Abortion is not a right and it is not a form of birth control, sorry.

Here it goes! Homosexuality put as equal to abortion. Sins that lead to death!

Enough with fanatic religion, really! I go three times a week on holy mass, and i really hate the fanaticism of dark ages back in the church. It is My church too, not fanatic church! Not all christians agree with it, actually the majority dont!

I have looked and looked and yet it still eludes me. Does anyone know where the abortion section of the constitution is? I found the part that talks about life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, the key word there being life.

Listen, I don't care what women do with their bodies. An abortion is not about just their body.

Here's how it works;

A woman gets pregnant, her and the man talk about it and they decided on an abortion. She has one.

A woman gets pregnant, her and the man talk about it, she wants an abortion and he does not. She has one.

A woman gets pregnant, her and the man talk about it, she wants to keep it and he does not. She keeps it, raises it and now he pays child support for the rest of his life (18 years).

Where is the choice for the man? If she goes to a clinic with the man, he has no say and no ability to voice his opinion. Whereas she will be asked if anyone is pressuring her or supporting her.

In cases of rape, incest and the mothers health (long and short term) the ability to receive an abortion should be allowed. In every other situation it comes down to personal responsibility. There are condoms, birth control pills, vasectomies for the older guys, tubes getting tied for the older women or the women who already have like 8 kids.

Abortion removes personal responsibility and it is not a form of birth control.

By banning abortion in most cases no woman has lost the ability to control her body. Simply she (and the man) have been told to act like adults and take responsibility for their actions. She still has control over her body. A few examples;

A man and woman want to have sex, he has no condom and she is not on the pill = no sex.

A man and woman want to have sex, he has a condom and she is not on the pill = they either have sex or she says no.

A man and woman want to have sex, she is on the pill and he has no condom = they either have sex or she says no.

Am I missing the part where the guy gets to decide whether sex occurs or not. Men have no power to decide if sex occurs. That's called rape and it's a crime.

sex is a pro-creative act that has pleasuring benefits. It is not a recreational sport nor is it a weapon. It certainly is not there for men and women to do what they will with no regard for consequences.

I would argue that everyone is pro choice. We ALL have the choice to have unprotected sex. However, we are not all pro consequence or pro personal responsibility. Some argue that you should be allowed to do what you want and if unintended consequences happen then you should simply be allowed to pretend they didn't. Others argue that you should be held accountable for your actions. It's that simple.

Here it goes! Homosexuality put as equal to abortion. Sins that lead to death!

Enough with fanatic religion, really! I go three times a week on holy mass, and i really hate the fanaticism of dark ages back in the church. It is My church too, not fanatic church! Not all christians agree with it, actually the majority dont!

Women should be shown a film of what happens to the child during an abortion before they get to have one. Then they should have to see the parts afterwards if they decide to go through with it. They will see a little head and arms and legs and a torso. Abortionists have to see these parts to make sure they got the whole baby.

Ofcourse you didnt hear that.
But its the easiest way for women to whore around getting unprotected sex.

You Christian's have no problem with God killing all the children and fetuses through out the bible. But you're right it shouldn't be used as birth control.

good point

I pointed out on another thread, that the muzz will love this.
Rape, incest, breed flat out, knowing the poor woman and children can't abort, which also gives the muzz rights to the babies/children,
more rape . . more incest . . . more babies . .

. . or the woman/girls are jailed if they do abort . .

It's a win/win for muz.

It will never end, and they'll laugh at how stupid some people are, for not actually thinking about it.

For that simple reason, I hope the bill gets rejected.

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I have looked and looked and yet it still eludes me. Does anyone know where the abortion section of the constitution is? I found the part that talks about life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, the key word there being life.

Listen, I don't care what women do with their bodies. An abortion is not about just their body.

Here's how it works;

A woman gets pregnant, her and the man talk about it and they decided on an abortion. She has one.

A woman gets pregnant, her and the man talk about it, she wants an abortion and he does not. She has one.

A woman gets pregnant, her and the man talk about it, she wants to keep it and he does not. She keeps it, raises it and now he pays child support for the rest of his life (18 years).

Where is the choice for the man? If she goes to a clinic with the man, he has no say and no ability to voice his opinion. Whereas she will be asked if anyone is pressuring her or supporting her.

In cases of rape, incest and the mothers health (long and short term) the ability to receive an abortion should be allowed. In every other situation it comes down to personal responsibility. There are condoms, birth control pills, vasectomies for the older guys, tubes getting tied for the older women or the women who already have like 8 kids.

Abortion removes personal responsibility and it is not a form of birth control.

By banning abortion in most cases no woman has lost the ability to control her body. Simply she (and the man) have been told to act like adults and take responsibility for their actions. She still has control over her body. A few examples;

A man and woman want to have sex, he has no condom and she is not on the pill = no sex.

A man and woman want to have sex, he has a condom and she is not on the pill = they either have sex or she says no.

A man and woman want to have sex, she is on the pill and he has no condom = they either have sex or she says no.

Am I missing the part where the guy gets to decide whether sex occurs or not. Men have no power to decide if sex occurs. That's called rape and it's a crime.

sex is a pro-creative act that has pleasuring benefits. It is not a recreational sport nor is it a weapon. It certainly is not there for men and women to do what they will with no regard for consequences.

I would argue that everyone is pro choice. We ALL have the choice to have unprotected sex. However, we are not all pro consequence or pro personal responsibility. Some argue that you should be allowed to do what you want and if unintended consequences happen then you should simply be allowed to pretend they didn't. Others argue that you should be held accountable for your actions. It's that simple.

You are using a straw man if you think I support aborting children which are wanted by their parents.


But if a women tells you she doesn't want to have the child (for whatever reason, really); how is it your decision or the state to tell her; fuck you ma'm, you'll keep the child that's what you will do.

And fuck the Republican who claimed women are nothing but "host bodies"

There have been threads here of women bragging about aborting their babies & saying that was their birth control.

Your type always go to the extremes. What is the percentage of raped victims getting pregnant.

And we're to believe the veracity of these women, as much as we do in the stock of YOUR tavi.

Noone in any history has told a woman she has to keep the baby, there are options for the murder.

Less than 1/10th of 1 percent of abortions are rape, incest or life of the mother in danger.

99.9% are murder.

what bothers me most is in the case of rape.
imagine, being attacked and sexually assaulted, and then having the offspring of that attacker inside of you.

abortion should never be used as a form of birth control, but, forcing a raped woman to keep a baby is even more horrible.

just my 2 cents

Your type always go to the extremes. What is the percentage of raped victims getting pregnant.

And if you are that woman?

One should judge a society on how it handles the "exception" conditions. We are devolving into an idiocratic 1984.

Deuteronomy 22:23-29 New International Version (NIV)
23 If a man happens to meet in a town a virgin pledged to be married and he sleeps with her, 24 you shall take both of them to the gate of that town and stone them to death—the young woman because she was in a town and did not scream for help, and the man because he violated another man’s wife. You must purge the evil from among you.

25 But if out in the country a man happens to meet a young woman pledged to be married and rapes her, only the man who has done this shall die. 26 Do nothing to the woman; she has committed no sin deserving death. This case is like that of someone who attacks and murders a neighbor, 27 for the man found the young woman out in the country, and though the betrothed woman screamed, there was no one to rescue her.

28 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, 29 he shall pay her father fifty shekels[a] of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.

The conversation certainly needs to be had with regard to those circumstances but the vast majority of abortions are not performed because of failed birth control. Those cases are a very small percentage of unwanted pregnancies.

I think, and I'm sad to say it, but I think people are too stupid to use birth control, or to use it PROPERLY, and because they have the fall-back position of abortion, they figure they can't loose.

I have used many forms including ones with supposed "high failure rates" (such as withdrawl and fertility awareness) and I've always been EXTREMELY FERTILE and I've never had a woops.

That is because I used every form as a perfectionist and was never in denial about it. I always fell on the side of "safer". Because I knew I wouldn't ever have an abortion.

Exactly. And if a woman uses bc AND a condom, failure rate is even lower. On top of that even, is using both of those plus fertility awareness. I prevented pregnancy for THREE years JUST by not having sex during the week I was ovulating. The only reason it failed was because of my own lapse of judgement. The whole "birth control fails" argument is ridiculous to me, and a cop out. It's not difficult to prevent pregnancy. It's easier to be careless and let taxpayers pay for it.