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'opioid crisis' vs 'pain crisis'. Which side are you on?

 
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'opioid crisis' vs 'pain crisis'. Which side are you on?
I get very upset seeing people who really need opiates, being denied them. The OVERREACTION is worse than the original problem IMO. It is getting worse every day.

People with acute pain after surgery are being tortured.

The more you push people out of the system and into the streets, the more are going to die. Is that the goal?

Some people are allergic to aspirin, ibuprofen, acetaminophen. Guess we should provide wood sticks for them to bite down on until they heal.

Welcome to AI legislation.
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Re: 'opioid crisis' vs 'pain crisis'. Which side are you on?
The answer is cannabis.
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Legalize it all. Let God sort it out.
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Legalize it all. Let God sort it out.
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Pretty much. Its so wrong that people seeking natural plant based medicines are being killed by freaks putting in fentanyl and other adulterants.
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The answer is cannabis.
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Great alternative if it can take the pain away.
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Re: 'opioid crisis' vs 'pain crisis'. Which side are you on?
I don't really know what my opinion is. I know that pain pills are a dangerous tight rope. Obviously not everyone abuses them, but the people with prescriptions who do abuse them probably started out simply in pain, and then it escalated. It's so bad here that some doctors won't even see people with a history of use because they "doctor shop" when refused more pills. Then they sell everything they have to buy them off the street.

From a personal standpoint, I'd probably choose weed for chronic pain, simply because I don't like it. I know that makes no sense to most....I don't know what the answer is. But I know it must be terrible to always be in pain, though it sucks to see so many people addicted to pills.
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I had a neighbor tell me his son was arrested for heroin...he must be in real pain
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I get very upset seeing people who really need opiates, being denied them. The OVERREACTION is worse than the original problem IMO. It is getting worse every day.

People with acute pain after surgery are being tortured.

The more you push people out of the system and into the streets, the more are going to die. Is that the goal?

Some people are allergic to aspirin, ibuprofen, acetaminophen. Guess we should provide wood sticks for them to bite down on until they heal.

Welcome to AI legislation.
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I feel bad for the people who really need it and don’t abuse it.

My Mom was dying from cancer in 2015 and her doctor had her pretty much on Vicodin 24 hours a day, the pharmacy made her feel so bad one day she came home crying.

I went there and said she’s been a customer her entire life with you guys, she’s dying of cancer and you make her feel like a junky? They claimed they didn’t know she was so ill.

I was so mad, after that she never had a problem but she only lived about 3 months.
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Re: 'opioid crisis' vs 'pain crisis'. Which side are you on?
I don't really know what my opinion is. I know that pain pills are a dangerous tight rope. Obviously not everyone abuses them, but the people with prescriptions who do abuse them probably started out simply in pain, and then it escalated. It's so bad here that some doctors won't even see people with a history of use because they "doctor shop" when refused more pills. Then they sell everything they have to buy them off the street.

From a personal standpoint, I'd probably choose weed for chronic pain, simply because I don't like it. I know that makes no sense to most....I don't know what the answer is. But I know it must be terrible to always be in pain, though it sucks to see so many people addicted to pills.
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Thank you for your input.
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Dad is 80 and won't take an opioid, I tried explaining it's ok to get hooked at 80 if that should happen...but he managed without and that's the way he wants it.

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The answer is cannabis.
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This.

Opiods are only for the terminally ill.

Fuck the licensed drug dealers ruining lives.

My professional neighbor was given opiods for migraines. He had to do 90 days in rehab after just a couple months. Couldn't get off them.

My old boss had bypass surgery, where they had to go back in quick, and they cut his ribs. They wouldn't heal, because of all the coughing that follows bypass. Gave him opiods. 65 years old and he ends up in rehab for opiod addiction after just 6 weeks on the stuff.

He said trying to stop felt like he was going to die.
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Re: 'opioid crisis' vs 'pain crisis'. Which side are you on?
I get very upset seeing people who really need opiates, being denied them. The OVERREACTION is worse than the original problem IMO. It is getting worse every day.

People with acute pain after surgery are being tortured.

The more you push people out of the system and into the streets, the more are going to die. Is that the goal?

Some people are allergic to aspirin, ibuprofen, acetaminophen. Guess we should provide wood sticks for them to bite down on until they heal.

Welcome to AI legislation.
 Quoting: MogwaiHunter PM


I feel bad for the people who really need it and don’t abuse it.

My Mom was dying from cancer in 2015 and her doctor had her pretty much on Vicodin 24 hours a day, the pharmacy made her feel so bad one day she came home crying.

I went there and said she’s been a customer her entire life with you guys, she’s dying of cancer and you make her feel like a junky? They claimed they didn’t know she was so ill.

I was so mad, after that she never had a problem but she only lived about 3 months.
 Quoting: ~kpm~


Heartbreaking to hear. She should not have been made to feel that way. Glad you said something and didn't have anymore problems. God bless you and your mom.
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Re: 'opioid crisis' vs 'pain crisis'. Which side are you on?
I get very upset seeing people who really need opiates, being denied them. The OVERREACTION is worse than the original problem IMO. It is getting worse every day.

People with acute pain after surgery are being tortured.

The more you push people out of the system and into the streets, the more are going to die. Is that the goal?

Some people are allergic to aspirin, ibuprofen, acetaminophen. Guess we should provide wood sticks for them to bite down on until they heal.

Welcome to AI legislation.
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I am pro pain, anti-opiate.

chronic pain for 17 years. not a little bitch about it.
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Re: 'opioid crisis' vs 'pain crisis'. Which side are you on?
The answer is cannabis.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6502879


This.

Opiods are only for the terminally ill.

Fuck the licensed drug dealers ruining lives.

My professional neighbor was given opiods for migraines. He had to do 90 days in rehab after just a couple months. Couldn't get off them.

My old boss had bypass surgery, where they had to go back in quick, and they cut his ribs. They wouldn't heal, because of all the coughing that follows bypass. Gave him opiods. 65 years old and he ends up in rehab for opiod addiction after just 6 weeks on the stuff.

He said trying to stop felt like he was going to die.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77117412


I support legalization, education and rehab over the current situation.
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So why shouldn't a 20 something year old shoot his veins full of heroin? If he's in that much pain, what would you have them all do?
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i know what side this guys on Thread: I zipped my sack in my fly.
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Just shoot me now.
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The real question is what is breaking all our young people, so that they need to shoot all these pain killers? They don't seem to get hurt working...do they fall down the basement stairs and start shooting dope to deal with the pain?

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Just shoot me now.
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Then you'll need heroin!
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Wow Brief, with the way you’re all over this thread it’s almost like you think you’re going to miss a free opiate give-away.

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The real solution to both is the use of Kratom powder to get off of the opioids and relieve pain. 5 grams of powder mixed with orange juice.

Just be careful not to increase your optimal dose. Measure it out and keep it stable, and every 3 days of using it, skip 2 days. And then there's no potential for addiction
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I get very upset seeing people who really need opiates, being denied them. The OVERREACTION is worse than the original problem IMO. It is getting worse every day.

People with acute pain after surgery are being tortured.

The more you push people out of the system and into the streets, the more are going to die. Is that the goal?

Some people are allergic to aspirin, ibuprofen, acetaminophen. Guess we should provide wood sticks for them to bite down on until they heal.

Welcome to AI legislation.
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I am pro pain, anti-opiate.

chronic pain for 17 years. not a little bitch about it.
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This.

Opiods are only for the terminally ill.

Fuck the licensed drug dealers ruining lives.

My professional neighbor was given opiods for migraines. He had to do 90 days in rehab after just a couple months. Couldn't get off them.

My old boss had bypass surgery, where they had to go back in quick, and they cut his ribs. They wouldn't heal, because of all the coughing that follows bypass. Gave him opiods. 65 years old and he ends up in rehab for opiod addiction after just 6 weeks on the stuff.

He said trying to stop felt like he was going to die.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77117412


I support legalization, education and rehab over the current situation.
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Now it is all the way around : rehab , education and legalization...in that order.
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we can blame China and their poison for all this mess -
it ain't the pills that kill
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we can blame China and their poison for all this mess -
it ain't the pills that kill
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Putting fentanyl in couterfeit pills is serial mass murder.
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I get very upset seeing people who really need opiates, being denied them. The OVERREACTION is worse than the original problem IMO. It is getting worse every day.

People with acute pain after surgery are being tortured.

The more you push people out of the system and into the streets, the more are going to die. Is that the goal?

Some people are allergic to aspirin, ibuprofen, acetaminophen. Guess we should provide wood sticks for them to bite down on until they heal.

Welcome to AI legislation.
 Quoting: MogwaiHunter PM


I feel bad for the people who really need it and don’t abuse it.

My Mom was dying from cancer in 2015 and her doctor had her pretty much on Vicodin 24 hours a day, the pharmacy made her feel so bad one day she came home crying.

I went there and said she’s been a customer her entire life with you guys, she’s dying of cancer and you make her feel like a junky? They claimed they didn’t know she was so ill.

I was so mad, after that she never had a problem but she only lived about 3 months.
 Quoting: ~kpm~




It's none of their fucking business what your Mothers medical problem was, or why she needed the medication. It's their job to fill the order, as the Dr prescribed. If they had a concern call the Dr's office
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This 'crisis' could be solved tomorrow if they really wanted to.


I myself see a pain management doc, I have stage 5 kidney disease & the meds let me keep working for my family, without them there is no way way I could do my job, I own a small cleaning biz & only work 15 hours a week, but they're great accounts & help keep us going


I am on Hydromorphone, its 1 step up the chemical chain from the usual pain meds, easier on my kidneys

Anyway & this is the important part, no matter how many you take, you will not get "high', there is no buzz at all, pill heads avoid this opiate like crazy

But it does kill the pain! For 4 hours I feel almost like my old self before I became sick, I have energy & can move around

The really weird thing about Hydromorphone (pills) in it's liquid form, known as Dilaudid, it will get you high as a kite?
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it was a greed problem, just ask the doctors, pharmacists and drug company reps
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The answer is cannabis.
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This.

Opiods are only for the terminally ill.

Fuck the licensed drug dealers ruining lives.

My professional neighbor was given opiods for migraines. He had to do 90 days in rehab after just a couple months. Couldn't get off them.

My old boss had bypass surgery, where they had to go back in quick, and they cut his ribs. They wouldn't heal, because of all the coughing that follows bypass. Gave him opiods. 65 years old and he ends up in rehab for opiod addiction after just 6 weeks on the stuff.

He said trying to stop felt like he was going to die.
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"Opiods are only for the terminally ill" = I disagree 1000%.

Better to go to rehab than to cough up your ribs and die, no?
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im on this side bonghit
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I love the way opioids make me feel, so I avoid them as much as I can. But I hate seeing people who truly need it suffer because they got the doctors so scared they won't prescribe it anymore.