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I have looked and looked and yet it still eludes me. Does anyone know where the abortion section of the constitution is? I found the part that talks about life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, the key word there being life.

Listen, I don't care what women do with their bodies. An abortion is not about just their body.

Here's how it works;

A woman gets pregnant, her and the man talk about it and they decided on an abortion. She has one.

A woman gets pregnant, her and the man talk about it, she wants an abortion and he does not. She has one.

A woman gets pregnant, her and the man talk about it, she wants to keep it and he does not. She keeps it, raises it and now he pays child support for the rest of his life (18 years).

Where is the choice for the man? If she goes to a clinic with the man, he has no say and no ability to voice his opinion. Whereas she will be asked if anyone is pressuring her or supporting her.

In cases of rape, incest and the mothers health (long and short term) the ability to receive an abortion should be allowed. In every other situation it comes down to personal responsibility. There are condoms, birth control pills, vasectomies for the older guys, tubes getting tied for the older women or the women who already have like 8 kids.

Abortion removes personal responsibility and it is not a form of birth control.

By banning abortion in most cases no woman has lost the ability to control her body. Simply she (and the man) have been told to act like adults and take responsibility for their actions. She still has control over her body. A few examples;

A man and woman want to have sex, he has no condom and she is not on the pill = no sex.

A man and woman want to have sex, he has a condom and she is not on the pill = they either have sex or she says no.

A man and woman want to have sex, she is on the pill and he has no condom = they either have sex or she says no.

Am I missing the part where the guy gets to decide whether sex occurs or not. Men have no power to decide if sex occurs. That's called rape and it's a crime.

sex is a pro-creative act that has pleasuring benefits. It is not a recreational sport nor is it a weapon. It certainly is not there for men and women to do what they will with no regard for consequences.

I would argue that everyone is pro choice. We ALL have the choice to have unprotected sex. However, we are not all pro consequence or pro personal responsibility. Some argue that you should be allowed to do what you want and if unintended consequences happen then you should simply be allowed to pretend they didn't. Others argue that you should be held accountable for your actions. It's that simple.

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Where is the choice for the baby?
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Blah blah blah

The moral police are all always high and mighty until they need one.
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Where is the choice for the baby?
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I don't get the question. Either the adults take responsibility for their actions or they don't have sex. Are you implying that it's not the babies choice to be born into the world? If you are then that's insane. None of us decided that. That's how life, procreation and nature works. You are born into the world, live, grow and die. It's called life.
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Blah blah blah

The moral police are all always high and mighty until they need one.
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The argument that not being for abortions is a moral high ground is old and invalid. It's not about morality. It's about personal responsibility. There is a huge difference.

Did you grow up learning that there are no consequences to your actions? That no matter what you do it's okay because it can be undone?
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Where is the choice for the baby?
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I don't get the question. Either the adults take responsibility for their actions or they don't have sex. Are you implying that it's not the babies choice to be born into the world? If you are then that's insane. None of us decided that. That's how life, procreation and nature works. You are born into the world, live, grow and die. It's called life.
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I am with the aborted embryos duh they have rights too.
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what bothers me most is in the case of rape.
imagine, being attacked and sexually assaulted, and then having the offspring of that attacker inside of you.

abortion should never be used as a form of birth control, but, forcing a raped woman to keep a baby is even more horrible.

just my 2 cents
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what bothers me most is in the case of rape.
imagine, being attacked and sexually assaulted, and then having the offspring of that attacker inside of you.

abortion should never be used as a form of birth control, but, forcing a raped woman to keep a baby is even more horrible.

just my 2 cents
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I completely agree. Rape and Incest (which is arguably rape itself) and the mothers health should be the only factors taken into consideration when talking abortion. Not because you had unprotected sex and don't want a kid. Don't have unprotected sex and guess what, no kid.
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what bothers me most is in the case of rape.
imagine, being attacked and sexually assaulted, and then having the offspring of that attacker inside of you.

abortion should never be used as a form of birth control, but, forcing a raped woman to keep a baby is even more horrible.

just my 2 cents
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Women are too careless in dealing with males, their fault.
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Where is the choice for the baby?
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I don't get the question. Either the adults take responsibility for their actions or they don't have sex. Are you implying that it's not the babies choice to be born into the world? If you are then that's insane. None of us decided that. That's how life, procreation and nature works. You are born into the world, live, grow and die. It's called life.
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I am with the aborted embryos duh they have rights too.
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Thanks for clarifying. I would tend to agree with you.
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Just as a side note. States rights are a thing. If your state doesn't offer abortion, you can go to a state that does. Simple.
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I wonder what people think of the flip side as well. Women who have to many kids and women who are so old that if they have a child the risk of mental and physical issues is high?
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I've never heard of any woman using abortion as a form of birth control.

No one would choose surgery, rather than taking the pill or using other birth control methods.

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I have already set the parameters on this subject.

Find them.
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what bothers me most is in the case of rape.
imagine, being attacked and sexually assaulted, and then having the offspring of that attacker inside of you.

abortion should never be used as a form of birth control, but, forcing a raped woman to keep a baby is even more horrible.

just my 2 cents
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Women are too careless in dealing with males, their fault.
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Get the fuck out of here sicko muzzie scum.

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I have looked and looked and yet it still eludes me. Does anyone know where the abortion section of the constitution is? I found the part that talks about life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, the key word there being life.

Listen, I don't care what women do with their bodies. An abortion is not about just their body.

Here's how it works;

A woman gets pregnant, her and the man talk about it and they decided on an abortion. She has one.

A woman gets pregnant, her and the man talk about it, she wants an abortion and he does not. She has one.

A woman gets pregnant, her and the man talk about it, she wants to keep it and he does not. She keeps it, raises it and now he pays child support for the rest of his life (18 years).

Where is the choice for the man? If she goes to a clinic with the man, he has no say and no ability to voice his opinion. Whereas she will be asked if anyone is pressuring her or supporting her.

In cases of rape, incest and the mothers health (long and short term) the ability to receive an abortion should be allowed. In every other situation it comes down to personal responsibility. There are condoms, birth control pills, vasectomies for the older guys, tubes getting tied for the older women or the women who already have like 8 kids.

Abortion removes personal responsibility and it is not a form of birth control.

By banning abortion in most cases no woman has lost the ability to control her body. Simply she (and the man) have been told to act like adults and take responsibility for their actions. She still has control over her body. A few examples;

A man and woman want to have sex, he has no condom and she is not on the pill = no sex.

A man and woman want to have sex, he has a condom and she is not on the pill = they either have sex or she says no.

A man and woman want to have sex, she is on the pill and he has no condom = they either have sex or she says no.

Am I missing the part where the guy gets to decide whether sex occurs or not. Men have no power to decide if sex occurs. That's called rape and it's a crime.

sex is a pro-creative act that has pleasuring benefits. It is not a recreational sport nor is it a weapon. It certainly is not there for men and women to do what they will with no regard for consequences.

I would argue that everyone is pro choice. We ALL have the choice to have unprotected sex. However, we are not all pro consequence or pro personal responsibility. Some argue that you should be allowed to do what you want and if unintended consequences happen then you should simply be allowed to pretend they didn't. Others argue that you should be held accountable for your actions. It's that simple.
 Quoting: Bananafighter


So don't have an abortion. Who gives a fuck if you do or not anyway? Its your own business, no one else, yet you whore it about on the internet. Maybe you have some other problems...
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I've never heard of any woman using abortion as a form of birth control.

No one would choose surgery, rather than taking the pill or using other birth control methods.

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i have personally seen this on more than one occasion. not with any woman i had anything to do with, but through acquaintances.
lock her (and barry) up! we're (still) waiting.

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Blah blah blah

The moral police are all always high and mighty until they need one.
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The argument that not being for abortions is a moral high ground is old and invalid. It's not about morality. It's about personal responsibility. There is a huge difference.

Did you grow up learning that there are no consequences to your actions? That no matter what you do it's okay because it can be undone?
 Quoting: Bananafighter


To support your argument, do animals abort? NO they must go through the process. They have no choice and we shouldn't either.
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Candice Owens should ask people who debate her on this topic "Don't black lives matter?"
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Where is the choice for the baby?
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I don't get the question. Either the adults take responsibility for their actions or they don't have sex. Are you implying that it's not the babies choice to be born into the world? If you are then that's insane. None of us decided that. That's how life, procreation and nature works. You are born into the world, live, grow and die. It's called life.
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No contaceptive is 100% effective, even on the pill 1 in a 100 fall pregnant, do the maths on that alone, then up those figures for other forms of contaceptives, which are less effective.

That alone, is thousands, of obviously unwanted pregnancies.
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I've never heard of any woman using abortion as a form of birth control.

No one would choose surgery, rather than taking the pill or using other birth control methods.

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i have personally seen this on more than one occasion. not with any woman i had anything to do with, but through acquaintances.
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There have been threads here of women bragging about aborting their babies & saying that was their birth control.
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Where is the choice for the baby?
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I don't get the question. Either the adults take responsibility for their actions or they don't have sex. Are you implying that it's not the babies choice to be born into the world? If you are then that's insane. None of us decided that. That's how life, procreation and nature works. You are born into the world, live, grow and die. It's called life.
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No contaceptive is 100% effective, even on the pill 1 in a 100 fall pregnant, do the maths on that alone, then up those figures for other forms of contaceptives, which are less effective.

That alone, is thousands, of obviously unwanted pregnancies.
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The conversation certainly needs to be had with regard to those circumstances but the vast majority of abortions are not performed because of failed birth control. Those cases are a very small percentage of unwanted pregnancies.
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Blah blah blah

The moral police are all always high and mighty until they need one.
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The argument that not being for abortions is a moral high ground is old and invalid. It's not about morality. It's about personal responsibility. There is a huge difference.

Did you grow up learning that there are no consequences to your actions? That no matter what you do it's okay because it can be undone?
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To support your argument, do animals abort? NO they must go through the process. They have no choice and we shouldn't either.
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A fun fact about kangaroos for you, that is commonly known about here in Oz:

The female is able to delay the attachment of the embryo to the fetus. This means she is able to control when she will be pregnant. When she has a joey in her body she won’t allow that to happen. Should her young die or mature enough to leave her then she will immediately become pregnant again. As long as conditions are right they can breed all year long.

The only exception is when there isn’t enough food or water for survival. This often occurs during drought conditions. Then she won’t become pregnant at all until the living conditions improve. This is a very serious situation because it can drastically reduce the population of Kangaroos. Another element is that the male Kangaroos often can’t produce sperm which is required for successful mating during the dry season.


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I have looked and looked and yet it still eludes me. Does anyone know where the abortion section of the constitution is? I found the part that talks about life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, the key word there being life.

Listen, I don't care what women do with their bodies. An abortion is not about just their body.

Here's how it works;

A woman gets pregnant, her and the man talk about it and they decided on an abortion. She has one.

A woman gets pregnant, her and the man talk about it, she wants an abortion and he does not. She has one.

A woman gets pregnant, her and the man talk about it, she wants to keep it and he does not. She keeps it, raises it and now he pays child support for the rest of his life (18 years).

Where is the choice for the man? If she goes to a clinic with the man, he has no say and no ability to voice his opinion. Whereas she will be asked if anyone is pressuring her or supporting her.

In cases of rape, incest and the mothers health (long and short term) the ability to receive an abortion should be allowed. In every other situation it comes down to personal responsibility. There are condoms, birth control pills, vasectomies for the older guys, tubes getting tied for the older women or the women who already have like 8 kids.

Abortion removes personal responsibility and it is not a form of birth control.

By banning abortion in most cases no woman has lost the ability to control her body. Simply she (and the man) have been told to act like adults and take responsibility for their actions. She still has control over her body. A few examples;

A man and woman want to have sex, he has no condom and she is not on the pill = no sex.

A man and woman want to have sex, he has a condom and she is not on the pill = they either have sex or she says no.

A man and woman want to have sex, she is on the pill and he has no condom = they either have sex or she says no.

Am I missing the part where the guy gets to decide whether sex occurs or not. Men have no power to decide if sex occurs. That's called rape and it's a crime.

sex is a pro-creative act that has pleasuring benefits. It is not a recreational sport nor is it a weapon. It certainly is not there for men and women to do what they will with no regard for consequences.

I would argue that everyone is pro choice. We ALL have the choice to have unprotected sex. However, we are not all pro consequence or pro personal responsibility. Some argue that you should be allowed to do what you want and if unintended consequences happen then you should simply be allowed to pretend they didn't. Others argue that you should be held accountable for your actions. It's that simple.
 Quoting: Bananafighter


True.
Pregnancy is easy to prevent, so why does the general public have to bend over backwards when someone exhibits no control or preventative measures, then demands the public pay for the consequences?
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Apparently the Left is against formulating a challenge to a SCOTUS decision half the country feels was wrongly decided.

Just like they fought against “overturning” the Dred Scott decision 150 years ago.

They grossly miscalculated when they CELEBRATED the passage of the N.Y. law, for example, that legalized third trimester abortion.

NO ONE is in favor of that. NO ONE.
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abortion means to KILL...You cannot kill ANY baby,and any one so called Doctor that kills a baby needs to be put by big bubba with a shiv near by...
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Although I believe abortion is wrong, I would have waited till after the election to challenge it. Nothing will bring more liberals to the polls than this issue.
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what bothers me most is in the case of rape.
imagine, being attacked and sexually assaulted, and then having the offspring of that attacker inside of you.

abortion should never be used as a form of birth control, but, forcing a raped woman to keep a baby is even more horrible.

just my 2 cents
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Your type always go to the extremes. What is the percentage of raped victims getting pregnant.
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I have looked and looked and yet it still eludes me. Does anyone know where the abortion section of the constitution is? I found the part that talks about life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, the key word there being life.

Listen, I don't care what women do with their bodies. An abortion is not about just their body.

Here's how it works;

A woman gets pregnant, her and the man talk about it and they decided on an abortion. She has one.

A woman gets pregnant, her and the man talk about it, she wants an abortion and he does not. She has one.

A woman gets pregnant, her and the man talk about it, she wants to keep it and he does not. She keeps it, raises it and now he pays child support for the rest of his life (18 years).

Where is the choice for the man? If she goes to a clinic with the man, he has no say and no ability to voice his opinion. Whereas she will be asked if anyone is pressuring her or supporting her.

In cases of rape, incest and the mothers health (long and short term) the ability to receive an abortion should be allowed. In every other situation it comes down to personal responsibility. There are condoms, birth control pills, vasectomies for the older guys, tubes getting tied for the older women or the women who already have like 8 kids.

Abortion removes personal responsibility and it is not a form of birth control.

By banning abortion in most cases no woman has lost the ability to control her body. Simply she (and the man) have been told to act like adults and take responsibility for their actions. She still has control over her body. A few examples;

A man and woman want to have sex, he has no condom and she is not on the pill = no sex.

A man and woman want to have sex, he has a condom and she is not on the pill = they either have sex or she says no.

A man and woman want to have sex, she is on the pill and he has no condom = they either have sex or she says no.

Am I missing the part where the guy gets to decide whether sex occurs or not. Men have no power to decide if sex occurs. That's called rape and it's a crime.

sex is a pro-creative act that has pleasuring benefits. It is not a recreational sport nor is it a weapon. It certainly is not there for men and women to do what they will with no regard for consequences.

I would argue that everyone is pro choice. We ALL have the choice to have unprotected sex. However, we are not all pro consequence or pro personal responsibility. Some argue that you should be allowed to do what you want and if unintended consequences happen then you should simply be allowed to pretend they didn't. Others argue that you should be held accountable for your actions. It's that simple.
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Be careful what you wish for. Without abortion you will have millions more unwanted blacks born in the U.S. They will continue to kill and terrorize innocent people. What about the rights of all of us to have the ability to live in peace in our own neighborhoods?
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I have looked and looked and yet it still eludes me. Does anyone know where the abortion section of the constitution is? I found the part that talks about life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, the key word there being life.

Listen, I don't care what women do with their bodies. An abortion is not about just their body.

Here's how it works;

A woman gets pregnant, her and the man talk about it and they decided on an abortion. She has one.

A woman gets pregnant, her and the man talk about it, she wants an abortion and he does not. She has one.

A woman gets pregnant, her and the man talk about it, she wants to keep it and he does not. She keeps it, raises it and now he pays child support for the rest of his life (18 years).

Where is the choice for the man? If she goes to a clinic with the man, he has no say and no ability to voice his opinion. Whereas she will be asked if anyone is pressuring her or supporting her.

In cases of rape, incest and the mothers health (long and short term) the ability to receive an abortion should be allowed. In every other situation it comes down to personal responsibility. There are condoms, birth control pills, vasectomies for the older guys, tubes getting tied for the older women or the women who already have like 8 kids.

Abortion removes personal responsibility and it is not a form of birth control.

By banning abortion in most cases no woman has lost the ability to control her body. Simply she (and the man) have been told to act like adults and take responsibility for their actions. She still has control over her body. A few examples;

A man and woman want to have sex, he has no condom and she is not on the pill = no sex.

A man and woman want to have sex, he has a condom and she is not on the pill = they either have sex or she says no.

A man and woman want to have sex, she is on the pill and he has no condom = they either have sex or she says no.

Am I missing the part where the guy gets to decide whether sex occurs or not. Men have no power to decide if sex occurs. That's called rape and it's a crime.

sex is a pro-creative act that has pleasuring benefits. It is not a recreational sport nor is it a weapon. It certainly is not there for men and women to do what they will with no regard for consequences.

I would argue that everyone is pro choice. We ALL have the choice to have unprotected sex. However, we are not all pro consequence or pro personal responsibility. Some argue that you should be allowed to do what you want and if unintended consequences happen then you should simply be allowed to pretend they didn't. Others argue that you should be held accountable for your actions. It's that simple.
 Quoting: Bananafighter


True.
Pregnancy is easy to prevent, so why does the general public have to bend over backwards when someone exhibits no control or preventative measures, then demands the public pay for the consequences?
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Roe v Wade needs to be readdressed for two reason, even apart for the “woman’s reproductive rights’ aspect.

1. The rights of the father - men should have a right to a “financial abortion”, shouldn’t they?

2. The rights of the fetus; currently, there is a tremendous inconsistency. In a case where a pregnant woman is murdered, the fetus is accorded the “rights” of a person, and the murderer is charged with TWO counts, one for each “person”. Yet in the case of abortion, the fetus has no rights. Which is it??
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Re: Abortion is not a right and it is not a form of birth control, sorry.
I predict laws banning abortion will be very much like the Prohibition laws against alcohol and will be repealed a few years after enacting them.