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Abortion is not a right and it is not a form of birth control, sorry.

 
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In cases of rape, incest and the mothers health (long and short term) the ability to receive an abortion should be allowed.
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I agree with this. The problem is 20 Republican assholes in Alabama voted specifically against this.
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I wanted to bring about a discussion to force people into considering the multiple factors that come into play.

Failed contraception. Should they be forced to keep a child they didn't plan on having and tried to prevent?

Learning a child may be born with physical of mental handicaps. Quality of life is brought into play here. Should they be forced to bring a child into the world that will never be able to care for themselves?

The conversation is always, it's a womans choice. Period. Or it's a human life. Period.

I think before lawmakers decide what should and should not be done they need to consider all aspects of the unwanted pregnancies.

You certainly have women out there who have had multiple abortions. You have woman who also try to use pregnancy as a weapon to trap a man. You have men (few) who do the same but a blanket yes or no conversation is false. I well thought out platform needs to be brought up and addressed.
 Quoting: Bananafighter


Don't have sex. period. simple.

But try to tell men that they can't have sex... what happens?
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I predict Alabama men will be at the forefront leading the fight to repeal Alabama’s new abortion law.
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to esoteric teachings, to have originated, at the dawn of the universe's manifestation, in The Supreme Being who sent out—from the unmanifested Absolute beyond comprehension—the dynamic force of creative energy, as sound-vibration ("the Word"), into the abyss of space. Alternatively, it states that this dynamic force is being sent forth, through the ages, framing all things that constitute and inhabit the universe.

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The concept of planes of existence might be seen as deriving from shamanic and traditional mythological ideas of a vertical world-axis—for example a cosmic mountain, tree, or pole (such as Yggdrasil or Mount Meru)—or a philosophical conception of a Great Chain of Being, arranged metaphorically from God down to inanimate matter.

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A right to education has been recognized by some governments and the United Nations.[2] In most regions, education is compulsory up to a certain age.

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Etymologically, the word "education" is derived from the Latin word ēducātiō ("A breeding, a bringing up, a rearing") from ēducō ("I educate, I train") which is related to the homonym ēdūcō ("I lead forth, I take out; I raise up, I erect") from ē- ("from, out of") and dūcō ("I lead, I conduct").[3]
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I have looked and looked and yet it still eludes me. Does anyone know where the abortion section of the constitution is? I found the part that talks about life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, the key word there being life.

Listen, I don't care what women do with their bodies. An abortion is not about just their body.

Here's how it works;

A woman gets pregnant, her and the man talk about it and they decided on an abortion. She has one.

A woman gets pregnant, her and the man talk about it, she wants an abortion and he does not. She has one.

A woman gets pregnant, her and the man talk about it, she wants to keep it and he does not. She keeps it, raises it and now he pays child support for the rest of his life (18 years).

Where is the choice for the man? If she goes to a clinic with the man, he has no say and no ability to voice his opinion. Whereas she will be asked if anyone is pressuring her or supporting her.

In cases of rape, incest and the mothers health (long and short term) the ability to receive an abortion should be allowed. In every other situation it comes down to personal responsibility. There are condoms, birth control pills, vasectomies for the older guys, tubes getting tied for the older women or the women who already have like 8 kids.

Abortion removes personal responsibility and it is not a form of birth control.

By banning abortion in most cases no woman has lost the ability to control her body. Simply she (and the man) have been told to act like adults and take responsibility for their actions. She still has control over her body. A few examples;

A man and woman want to have sex, he has no condom and she is not on the pill = no sex.

A man and woman want to have sex, he has a condom and she is not on the pill = they either have sex or she says no.

A man and woman want to have sex, she is on the pill and he has no condom = they either have sex or she says no.

Am I missing the part where the guy gets to decide whether sex occurs or not. Men have no power to decide if sex occurs. That's called rape and it's a crime.

sex is a pro-creative act that has pleasuring benefits. It is not a recreational sport nor is it a weapon. It certainly is not there for men and women to do what they will with no regard for consequences.
A long time ago a took a course at a local university
And the professor in the middle of a sentence just blurts out - at what time is a baby not a human being -
Then on to what he was talking about
Funny thing, about a year later he was dead due to AIDS
You'd think that he woulda sided with the pro choice crowd
He didn't - Funny thing
I would argue that everyone is pro choice. We ALL have the choice to have unprotected sex. However, we are not all pro consequence or pro personal responsibility. Some argue that you should be allowed to do what you want and if unintended consequences happen then you should simply be allowed to pretend they didn't. Others argue that you should be held accountable for your actions. It's that simple.
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I haven't read the whole thread but I see no one on the news is mentioning that in cases of rape and incest the woman could be given THE DAY-AFTER PILL.

There's no heartbeat yet so a woman that's a victim of rape or incest could pop a few of those pills for a few days, problem solved.

Am I wrong?
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I haven't read the whole thread but I see no one on the news is mentioning that in cases of rape and incest the woman could be given THE DAY-AFTER PILL.

There's no heartbeat yet so a woman that's a victim of rape or incest could pop a few of those pills for a few days, problem solved.

Am I wrong?
 Quoting: AstroBuzz


Yes you are wrong because this of course concerns the cases where the victim DID NOT pop a pill.

It doesn't matter the reason why, there could be tons of.


Now those victims who did not took the pill in time should be forced to proceed with the pregnancy to term? I don't think so.


When people request exceptions for rape and incest, they don't say that it's the only possible solution. They say making that option illegal is dangerous because in some case you need it, and I agree with this.
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Or do you sincerely believe a victim would not take a morning after pill and wait a few more weeks to get an abortion just fur the fun? Lol
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Birth control means not getting pregnant in the first plane. Give all males free vasectomies which can be reversed when their ready to be a parent. Now that would be SAFE birth control.
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Birth control means not getting pregnant in the first plane. Give all males free vasectomies which can be reversed when their ready to be a parent. Now that would be SAFE birth control.
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Are the vasectomies going to be forced?
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Abortion is viewed by many as murder because of a religious view. That is basically, the reason why people look at it as immoral. That is a brainwashing.

Abortion is not murder. Shortly, before birth, a soul decides to enter a fetus. It is not actually a person until the soul enters by Choice or is put there by divine source.

If an abortion takes place, the soul simply goes back to where it came from. It is not murder!

Further, many say what rights does the baby have. The answer is none, if either parents do not want the child.

A child deserves to have both parents while growing up. If either one does not want the responsibility, then, the child does not have the right to make the decision.

The decision can only be made by the parents. It is their decision. If either one does not want the child, then, the hold should not be born.

One parent, a lone should not make the decision.

The responsibility to have a child requires the consent of "both parents", morally, ethically and responsibly.
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I am absolutely against abortion...however, 99 years in prison, and the rape cases, will backlash very Seriously on the conservative communities. The elections are Not the Only thing. I live in a catholuc conservative community and know well of the battle going on within the Catholuc hierarchy. The conservative minority will lose any chance to promote its otherwise just ideas, if it doesnt somehow accept for a fact it lives in 21 century.
So, No to abortion, but No to the conservative radicalism as well! It simply doesnt serve the cause.
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Yeah but this happens when liberals take it to the other extreme. The strong man rises to stop the liberal mind set and it is usually an extreme viewpoint in the other direction.
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In US politics one conservative poresident stays for 4 or8 years only to be changed with a liberal president who overturns much. In the Catholic church things develop gradually for 50 or more years and last for centuries once they have been changed.

Let me clarify for those who do not follow it. No catholic priest or bishop would support abortions. Rather many would tell you you could end up in hell. However, currently there is a majority clergy for reforms, including gay rights and women deaconess. Only several cardinals and a number of priests oppose the reforms, both new ones and those made after 1960s. The logic of an increasingly fanatical minority will ultimately lead to election of a separate "pope" that will split apart from the main church. The majority Catholic church will become even more progressive than the one we know today. It is not a president whose term ends in four years. It is done for centuries ahead.

Again, the abortion is comdemned by all. The return process of someone who committed it, is a confession by bishop or with permission of a bishop..not 99 years in prison.

The new ultra conservative actions such as life centences etc. could only make the things worse. I dont discuss how long they will hold on in the US secular society. Probably until the next elections. I argue that the radicalism that brought them up will call for an enormous backlash within the catholic church and most likely will result in the conservatives having no say for an increasingly modernized church for centuries ahead...
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I've never heard of any woman using abortion as a form of birth control.

No one would choose surgery, rather than taking the pill or using other birth control methods.

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Well because women don't use abortion as birth control. That's something dreamed up by sexually immature people and pro-lifers as a form of verbal punishment.

And much of this anti-abortion issue is about PUNISHMENT for having sex. And isn't that a negative approach? It certainly isn't proactive to PUNISH people for sex, is it? That sounds like something out of Islam where people are stoned to death, thrown off buildings and beheaded for having "improper" sex.

Alabama would be the perfect target for Islamic infiltration because of the lack of education in that state.
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I pointed out on another thread, that the muzz will love this.
Rape, incest, breed flat out, knowing the poor woman and children can't abort, which also gives the muzz rights to the babies/children,
more rape . . more incest . . . more babies . .

. . or the woman/girls are jailed if they do abort . .

It's a win/win for muz.

It will never end, and they'll laugh at how stupid some people are, for not actually thinking about it.

For that simple reason, I hope the bill gets rejected.

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Abortion is viewed by many as murder because of a religious view. That is basically, the reason why people look at it as immoral. That is a brainwashing.

Abortion is not murder. Shortly, before birth, a soul decides to enter a fetus. It is not actually a person until the soul enters by Choice or is put there by divine source.

If an abortion takes place, the soul simply goes back to where it came from. It is not murder!

Further, many say what rights does the baby have. The answer is none, if either parents do not want the child.

A child deserves to have both parents while growing up. If either one does not want the responsibility, then, the child does not have the right to make the decision.

The decision can only be made by the parents. It is their decision. If either one does not want the child, then, the hold should not be born.

One parent, a lone should not make the decision.

The responsibility to have a child requires the consent of "both parents", morally, ethically and responsibly.
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Exactly. Forcing an unwanted child into the world is even more cruel than abortion as it will cause a whole life of suffering.

There have been many cases of children suing their parents for not taking an abortion when the parents knew the child would be severely handicapped or unwanted.

So basically if even the kids say they should have been aborted, I don't see how making ALL abortions is legal is more moral. It's not
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Or do you sincerely believe a victim would not take a morning after pill and wait a few more weeks to get an abortion just fur the fun? Lol
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Ok...

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I predict laws banning abortion will be very much like the Prohibition laws against alcohol and will be repealed a few years after enacting them.
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Yeah, a few horror stories about women dying through back alley abortions and that will be the end of it.
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Or do you sincerely believe a victim would not take a morning after pill and wait a few more weeks to get an abortion just fur the fun? Lol
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Stupid people shouldn't breed.
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Trump and repubs disagrees because they are their voting base

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Or do you sincerely believe a victim would not take a morning after pill and wait a few more weeks to get an abortion just fur the fun? Lol
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Ok...
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Birth control means not getting pregnant in the first plane. Give all males free vasectomies which can be reversed when their ready to be a parent. Now that would be SAFE birth control.
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Or make the men more financially responsible for the pregnancy and the child after it's born. it takes two and often only the woman is left to deal with the child.

Men need to step up and use protection and then do the RIGHT thing if the woman becomes pregnant.

I have never understood why men can just walk away.
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Or do you sincerely believe a victim would not take a morning after pill and wait a few more weeks to get an abortion just fur the fun? Lol
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Ok...
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I'm being serious.

Of course the morning after pill is the better solution and is probably enforced as much as possible. No one is denying it.

But what if it wasn't?

Alabama now states these victims should be forced to have the pregnancy up to term. That's evil
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what bothers me most is in the case of rape.
imagine, being attacked and sexually assaulted, and then having the offspring of that attacker inside of you.

abortion should never be used as a form of birth control, but, forcing a raped woman to keep a baby is even more horrible.

just my 2 cents
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I agree.
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There is a lot of circumstances abortion should be allowed.

Especially rape.
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Or do you sincerely believe a victim would not take a morning after pill and wait a few more weeks to get an abortion just fur the fun? Lol
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Exactly.

I will add that there is a 'morning after pill', and an 'abortion pill'. Neither of which are always 100% effective.

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I'm 100% certain if one of the Republicans who voted for the ban in Alabama discovered his daughter got raped by a black dude they would immediately send her to get an abortion.

100% hypocrisy.

With these people it's always "do as I say, not as I do"
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I haven't read the whole thread but I see no one on the news is mentioning that in cases of rape and incest the woman could be given THE DAY-AFTER PILL.

There's no heartbeat yet so a woman that's a victim of rape or incest could pop a few of those pills for a few days, problem solved.

Am I wrong?
 Quoting: AstroBuzz



No heart beat until around 6 to 7 weeks pregnant, even up to 8 weeks.

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