Abortion is not a right and it is not a form of birth control, sorry.

Are the vasectomies going to be forced?

One of the best responses I have read.
This will get buried, but I'll say it anyway.

To the pro-life people out there: I understand how you feel. Honestly. This is such a difficult moral issue, and I know there are plenty of people who feel like murder is finally illegal. I get it.

But there is so so much more to this than the question of one life or two. In the United States, you have to choose to be an organ donor. You can't even use a corpse to save someone's life unless that person gave explicit consent when they were alive. You certainly can't force a living person to give up an organ to save a life, even if both people would walk away alive. That is the concept of bodily autonomy.

Just consider for a moment the incredible cost of pregnancy and birth. Your body physically changes in dozens of ways. You probably experience nausea, dizziness, swelling, back pain, constipation, mood swings. You have to change what you eat, what you drink, how you move, what you do. You may be unable to work or go to school. You may be let go for spurious reasons. You may find it difficult to find people to hire you. You will need ultrasounds, checkups -- health insurance. You will go through the most physically painful experience of your life, where in 70% of cases the baby literally tears its way out of you. You will owe the hospital thousands, if not tens of thousands, of dollars. Your body will physically never be the same.

Now imagine you never chose this. You never wanted this. But you have no choice.

How can someone end up pregnant and not want to be? There are a myriad of scenarios, all with moral implications. Maybe you have a steady partner and you are using birth control, but the birth control didn't work. Maybe the condom broke. Maybe he couldn't pull out in time. Maybe you never learned about birth control because your school only taught you about abstinence. You didn't intend it, but here you are.

And then worse. Maybe he lied and took off the condom when you wouldn't notice. Maybe he drugged you and raped your unconscious body, or maybe he raped you while you were awake, so the sounds and the pain and the smell is seared into your brain. Maybe he is your teacher, your pastor, your police officer. Maybe he is your brother, your uncle. Maybe he is your father. It happens so much more often than any of us want to think or talk about. And now the seed, the DNA of the person who violated you, is growing inside you, and there is nothing you can do to stop it.

So you give birth, unprepared and unwilling. Because you didn't want or plan for this pregnancy, chances are you didn't take care of yourself as well as is ideal, and chances are you are not providing an ideal life for this child. Maybe you drank alcohol before you knew you were pregnant, or you drank alcohol on purpose to try to kill your baby. Maybe you smoked. Maybe you are addicted to opiates and now your child will be too. Maybe you are poor -- the cost of childbirth didn't help -- and have no means to buy food, diapers, cribs, or other supplies for your baby. Maybe you are a felon or are otherwise ineligible for SNAP or WIC. Maybe your partner beats you and will beat your child, but you can't leave because then you would be homeless. Maybe you are homeless. Maybe your partner left you. How will you get a job? Who will take care of the baby? If you are in school, you almost certainly have to drop out. The effects of neglect, of abuse, of malnourishment, of fetal alcohol syndrome, of neonatal abstinence syndrome, all of these have profoundly negative effects on the child for the rest of their lives.

It is understandable why some pregnant women become desperate, and what a desperate person can do can be horrifying for everyone involved. To quote a clinic administrator (from the 2016 documentary Trapped):

I told her you can come to San Antonio and we can help you here, and she said, "I can't, I don't have the means, there's no way I can get to San Antonio. So what if I tell you what I have in my kitchen cabinet, and you can tell me what I can do."

I doubt anyone's read this far. It's for my own catharsis anyway. But given that you can't obligate someone to give up their bodily autonomy to save someone's life in other cases, why is this, pregnancy and childbirth, something that will affect someone for the rest of their life, why is this mandated? Why should a mass of cells without even a brain have the right to require of a living woman what we cannot even demand of a corpse? So many women who have had abortions and later have children express the relief and gratitude that they didn't have a child when they weren't ready. Because of their choice, they were able to save their own lives and bring new life into the world for whom they could properly care.

Now, because of this law, thousands will suffer. The Alabama lawmakers have already handed down their sentences. They had a choice. Now we do not."

I predict laws banning abortion will be very much like the Prohibition laws against alcohol and will be repealed a few years after enacting them.

its time for the revenge of the unborn -

DEATH IS AT HAND

I am completely pro-life no exceptions (except life of mother). That being said most of the women who have abortions feel they have no choice. If we are going to be the moral high ground than we need to provide support for these young girls and women. Instead, as soon as they decline that abortion we’re all like “ok thank you, you did the right thing...goodbye “.

Instead we should be helping them find a safe and loving environment for themselves and the baby, gainful employment, so they can comfortably support themselves, safe housing, trustworthy childcare, etc. I’m not talking shoving them into government programs, those are a trap. We as a society need to offer a better choice than abortion and right now we offer them nothing.

I’ve heard the ole birth control is free argument but that’s a moot point after a pregnancy happens. Berating someone after the fact does nothing but ensures the next mistake (whatever it is) they won’t be listening to us..

I haven't read the whole thread but I see no one on the news is mentioning that in cases of rape and incest the woman could be given THE DAY-AFTER PILL.

There's no heartbeat yet so a woman that's a victim of rape or incest could pop a few of those pills for a few days, problem solved.

Am I wrong?

I love how all the guys in the thread completely ignores what a mother has to go through during a pregnancy. Says a lot about how they view women, less than people. Like that Republican guy who said women are "host bodies".


"You don't want a child? OK then carry it and suffer for months, risk losing your job, then give the child away. EASY !!!"

"What you are still complaining? Sorry you don't have anything to say in this, the baby is the only things that matters."


Pure hypocrisy and veiled misogyny

Abortion is viewed by many as murder because of a religious view. That is basically, the reason why people look at it as immoral. That is a brainwashing.

Abortion is not murder. Shortly, before birth, a soul decides to enter a fetus. It is not actually a person until the soul enters by Choice or is put there by divine source.

If an abortion takes place, the soul simply goes back to where it came from. It is not murder!

Further, many say what rights does the baby have. The answer is none, if either parents do not want the child.

A child deserves to have both parents while growing up. If either one does not want the responsibility, then, the child does not have the right to make the decision.

The decision can only be made by the parents. It is their decision. If either one does not want the child, then, the hold should not be born.

One parent, a lone should not make the decision.

The responsibility to have a child requires the consent of "both parents", morally, ethically and responsibly.

Exactly. Forcing an unwanted child into the world is even more cruel than abortion as it will cause a whole life of suffering.

There have been many cases of children suing their parents for not taking an abortion when the parents knew the child would be severely handicapped or unwanted.

So basically if even the kids say they should have been aborted, I don't see how making ALL abortions is legal is more moral. It's not

i have personally seen this on more than one occasion. not with any woman i had anything to do with, but through acquaintances.

I have three children and caught my first child when it was delivered. I was the first human being to touch my son outside of the womb.

I watched every labor and the struggle, I gained more respect for my wife because of pregnancy than any other act could have done. Life is a battle, always has been, bodies change, you grow old, you get beat up, men get hurt at work, women may get hurt in pregnancy, nothing stops that, always will be there, but I would take the love of my children and the struggle any day over watching my child get dismembered and sucked from the womb.

You are a preening piece of shit.

Yeah, a few horror stories about women dying through back alley abortions and that will be the end of it.

I've never heard of any woman using abortion as a form of birth control.

No one would choose surgery, rather than taking the pill or using other birth control methods.

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Or make the men more financially responsible for the pregnancy and the child after it's born. it takes two and often only the woman is left to deal with the child.

Men need to step up and use protection and then do the RIGHT thing if the woman becomes pregnant.

I have never understood why men can just walk away.

I'm being serious.

Of course the morning after pill is the better solution and is probably enforced as much as possible. No one is denying it.

But what if it wasn't?

Alabama now states these victims should be forced to have the pregnancy up to term. That's evil

There is a lot of circumstances abortion should be allowed.

Especially rape.

Remember when Huckabee denied the retarded girl who was raped to have an abortion?

Like she would have been a fit mother? Um. No. It's just ridiculous to make these choices for women and their families and make it a blanket law.

There are always cases where a woman needs an abortion, but law makers would rather the women die or struggle. ok.

Ofcourse you didnt hear that.
But its the easiest way for women to whore around getting unprotected sex.

I completely agree. Rape and Incest (which is arguably rape itself) and the mothers health should be the only factors taken into consideration when talking abortion. Not because you had unprotected sex and don't want a kid. Don't have unprotected sex and guess what, no kid.

Most importantly we are expecting 100,000,000 million immigrants that will crash our borders and rape women in the US. These terrorists will impregnate intentionally!.

These terrorists will IMPREGNATE INTENTIONALLY.

And the law is now already in place for those Islamic soldiers to be born.

See what's happening here?

Family would have taken care of the child or there is adoption.

America is being taken over by crazy Evangelicals?