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This happened several months ago. I'm 60 years old. It was a "medical mistake" that was made during a very minor procedure and the doctor screwed up.

Perhaps the doctor thought he'd fixed the mistake, but something busted lose and I ended up back in an ER where they made a few more mistakes which resulted in my dying from exsanugination (blood loss). I lost "more than 40%" of my blood and my heart stopped.

I was resuscitated after more than 10 minutes with no vital signs. If you'd told me that I was in heaven for several HOURS, I would have believed you. I went to heaven and had a phenomenal experience however...

Heaven sent me back, and when I came back, I was healthier than ever. Several medically documented health problems were gone, to the astonishment of the doctors.

A spiritual being told me that I needed to come back, but didn't offer an explanation as to why. I loved what I saw "over there" and felt the most perfect peace you could ever imagine. I wasn't "nearly dead." I was completely dead, and my heart had stopped for 10+ minutes.

My kids are grown, I'm retired, and I'm not sure why or how I got saved when other people don't.

It's pretty confusing. I'm not sure what it is that I'm supposed to do with the rest of my life.

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Re: No Joke: I died and after 10 minutes with NO vitals, I was resuscitated.
This happened several months ago. I'm 60 years old. It was a "medical mistake" that was made during a very minor procedure and the doctor screwed up bigtime.

The doctor obviously made a big mistake and then sent me home. Perhaps he thought he'd fixed the mistake, but something busted lose and I ended up back in an ER where they made a few more mistakes which resulted in my dying from exsanugination (blood loss).

I was resuscitated after more than 10 minutes with no vital signs. I went to heaven and had a phenomenal experience however...

Heaven sent me back, and when I came back, I was healthier than ever. Several medically documented health problems were gone, to the astonishment of the doctors.

A spiritual being told me that I needed to come back, but didn't offer an explanation as to why. I loved what I saw "over there" and felt the most perfect peace you could ever imagine. I wasn't "nearly dead." I was completely dead, and my heart had stopped for 10+ minutes.

My kids are grown, I'm retired, and I'm not sure why or how I got saved when other people don't.

It's pretty confusing. I'm not sure what it is that I'm supposed to do with the rest of my life.
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Always do the next right thing. I try to do that, but I fail a LOT.
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This happened several months ago. I'm 60 years old. It was a "medical mistake" that was made during a very minor procedure and the doctor screwed up.

Perhaps the doctor thought he'd fixed the mistake, but something busted lose and I ended up back in an ER where they made a few more mistakes which resulted in my dying from exsanugination (blood loss). I lost "more than 40%" of my blood and my heart stopped.

I was resuscitated after more than 10 minutes with no vital signs. If you'd told me that I was in heaven for several HOURS, I would have believed you. I went to heaven and had a phenomenal experience however...

Heaven sent me back, and when I came back, I was healthier than ever. Several medically documented health problems were gone, to the astonishment of the doctors.

A spiritual being told me that I needed to come back, but didn't offer an explanation as to why. I loved what I saw "over there" and felt the most perfect peace you could ever imagine. I wasn't "nearly dead." I was completely dead, and my heart had stopped for 10+ minutes.

My kids are grown, I'm retired, and I'm not sure why or how I got saved when other people don't.

It's pretty confusing. I'm not sure what it is that I'm supposed to do with the rest of my life.
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Just keep doing what you were doing before all of this happend. It clearly was or os good since "they" send you back.

Great to have you arround ;)
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So...what was heaven like?
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This happened several months ago. I'm 60 years old. It was a "medical mistake" that was made during a very minor procedure and the doctor screwed up.

Perhaps the doctor thought he'd fixed the mistake, but something busted lose and I ended up back in an ER where they made a few more mistakes which resulted in my dying from exsanugination (blood loss). I lost "more than 40%" of my blood and my heart stopped.

I was resuscitated after more than 10 minutes with no vital signs. If you'd told me that I was in heaven for several HOURS, I would have believed you. I went to heaven and had a phenomenal experience however...

Heaven sent me back, and when I came back, I was healthier than ever. Several medically documented health problems were gone, to the astonishment of the doctors.

A spiritual being told me that I needed to come back, but didn't offer an explanation as to why. I loved what I saw "over there" and felt the most perfect peace you could ever imagine. I wasn't "nearly dead." I was completely dead, and my heart had stopped for 10+ minutes.

My kids are grown, I'm retired, and I'm not sure why or how I got saved when other people don't.

It's pretty confusing. I'm not sure what it is that I'm supposed to do with the rest of my life.
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OP,

Good to hear you are back with us. Whatever you do, do not tell us what it was like over on the other side, because thats what folks came to this thread to hear about. Just keep them in suspense and tell them nothing ..... lol
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This happened several months ago. I'm 60 years old. It was a "medical mistake" that was made during a very minor procedure and the doctor screwed up.

Perhaps the doctor thought he'd fixed the mistake, but something busted lose and I ended up back in an ER where they made a few more mistakes which resulted in my dying from exsanugination (blood loss). I lost "more than 40%" of my blood and my heart stopped.

I was resuscitated after more than 10 minutes with no vital signs. If you'd told me that I was in heaven for several HOURS, I would have believed you. I went to heaven and had a phenomenal experience however...

Heaven sent me back, and when I came back, I was healthier than ever. Several medically documented health problems were gone, to the astonishment of the doctors.

A spiritual being told me that I needed to come back, but didn't offer an explanation as to why. I loved what I saw "over there" and felt the most perfect peace you could ever imagine. I wasn't "nearly dead." I was completely dead, and my heart had stopped for 10+ minutes.

My kids are grown, I'm retired, and I'm not sure why or how I got saved when other people don't.

It's pretty confusing. I'm not sure what it is that I'm supposed to do with the rest of my life.
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OP,

Good to hear you are back with us. Whatever you do, do not tell us what it was like over on the other side, because thats what folks came to this thread to hear about. Just keep them in suspense and tell them nothing ..... lol
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Ever wonder if maybe the afterlife is more subjective than objective? If so, his experience could be completely different than what I'll experience when I die.
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Zac Poonen. Find him online. This is from God.
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That is very interesting
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This happened several months ago. I'm 60 years old. It was a "medical mistake" that was made during a very minor procedure and the doctor screwed up.

Perhaps the doctor thought he'd fixed the mistake, but something busted lose and I ended up back in an ER where they made a few more mistakes which resulted in my dying from exsanugination (blood loss). I lost "more than 40%" of my blood and my heart stopped.

I was resuscitated after more than 10 minutes with no vital signs. If you'd told me that I was in heaven for several HOURS, I would have believed you. I went to heaven and had a phenomenal experience however...

Heaven sent me back, and when I came back, I was healthier than ever. Several medically documented health problems were gone, to the astonishment of the doctors.

A spiritual being told me that I needed to come back, but didn't offer an explanation as to why. I loved what I saw "over there" and felt the most perfect peace you could ever imagine. I wasn't "nearly dead." I was completely dead, and my heart had stopped for 10+ minutes.

My kids are grown, I'm retired, and I'm not sure why or how I got saved when other people don't.

It's pretty confusing. I'm not sure what it is that I'm supposed to do with the rest of my life.
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OP,

Good to hear you are back with us. Whatever you do, do not tell us what it was like over on the other side, because thats what folks came to this thread to hear about. Just keep them in suspense and tell them nothing ..... lol
 Quoting: Lupe_Ate_My_Taco's


Ever wonder if maybe the afterlife is more subjective than objective? If so, his experience could be completely different than what I'll experience when I die.
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Researches have said this yes. It depends alot also on culture and religion.
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What you saw was your nerves and brain cells doing things no such thing as heaven
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OP,

Good to hear you are back with us. Whatever you do, do not tell us what it was like over on the other side, because thats what folks came to this thread to hear about. Just keep them in suspense and tell them nothing ..... lol
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I was waiting to see if it was safe to post here...LOL.

It was the most perfect peace you can imagine times a million. I was unconscious at the moment of my passing but I awakened - with a start - when I died. The first thing I heard myself say was, "My heart has stopped. The medical staff failed to save me."

It was kind of a surprise to hear myself talk because I knew that I had died.

I floated for some time and then was taken into a brilliantly lit white room, and it was in the white room that I was told that I had to go back. I wasn't happy about this. I felt such peace and I never wanted that peace to end.

But I was told that I must return.

My husband killed himself three years ago, and I was really lost. I had been miserable and I was GLAD that this hard life was over. I was told that when I came back, my life would get much better - and it has - but there are still some hard days. More than anything, I'm not sure what I'm doing here.

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Thank you for sharing your story with us OP. I often wonder the point of it all too but I like what Acs said here about keep doing what you've been doing if we're not sure.
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This is a great story! Thank you for sharing.

The one commonality among all stories like yours is the incredible peace felt after dying.

Even if you don't know why you are here, at least you know that it serves a purpose, or else you wouldn't be here.
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This happened several months ago. I'm 60 years old. It was a "medical mistake" that was made during a very minor procedure and the doctor screwed up bigtime.

The doctor obviously made a big mistake and then sent me home. Perhaps he thought he'd fixed the mistake, but something busted lose and I ended up back in an ER where they made a few more mistakes which resulted in my dying from exsanugination (blood loss).

I was resuscitated after more than 10 minutes with no vital signs. I went to heaven and had a phenomenal experience however...

Heaven sent me back, and when I came back, I was healthier than ever. Several medically documented health problems were gone, to the astonishment of the doctors.

A spiritual being told me that I needed to come back, but didn't offer an explanation as to why. I loved what I saw "over there" and felt the most perfect peace you could ever imagine. I wasn't "nearly dead." I was completely dead, and my heart had stopped for 10+ minutes.

My kids are grown, I'm retired, and I'm not sure why or how I got saved when other people don't.

It's pretty confusing. I'm not sure what it is that I'm supposed to do with the rest of my life.
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Always do the next right thing. I try to do that, but I fail a LOT.
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I've been saying that for years... that exactly.

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This happened several months ago. I'm 60 years old. It was a "medical mistake" that was made during a very minor procedure and the doctor screwed up bigtime.

The doctor obviously made a big mistake and then sent me home. Perhaps he thought he'd fixed the mistake, but something busted lose and I ended up back in an ER where they made a few more mistakes which resulted in my dying from exsanugination (blood loss).

I was resuscitated after more than 10 minutes with no vital signs. I went to heaven and had a phenomenal experience however...

Heaven sent me back, and when I came back, I was healthier than ever. Several medically documented health problems were gone, to the astonishment of the doctors.

A spiritual being told me that I needed to come back, but didn't offer an explanation as to why. I loved what I saw "over there" and felt the most perfect peace you could ever imagine. I wasn't "nearly dead." I was completely dead, and my heart had stopped for 10+ minutes.

My kids are grown, I'm retired, and I'm not sure why or how I got saved when other people don't.

It's pretty confusing. I'm not sure what it is that I'm supposed to do with the rest of my life.
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Always do the next right thing. I try to do that, but I fail a LOT.
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I've been saying that for years... that exactly.

If I have a motto, that's it.
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That is amazing, what was it like? What did you see/ experience?
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This happened several months ago. I'm 60 years old. It was a "medical mistake" that was made during a very minor procedure and the doctor screwed up.

Perhaps the doctor thought he'd fixed the mistake, but something busted lose and I ended up back in an ER where they made a few more mistakes which resulted in my dying from exsanugination (blood loss). I lost "more than 40%" of my blood and my heart stopped.

I was resuscitated after more than 10 minutes with no vital signs. If you'd told me that I was in heaven for several HOURS, I would have believed you. I went to heaven and had a phenomenal experience however...

Heaven sent me back, and when I came back, I was healthier than ever. Several medically documented health problems were gone, to the astonishment of the doctors.

A spiritual being told me that I needed to come back, but didn't offer an explanation as to why. I loved what I saw "over there" and felt the most perfect peace you could ever imagine. I wasn't "nearly dead." I was completely dead, and my heart had stopped for 10+ minutes.

My kids are grown, I'm retired, and I'm not sure why or how I got saved when other people don't.

It's pretty confusing. I'm not sure what it is that I'm supposed to do with the rest of my life.
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This is the first step of whatever the reason for coming back was. Thanks for posting.
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What you saw was your nerves and brain cells doing things no such thing as heaven
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God gave you a brain to think.

So, THINK.


If YOU are using YOUR brain to think, then YOU and YOUR body are 2 separate things.


YOU are not YOUR body.
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What you saw was your nerves and brain cells doing things no such thing as heaven
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God gave you a brain to think.

So, THINK.


If YOU are using YOUR brain to think, then YOU and YOUR body are 2 separate things.


YOU are not YOUR body.
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clappa
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So would you say you now have absolutely no fear of dying?
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Energy = Consciousness


Energy cannot be created nor destroyed. THINK!
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Trust me on this one. Do NOT become a organ donor...
And if you do think about it. keep stories like this in mind, but not only that..ask people that actually work with organ donors if they are donors and also read up on the procedures.
and dont forget... organs are only useful from non-dead people...
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This happened several months ago. I'm 60 years old. It was a "medical mistake" that was made during a very minor procedure and the doctor screwed up.

Perhaps the doctor thought he'd fixed the mistake, but something busted lose and I ended up back in an ER where they made a few more mistakes which resulted in my dying from exsanugination (blood loss). I lost "more than 40%" of my blood and my heart stopped.

I was resuscitated after more than 10 minutes with no vital signs. If you'd told me that I was in heaven for several HOURS, I would have believed you. I went to heaven and had a phenomenal experience however...

Heaven sent me back, and when I came back, I was healthier than ever. Several medically documented health problems were gone, to the astonishment of the doctors.

A spiritual being told me that I needed to come back, but didn't offer an explanation as to why. I loved what I saw "over there" and felt the most perfect peace you could ever imagine. I wasn't "nearly dead." I was completely dead, and my heart had stopped for 10+ minutes.

My kids are grown, I'm retired, and I'm not sure why or how I got saved when other people don't.

It's pretty confusing. I'm not sure what it is that I'm supposed to do with the rest of my life.
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You need to read Dr. Brian Weiss books. It explains a LOT!
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This happened several months ago. I'm 60 years old. It was a "medical mistake" that was made during a very minor procedure and the doctor screwed up.

Perhaps the doctor thought he'd fixed the mistake, but something busted lose and I ended up back in an ER where they made a few more mistakes which resulted in my dying from exsanugination (blood loss). I lost "more than 40%" of my blood and my heart stopped.

I was resuscitated after more than 10 minutes with no vital signs. If you'd told me that I was in heaven for several HOURS, I would have believed you. I went to heaven and had a phenomenal experience however...

Heaven sent me back, and when I came back, I was healthier than ever. Several medically documented health problems were gone, to the astonishment of the doctors.

A spiritual being told me that I needed to come back, but didn't offer an explanation as to why. I loved what I saw "over there" and felt the most perfect peace you could ever imagine. I wasn't "nearly dead." I was completely dead, and my heart had stopped for 10+ minutes.

My kids are grown, I'm retired, and I'm not sure why or how I got saved when other people don't.

It's pretty confusing. I'm not sure what it is that I'm supposed to do with the rest of my life.
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you were probably sent back to make this post so that I would see it. That's just my perspective.
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Energy = Consciousness


Energy cannot be created nor destroyed. THINK!
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Exactly. Consciousness is not your brain or body. Consciousness is transcendent. The mins and body are you to experience one perspective of existence. We are so much more.
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I hope this is my experience.

I think it is going to hurt.
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This happened several months ago. I'm 60 years old. It was a "medical mistake" that was made during a very minor procedure and the doctor screwed up.

Perhaps the doctor thought he'd fixed the mistake, but something busted lose and I ended up back in an ER where they made a few more mistakes which resulted in my dying from exsanugination (blood loss). I lost "more than 40%" of my blood and my heart stopped.

I was resuscitated after more than 10 minutes with no vital signs. If you'd told me that I was in heaven for several HOURS, I would have believed you. I went to heaven and had a phenomenal experience however...

Heaven sent me back, and when I came back, I was healthier than ever. Several medically documented health problems were gone, to the astonishment of the doctors.

A spiritual being told me that I needed to come back, but didn't offer an explanation as to why. I loved what I saw "over there" and felt the most perfect peace you could ever imagine. I wasn't "nearly dead." I was completely dead, and my heart had stopped for 10+ minutes.

My kids are grown, I'm retired, and I'm not sure why or how I got saved when other people don't.

It's pretty confusing. I'm not sure what it is that I'm supposed to do with the rest of my life.
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It's pretty confusing. I'm not sure what it is that I'm supposed to do with the rest of my life.

That's the $64,000 question, isn't it? How did your life review go?
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This happened several months ago. I'm 60 years old. It was a "medical mistake" that was made during a very minor procedure and the doctor screwed up.

Perhaps the doctor thought he'd fixed the mistake, but something busted lose and I ended up back in an ER where they made a few more mistakes which resulted in my dying from exsanugination (blood loss). I lost "more than 40%" of my blood and my heart stopped.

I was resuscitated after more than 10 minutes with no vital signs. If you'd told me that I was in heaven for several HOURS, I would have believed you. I went to heaven and had a phenomenal experience however...

Heaven sent me back, and when I came back, I was healthier than ever. Several medically documented health problems were gone, to the astonishment of the doctors.

A spiritual being told me that I needed to come back, but didn't offer an explanation as to why. I loved what I saw "over there" and felt the most perfect peace you could ever imagine. I wasn't "nearly dead." I was completely dead, and my heart had stopped for 10+ minutes.

My kids are grown, I'm retired, and I'm not sure why or how I got saved when other people don't.

It's pretty confusing. I'm not sure what it is that I'm supposed to do with the rest of my life.
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Live
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Well congrats! You hit the lottery 3 times.

1. Went to heaven

2. Got resuscitated

3. Have a hell of a lawsuit against the physician!

Man, you're a winner!
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Dead people don't walk and talk. You didn't die at all. Being unconscious is not being dead.
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What you saw was your nerves and brain cells doing things no such thing as heaven
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God gave you a brain to think.

So, THINK.


If YOU are using YOUR brain to think, then YOU and YOUR body are 2 separate things.


YOU are not YOUR body.
 Quoting: Petrus


God didn't give fuck all

My Mother and Father gave me

anyway fuck what you think you sound like one of those LGBT fucks

The DNA of the cell tissue will always be either XX or XY regardless of what you cut off, drugs you take, think, hope, wish, want, sew on, new holes you cut in yourself.
No matter what the doctor prescribes the child, there will be only superficial changes. No lab-made hormone will truly change the chromosomal makeup within the body of that child. The mind and body are two different things. The mind may think it is the opposite sex, but the body is the reality. One cannot change reality at its core.



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libs can't stand that gender dysphoria is a mental illness and not something to be celebrated.

But you're not "changing" yourself. Your chromosomes are immutable and unalterable. The only change is in your mirror and your poor, deluded head.

Males are XY and Females are XX and no surgery or hormones can change that BIOLOGICAL Fact. Democrats are Anti-Science.





GLP