Cops draw guns on black man picking up trash on his property

Not even if he held several guns is he required to obey that dumb cop. Hypothetical situation. I am in complete compliance with the law, on my own property or in my car, armed, and a roided up cop with history of abusing citizens pulls his weapon and is demanding I disarm.
m I required to follow his orders?

You see, the way I read the Constitution no person is above the law and all laws have eual force on every person. Point gun at me and is it is aT aLL POSSIBLE, I will end you as is my right under the law in dealing with deadly imminent threats

Sure, pay particular attention to the part in red, because without reasonable suspicion of a crime you are under no obligation to provide id. In fact without reasonable suspicion of a crime they can't even "legally" detain you. Learn your rights people or they will be taken from you!

Hiibel v. Sixth Judicial District Court of Nevada, 542 U.S. 177 (2004), the Court reasoned that a state statute can require a suspect to disclose his or her name in the course of a brief stop, if the detention was based on reasonable suspicion of a crime. Therefore, if state law requires identifying yourself to an officer, refusing to answer a request for one’s name during a stop could lead to an arrest.

Go for it tuff guy, post a link to your obit in advance.

I wouldnt last as a cop because my first arrest would be the city council and the Freemasons lodge

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Then the cops sez you are suspicious. Now what? Gonna get beat instead of just cooperating?

Your papers please....Police state

I have lawfully held police at gunpoint three times in my life to protect the lives of the innocent. i wasnt shot and and I wasn't charged,mainly because I had video and eye witness documentation of their criminal acts in drawing their weapons and in one case assaulting 5yo child. Im not stupid but I'd rather be dead than to be commanded by a fucking idiot cop

I would ask him if "suspicious" as a felony or a misdemeanor? And to please state the penal code of "suspicious" You see, suspicious is not a crime.

Then I would ask him if I'm being detained. If he says no I would walk away. If he says yes I would ask him what crime do you suspect me of committing officer? Once again, suspicious is not a crime.

The very few times the people have stood up against the police in numbers, they have RaN and hid

Cops hate it when citizens know and enforce their rights. Learn your rights people.

Non compliance with the police IS NOT a CRIME. Tell 'em to get fucked and keep your mouth shut from that point on. It works. The more you talk, the more they have to say they're suspicious of.
If he'd kept his mouth shut and they had arrested him, he had multi million dollar civil rights lawsuit and that is how you bet the fuckers because the bottom line for any police department IS about creating revenue for the jurisdiction, not losing millions of dollars

The irony, coming from a pig. Tuff guy, huh?
Hope you get gunned

Hey dumbass, who do you think pays these lawsuit awards? It's not the dognut brigade. It's us. The cities should be immune from paying if the cop is the cause of the lawsuit. Take the cops and the cops family assets to settle the debt.

The cops are employed by the city. They represent the city and enforce the cities laws. Perhaps the city should train them to not violate the citizens rights and if they are caught violating someones rights they should swiftly terminate their employment with the city.

All the cities have to do is make the cops independent contractors

That's all well and good but what happens when that rogue cops shoots and maims someone and they're rushed to the hospital and rack up a Million plus in medical bills.

Now, that person can't sue the city to recover their medical bills, pain & suffering etc and you know the cop doesn't have even a fraction of that much money or he wouldn't be a cop.

I think I'd prefer them working for the city.

Independent contractors are required to have their own insurance.

You watching CNN with your cats doesn't reflect how the world works sweetheart.

Sue the city that hired him, the cop himself
and put him in prison for a mandatory life sentence for color of law criminal oppression. If people in a town dont want to get sued let them complain about the crooked, violent self entitled and self aggrandizing cops so they re gotten rid of.
With all the cameras out there now cops cant hardly know when they are being video taped, which is a good thing

Actually, in most states they CAN, legally

even if it's not legal, it's better to comply . Show your ID, explain yourself, then be on your way

Or, you can be one of those "I know my rights!" idiots and escalate things, then end up dying from a restraint hold or being tased.

the choice is yours

you know its not just cops in the USA that do stupid shit, in 2010 we had a dispute with our next door neighbour, they were a bunch of bullying dickheads, they cut cables to cctv cameras that we had put up 5 years before, so we had some problems with them, now you know we cant have handguns in the UK, and rifles are difficult to obtain due to the strict firearms laws, now at the time and I still have I have a shotgun license which only allows me to obtain shotguns that can hold no more than 3 shells (pump and semi auto) I have a semi auto and a over and under.
I also have several air pistols and 2 air rifles. The police here in the UK dont carry weapons instead we have firearms response police officers, who have 9mm Glock pistols strapped to their hip and 9mm HK or similar rifles in a locker in the patrol car.

OK I was just setting the scene................

it was Friday night and I was cleaning one of my CO2 bulb powered air pistols a Smith and Wesson 626 look alike by Umerex of Germany, it was quite expensive it cost me £265 in 2006, the pistol was in bits on a coffee table in the living room on a white towelling cloth, gun oil grease and couple of tools, my 2 kids were in the house watching telly, the wife had gone out. There was a loud knocking at the door and upon opening it was a local beat cop, asking if we had seen any undesirables hanging about as someone on the estate had had there mountain bike stolen,I invited him in, and after a minute he spied the air pistol on the table.....he asked what it was and I told him it was an air pistol, I then went over to the frame to show him the the CO2 .177 air pistol written on the barrel, when he commanded me to stop, and insisted on calling the firearms sqaud the check the gun out.......bemused I listened to him on the radio.
Now at the time I lived in Middlesbrough on the North East coast of England the 2 firearms patrol cars were both at a ton called Peterlee on the same coast further north a total of 21 miles away these 2 cops raced down the A19 one crashing at over 100mph and the other kept going, when they arrived at our home with hands on guns they inspected the air pistol, proper pissed off because presumably they had wrote off a BMW X5 3 months old patrol car..... I did not know this at the time.....they then wanted to take my air pistol off me, but I soon put a stop to that after I told them they were legally owned air pistols and they just made themselves to be total jerks

I've found Hispanics do most of the littering.

They'll throw big parties in the park and just leave the trash laying on the ground, while the trash barrels nearby are empty.

They even leave dirty diapers from their spawn all over - parking lots are littered with them.

It's even worse down in Mexico and Central America -- you can go to the most beautiful places and trash is strewn about all over

It's like it's in their blood to litter -- along with rape and violence

I'll take "things that never happened" for $800, Alex ...

Then if you have a problem with how you were treated you hire a lawyer and file a complaint. if its all on video, like the guy knew it was, you shouldn't have any problem proving your case. Or you can be an idiot and start a shouting match from your front lawn with a potential weapon in your hand with 8 cops who's guns are drawn.

In any state they can ASK to see your id but you are not legally obligated to provide it unless they have reasonable suspicion that you have either committed a crime or you are about to commit a crime. They also must be able to articulate said crime. Learn the law, The United States is a free Nation. We're not living in Nazi Germany.

Hiibel v. Sixth Judicial District Court of Nevada, 542 U.S. 177 (2004), the Court reasoned that a state statute can require a suspect to disclose his or her name in the course of a brief stop, if the detention was based on reasonable suspicion of a crime. Therefore, if state law requires identifying yourself to an officer, refusing to answer a request for one’s name during a stop could lead to an arrest.


Legally, they can not even detain you unless they have reasonable suspicion that you have or are about to commit a crime. You do not have to id yourself just because they ask (or demand for that matter). Learn the laws people. Learn your rights or they will take them away.

Being detained by a police officer in The United States of America who has no reasonable suspicion that you have either committed a crime or that you are about to commit a crime is a violation of your Fourth Amendment rights. They are illegally seizing your person.

They are dumbing you down so you don't even know your rights (success on their part with you) and they want to make you not care when your rights are violated (another success for them with you).

This way when they take away your rights you won't even care or notice. Perhaps you'll even vote them away. Dumb down each generation dumber than the last, that's how they're doing it.

Learn your rights and don't let them violate them or they will take them away.