazy lengths.

Second, Bob Baffert is shady as fuck and he's won how many triple crown races in recent years? A few years back something like seven horses dropped dead in his barn. He's up to something funny and lots of people know it...

Servis, I don't know, but you don't juice a horse to run a sixteen claimer. Max was just that good.
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There are two schools of thought o running him for a $16K tag.

1) They were sharp and rolled the dice. They knew he would win and were fairly confident he would not be claimed.

2) They were idiots who didn't know what they had and got lucky somebody didn't take the horse from him.

Neither of these situations would prove or disprove the horse being juiced.

Servis is very definitely suspected by some of juicing. Yes, people think Baffert juices as well. Anybody with a very high win % gets these suspicions.

I'm not claiming he was or was not juiced. I am saying many suspect him of it, and damn near everybody in the industry places Bill Mott on a pedestal.


Many fans think stewards would never take down Maximum Security if he were trained by Baffert. The 'other' high profile incident involving a DQ review involves Baffert's Bayern who won the Breeders Cup Classic in 2014. Plenty of people think he should have been DQd but wasn't because Baffert.

I'm glad Bayern wasn't DQd because I hit the superfecta in that race and was holding my breath thru the review.
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the horse needs to go to the glue factory, or to the Mexican horse meat slaughterhouse ...

it got spooked and drifted out of its lane ...

the horse needs to pay for what it did wrong

it cost its owner and betters a LOT of money ...

and money is what horse racing is all about
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Jockey is supposed to control the horse. He screwed up.
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I am starting to believe that the stewards used this incident as an opportunity to penalize a trainer they are suspicious of (Jason Servis - many accuse him of being a 'juicer') and to reward a trainer that is very well respected in racing (Bill Mott - the guy who trained Cigar).
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76879092


Two things -

First of Maximum Security got his start running a sixteen claimer. This was not a juiced horse, this was a horse run by the breeder for a low tag, who didn't know what they had until the horse won by crazy lengths.

Second, Bob Baffert is shady as fuck and he's won how many triple crown races in recent years? A few years back something like seven horses dropped dead in his barn. He's up to something funny and lots of people know it...

Servis, I don't know, but you don't juice a horse to run a sixteen claimer. Max was just that good.
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There are two schools of thought o running him for a $16K tag.

1) They were sharp and rolled the dice. They knew he would win and were fairly confident he would not be claimed.

2) They were idiots who didn't know what they had and got lucky somebody didn't take the horse from him.

Neither of these situations would prove or disprove the horse being juiced.

Servis is very definitely suspected by some of juicing. Yes, people think Baffert juices as well. Anybody with a very high win % gets these suspicions.

I'm not claiming he was or was not juiced. I am saying many suspect him of it, and damn near everybody in the industry places Bill Mott on a pedestal.


Many fans think stewards would never take down Maximum Security if he were trained by Baffert. The 'other' high profile incident involving a DQ review involves Baffert's Bayern who won the Breeders Cup Classic in 2014. Plenty of people think he should have been DQd but wasn't because Baffert.

I'm glad Bayern wasn't DQd because I hit the superfecta in that race and was holding my breath thru the review.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76879092


Who knows...

Before that race the horse breezed sloooowww

[link to www.equibase.com]

You think you have a super good horse and want an easy win, you're still better off starting at a $25 tag unless it's a problem horse that acts up, or just isn't showing anything. The breeder often doesn't care but will usually try to hang on to a potential champ by running higher or flip it in an auction.
No trainer really knows how their horse will run until it races. Particularly whether they are mentally sound for it, or have the heart to win. Heart is the hardest factor to predict in advance.

Either way, that War of the Will jock ran a shitty ride, running into Maximum Security's ass and I thought that watching the race even before all those slow mo videos came out.
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It's not over yet.
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Horse racing...about as exciting as watching paint dry...or even worse...soccer.
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I'm a Kentuckian and I agree.

Bunch of nonsense. I'd rather watch rats fuck than the derby.

But all racing is retarded. Watching shit go in circles is mudane and pointless.
 Quoting: Dr. Acula


Hmm...you don't get it.

I never watch, never go to the track, my hobby is predicting superfectas with stats and a spreadsheet, once in awhile I bet from home and once in awhile win the superfectas.

It is a thrill to predict them and never watch.
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Such bullshit. This happens all the time and never gets enforced. Just like high sticking in hockey. Only called when a ref wants to bust balls or it is too egregious i.e. hockey stick cuts someone.
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Not really. Horses DO get DQd all the time.

The problem as I see it is that in the NFL if they review a call the public usually watches reviews with commentary by the broadcasters and 95% of the time you know what decision is coming.

There is nothing close to that in racing. Everybody just sort of holds their breath until the stewards make a decision and even though I've been a fan since I was 8 and now work in the industry I don't have a clue what decision is coming. It's a coin flip. There is no consistency and states have different rules. Those rules are interpreted differently by different stewards.

We tend to just accept that fact in racing. When a horse is DQd in a big race like this it just leaves a bad taste in everybody's mouth - especially those who aren't paying attention to racing very often.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76879092



Very true.

DQs or position shifts by stewards are not uncommon.

I posted the video that shows that War of Will may have been kicking Maximum Security before he broke out of his lane. If fact that video is titled in defense of jockey - who now got 15 days.

But, Maximum Security definitely broke out of this lane by a lot to the outside and then swung back in towards the rail and disrupted the inside horse. It was easy to see in real time and anyone who is fan knew that was potential inquiry action.
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Who had a million dollars on 65:1 County House??
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the same person/persons who bought the 9-11 "put" options
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Horse racing...about as exciting as watching paint dry...or even worse...soccer.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77449933


I'm a Kentuckian and I agree.

Bunch of nonsense. I'd rather watch rats fuck than the derby.

But all racing is retarded. Watching shit go in circles is mudane and pointless.
 Quoting: Dr. Acula


Hmm...you don't get it.

I never watch, never go to the track, my hobby is predicting superfectas with stats and a spreadsheet, once in awhile I bet from home and once in awhile win the superfectas.

It is a thrill to predict them and never watch.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71388910


LOL

I used to do the superfectas.

I would do it based on odds ... throw a lot of horses in. I used to win some.
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Maximum Security was being assaulted over and over again,
there is no doubt, he was
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Horse racing...about as exciting as watching paint dry...or even worse...soccer.
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I'm a Kentuckian and I agree.

Bunch of nonsense. I'd rather watch rats fuck than the derby.

But all racing is retarded. Watching shit go in circles is mudane and pointless.
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ou ever been to the weiner nationals?
Now thats racing!

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Horse racing...about as exciting as watching paint dry...or even worse...soccer.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77449933


I'm a Kentuckian and I agree.

Bunch of nonsense. I'd rather watch rats fuck than the derby.

But all racing is retarded. Watching shit go in circles is mudane and pointless.
 Quoting: Dr. Acula


Hmm...you don't get it.

I never watch, never go to the track, my hobby is predicting superfectas with stats and a spreadsheet, once in awhile I bet from home and once in awhile win the superfectas.

It is a thrill to predict them and never watch.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71388910


LOL

I used to do the superfectas.

I would do it based on odds ... throw a lot of horses in. I used to win some.
 Quoting: A1Janitor


It is fun stuff with .10 superfectas.
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Horse racing...about as exciting as watching paint dry...or even worse...soccer.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77449933


I'm a Kentuckian and I agree.

Bunch of nonsense. I'd rather watch rats fuck than the derby.

But all racing is retarded. Watching shit go in circles is mudane and pointless.
 Quoting: Dr. Acula


Except the Nurburgring, ohhh yea.

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Who had a million dollars on 65:1 County House??
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Exactly.that’s the real question .
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The brother of maximum security jockey died in a accident in a race a couple years ago.
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I am starting to believe that the stewards used this incident as an opportunity to penalize a trainer they are suspicious of (Jason Servis - many accuse him of being a 'juicer') and to reward a trainer that is very well respected in racing (Bill Mott - the guy who trained Cigar).
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76879092


Two things -

First of Maximum Security got his start running a sixteen claimer. This was not a juiced horse, this was a horse run by the breeder for a low tag, who didn't know what they had until the horse won by crazy lengths.

Second, Bob Baffert is shady as fuck and he's won how many triple crown races in recent years? A few years back something like seven horses dropped dead in his barn. He's up to something funny and lots of people know it...

Servis, I don't know, but you don't juice a horse to run a sixteen claimer. Max was just that good.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77286840


There are two schools of thought o running him for a $16K tag.

1) They were sharp and rolled the dice. They knew he would win and were fairly confident he would not be claimed.

2) They were idiots who didn't know what they had and got lucky somebody didn't take the horse from him.

Neither of these situations would prove or disprove the horse being juiced.

Servis is very definitely suspected by some of juicing. Yes, people think Baffert juices as well. Anybody with a very high win % gets these suspicions.

I'm not claiming he was or was not juiced. I am saying many suspect him of it, and damn near everybody in the industry places Bill Mott on a pedestal.


Many fans think stewards would never take down Maximum Security if he were trained by Baffert. The 'other' high profile incident involving a DQ review involves Baffert's Bayern who won the Breeders Cup Classic in 2014. Plenty of people think he should have been DQd but wasn't because Baffert.

I'm glad Bayern wasn't DQd because I hit the superfecta in that race and was holding my breath thru the review.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76879092


Who knows...

Before that race the horse breezed sloooowww

[link to www.equibase.com]

You think you have a super good horse and want an easy win, you're still better off starting at a $25 tag unless it's a problem horse that acts up, or just isn't showing anything. The breeder often doesn't care but will usually try to hang on to a potential champ by running higher or flip it in an auction.
No trainer really knows how their horse will run until it races. Particularly whether they are mentally sound for it, or have the heart to win. Heart is the hardest factor to predict in advance.

Either way, that War of the Will jock ran a shitty ride, running into Maximum Security's ass and I thought that watching the race even before all those slow mo videos came out.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77291655


The trainer is known for workouts like that. The workout shows a 4 furlong workout but in reality the horse did a slow and steady mile.

Since the West's didn't lose the horse when he ran for $16K I don't get the criticism. Like you said, you don't really know what you have until the horse runs.
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I saw the link to that at the bottom of the page, but it was from 2011.
"I have come to the conclusion that all news should be treated like 9/11, assume it is a psyop with actors participating in a staged event complete with props, until proven otherwise, in which case assume whatever is being recorded, reported, televised, is distortions/lying by omission/outright lies, until proven otherwise." - Anonymous, 4-13-12
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Let me be the first to ask; who the hell gives a fook? We don’t have more important things to be concerned about. It’s fooking gambling for fooks sake.
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Horse racing...about as exciting as watching paint dry...or even worse...soccer.
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I'm a Kentuckian and I agree.

Bunch of nonsense. I'd rather watch rats fuck than the derby.

But all racing is retarded. Watching shit go in circles is mudane and pointless.
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chuckle
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Possums, not rats
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The brother of maximum security jockey died in a accident in a race a couple years ago.
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Luis Saez is not the brother of Michael Baze.

Juan Saez died a couple days ago at Indian Downs. Not sure if he is related to Luis Saez or not. They are both from Panama, as is Gabriel Saez who was the jockey on By My Standards.
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Horse racing...about as exciting as watching paint dry...or even worse...soccer.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77449933


I'm a Kentuckian and I agree.

Bunch of nonsense. I'd rather watch rats fuck than the derby.

But all racing is retarded. Watching shit go in circles is mudane and pointless.
 Quoting: Dr. Acula


ou ever been to the weiner nationals?
Now thats racing!


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Weaner pig races are fun to watch too. They all know that there's a trough full of treats at the finish line, so they all DO run as fast as they can to get there first!
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The brother of maximum security jockey died in a accident in a race a couple years ago.
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Luis Saez is not the brother of Michael Baze.

Juan Saez died a couple days ago at Indian Downs*. Not sure if he is related to Luis Saez or not. They are both from Panama, as is Gabriel Saez who was the jockey on By My Standards.
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*Indiana Grand.


[link to www.wthr.com (secure)]
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It's the horses fault?

That's a good one.
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No they really want to blame Trump.
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Who had a million dollars on 65:1 County House??
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the same person/persons who bought the 9-11 "put" options
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Yes, on 9-10
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Horse racing...about as exciting as watching paint dry...or even worse...soccer.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77449933


I'm a Kentuckian and I agree.

Bunch of nonsense. I'd rather watch rats fuck than the derby.

But all racing is retarded. Watching shit go in circles is mudane and pointless.
 Quoting: Dr. Acula


ou ever been to the weiner nationals?
Now thats racing!


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Canterbury Park does an incredible job making a family friendly day at the races. Absolutely love that place.
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Interesting video here:

[link to www.courier-journal.com (secure)]
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Very interesting video.
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the horse needs to go to the glue factory, or to the Mexican horse meat slaughterhouse ...

it got spooked and drifted out of its lane ...

the horse needs to pay for what it did wrong

it cost its owner and betters a LOT of money ...

and money is what horse racing is all about
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he's just a baby!
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Who had a million dollars on 65:1 County House??
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No one. Via twin spires largest bet on CH was $2500.
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the horse needs to go to the glue factory, or to the Mexican horse meat slaughterhouse ...

it got spooked and drifted out of its lane ...

the horse needs to pay for what it did wrong

it cost its owner and betters a LOT of money ...

and money is what horse racing is all about
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77225709


forgot to add, cost me money too ... but made the owners of the undeserving "winner" a lot of money ...

put the horse DOWN
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77225709


You could be like others and figure the 65-1 was worth dropping a little on since you’re already betting. I did. Yay Country House & stewards!