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MissCleo  (OP)

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05/23/2019 03:51 PM

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Our job as humans is to have virtue, not to do God's job which is judgement.

So this argument over Roe v Wade isn't our job. To put judgement on me, a woman who chooses abortion, a woman who is raped, or anyone else isn't what we should be doing. Instead we should be increasing OUR OWN virtue.
 Quoting: MissCleo


I hesitated to even reply because of God's judgement for what I may say here. Everything about abortion is Mercy. The fetus growing depends on our Mercy. Write Mercy there. The mother who carries and bears and feeds what is growing inside her, write Mercy there. The woman who needs an abortion to save her life, who thinks her child won't have a chance, or for a myriad of reasons, write Mercy on her stomach. The people suffering who need the child's blood, stem cells, tissues,etc., need Mercy. When the child is born dependent on us for it's care, write Mercy there. Everything about the child is about our Mercy. We are not barbarians, who kill our babygirls.No matter how you spin this, it is still murder vs mercy.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77045144


No. Pregnancy is not mercy. Pregnancy is a natural process that needs no mercy. But nice try.

Face it, you don't even know what mercy means. ANy other non-virtues you wish to confess?
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Same old debate: Abortion is birth control or women shouldn't get raped. Can we talk about Mercy instead of the typical abortion debate?

Mercy to those babies to be born without skin, or other organs, or in sever pain for their lives? Babies who aren't whole and perfect but who won't ever be able to be independent adults? Birth defects so dibilitating but haven't killed them because they are a part of the mother's body which is keeping them alive!

Mercy to those babies born into situations where they will never receive love. Unwanted babies conceived to addicts or sin. How will that baby suffer in life?

In China and India there are baby girls thrown away in garbage dumps because they are unwanted females who won't be able to support their families. Is this mercy from a life of prostitution and abuse?

What are your examples of mercy?
How do you express mercy?
Explain mercy...
 Quoting: MissCleo


...Babies who aren't whole and perfect...

The problem with this argument is, who gets to decide what is whole and perfect? Hitler strived for a perfect race. Not saying that is what you are advocating, but that is where the slippery slope can lead very quickly.
 Quoting: jt210


again, the topic is MERCY.

WE AREN'T DISCUSSING JUDGEMENT. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT MERCY.

CAN ANYONE TALK ABOUT MERCY???

UM. NO MISS CLEO, THEY CAN'T. THEY ARE INCAPABLE. SO STOP YELLING.
 Quoting: MissCleo


Stop yelling, dammit :)

I get what you are saying. But the problem is the slippery slope or the genie's out of the bottle kind of thing. Who is making the call on the MERCY? Who is drawing the line? You? Me? Some crazy dingbat in congress? And what if the pre-birth information is wrong?

Example.. A Friend of mine and his wife have 2 children. Both times, they tested for high probability of downs syndrome during the pregnancy. Fortunately, they did not listen to science. Both kids were born free of any defect. One is actually in Law School right now, the other is an honors student.
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Only about four percent if the time di abortions have anything to do with the health of the mother or the child.

It has become the default form of contraception for a culture of irresponsibility.

Just sad, imo.
 Quoting: Adytum


people don't have sex and say: "if we get pregnant we will abort". What happens is that people are attracted and don't ask up front if there is contraception involved... so it's lack of sexual communication (caught up in the heat of the moment and casual sex culture, yes).

Way more than 4% has to do with health because it's not pregnancy health, it's the mental health, emotional health, child's lifetime health which makes it more like 90%.

What's sad is that people aren't comfortable enough to communicate or know how. So why aren't we teaching them? Instead we want to tell them not to abort and that's after-the-fact. Protesting abortion does nothing. nothing.
 Quoting: MissCleo


People have a choice whether to.procreate or not.


Those babies have no choice.

They are at their mother's mercy nowadays.

And the love of many has grown COLD.


Maybe time God shut down this show anyway.

I think it may be soon.

61 million dead babies in the US since Roe v. Wade.

Mercy, indeed!


But I will say no more because this topic makes me very emotional.
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I know exactly what you are saying Miss Cleo. I totally agree. A child that will be unwanted by everyone or will be forced to live a horrible life disfigured or on drugs just to survive is not a solution. But choosing when to abort should be. You don't abort close to full term. If it has to be done then the sooner the better.

We have the choice as women to give that child mercy. Either way. They should not take that away from us.

I have never had an abortion but this is what I believe. Mercy is an important issue and goes both ways.
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Same old debate: Abortion is birth control or women shouldn't get raped. Can we talk about Mercy instead of the typical abortion debate?

Mercy to those babies to be born without skin, or other organs, or in sever pain for their lives? Babies who aren't whole and perfect but who won't ever be able to be independent adults? Birth defects so dibilitating but haven't killed them because they are a part of the mother's body which is keeping them alive!

Mercy to those babies born into situations where they will never receive love. Unwanted babies conceived to addicts or sin. How will that baby suffer in life?

In China and India there are baby girls thrown away in garbage dumps because they are unwanted females who won't be able to support their families. Is this mercy from a life of prostitution and abuse?

What are your examples of mercy?
How do you express mercy?
Explain mercy...
 Quoting: MissCleo


...Babies who aren't whole and perfect...

The problem with this argument is, who gets to decide what is whole and perfect? Hitler strived for a perfect race. Not saying that is what you are advocating, but that is where the slippery slope can lead very quickly.
 Quoting: jt210


again, the topic is MERCY.

WE AREN'T DISCUSSING JUDGEMENT. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT MERCY.

CAN ANYONE TALK ABOUT MERCY???

UM. NO MISS CLEO, THEY CAN'T. THEY ARE INCAPABLE. SO STOP YELLING.
 Quoting: MissCleo


Stop yelling, dammit :)

I get what you are saying. But the problem is the slippery slope or the genie's out of the bottle kind of thing. Who is making the call on the MERCY? Who is drawing the line? You? Me? Some crazy dingbat in congress? And what if the pre-birth information is wrong?

Example.. A Friend of mine and his wife have 2 children. Both times, they tested for high probability of downs syndrome during the pregnancy. Fortunately, they did not listen to science. Both kids were born free of any defect. One is actually in Law School right now, the other is an honors student.
 Quoting: jt210


Mothers ALWAYS know if the baby has a defect. Just like I knew mine was a girl without any tests. Just part of pregnancy.

Who makes the call????
We all do, on our OWN personal virtue. Can we feel mercy and patience and compassion?
Can anyone tell you how to feel mercy, patience or compassion? No, it's your choice and your obligation to perfect vitrue.

God is the only judge.
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05/23/2019 04:09 PM

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Only about four percent if the time di abortions have anything to do with the health of the mother or the child.

It has become the default form of contraception for a culture of irresponsibility.

Just sad, imo.
 Quoting: Adytum


people don't have sex and say: "if we get pregnant we will abort". What happens is that people are attracted and don't ask up front if there is contraception involved... so it's lack of sexual communication (caught up in the heat of the moment and casual sex culture, yes).

Way more than 4% has to do with health because it's not pregnancy health, it's the mental health, emotional health, child's lifetime health which makes it more like 90%.

What's sad is that people aren't comfortable enough to communicate or know how. So why aren't we teaching them? Instead we want to tell them not to abort and that's after-the-fact. Protesting abortion does nothing. nothing.
 Quoting: MissCleo


People have a choice whether to.procreate or not.


Those babies have no choice.

They are at their mother's mercy nowadays.

And the love of many has grown COLD.


Maybe time God shut down this show anyway.

I think it may be soon.

61 million dead babies in the US since Roe v. Wade.

Mercy, indeed!


But I will say no more because this topic makes me very emotional.
 Quoting: Adytum


Sorry to tell you, most women do not have a choice. We are forced by parents out of guilt and obligation, we are coerced by society, we have children so some survive to adulthood. If women have a choice they will make a choice to abort in some cases because that's their choice... right?

Look at the numbers in population in India, Africa, China to prove that fact.

61 million dead babies since Roe v Wade. 100 million immigrants last week into EU. 100 million more the week before. Math.

Sex doesn't equal love. Procreation doesn't equal love. Procreation is a biological process, not emotional.

Again, try to describe your (your) actions of mercy, not others (because that's judgement).

thanks. love you!
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05/23/2019 04:19 PM
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Only about four percent if the time di abortions have anything to do with the health of the mother or the child.

It has become the default form of contraception for a culture of irresponsibility.

Just sad, imo.
 Quoting: Adytum


people don't have sex and say: "if we get pregnant we will abort". What happens is that people are attracted and don't ask up front if there is contraception involved... so it's lack of sexual communication (caught up in the heat of the moment and casual sex culture, yes).

Way more than 4% has to do with health because it's not pregnancy health, it's the mental health, emotional health, child's lifetime health which makes it more like 90%.

What's sad is that people aren't comfortable enough to communicate or know how. So why aren't we teaching them? Instead we want to tell them not to abort and that's after-the-fact. Protesting abortion does nothing. nothing.
 Quoting: MissCleo


People have a choice whether to.procreate or not.


Those babies have no choice.

They are at their mother's mercy nowadays.

And the love of many has grown COLD.


Maybe time God shut down this show anyway.

I think it may be soon.

61 million dead babies in the US since Roe v. Wade.

Mercy, indeed!


But I will say no more because this topic makes me very emotional.
 Quoting: Adytum


Sorry to tell you, most women do not have a choice. We are forced by parents out of guilt and obligation, we are coerced by society, we have children so some survive to adulthood. If women have a choice they will make a choice to abort in some cases because that's their choice... right?

Look at the numbers in population in India, Africa, China to prove that fact.

61 million dead babies since Roe v Wade. 100 million immigrants last week into EU. 100 million more the week before. Math.

Sex doesn't equal love. Procreation doesn't equal love. Procreation is a biological process, not emotional.

Again, try to describe your (your) actions of mercy, not others (because that's judgement).

thanks. love you!
 Quoting: MissCleo


I do not agree, but as I said, I will not respond.

I am not for making abortion illegal again, but I believe the vast majority of the time it is an immoral choice.

But I will no more change your mind than you will change mine.


It is God's place not mine to judge individuals, but I would counsel young women not to make this terrible choice if their life us not at stake and the child is not horribly deformed so as not to be viable.


I really have no more to say about the matter than that.

Lord, come quickly.
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05/23/2019 04:20 PM

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I know exactly what you are saying Miss Cleo. I totally agree. A child that will be unwanted by everyone or will be forced to live a horrible life disfigured or on drugs just to survive is not a solution. But choosing when to abort should be. You don't abort close to full term. If it has to be done then the sooner the better.

We have the choice as women to give that child mercy. Either way. They should not take that away from us.

I have never had an abortion but this is what I believe. Mercy is an important issue and goes both ways.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77394892


Thank you.
Yes. And not only painful lives of disfigurement and organ failure to die as a child or young adult but unwanted children who turn out to be homeless, drug addicts, alcoholics, pedos, abusers, suiciders, murderers, rapists, miserable people because not everyone is capable of being an attentive parent who wants them.

Further, more importantly, men kill (kill) women because they are pregnant. So a woman will abort if her life is in danger. Many are murdered first.

Of course we all wish that relationships are fruitful but that's NOT the norm anymore. Until then women must have a choice of abortion.

Where are all the pro-lifers concerned about education or instruction or relationship building? Absent. They just want to cry "murder" and they can't define mercy.
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05/23/2019 04:23 PM

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people don't have sex and say: "if we get pregnant we will abort". What happens is that people are attracted and don't ask up front if there is contraception involved... so it's lack of sexual communication (caught up in the heat of the moment and casual sex culture, yes).

Way more than 4% has to do with health because it's not pregnancy health, it's the mental health, emotional health, child's lifetime health which makes it more like 90%.

What's sad is that people aren't comfortable enough to communicate or know how. So why aren't we teaching them? Instead we want to tell them not to abort and that's after-the-fact. Protesting abortion does nothing. nothing.
 Quoting: MissCleo


People have a choice whether to.procreate or not.


Those babies have no choice.

They are at their mother's mercy nowadays.

And the love of many has grown COLD.


Maybe time God shut down this show anyway.

I think it may be soon.

61 million dead babies in the US since Roe v. Wade.

Mercy, indeed!


But I will say no more because this topic makes me very emotional.
 Quoting: Adytum


Sorry to tell you, most women do not have a choice. We are forced by parents out of guilt and obligation, we are coerced by society, we have children so some survive to adulthood. If women have a choice they will make a choice to abort in some cases because that's their choice... right?

Look at the numbers in population in India, Africa, China to prove that fact.

61 million dead babies since Roe v Wade. 100 million immigrants last week into EU. 100 million more the week before. Math.

Sex doesn't equal love. Procreation doesn't equal love. Procreation is a biological process, not emotional.

Again, try to describe your (your) actions of mercy, not others (because that's judgement).

thanks. love you!
 Quoting: MissCleo


I do not agree, but as I said, I will not respond.

I am not for making abortion illegal again, but I believe the vast majority of the time it is an immoral choice.

But I will no more change your mind than you will change mine.


It is God's place not mine to judge individuals, but I would counsel young women not to make this terrible choice if their life us not at stake and the child is not horribly deformed so as not to be viable.


I really have no more to say about the matter than that.

Lord, come quickly.
 Quoting: Adytum


Thank you.
I Understand.
Please continue to counsel young MEN and women on how to have healthy fruitful relationships that allow wanted children to be loved and nurtured. I do.

And I have mercy on those who don't have those healthy relationships.
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80% of people cannot understand higher concept.
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I also agree that we as women can feel what's going on with the child inside us. We know if something is very wrong. I did.

That's something a man would never understand.

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Now for a little story.

My grandmother died from an illegal abortion in 1938. She was 25.

It was still the years of the Great Depression, but they were farmers and had plenty of food and money. She had lost 4 babies to Scarlet Fever and her two daughter were happy kids. Her husband was having an affair, as many Railroad men did back then. A cat fight between the women caused some injury to my grandmother when she was pregnant. I'll never know the real circumstances but my mother and her sister ended up orphans. (because men will abandon children rather than take responsibility).

No one can ever know the circumstances surrounding a woman's decision to abort. But the fact is: if there is legal, clean, safe abortion facilities it is more likely that the woman will live. Unlike when women die from infection, complications and lack of support systems from illegal abortion.

The reason I am bringing up mercy (and virtue) is because the US may be coming up on another period similar to the Great Depression and World War. In that event there will be many woman choosing to abort to save kids from starvation, disease or other situations that will arise.

Situations like exposure to chemicals, biologicals, rape, extreme physical conditions, extreme poverty, no health care may happen. No time for protest, no time for judgement and accusations.

If we can't even understand mercy we will not survive what is going to happen here in the United States.

Please support Women's Rights for their preservation if you love and respect women. Care for women and defend them!
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I also agree that we as women can feel what's going on with the child inside us. We know if something is very wrong. I did.

That's something a man would never understand.

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True. And we are perfectly capable of making decisions too.
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Same old debate: Abortion is birth control or women shouldn't get raped. Can we talk about Mercy instead of the typical abortion debate?

Mercy to those babies to be born without skin, or other organs, or in sever pain for their lives? Babies who aren't whole and perfect but who won't ever be able to be independent adults? Birth defects so dibilitating but haven't killed them because they are a part of the mother's body which is keeping them alive!

Mercy to those babies born into situations where they will never receive love. Unwanted babies conceived to addicts or sin. How will that baby suffer in life?

In China and India there are baby girls thrown away in garbage dumps because they are unwanted females who won't be able to support their families. Is this mercy from a life of prostitution and abuse?

What are your examples of mercy?
How do you express mercy?
Explain mercy...
 Quoting: MissCleo


The people to blame here are the conductors
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Same old debate: Abortion is birth control or women shouldn't get raped. Can we talk about Mercy instead of the typical abortion debate?

Mercy to those babies to be born without skin, or other organs, or in sever pain for their lives? Babies who aren't whole and perfect but who won't ever be able to be independent adults? Birth defects so dibilitating but haven't killed them because they are a part of the mother's body which is keeping them alive!

Mercy to those babies born into situations where they will never receive love. Unwanted babies conceived to addicts or sin. How will that baby suffer in life?

In China and India there are baby girls thrown away in garbage dumps because they are unwanted females who won't be able to support their families. Is this mercy from a life of prostitution and abuse?

What are your examples of mercy?
How do you express mercy?
Explain mercy...
 Quoting: MissCleo


The people to blame here are the conductors
 Quoting: Miss cleo 4 lightshow 77676265


Not asking who to blame. Asking to define mercy. So far no one is capable.

Mercy is a virtue, which indicates that virtue isn't being practiced in today's society. Without virtue there is vice and crime.

Indicators of society falling is crime rates, which lead to unrest. Another indicator that war is looming. If was is looming and abortion is illegal than women will die faster, so genocide is also in play. Just a fact.
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Same old debate: Abortion is birth control or women shouldn't get raped. Can we talk about Mercy instead of the typical abortion debate?

Mercy to those babies to be born without skin, or other organs, or in sever pain for their lives? Babies who aren't whole and perfect but who won't ever be able to be independent adults? Birth defects so dibilitating but haven't killed them because they are a part of the mother's body which is keeping them alive!

Mercy to those babies born into situations where they will never receive love. Unwanted babies conceived to addicts or sin. How will that baby suffer in life?

In China and India there are baby girls thrown away in garbage dumps because they are unwanted females who won't be able to support their families. Is this mercy from a life of prostitution and abuse?

What are your examples of mercy?
How do you express mercy?
Explain mercy...
 Quoting: MissCleo


The people to blame here are the conductors
 Quoting: Miss cleo 4 lightshow 77676265


Not asking who to blame. Asking to define mercy. So far no one is capable.

Mercy is a virtue, which indicates that virtue isn't being practiced in today's society. Without virtue there is vice and crime.

Indicators of society falling is crime rates, which lead to unrest. Another indicator that war is looming. If was is looming and abortion is illegal than women will die faster, so genocide is also in play. Just a fact.
 Quoting: MissCleo


Ok miss cleo I do get where you are going with this, its very political though
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You cannot murder a 2 grams of blood cloth you dummkopf.
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Same old debate: Abortion is birth control or women shouldn't get raped. Can we talk about Mercy instead of the typical abortion debate?

Mercy to those babies to be born without skin, or other organs, or in sever pain for their lives? Babies who aren't whole and perfect but who won't ever be able to be independent adults? Birth defects so dibilitating but haven't killed them because they are a part of the mother's body which is keeping them alive!

Mercy to those babies born into situations where they will never receive love. Unwanted babies conceived to addicts or sin. How will that baby suffer in life?

In China and India there are baby girls thrown away in garbage dumps because they are unwanted females who won't be able to support their families. Is this mercy from a life of prostitution and abuse?

What are your examples of mercy?
How do you express mercy?
Explain mercy...
 Quoting: MissCleo


The people to blame here are the conductors
 Quoting: Miss cleo 4 lightshow 77676265


Not asking who to blame. Asking to define mercy. So far no one is capable.

Mercy is a virtue, which indicates that virtue isn't being practiced in today's society. Without virtue there is vice and crime.

Indicators of society falling is crime rates, which lead to unrest. Another indicator that war is looming. If was is looming and abortion is illegal than women will die faster, so genocide is also in play. Just a fact.
 Quoting: MissCleo


Ok miss cleo I do get where you are going with this, its very political though
 Quoting: Dr "thetrousers" lig 77676265


Abortion was always political.
The laws started when the English started fleeing to America (1492ish) but the King ruled over all the population in America, and thus for his subjects he refused abortion, at a time when 90% of the settlers were dying and England needed the numbers against the Spanish (explorers to Florida).
Then the Revolutionary War in 1776 happened, no more English rule and abortion was no big deal. Women were free and cared for.

Yes, political. And politicians will pull at heart strings and make it emotional with a bunch of parrot followers who know nothing about physiology, biology, animal husbandry, taxation, emotional health, or many other things.

Bottom line is that women die without the right to protect themselves from unwanted pregnancy. FACT. Women will abort legally or not legally, they will abort using coat hangers, tree roots, poison, beating themselves, or other means. Making abortion illegal will not stop abortion, never has.
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You cannot murder a 2 grams of blood cloth you dummkopf.
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This is true, but what about mercy?

Can no one explain mercy?

heh.





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