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More proof the military does not support Trump as commandos voice their disgust at Trump pardoning war criminals

 
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More proof the military does not support Trump as commandos voice their disgust at Trump pardoning war criminals
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President Donald Trump’s reported plan to pardon a series of accused and convicted war criminals on Memorial Day is not popular with retired special operations leaders attending a conference here.

“It’s not going to have a good effect on the force,” said a retired senior special operations officer. “People might see it as supporting the troops. It’s not supporting the troops. This will not go well.”


The New York Times reported May 18 that the White House was expediting the paperwork required to pardon individuals involved in a series of high-profile war crimes. Those mentioned include: Special Warfare Operator Chief Edward Gallagher, a Navy SEAL charged with shooting civilians and killing a prisoner; Maj. Mathew Golsteyn, a Special Forces officer accused of murdering an unarmed prisoner; and Nicholas Slatten, a former sergeant in the Army’s 82nd Airborne Division who was convicted of murder for his part in the killing of 14 Iraqis in Baghdad’s Nisour Square in 2007 while working as a security contractor for Blackwater.


Earlier this month, however, Trump pardoned Michael Behenna, who served five years in prison after being convicted of murdering a prisoner as a lieutenant in the Army’s 101st Airborne Division. That single pardon drew sharp public criticism from some former military personnel.

Now special operations veterans attending the Special Operations Forces Industry Conference are highly critical of Trump’s reported plan to pardon more convicted and accused war criminals.


“You’re sending a signal out there that we as a country don’t have the appropriate moral values to recognize right and wrong,” said retired Brig. Gen. Howard Yellen, a former deputy commander of U.S. Army Special Operations Command. The pardons would send a message “that you can go out there in the heat of battle, in the fog of war, and be able to commit a law of land warfare crime, and not receive any punitive actions for it, that you can act with impunity,” he said.


The retired senior special operations officer said the notion of pardoning someone accused of war crimes without even allowing the military justice system to play out would be “the most damaging” aspect of what Trump was reported to be planning
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Re: More proof the military does not support Trump as commandos voice their disgust at Trump pardoning war criminals
Tell me more about the cases of those pardoned.
What did they do more in detail?
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Is his view of the military as good as Obama's ?
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President Donald Trump’s reported plan to pardon a series of accused and convicted war criminals on Memorial Day is not popular with retired special operations leaders attending a conference here.

“It’s not going to have a good effect on the force,” said a retired senior special operations officer. “People might see it as supporting the troops. It’s not supporting the troops. This will not go well.”


The New York Times reported May 18 that the White House was expediting the paperwork required to pardon individuals involved in a series of high-profile war crimes. Those mentioned include: Special Warfare Operator Chief Edward Gallagher, a Navy SEAL charged with shooting civilians and killing a prisoner; Maj. Mathew Golsteyn, a Special Forces officer accused of murdering an unarmed prisoner; and Nicholas Slatten, a former sergeant in the Army’s 82nd Airborne Division who was convicted of murder for his part in the killing of 14 Iraqis in Baghdad’s Nisour Square in 2007 while working as a security contractor for Blackwater.


Earlier this month, however, Trump pardoned Michael Behenna, who served five years in prison after being convicted of murdering a prisoner as a lieutenant in the Army’s 101st Airborne Division. That single pardon drew sharp public criticism from some former military personnel.

Now special operations veterans attending the Special Operations Forces Industry Conference are highly critical of Trump’s reported plan to pardon more convicted and accused war criminals.


“You’re sending a signal out there that we as a country don’t have the appropriate moral values to recognize right and wrong,” said retired Brig. Gen. Howard Yellen, a former deputy commander of U.S. Army Special Operations Command. The pardons would send a message “that you can go out there in the heat of battle, in the fog of war, and be able to commit a law of land warfare crime, and not receive any punitive actions for it, that you can act with impunity,” he said.


The retired senior special operations officer said the notion of pardoning someone accused of war crimes without even allowing the military justice system to play out would be “the most damaging” aspect of what Trump was reported to be planning
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This all just goes along with the deep state push to privatize military. Once this has been realized there wont be any need for accountability and the elite will pay to play.

A privatley owned and controled military is a threat to Democracy and unconstitutional. By pardoning convicted war criminals they are telling contractors anything goes. Very scary precedent. This is going to have major repercussions.
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Tell me more about the cases of those pardoned.
What did they do more in detail?
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One of the ones he is looking to pardon is Gallagher.

His own war buddies said he went to far.
The wounded would be brought in and he would cut their throats so his own men would redirect the wounded elsewhere.

He would shoot at children and women, so to protect them, his own team would fire in the air to chase them away before he had a chance to kill them.

The guy is a sicko damaged from war or has a serial killer trait in him coming out.

I think he will have a short life in prison when they learn he is a baby killer.

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Tell me more about the cases of those pardoned.
What did they do more in detail?
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One of the ones he is looking to pardon is Gallagher.

His own war buddies said he went to far.
The wounded would be brought in and he would cut their throats so his own men would redirect the wounded elsewhere.

He would shoot at children and women, so to protect them, his own team would fire in the air to chase them away before he had a chance to kill them.

The guy is a sicko damaged from war or has a serial killer trait in him coming out.

I think he will have a short life in prison when they learn he is a baby killer.

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Yeah, why would you pardon someone like that. Sure its wartime but that is no excuse to murder children and civilians. WTF!
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President Donald Trump’s reported plan to pardon a series of accused and convicted war criminals on Memorial Day is not popular with retired special operations leaders attending a conference here.

“It’s not going to have a good effect on the force,” said a retired senior special operations officer. “People might see it as supporting the troops. It’s not supporting the troops. This will not go well.”


The New York Times reported May 18 that the White House was expediting the paperwork required to pardon individuals involved in a series of high-profile war crimes. Those mentioned include: Special Warfare Operator Chief Edward Gallagher, a Navy SEAL charged with shooting civilians and killing a prisoner; Maj. Mathew Golsteyn, a Special Forces officer accused of murdering an unarmed prisoner; and Nicholas Slatten, a former sergeant in the Army’s 82nd Airborne Division who was convicted of murder for his part in the killing of 14 Iraqis in Baghdad’s Nisour Square in 2007 while working as a security contractor for Blackwater.


Earlier this month, however, Trump pardoned Michael Behenna, who served five years in prison after being convicted of murdering a prisoner as a lieutenant in the Army’s 101st Airborne Division. That single pardon drew sharp public criticism from some former military personnel.

Now special operations veterans attending the Special Operations Forces Industry Conference are highly critical of Trump’s reported plan to pardon more convicted and accused war criminals.


“You’re sending a signal out there that we as a country don’t have the appropriate moral values to recognize right and wrong,” said retired Brig. Gen. Howard Yellen, a former deputy commander of U.S. Army Special Operations Command. The pardons would send a message “that you can go out there in the heat of battle, in the fog of war, and be able to commit a law of land warfare crime, and not receive any punitive actions for it, that you can act with impunity,” he said.


The retired senior special operations officer said the notion of pardoning someone accused of war crimes without even allowing the military justice system to play out would be “the most damaging” aspect of what Trump was reported to be planning
 Quoting: An Iraq war vet 4002761


This all just goes along with the deep state push to privatize military. Once this has been realized there wont be any need for accountability and the elite will pay to play.

A privatley owned and controled military is a threat to Democracy and unconstitutional. By pardoning convicted war criminals they are telling contractors anything goes. Very scary precedent. This is going to have major repercussions.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77678023


Yep
It just gets worse and worse.
The private sector will be accountable to noone and will hide everything they do while using our countries name.

No doubt, the tax payers will also still be on the hook to support them.
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President Donald Trump’s reported plan to pardon a series of accused and convicted war criminals on Memorial Day is not popular with retired special operations leaders attending a conference here.

“It’s not going to have a good effect on the force,” said a retired senior special operations officer. “People might see it as supporting the troops. It’s not supporting the troops. This will not go well.”


The New York Times reported May 18 that the White House was expediting the paperwork required to pardon individuals involved in a series of high-profile war crimes. Those mentioned include: Special Warfare Operator Chief Edward Gallagher, a Navy SEAL charged with shooting civilians and killing a prisoner; Maj. Mathew Golsteyn, a Special Forces officer accused of murdering an unarmed prisoner; and Nicholas Slatten, a former sergeant in the Army’s 82nd Airborne Division who was convicted of murder for his part in the killing of 14 Iraqis in Baghdad’s Nisour Square in 2007 while working as a security contractor for Blackwater.


Earlier this month, however, Trump pardoned Michael Behenna, who served five years in prison after being convicted of murdering a prisoner as a lieutenant in the Army’s 101st Airborne Division. That single pardon drew sharp public criticism from some former military personnel.

Now special operations veterans attending the Special Operations Forces Industry Conference are highly critical of Trump’s reported plan to pardon more convicted and accused war criminals.


“You’re sending a signal out there that we as a country don’t have the appropriate moral values to recognize right and wrong,” said retired Brig. Gen. Howard Yellen, a former deputy commander of U.S. Army Special Operations Command. The pardons would send a message “that you can go out there in the heat of battle, in the fog of war, and be able to commit a law of land warfare crime, and not receive any punitive actions for it, that you can act with impunity,” he said.


The retired senior special operations officer said the notion of pardoning someone accused of war crimes without even allowing the military justice system to play out would be “the most damaging” aspect of what Trump was reported to be planning
 Quoting: An Iraq war vet 4002761


This all just goes along with the deep state push to privatize military. Once this has been realized there wont be any need for accountability and the elite will pay to play.

A privatley owned and controled military is a threat to Democracy and unconstitutional. By pardoning convicted war criminals they are telling contractors anything goes. Very scary precedent. This is going to have major repercussions.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77678023


Yep
It just gets worse and worse.
The private sector will be accountable to noone and will hide everything they do while using our countries name.

No doubt, the tax payers will also still be on the hook to support them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77534636


Yes, its sickening. The founding fathers would be sick to thier stomachs.
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President Donald Trump’s reported plan to pardon a series of accused and convicted war criminals on Memorial Day is not popular with retired special operations leaders attending a conference here.

“It’s not going to have a good effect on the force,” said a retired senior special operations officer. “People might see it as supporting the troops. It’s not supporting the troops. This will not go well.”


The New York Times reported May 18 that the White House was expediting the paperwork required to pardon individuals involved in a series of high-profile war crimes. Those mentioned include: Special Warfare Operator Chief Edward Gallagher, a Navy SEAL charged with shooting civilians and killing a prisoner; Maj. Mathew Golsteyn, a Special Forces officer accused of murdering an unarmed prisoner; and Nicholas Slatten, a former sergeant in the Army’s 82nd Airborne Division who was convicted of murder for his part in the killing of 14 Iraqis in Baghdad’s Nisour Square in 2007 while working as a security contractor for Blackwater.


Earlier this month, however, Trump pardoned Michael Behenna, who served five years in prison after being convicted of murdering a prisoner as a lieutenant in the Army’s 101st Airborne Division. That single pardon drew sharp public criticism from some former military personnel.

Now special operations veterans attending the Special Operations Forces Industry Conference are highly critical of Trump’s reported plan to pardon more convicted and accused war criminals.


“You’re sending a signal out there that we as a country don’t have the appropriate moral values to recognize right and wrong,” said retired Brig. Gen. Howard Yellen, a former deputy commander of U.S. Army Special Operations Command. The pardons would send a message “that you can go out there in the heat of battle, in the fog of war, and be able to commit a law of land warfare crime, and not receive any punitive actions for it, that you can act with impunity,” he said.


The retired senior special operations officer said the notion of pardoning someone accused of war crimes without even allowing the military justice system to play out would be “the most damaging” aspect of what Trump was reported to be planning
 Quoting: An Iraq war vet 4002761


This all just goes along with the deep state push to privatize military. Once this has been realized there wont be any need for accountability and the elite will pay to play.

A privatley owned and controled military is a threat to Democracy and unconstitutional. By pardoning convicted war criminals they are telling contractors anything goes. Very scary precedent. This is going to have major repercussions.
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Exactly

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Consider the source...yahoo news. If Trump found a cure for cancer yahoo news would write an article about how all the oncologists were going to loose their jobs... Yahoo news is garbage
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more muslim propaganda
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Fundamentally I think the entire notion of "war crimes" is an oxymoron.
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Consider the source...yahoo news. If Trump found a cure for cancer yahoo news would write an article about how all the oncologists were going to loose their jobs... Yahoo news is garbage
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Well don't kill the messanger


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President Trump is considering potential pardons for military members and contractors accused of war crimes as Memorial Day approaches -- deliberations that have prompted warnings from critics that the move could undermine the rule of law but also raised the hopes of their families who say the servicemembers were wrongly prosecuted.

Jessica Slatten, in an interview Thursday, told Fox News she's praying for Trump to pardon her brother, Nicholas Slatten, one of several Blackwater contractors charged in the shooting deaths of Iraqi civilians in September 2007.