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'opioid crisis' vs 'pain crisis'. Which side are you on?

 
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Both sides. I'm currently on a bunch of pain and muscle relaxer medications due to muscle spasms caused by nerve damage from the army that if I dont get surgery soon I'll be in a wheel chair and in agony and am finding it incredibly difficult to find help in the va

That being said, I know full well there are shitbags who abuse this crap so yea it's a crap shoot from me
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I love the way opioids make me feel, so I avoid them as much as I can. But I hate seeing people who truly need it suffer because they got the doctors so scared they won't prescribe it anymore.
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Yes, same here.
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Here’s the thing:

Pharma has done studies on how to mitigate the addictive effects of opiates while still allowing for pain relief. The science has been around for 10+ years, but pharma isn’t developing that option. Even the research that has been done has been flawed because inappropriate doses were tested.

You can have opiate pain relief without addiction. It’s a manufactured and manicured crisis.
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Nucynta when it goes generic will be the gold standard for opioid prescriptions.....because it doesn't get you high....all narcotics need a drug holiday to re establish their pain relieving capabilities otherwise tolerance will mitigate the pain relieving qualities..... personally I would legalize everything....life is about choices and individual responsibilities
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Nucynta when it goes generic will be the gold standard for opioid prescriptions.....because it doesn't get you high....all narcotics need a drug holiday to re establish their pain relieving capabilities otherwise tolerance will mitigate the pain relieving qualities..... personally I would legalize everything....life is about choices and individual responsibilities
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Here’s the thing:

Pharma has done studies on how to mitigate the addictive effects of opiates while still allowing for pain relief. The science has been around for 10+ years, but pharma isn’t developing that option. Even the research that has been done has been flawed because inappropriate doses were tested.

You can have opiate pain relief without addiction. It’s a manufactured and manicured crisis.
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One guy I know is like that. He believes his own bullshit. Thinks he's immune to opiate addiction but he's been taking them every day for 5 years and gets horrible back pain without them.
That's addiction. Meth heads say the exact same shit.
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One guy I know is like that. He believes his own bullshit. Thinks he's immune to opiate addiction but he's been taking them every day for 5 years and gets horrible back pain without them.
That's addiction. Meth heads say the exact same shit.
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So every day for 5 years... hmmm wow... He is alive still? He feels good when he takes them and his back doesn't hurt as much? Does he just take pills and lie in bed and need people to take care of him? Is society being negatively affected by him on drugs, but if he quit the drugs society wouldn't be negatively affected?
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Young people are hurting because they realize that they are never going to be RICH and FAMOUS, like the MSM promised them. Boo fxcking hoo snowflakes.

What happens is, one of the family members rips off grannys pain pills. Happens all the time.
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Legalize it all. Let God sort it out.
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Hate to admit it but I kinda agree for natural based drugs like cocain, weed, opiates, shrooms and peyote. Meth not so much maybe mdma. If humans could find it and consume it when we were primitive then it is the natural way. Let the weak die off and the strong prosper.
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Young people are hurting because they realize that they are never going to be RICH and FAMOUS, like the MSM promised them. Boo fxcking hoo snowflakes.

What happens is, one of the family members rips off grannys pain pills. Happens all the time.
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Low life scumbags...
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If they help you, then opiates are fine. I deal with chronic pain and I avoid them. When I have taken them, I feel good, but when I run out, I feel terrible and I wish I was dead.
So, I would rather not go through that.

It's funny. My grandparents, who are in their 80s, have health issues and get them prescribed to them, but they refuse to take them. My grandpa won't even take ibuprofen and he says he feels fine most of the time even after cancer treatment.

I think they will make any pain condition much worse in the long run.

Nevertheless, I would prefer that adults should be able to make their own decision and most drugs should be legal.
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I get very upset seeing people who really need opiates, being denied them. The OVERREACTION is worse than the original problem IMO. It is getting worse every day.

People with acute pain after surgery are being tortured.

The more you push people out of the system and into the streets, the more are going to die. Is that the goal?

Some people are allergic to aspirin, ibuprofen, acetaminophen. Guess we should provide wood sticks for them to bite down on until they heal.

Welcome to AI legislation.
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YOU ARE STILL GIVEN THE MEDS AFTER SURGERY BUT A VERY LIMITED QUANTITY. AFTER THAT ITS ADVIL, CODEINE OR CANNABIS. THEY DO NOT REPEAT THE SCRIPT EVER.
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I have a good friend who has degenerative disk disease and a couple weeks ago she must have moved the wrong way or something, and now she is basically paralyzed from the pain.

Her boyfriend brought her to a doctor and to 2 different ERs, but no one would help her. One physicians assistant told her she is not dying and she does not have cancer so they were only willing to give her toradol which didn't work. They all refused to give her effective pain medication, and she has been immobile and paralyzed from the pain. She doesn't even take pain meds which her medical chart should show, yet they still would not help her and they treated her with suspicion.

Some months ago I had an accident which resulted in the loss of a fingertip. It was horrible very painful. I went to the ER, and after waiting 3 hours, they finally gave me a shot of something that didn't do much at all. They dressed my finger (they had to numb the hand first, which did work), then they sent me home with 2 Percocet pills.

I hadn't even been to a doctor in 3 years, so I should have no record of "drug seeking behavior".

Thank God I had access to weed, Tylenol and green Malaysian kratom. Those kept me from going insane from the pain and trauma. I took those every 6 hours with them overlapping for 2 months.

I recently read finger amputation is considered to be more painful than childbirth, yet they weren't very nice at the ER, no one said "That must hurt!" or aanything like that, I felt like I was a bother. It appeared empty there to me, but apparently they were busy dealing with someone nutty on meth and that was taking their time...I even wondered if they thought perhaps I cut my finger off so that I could maybe go to the ER to get opioid pain pills!

I am glad I paid attention at the ER to how they wrapped it and what materials they used, because due to a glitch in my insurance it took me 3 months to see a doctor about it. So I ordered zeroform, a bandage type of material for open wounds to wrap it with, and I laid my hand on my plasma globe 3 times a day.

After I finally saw a doctor, he said it was surprising how well and how quickly it healed, and the fingernail was even growing back. Of course he didn't mention anything about pain, and I didn't want to say anything either in case I would be accused of drug seeking behavior.

It's a bad situation. Pain medications have been around and available since the beginning of time, yet now we have this opioid crisis. Why didn't we have such a crisis in the 80s or 90s and before that? People had pain issues, and doctors prescribed pain pills to people.

Now everyone is a suspected addict and you can't get those opioid pain pills even if you get a fingertip cut off.

Anyway I have little faith now in our American medical system and their authorities.
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If they help you, then opiates are fine. I deal with chronic pain and I avoid them. When I have taken them, I feel good, but when I run out, I feel terrible and I wish I was dead.
So, I would rather not go through that.

It's funny. My grandparents, who are in their 80s, have health issues and get them prescribed to them, but they refuse to take them. My grandpa won't even take ibuprofen and he says he feels fine most of the time even after cancer treatment.

I think they will make any pain condition much worse in the long run.

Nevertheless, I would prefer that adults should be able to make their own decision and most drugs should be legal.
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Legality does not help as they still can't afford to buy them.
You require more and more to do the same job.

I have surgery, I take CBD with Tincture. Pain free. No addition. Works great and no issues with the bowels stopping
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there are a lot of natural pain killer alternatives, without the deadly side effects, if you take the time to research it. People just want a simple pill though.
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This 'crisis' could be solved tomorrow if they really wanted to.


I myself see a pain management doc, I have stage 5 kidney disease & the meds let me keep working for my family, without them there is no way way I could do my job, I own a small cleaning biz & only work 15 hours a week, but they're great accounts & help keep us going


I am on Hydromorphone, its 1 step up the chemical chain from the usual pain meds, easier on my kidneys

Anyway & this is the important part, no matter how many you take, you will not get "high', there is no buzz at all, pill heads avoid this opiate like crazy

But it does kill the pain! For 4 hours I feel almost like my old self before I became sick, I have energy & can move around

The really weird thing about Hydromorphone (pills) in it's liquid form, known as Dilaudid, it will get you high as a kite?
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Dilaudid! That was the shot they gave me at the ER after my fingertip got chopped off, I couldn't remember the name.

So it's formulated not to get people high, which means it probably doesn't work as well as some others.

It didn't do much for my pain at all, though they probably have orders now to only use demerol or morphine on people whose bodies have been mangled up in car accidents.
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The answer is cannabis.
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I have no idea why but smoking always made me "hurt"more.
Especially TMJ pain from a botched surgery 30+ years ago.
However, I have never tried CBD oil or anything as I assumed it would do the same?

Ibuprofen helps but then hurts my stomach...
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The real solution to both is the use of Kratom powder to get off of the opioids and relieve pain. 5 grams of powder mixed with orange juice.

Just be careful not to increase your optimal dose. Measure it out and keep it stable, and every 3 days of using it, skip 2 days. And then there's no potential for addiction
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Would rather p/m you , but not seeing that option......
However, you mentioned Kratom........
I’m convinced that would work, but have not found a reliable source.
Wondering if you could/would help ?
Where would you recommend for reliable, safe quality Kratom?
What kind/type Kratom is best for chronic pain management, without the high, brain fog effect?

CBD in any form is not an option, as would equal immediate job loss.

Looking forward to your reply.
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The answer is cannabis.
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I have no idea why but smoking always made me "hurt"more.
Especially TMJ pain from a botched surgery 30+ years ago.
However, I have never tried CBD oil or anything as I assumed it would do the same?

Ibuprofen helps but then hurts my stomach...
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I so understand your predicament! Have you tried ibuprofen in liquid gelcaps? I find I can tolerate Advil, up to 600 mg in that form.
Hoping for your relief & feeling better soon!!
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Just think of how many demons they can feed with people in agonizing pain.
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The video embedded in this article has gone viral. This woman’s experience is the same as for many in chronic pain, and the tactics her drugstore uses are commonly employed by other chain pharmacies. So, which side are you on?

[link to www.painnewsnetwork.org (secure)]
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there are a lot of natural pain killer alternatives, without the deadly side effects, if you take the time to research it. People just want a simple pill though.
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The poppy growing all over the Earth is pretty natural and safe without deadly side effects. Its the bastardizing and synthesizing and combining with other substances that makes it dangerous at all.

If you drink too much water, you will die... same thing.
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people hooked on opiods confuse withdrawal with a recurrence of the 'pain' that they originally got hooked on to fix in the first place. There is NO WAY to guage someones pain level until they are Clean. Its insidious that way. Take it because of real pain..get hooked...try to quit and get junky withdrawal pain.
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Just think of how many demons they can feed with people in agonizing pain.
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OMG this popped into my head last night... How much negative energy is being pumped into the world daily because of the withholding of medicine?
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Just think of how many demons they can feed with people in agonizing pain.
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OMG this popped into my head last night... How much negative energy is being pumped into the world daily because of the withholding of medicine?
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It is shocking that such thoughts could possibly be true. I believe they are.
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The video embedded in this article has gone viral. This woman’s experience is the same as for many in chronic pain, and the tactics her drugstore uses are commonly employed by other chain pharmacies. So, which side are you on?

[link to www.painnewsnetwork.org (secure)]
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This pisses me off!
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The video embedded in this article has gone viral. This woman’s experience is the same as for many in chronic pain, and the tactics her drugstore uses are commonly employed by other chain pharmacies. So, which side are you on?

[link to www.painnewsnetwork.org (secure)]
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This pisses me off! I am a nurse and 10 years ago, the huge push in the hospital was above all else, medicate for pain! Believe a patient that says they are in pain. Do not question a patient just give them their pain meds. Doctors handed them out like candy.

Now try going to the ER with a possible kidney stone. Even with CT scan evidence of a kidney stone they give you an anti-inflammatory IV instead of a fast acting opiate IV.
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Picture this...

An abandoned dog is found outside a shelter, barely able to walk. It tries to get up, takes a step and tumbles to the ground and yelps in pain. Rescuers determine the dog has a degenerative condition that is extremely painful. The vet knows that the most effective medicine for the dog is an opiate which it should take every 12 hours. Not long after starting the medication, the dog gets up after about a half hour and starts to walk slowly but normally around the shelter. The lifeless sad sack that was dropped outside the shelter was now walking around the shelter sniffing out the walls and floor. The dog grabs a toy and tries to play tug of war with the volunteer at the shelter. They name him Buddy.

The dog is sent to a good home where he is loved and brings joy to the family he is with. Little Buddy just needs to take a pill every 12 hours and his quality of life is very good.

The FDA decides that dogs are becoming addicted to opiod pain meds. Little Buddy's vet will no longer prescribe him opioids. Little Buddy quickly reverts back to the condition he was in when found by rescuers, but this time its even worse. All Buddy can do is whimper and lay down. He has stopped eating and now he is dead.

After little Buddy passed, it was learned what happened to Buddy's original family. They had been treating Buddy for his condition with opiates and he was doing very well, almost living a normal life. As fate would have it though, Buddy's human mamma had a similar degenerative condition and also took opiates. Buddy's mamma's Dr. cut her off her medicine because she was addicted. Buddy's mamma felt she had no choice but to take the pills intended for Buddy. Buddy's mamma felt so bad to be taking her beloved Buddy's medicine, she killed herself. Buddy's daddy was so distraught he had a breakdown and somewhere along the way Buddy was dumped outside the shelter. Buddy's human brother and sister had to go to a foster home as their mother committed suicide and the father had a breakdown and last anyone heard he lived under a bridge downtown.

So, the moral of this story is at least twofold.

People wouldn't stand to see a dog in pain and have no life whatsoever. We should treat humans at least as well as dogs.

There are unintended consequences to this war on opioids. Very bad consequences.
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Its really bad in the midwest. Doctors are petrified to prescribe pain killers. I had oral surgery recently they refused to even give me a precautionary antibiotic. A few years back I had a fear of flying and tried to get my doctor to prescribe me two zanax for the flight (one there, one back). I was told I was outta line asking for that and he would only give me an antihistamine, which had a calming effect. because it makes you really tired! We had a family member with stage 3 cancer and a broken hip and the nursing home was trying to disallow them their pain meds prescribed by a well respected oncologist. a person with stage 3c cancer and newly broken hip was being told by a nurse with an associates degree she was being treated as a drug addict. Im telling you its all for the purpose of social conditioning. Getting use to accepting orders from above.