Born-Again? How DO Prophesy Discussions Or Sermons Serve Your Needs?

Matthew 22


1. And Jesus answered and spake unto them again by parables, and said,
2. The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son,


3. And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.
4. Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage.
5. But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise:
6. And the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them.
7. But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.


8. Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy.
9. Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage.
10. So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.


11. And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:
12. And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.

13. Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.


14. For many are called, but few are chosen.



If you would BE HIS, Time To Answer HIS Call...
Accept HIS Invitation to HIS Wedding Feast.
Get your Wedding Garment (Born-Again Heart) and BE There!

Many were Called... And All God Called, HE Chose!
But few Chose-Elected to Come Unto The Father surrendering self and thereby Being Born-Again!

From Ezekiel ch 36, The Concise Witness of The Born-Again Life:
26. A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.


Time To Decide! Will you BE HIS or will you fail to Prove Your Love For HIM?

Love must be Voiced, Proven.

The "works" thing of "Faith w/o works is dead" refers to Taking Action By Coming Unto The Father!

If you can't manifest your Faith Into Action, then your Faith is dead!

Christ Was Sent To Enable Our Coming Unto The Father...

All that matters in scope of your life: Answering Father's Call...

Something you better consider:
1 Corinthians 14:37-39

…37 If anyone considers himself a prophet or spiritual person, let him acknowledge that what I am writing you is the Lord’s command.
38 But if anyone ignores this, he himself will be ignored.
39 So, my brothers, be eager to prophesy and do not forbid speaking in tongues.…

Prophecy is something that God gave the Church
1 Corinthians 14:1,3,5,24,25
Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy…

Or do you not know Revelation 19:10?
"....Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy."

Prophesy predictions are just opinions of the various people in your discussion group. That is all...you can BS all you want about prophecy according to the bible but eventually you will see...
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"Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near.
" Revelation 1:3

Very interesting discussion.

Point is: re my title; they Don't....


Born-Again = A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

KNOWING The Father Personally and Directly.
KNOWING HIS Voice and Enabled to KNOW and DO HIS Will...


To what purpose does "Prophecy" serve Born-Again Understanding?


Especially when "given" by someone NOT Ezekiel 36 Born-Again...


Very popular in Laodicea to write "words" and Claim The Lord Gave them to you. Then there are the Teachers/Ministers/Preachers who share no concept of Born-Again Witness, but have divinity degrees or appointments from denomination or church entity.

St. Paul, in 2nd Timothy 2:1-7 Shares Witness w/Timothy that those who would minister/teach/preach; "Ought First BE Partakers Of The Fruits" Yet, in Laodicea, most aren't even Believers... Pastoring is a "job" for someone with a sociology degree; as "church" in Laodicea is more about counseling how to live "in/with 'the world'" than how to "die unto the world"...


I gave my life Unto The Father (not Christ!) in 1984. I was raised & educated catholic, so in my surrender prayer, I told Father: "I Know Jesus Is YOUR Son and our Redeemer & Saviour, but I don't Know how HE fits into your plan for us; So, I'm giving my life to you Father, YahWeh, Elohim, Jehovah, Abba..."

In my almost 20yr long Born-Again Life, before being Told To Witness, I hardly ever read The Bible, much less ever "studied" It. Why would I? My Life In and With Father allowed me to simply ask HIM any questions I might have had.

St. John Says: "But you Have An Unction from The Holy One and Know All Things". 1st John 2:20

Very True, in my experience... Knowing All Things, why would I need to consider Prophecy, except as a tool to share my witness???


That's the point... KNOWING HIM we are Delivered!
Delivered from our carnal, stony-heart and Into Partakers Of HIS Holiness! We Get "A New Heart Of Flesh" HIS Flesh!
Abiding In and With HIM with God The Holy Spirit Within To Guide our life!


There's no 'knowing Scripture' without Being Born-Again.
There's no KNOWING Christ without Being Enabled To "DO The Will of MY Father, Which Art In Heaven" (matt 7:21)

Prophecy and Prophets, in Scripture, were announcing The Coming Of Christ Jesus. The Word Became Flesh and Came Unto This World Bringing The Gospel and Our Redemption...


IF... All the Prophecy you've read in the scope of your life, and ALL the Prophesying you've heard over your lifetime Have NOT Convicted you to Come Unto The Father.... What are you to HIM?

Laodiceans take refuge from God with Sayings interpreted in this church age, like: "Prove It In The Word!" Meaning, don't Trust any Witness you might Get From God unless you find correlation in Scripture...

Of course, you're NOT Being Born-Again, you can't Recognize correlation.

What you are is Unwilling To Trust God Fully!


Laodiceans of the intellectual seeking variety Love to take refuge in 2nd Timothy 2:15 which refers back to those Paul Witnesses of in verses 1-6... Those who will minister/teach/preach. But the carnal-hearted mind grabs onto "Study Unto The Approval Of God" from verse 15 and determines this means "them"...

But they're NOT Partakers Of The Fruits; they probably don't even Believe anyone can Come Unto The Father and KNOW HIM... But... They're willing to study...

Jesus Witnesses of these persons in Matt 13:11-15 where HE Explains why HE Teaches using parables....


What does Prophecy mean in the scheme of God's Plan IF YOU AREN'T Willing To Trust God Fully With ALL You Are and All You Might Ever Be?


But... Oh, Here Comes The Great Tribulation, and so you rationalize the falsehood of 'rapture' to "take you out of the chaos and suffering that is coming...

Except, YOU Don't Know John 17:15 where Jesus Witnesses (In Prayer) To Father "I pray that you will not take them (Born-Agains) from this world, but Preserve Them From The evil." Meaning Preserve HIS People From All evil. Passed-Over, Delivered, Preserved...


How is it that Christ might have Relationship with those HE Says HE Doesn't KNOW, because they are "workers of iniquity"??? Matt 7:23 Of course, the prophesiers don't KNOW about this one... They're just doing what they think God would have them do...


Such IS The Laodicean church: Unwilling To Trust God Fully, but willing to make pretense and give false-witness that they do.


What really matters?
What can't your divinity degreed preacher/teacher/minister Tell you or Lead You To?

The Relationship With Father-God Which HE Sent Christ Jesus To Us To Enable and Secure!


If you would Be HIS, and Be Brought Into HIS Knowing; Time To Tell HIM So...


Maranatha!!!

2 Timothy 2


1. Thou therefore, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus.
2. And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, the same commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also.
3. Thou therefore endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ.
4. No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.
5. And if a man also strive for masteries, yet is he not crowned, except he strive lawfully.


6. The husbandman that laboureth must be first partaker of the fruits.
7. Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things.


8. Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:
9. Wherein I suffer trouble, as an evil doer, even unto bonds; but the word of God is not bound.
10. Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.

11. It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him:
12. If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
13. If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.
14. Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.

15. Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Matt 7:21-23


21. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.


22. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?


23. And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.



This is the concise Witness Jesus Gives Of Rejection!
Those begging of HIM to allow them into Heaven, did Prophesy In HIS Name, they Cast-Out demons, and they did many Miracles...

What they didn't do is Come Unto The Father...
They're NOT Born-Again.
Jesus Don't KNOW them...


Did they Serve God's Will?
Evidently, or the Miracles would not have happened and the demons would not have been cast-out...

But, they never made their surrender Unto Father-God, and they never were Given their New Heart Of HIS Flesh...

They remained carnal, stony-hearted; workers of iniquity (self-will).


Doesn't matter how much they sacrificed or attempted to be "pleasing unto God". They Never Gave HIM Their All...


So.... What's Prophesy mean to a Born-Again....
Great Thrills to read what The Prophets Witnessed.
ALL Scripture IS Christ; HIS Coming and HIS Purpose Ordained By The Father!

"Marvel not that I Say Unto you, Ye MUST Be Born-Again!"
"No man Cometh Unto The Father but BY ME!"

26. A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.


Such is the How, What, and Why of Christianity.

Only the FACT that God's Will IS ALWAYS PERFECT! allows me not to weep and lament for all the Laodiceans who cannot find it On Their Heart to Come Unto The Father...

I am unable to contemplate, much less understand that there might be some Born-Agains who cannot understand.


God Has Made and Blessed Your Way!
Up to you to take it!


Maranatha!!!

Jesus' Witness as to why HE Teaches using parables...


From Matt ch 13:

10. And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?


11. He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12. For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.


13. Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

14. And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:

15. For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

To be clear...

This Witness refers to The Book of Revelation.
A unique Book compared to all others of Scripture.

The only Prophecy Given in the New Testament is Given BY Jesus and Given To St. John in Revelation.

Here is the Revelation 3 Witness to Laodicea:

14. And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;

15. I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.

16. So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.


17. Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:

18. I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

19. As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
20. Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.



All about Opening Your Door (carnal-heart) and Coming Unto The Father. Being Brought Into KNOWING HIM...

Through our surrender, HE Makes Us Partakers In HIS Holiness and Victory. By dying unto self, we are Given Life Eternal With and Through HIM.... Amen!

Hi Lester, My experience of God is the leap of faith against all hope that if I held on, He, Jesus, would save me and He did.

I'm not a big bible reader and my eyes glaze over at so many verses, but I'm not critical because the Word must be carried by those who do that.

I remember reading that only the Father knows the hour when the end will come, so I don't ignore prophesy but I know that it has been abused, especially on this site.

Thank you for your threads and posts.

I appreciate your taking time to comment. I tend to be pretty exact as to what I have Seen and Been Given To KNOW.

Yeah, the Scripture can be ponderous; but... When It Rings Like a Bell With Your Heart, you find Great Blessings...

I dunno about "carrying The Word", but when I began to share witness, I noticed that Christians play a game with Scripture... They won't heed it, or take witness to their heart for reflection; but if you can't provide it, they'll reject you out of hand.

It's the same mentality as those who Claim Christ and The Holy Spirit, but don't Trust Witness From HIM until they've "proved it in The Word".

Such is the defense mechanism of the carnal-heart.
Such is Why Only God The Father can Deliver Us from our stony-heart. When Christians say they're working on Coming To God, they fail... Only through surrender Unto Father-God are we Delivered.

Being "saved" and Ezekiel 36 Born-Again are different things. Is it semantics? No...

Christ "saved" the whole world by HIS Sacrifice on calvary. But... What that means is HE Redeemed Us. We each have to decide to Come Unto The Father; and then follow through and Do It...

Is the "whole world" Called By The Father?
No...

Those HE Called, KNOW WHO Jesus IS because Father Put That Knowledge Upon their hearts. These are "the many" which HE Chose to Call Unto HIM. Matt 22:14 makes clear "For many were Called, but few are Chosen!"

All those "Called" were Chosen By Father.
Only those who Choose-Elect To Come Unto HIM are Born-Again!

All I Know is what was Put On my heart to write.
Always a Blessing for me to share witness.

Try reading the Scriptures I cite and see if they talk to your heart. If you are living The Born-Again Life, you wil see your life described in Ezekiel 36:26-27, John ch 17, and 1st John Epistle 2:20-27.


Maranatha!!!

You mean "Prophecy", not "Prophesy". Good grief.

Semantics..good grief, read between the words.

yeah, my error using S instead of C in the title...
Get in a hurry and that happens.

Thanks for contributing and reading at least some of it...

Keep writing brother. Always enjoy reading your posts.

15yrs of my posts in the archives... Mostly Christian topics. Also survivalism a topic there in large quantity.

God Has Made The Way for my family in every area of our lives.

“But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.”

Op, thank you, there is truth and the love of our Father in your words.

Thanks for all the kind remarks; appreciated!


So back to Prophecy Discussions/Sermons....

KNOWING God The Father Personally, and having Direct and Conscious Contact With HIM, what does Prophecy mean to you?

From my perspective, Ezekiel 36 Born-Again, End Times Prophecies are seemingly just falling into place left & right these days. Certainly they don't need to meet my expectations, I really don't have many... Easy to see that God can ordain whatever action HE Chooses To...


What's Put On my heart is what matters to me. That Knowledge Comes From God The Holy Spirit.

Being Guided BY HIM through life is just a peaceful ride.
Jesus' Witnes in John 17 IS The Real Deal...

1. These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
2. As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
3. And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
4. I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
5. And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
6. I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.
7. Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.
8. For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.


9. I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
10. And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.
11. And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
12. While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.


13. And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves.
14. I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
15. I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.
16. They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.


17. Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
18. As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
19. And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.


20. Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
21. That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.


22. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23. I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
24. Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.

25. O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me.
26. And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.



This Is IT; The Time IS NOW!

If you would BE HIS; Time To Tell HIM So!


Maranatha!!!

Lester,

I really, really want to become a Genuine Born Again Believer In Jesus Christ With Genuine Saving Faith.

Long story short?

I've said the Sinner's Prayer HUNDREDS of Times!

I've read the ENTIRE Bible from Genesis to Revelation a DOZEN times...yet I've NEVER had a change of life! No Renewing of my mind, No Regeneration, No Transformation, No Peace, No Joy...Prayers go unanswered, etc.

I admire you Lester. And I could really, really use your help.

Help!

You sound like a Pureheart; and God Bless you for that!

I dunno about the sinners prayer. I was a catholic before I made my surrender, and so deep in that shit that had I been told before I gave my life to God, that HE would take me away from "motherchurch", I would've sought another way....

Never seen anyone but Purehearts or sinners, Come Unto The Father. Not like I've "seen" that many, but it takes brokenness to "give all you are and all you have" Unto The Father. Not talking stuff or money... But honestly and sincerely giving who and what you are to HIM and pledging to Seek and Abide BY HIS Will.

Me? I was an alcoholic, back for my 2nd attempt at AA. I was in fear of my life. Afraid of what would happen if I continued as I was going. I could no longer get drunk... No more ease from the pain of my selfish and self-willed life. Drank a liter of 100proof rum, by myself, one evening after work, between 7-10pm and couldn't catch a buzz... This is a death sentence for an alcoholic.

Anyway, I was damn serious about being "willing to go to any lengths" to get recovery. Two days after going back to AA, I was home in my empty house, and completed the 4th step list which showed where I was at fault in the relationships I had destroyed. I was going to the fridge for a soda. It was 12:30am and was walking through bedroom doorway when voice came to me: "Why don't you give your life to God now? So I got down on my knees and did.

There is a 5th step prayer in AA, but I didn't know it. I just opened my heart to God and told HIM: "I don't know how Jesus fits into your plan Father, but I Know HIM To Be Saviour and Redeemer. I'm giving my life to you, Father, YahWeh, Elohim, Jehovah, Abba."

I then told HIM I was HIS, if HE'd Have me, and that I would DO HIS Will no matter what it was. I felt that I'd ruined my life and was heading toward death, so I had nothing to lose. I'd already "lost" it all. Oh, I had money and maybe could have pulled through. But I was Blessed to have the Brokenness to make my surrender and 110% mean it in every way.

So, the sinner has brokenness and no one left to turn to. The Pureheart feels like he/she is biggest sinner in the world, but frustrated that he/she tries everything to no avail... Finally, they "give their all" to God. Holding nothing back... Giving HIM their good and bad, acknowledging they have to have HIM to live the life they want to live With and In HIM.

Have to want HIM more than the air you breathe...

This is what I Know from my experience, but how you Take Action won't matter; God Makes Our WAY if we Come Unto HIM with real self-honesty and sincerity. With True heart, I don't think you can go wrong in any way...

I usually write a how-to about Coming Unto The Father this way:
-Acknowledge Christ Jesus
-Admit & repent of your sins
-Claim your share of Father's Infinite Mercy and Grace
-Give HIM your life, all of it; good and bad and pledge your life to HIM and to Seek and DO HIS Will rather than continue on your own
-Ask God to Send HIS Holy Spirit to Guide you through life.
HE Will if you are honest and sincere.

Know that HE Has Made & Blessed your Way.

It takes what it takes...

What I Know is there is no error or failing living life In God's Accord.

Thanks for allowing me to share my witness.
God Bless You!

Nevermind.

Last Edited by Truth/Freedom on 05/22/2019 06:16 PM

Lester....you question is based on a false idea.

That people ARE 'born again'.....IF they were your question is valid.

Because they are NOT...the rest of the discussions and sermons of the future....THEIR future is necessary.

The lie spread over the minds is that the experience of being first 'seeded from above' is actually the 'BORN' experience.....IT IS NOT!


No person jumps from non existence into existence....same with the SPIRITUAL condition.

If it is as the false church teaches then NATURAL ABORTION would be okay.....cause they really are not people....

NOT SO...

lester...AWAKEN....you have potential...yet unexplored

Last Edited by yesterdays dust on 05/22/2019 07:07 AM

If you read the opening post, I wrote basically that Ezekiel 36 Born-Agains aren't living/dying with prophecies which so many Laodiceans seem to seek in the extreme.

Living IN, With, and Through Relationship With The Father, what does it matter? Kind of a signpost to the End Times, but even then, will the Matt 24:21-24 "Days Will Be Shortened" Witness Jesus Gives impact or change the dynamic of Prophecies?

Don't the Laodiceans just love to cite Daniel, Jeremiah, Isaiah, Joel and others as some sort of "proofs"? While The REAL PROOF would be On Their Heart In Witness Received From God?

A friend remarked to me once, "Not everyone gets the Burning Bush..." Oh, I think they Do, IF they Fully Surrender. If you figure you're on your way to being truly dead and departed, yet you can't quite find it in yourself to Trust God Fully and Give HIM Your ALL, what're you doing???

Yeah, maybe the thread title is a bit misleading... The second sentence "But you're Not!" (Ezekiel 36 Born-Again) makes the focus presented within Very Clear...

Most every Christian fears for some loved-ones or friends.

I was Given This by The Holy Spirit about 15yrs ago when in process of writing a witness: "No one who ever Loved Jesus with a True heart, even if only as a child, will be lost or condemned."

My witness has been solely dedicated to trying to awaken in hearts of readers that Coming Unto The Father is what they were Called to do with their lives. It was Put On My heart 4/10/04 that the Strait Gate had Closed.

About a week later, I began writing Come Unto Father witnesses exclusively.

The concise Witness of The Born-Again Life is Ezekiel 36:26-27. If you're In and With HIM, you will recognize HIS Description there of your life With HIM. Maybe not until you think about it for a while, but you realize that The Witness Is True in scope of your life and from there, you can discern/determine many other things...

But... Living In and With-HIM, it's not like you need to "recognize" your reality. You KNOW what you KNOW and that you're in Constant Conscious Contact With God. All aspects of your life are HIS Enabling. You KNOW What You Surrendered and What You Received...

Acting on your brokenness, you were made Whole.
Surrendering self Brings Victory over our carnal-heart Through The Father.
Dying unto self Brings Life Eternal, Now & Forever With HIM!

There's no KNOWING This until you've Been Given To KNOW...
It's the Leap Of Faith... The capitulation Unto God because life without HIM is wretched and worthless; no matter how much money or how easy life is for you...

Our lives mean NOTHING if we can't Trust God Fully!

What about those who weren't able to manifest their hearts, but still Claim Christ and Love/Loved HIM?

I dunno... Why should I? I Did eventually Come Unto The Father Through and By Christ Jesus.

The wholeness of Coming Unto The Father is in our Not Knowing... We Trust HIM Fully, so (like infants who trust fully) We Give HIM Our ALL... Hopeful and Eager to Live By and Through HIS Will, not our own.

I remarked earlier about those who Claim HIM and say they get Witness from God The Holy Spirit, but can't Trust HIS Witness until they "prove it in The Word"!

Dear God! Was told this once by a very sincere person in my living room and nearly fell over!

There's no KNOWING HIM without Trusting HIM Fully! Who knows what rationalizations this person made of God and every other area of their life; but, God's Witness to us Can Be Trusted.

It's saved my life and that of my family on couple of occasions.

Then, there's ALL The Deliverances Father Brings Us Through, without our even Knowing that HE Did So...

All the things we want for ourselves and our family that HIS denial seems hard to accept; until you see (sometimes) what getting your desired event/thing would have meant and how it would have impacted you/yours!

One our earliest homechurch sessions was looking at Matthew 13:10-15 which comes between Jesus' Witness of The Sower and HIS Explanation of that parable. Why Did Jesus Teach Using Parables? My wife said "To help us understand" and that sounded reasonable and accurate to me, too. But quite the contrary...

Probably posted these verses before, but here they are again, in order to witness how much our "heart" counts with God...

10. And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?

11. He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12. For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.

13. Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

14. And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:

15. For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.


Verse 15 is an eye-opener... My witness on this is that God Isn't Seeking those who seek HIM with their intellect.

There's No Knowing, a' priori... There's no "being sure" you're doing the right thing, or gonna get what you expect from God...


There's ONLY Trusting HIM Fully, and KNOWING You CAN Rely On HIS Love for you to make your life "right".

So, that's the Leap Of Faith you're making... You surrender "unconditionally", Trusting God Fully and Completely to Do Right by you.

HE Could Have Killed me, and I would have KNOWN I Deserved it! Halfway expected that... I Knew I was a wretch without HIM!

Brokenness brought me to the greatest moment of my life!

Almost 35yrs now... Living In and With HIM... Knowing The Holy Trinity!


There's no true surrender if you know in advance what to expect... Capitulation... Giving Your ALL without Knowing anything but that God IS All Perfect and HIS Will For You Will Also BE Perfect!

Only HE IS Worthy of our Complete and Total Trust! Despite our not being "sure" of what HIS Will for us will be...


Maranatha!!!

Nevermind.

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What would you KNOW about Living In Relationship With God, AC?

YOUR Perspective is in error... Like the friend of ours who couldn't understand why a Born-Again would watch war movies?

God does NOT abandon HIS People... God's Will for one will not be the same for another... But doubt you could accept that.

"Smoking reefer" is not a grave sin. Would taking CBD Oil be a "sin" in your book? However, to be clear, anyone using substances to try and deal with the pain of a life alienated from God; meaning, they over-do anything: food, sex, drugs, alcohol, gambling, even shopping tries to mask their pain by their addiction, over-indulgence.


I don't KNOW that God is all that concerned, or even regards unmarried sex or recreational drug use as a "sin".

If you're Born-Again, and Following HIS Guidance, your life IS HIS...

"Inviting Christ into your life" is a Laodicean nothingburger. What counts is Giving Your Life Unto The Father and Surrendering self and self-will.

"Accepting Jesus As Your Lord and Saviour" means NOTHING!
HE IS, whether you accept HIM or not.


What does Accepting HIM mean if you cannot Tell God you Trust HIM Completely and Take Action By Coming Unto HIM in surrender?

Laodiceans want to define God to meet what they are willing to allow HIM to be. They do the same with "sin".


In 2nd Timothy 2: Paul Witnesses as to those who would teach/preach/minister and Says:
5. And if a man also strive for masteries, yet is he not crowned, except he strive lawfully.
6. The husbandman that laboureth must be first partaker of the fruits.
7. Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things.


Timothy is Born-Again... Paul shares His Witness that any who would teach/preach/minister "Ought First BE Partakers Of The Fruits" and then reminds Tim to take his witness to God: "Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things.


If you were yourself Born-Again, you would have The Lord To Give You Understanding In All Things!


There's no Being Born-Again without giving your all Unto God.

above remarks for Rayelle

Bye.

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