I just want Glps argument, wasn't America and our founding four fathers found off Christianity.

Now it were LGBT's and muslims, they founded the USA together. They also founded Europe. We changed that after the year 2000.

I was just being sarcastic to point out it had nothing to do with Christianity, but individual rights from being oppressed by government or royalty.

The founding fathers would disagree with you:

"It is impossible to rightly govern a nation without God and the Bible."

- George Washington

"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious People. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."

- John Adams

"The moral and religious system which Jesus Christ transmitted to us is the best the world has ever seen or can see."

- Benjamin Franklin


"Resistance to tyranny becomes the Christian and social duty of each individual. ... Continue steadfast and, with a proper sense of your dependence on God, nobly defend those rights which heaven gave, and no man ought to take from us."

- John Hancock

Bullshit, you know nothing and should shut the heck up for your soul sake, if you have any.


You have written these books, and it is very okay to say that you have. It is not necessary for you, or anyone else, to hide your light under a bushel. I have made that point before. Unless you learn to acknowledge Who You Are and what you have done, you can never acknowledge others for Who They Are and what they have done.

It is true that you have been inspired by Me to put these principles into print. It is true that I have given you the words to write. Does that make it any less your achievement? If it does, than you should not honor Thomas Jefferson for writing the Declaration of Independence, Albert Einstein for articulating the theory of relativity, Madam Curie, Mozart, Rembrandt, Martin Luther King, Mother Teresa, or anyone else who has done anything of note in the history of the human race—because I inspired them all.

My son, I cannot tell you how many people to whom I have given wonderful words to write, who have never written them. I cannot tell you how many people to whom I have given wonderful songs to sing, who have never sung them. Do you want the list of people to whom I have given gifts, who have never used them?.

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To refresh in your mind why we need separation of church and state, read Foxe’s Book of Martyrs. Those times were not that long ago to the founding fathers, when the Catholic Popes ruled over the Kings and Queens of Europe and Puritan Oliver Cromwell’s government persecuted Catholics. The Puritans in colonial Massachusetts persecuted the Quakers. Separate colonies were set up where certain religions could be practiced. William Penn led the persecuted Quakers to Pennsylvania. Maryland was the colony where Catholics were safe from persecution.
In order to have a United States of America, they knew that no religion should ever be established as part of the government.

Foxe’s Book of Martyrs
[link to www.ccel.org]

The first amendment was written to keep the government out of the church, not the other way around. The founders all believed that religion was required to have a good government. There is nothing in the Constitution about the separation of church and state, except for the establishment clause. The establishment clause is where they said the government may not establish a church. They had just left England to get away from the government established church. They came to America so they could pray the way they saw fit, without government interference.

God and the Bible are not the exclusive property of christians.

The US Government is not a religious system. Those are the personal opinions of government employees.

Again...jesus is not God. Proper names are not translatable.

But thanks for making clear the intentions of christians towards Americans. Today, like then, it is murder and robbery and home invasion.

Y'all will get the Help you need.

There is ONLY One Law in this Land and it has very little to do with your immigrant gods.

job well done...The Government will certainly stay far from your church.

the church should remember who holds Title to these lands before it gets nuked.

none of you have demonstrated even a basic understanding of the Structure of the American System.

I assure you all, for your own safety...This ain't a christian system. no other 'relgion' either has any say in this land.

while their service is appreciated...what you call 'founding fathers' Are Not the foundation of this system; they just worked here for awhile and then they died.

the bible is not even a book...its a compilation. like a cliffs notes version of available philosophical, spiritual and legal principles.

that any of you believe that this system was built and sustained by your strength of arms and religious beliefs suggests is incredible.

based on what i see on the news wires...this society seems suicidal.

the most recent systems created by christian peoples were fascist germany and italy and communist russia.

christianity believes in an absolute monarch...

the United States is far from anything a christian could possibly comprehend.

if a christians founded this system and, more importantly, sustained it...a christian would know what will happen tomorrow with this system and why.

but you don't know because it is not for you to know.

christians are allowed to live, work and worship with
an astonishing level of autonomy, just as many others...nothing more. why isn't that enough for the christians?

why do they imagine they have more rights here than they do?

:ohlook:

You mean the religion that ignores everything from before Hebrew, and what came to be known as god(s), who were literally Medium Grade Reptilian klutz Genetic Interventionist Engineers.
Enki/Enlil/{Archons} and the bunch.?

The term "separation of church and state" appears no where in the US constitution or the Bill of Rights.

It was part of a law suit brought against the government by an atheist whose final resting place was a remote storage locker in Texas

[link to www.nytimes.com (secure)]

She was considered the most hated woman in America and wanted to kill her own son after he became a minister.

wow. all over the board with this thread. And that's much better than dictated Islam. So carry on.

Most of the founding fathers were deists, nonetheless, America is considered a historically a protestant Christian nation because the principles on which it was based were championed by the Lord Jesus Christ in the Gospels. This includes the Separation of church and state (which very much was/is the law, it's called the 1st amendment of the Constitution, evidently better go read it.) because Jesus Christ Himself made this distinction (Mt. 22:21), and furthermore because about 1000 years of history testified that every single time a church was using the civil government to make laws (or vise versa) it ALWAYS led to the persecution and bloodshed of those of other sects or religions.

And make no mistake about, all of the insanity going on in the World today, which has largely been manufactured, especially the liberal insanity, is to get the people forfeit their 1st amendment, and embrace a church+state evangelical union. This is the epitome of "ORDO AB CHAO" (Order Out of Chahos) and the true nature of the new world order, exactly as prophesied by Bible. For more info see following links:

Thread: Your Daily Dose of Truth

[link to contendingforthefaithblog.wordpress.com (secure)] (especially pages 23-27)

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As a Freemason you must have a belief in a higher power. However a Freemason does NOT have to accept the beliefs, ditties and books of other religions, only be accepting of others with other beliefs.

In America today, Freemasons are predominately Christian--- particularly in the South. It is worth mentioning a good portion of these Brothers have animosity towards Islam due to the intolerant nature of it's teachings.

Another point to be made is both Islam AND the Catholic Church hold negative views on Freemasonry.

no reasonable person can possibly conclude that a cultural group, european christians, with no prior historical exposure to a system such as the the United States or America, could create such a place from scratch.

your own brethren, from what you all call the 'old world' demonstrate no inclination to adopt and implement this western hemispheric system in their own lands and hold firm to the ways of their ancestors.

your ancestors arrived at a few locations...the most famous being what became known as Jamestown only 160 miles to the south of Washington D.C. and 60 miles to the east from Richmond Virginia....the Home of Paramount Ruler, Powhatan.

This System was in place well before 1608 and evolved to what it is today, under the direction and complete control of Native people; you were allowed to participate.

Jamestown was a settlement of european political and religious refugees.

You were fed and housed and taught a new way, far departed from the ways of your ancestors.

America for damn sure ain't christian.

perhaps this will be the 'apocalypse' the christians await.

when they are forced to accept that the United States of America is not a christian nation and never has been.

it doesn't have to be painful...just cast off your delusions.

Great thread. Nice quotes, Scrump.

This is one of the great myths within the annuls of American history. We don't have four fathers.

We have one father and three cucks.

the delusions of christians in America is similar to that of the babylonians in Judah.

Nebuchadnezzar, christ, murdered his Uncle so as to possess his property. obviously, from what can be read even in this thread, christians are incapable of learning or seeing the correct way and only desire what feeds their egos.

do the christians in America realize that they are being used as tools to accomplish the long term goals of the Persians...as Nebuchadnezzar, their ideal man?

If yes...what would you do with them christians?
If no...what would you do with the christians?

do the christians realize that they have failed to accomplish the tasks they were assigned?

why would christians freely choose to be destroyed when the truth is within their grasp?

some of our founding fathers were spiritual but NOT Christians... Christ Jesus did NOT start a religion. The dark shits did.

We are one nation under god but most of the people in this nation do not comprehend God to start with. I AM NOT a Christian.. I cannot post and teach garbage beloveds...I am not a club joiner.

However I personally know and serve Christ Jesus...

NOPE.

Most of our founding fathers were christian. Generations of people were taught to read from GOD's word, the holy bible.

Christianity itself began with GOD's only begotten son, Jesus

Matthew 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

those of urantia cult who personally serve satan of Nebadon are pushing garbage. They DO NOT PREVAIL!

If christians founded the United States, why are they not in control of the United States today?

Yes. Simple answer.
The arabs and africans were not considered human species or thier religions at all, witches were burned (heh heh heh) and white christians is EXACTLY who this country was made for.
Like all things non white, bungaloos come along later and pretend it meant any pagan garbage and so does every other fractured fairy tale that has come out from under its rock for the kill.

Thomas Rolfe...the son of My Sister.

can Never inherit!

The founding fathers came here for better economic opportunity. They were slave owners and raped young slave girls. If they were true Christians the motto would be “in Jesus we trust”.

They also protected Satan’s religions. To this day religious freedom protects all the false religions.