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Ebola warning US - Update: now believed to be airborne - heads up!!!!!

 
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Oh boy. So many don't want to be upset by facts, and here they are. Thank you for this!
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Bodily fluids are everywhere.

I paint, and I get paint on my hands all the time. I think I am being careful not to get paint anywhere else, then I look in the mirror and see paint on my face, in my hair, and on my glasses where I push them up all the time without thinking. There is paint on my clothes. If that paint was a virus like ebola, I'd be dead, along with most of the people around me who have been gifted paintings or buy paintings.

Infection protocols are very difficult to maintain. Not knowing for certain what sort of mask is correct, or what sort of gloves, or what sort of chemicals, or how to clean up before entering the home .... This is all too much for average people to integrate into their daily lives.

After Hurricane Katrina, everyone in this area knew those flooded homes were full of mold, mildew, toxic chemicals that leaked from appliances or came in with the flood water. Some people wore masks, some wore full-on hazmat suits to clean out their homes. A lot of people said, oh it's just water, or just use some bleach, the black mold is only on the surface of things. The mold was inside walls, under the floorboards, everywhere. A lot of people developed the Katrina Cough. A lot of people got sick.

I'm rambling now. I guess my point is that by the time an official guideline is handed down, it will be too late.
 Quoting: Gemini Rising


Gemini Rising, you made wonderful points that I wish every newcomer to this thread would read! Your paint analogy is perfect! We can be so, so very careful, just like you with the paint, but we don't notice our habitual gestures, which would be deadly with ebola.

Your description of "normalcy bias" after the hurricane and flooding also demonstrates an excellent point. Putting myself in that position as I read your post, I would probably have been another one with the normalcy bias. "It's my house, I know what's in there. Nothing in there is going to hurt me - it's just water." That really is probably my thought process, so I get it. We have got to get out of our normalcy biases in today's world.

I wish everybody in the United States could read your post - truly I do. You have explained everything in few words, that we all need to know. Bless you for this!
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Ebola is not Airborne it is a bodily fluid disease so it is very easily preventable
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Sorry, but you are mistaken. Ebola mutates super fast, and there's been proof found that it can be both airborne, and spread by bodily fluids. Scientists have done experiments with monkeys and came to the conclusion that it was spread through the airborne route. The virus will move into a person's lungs and set up shop there replicating itself. So, if someone with the virus starts coughing or sneezing you certainly can catch it from them by breathing in tiny water particles containing the virus from several feet away.
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Exactly! Thank you!
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the seal of the mask is critical. i bolded the section that i take to mean the effectivenesss of the mask in practical everyday use. just wrinkling your face will change the seal of this mask. it has to sit tight against uyour skin all the way around the mask since everyone is shaped slightly different, there is no way to make a rigid mask that works for everyone 100%. you have better odds with a rubber mask.

for those medical ppl who are dealing with infected,they should be in full suits. saves $$ without and tries to give the impression that the disease is under control.that impression probably matters more in Africa.it also matters for them to keep workers or nurses. make the feel safe or they might get smart and quit. last thing they need is for a drop to get on their arm and then after they remove the gloves,transfer it to their faces.

what the mask does in a perfect lab test is not how they will act in a real world test. as POKA says the best way is to fully avoid being near the disease.

full suits would have some uses 1 is after the disease burns out to do any cleanup.there will be dead bodies. there will also be lots of supplies that can be scavenged and used.family and friends who show up can be isolated for 30 days and then put to work helping to grow food,rebuild society,defense,etc. when you deal with them a suit would protect you and allow you to stand outside and talk with them.
 Quoting: JAZZz50


I've tried the "duck-bill" masks and they do not seal around the face, at least in my trials. That seal is critical, as you have said.

I believe clean-up will be done by those involved in martial law or by National Guard, or by people hired for the purpose, unless so many have died that there is thought to be no reason to bother with clean-up except around DC and the mansions of politicians.

To nurse a family member all protocols must be in place - as you said - full body protection, as well as the ways to seal off the room holding the patient.

This is going to be a mess whichever way it falls out. We can only pray against it happening, pray against the epidemic, pray against any possible plan to decimate the population, and protect ourselves with the best planning and equipment we can manage.

Thank you very much for your post!

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Interesting thread, thanks for the great information! This news about measles is concerning to me, especially in lieu of the increased occurrence of measles they've been hyping in the US's MSM (Coincidence? Hmm... dont recall hearing about spontaneous measles outbreaks in Congo...)

I've never had the measles, but I remember that years ago, it was regarded about the same as chicken pox. Not fun, to be sure, but not a great epidemic capable of mass fatalities, the way they seem to tout it today.

87,000 measles cases seems pretty crazy. I hope they aren't bioengineering some Ebola-measles hybrid. If they've introduced the measles virus, through any number of vectors, in hopes of it combining with or causing mutations in the Ebola virus, this would be very concerning.
 Quoting: WonderlandAlice


To suddenly have 87,000 cases of measles beggars one's beliefs! I would say it is impossible, based on my own knowledge which would not cover the country, the circumstances, etc. Still, is that really possible? To spontaneously and suddenly have such an epidemic? Ebola in incredibly contagious - why would there be more measles than ebola? Very curious indeed.

Thank you for your post.
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Someone mentioned earlier the possibility of an ebola/measles hybrid. This could happen in theory, with the supposed measles and ebola outbreak in the Congo area going on at the same time.

Two different viruses can inhabit the same cell, this could result in a new virus made up of the parts of the other two. They say this only occurs rarely though. But with both diseases happening at the same time, and ebola's ability to mutate quickly, it would make for the ideal breeding ground for this to happen.

Also, from what I know of measles it wasn't an especially fatal disease. Not many people died from it. I heard they used to have measle parties, where everyone would bring their kids to get exposed, so they'd get it over with. Now they are saying large numbers of African people are dying from it? Perhaps they are actually dying from ebola, and they're reporting it to be measles. That's where the measles being code for ebola would come in. Either way you look at it, this is getting spooky.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77100776


Yes, it certainly is!

People in NY are having measles parties, or were recently, and it's a very reasonable thing to do. I had both kinds of measles as a child and came through without difficulty. It's not a serious illness for most of us. Pregnant women must avoid one type, I believe the one formerly called "German measles" but other than that - it's all highly suspect, isn't it?
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FYI - Ebola Virus Patented by US Government in October 2009: “Invention Related to Novel Species of Human Ebola (hEbola) virus”

The U.S. Patent and Trademark Office has a patent for, Genetically Engineered Swine Influenza Virus and Uses Thereof (patent #8124101). It was filed in 2005 for approval.

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Yes, the US patented one variant of ebola. Curious, isn't it?
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I have read that they vaccinated over 125,000 in Africa for Ebola. Just wondering how that is working out? 87,000 with “measles”—- 125,000 vaccinated for Ebola. I’ll try to find link, but I remember reading it on a recent glp link.
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I have read that they vaccinated over 125,000 in Africa for Ebola. Just wondering how that is working out? 87,000 with “measles”—- 125,000 vaccinated for Ebola. I’ll try to find link, but I remember reading it on a recent glp link.
 Quoting: Light Bulb


Found an article from New York Times, May 8, 2019, that says the WHO vaccinated 111,000 with Ebola vaccine, but since it is NYT, a subscription is required.

[link to www.nytimes.com (secure)]
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Link to WHO Ebola vaccine clinical trials in China and Africa... scroll down on page and it gives where and which type of Ebola vaccination

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It is interesting that this WHO link regarding Ebola was last updated in 2015!!!

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Link to WHO Ebola vaccine clinical trials in China and Africa... scroll down on page and it gives where and which type of Ebola vaccination

[link to www.who.int (secure)]
 Quoting: Light Bulb


Thank you for chasing this down for us!
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Did you see that the WHO link has not been up dated since 2015?! What’s up with that? Something as important as this should surely warrant current status.
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Did you see that the WHO link has not been up dated since 2015?! What’s up with that? Something as important as this should surely warrant current status.
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It's really interesting to see that so much information on line still involves only the 2014 epidemic and those previous. Yes, one would think people would be right on top of information and statistics applicable to the current epidemic. I find it hard to believe that nobody has the time to update - so one has to think it may be deliberate, and then to consider why that might be. I have no answers, but my questions continue to stack up.
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I SENT ANTYDUM A MSG. TO COME OVER HERE...MYEXTENDED THEORY IS THAT THE GULF WILL FIRE UP AGAIN...SHOON..AND THIS 'EVENT' IS NOT SLOWING DOWN...SO, I SAY THE NEXT POINT IN TIME WHERE THEY BOTH PEAK..IS....AROUND THE 4TH OF JULY...BEST TIME TO GET EVERYONE ALL 'TOGETHER'..ON 'OUR' HOLIDAY...IN A PROJECT FOR A NEW AMER. CENTURY SORT O WAY...AND IM NOT SAYING THAT I SUPPORT IT..BUT THAT IT WOULD AND COULD BE BEST TIME TO DO THEM TOGETHER...
 Quoting: UH 76372983


Oh dear. UH, you make a great point! Our enemies do like to ruin our national holidays if possible!

I don't think ebola epidemic can be planned for a date, though it could erupt around then. Problem is, it could have already erupted in some areas, but that is hidden from us to prevent panic. Could be it will be announced after the Fourth - hard to say.

I expect the ME to pop off any time - it's getting hotter and hotter with rhetoric and attack sorties. The Fourth is a good possibility for all-out attempts, though it seems they are trying to force, literally force, the US to be the aggressor. All so unfortunate, but they are determined to take down both little and big satans, meaning Israel and the US, and turn us all into muslims or kill u s - what a crazy belief system and plan!

Adytum is terrific at what he does - I like that gentleman very much. Hope he does choose to come here and post, but he is very busy with several threads running, watching all the communications with our war planes, and posting new threads every day.

Adytum, if you are here, welcome! Please know this information is for you as well, the whole thread.

UH, I have "talked" with Adytum via PM and he knows what kind of masks he needs, etc.

Now, UH, have you bought yours?
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..A GOOD POINT TO REBUMP THESE P.14 NOTES...ANY NEW UPDATES...

HOPE ALL IS WELL FOR NOW...AND DONT WORRY I JUST PLAN ON BEIN' MUFF DEEP IN SOME NICE CHICK ALL WILL B WELL BECAUSE....UH, THE FUTURE IS FEMALE..?....UH.?..
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..A GOOD POINT TO REBUMP THESE P.14 NOTES...ANY NEW UPDATES...

HOPE ALL IS WELL FOR NOW...AND DONT WORRY ALL WILL B WELL BECAUSE....UH, THE FUTURE IS FEMALE..?....UH.?..
 Quoting: UH 76380850


Happy Sunday, UH. I edited your post because, well, let's keep it clean in here, okay? Please edit your own original post to match this one.

Glad you are bumping and staying informed. I am now going to recommend having either N100 or P100 masks, for extra protection.
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You are very welcome, Pooka. Thanks for all that you do.

This is just Background information on Ebola prevention and the World Health Organization Department of the United Nations created in 1948 —funding from an article by the Kaiser Foundation. Article lists history of US involvement in Ebola research and Ebola Czar appointed by Obama.

But it is a report from 2018, that gives a little more history of Ebola, Rather than the WHO website of 2015.

[link to www.kff.org (secure)]


The bottom link was originally posted Jan. 2019, but was updated May , 2019.

[link to www.kff.org (secure)]

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You are very welcome, Pooka. Thanks for all that you do.

This is just Background information on Ebola prevention and the World Health Organization Department of the United Nations created in 1948 —funding from an article by the Kaiser Foundation. Article lists history of US involvement in Ebola research and Ebola Czar appointed by Obama.

But it is a report from 2018, that gives a little more history of Ebola, Rather than the WHO website of 2015.

[link to www.kff.org (secure)]


The bottom link was originally posted Jan. 2019, but was updated May , 2019.

[link to www.kff.org (secure)]
 Quoting: Light Bulb


Thank you again! The more informed we are, the better protected we can be.
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Kenya on alert over suspected ebola case in Kericho



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Oh dear - yet people don't understand it's here. They don't understand people travel, every day, in and out of every country.

This epidemic is going wider than any previous, and can only keep growing and going further - there is no containment possible.

Each infected person closely interacts with so many others, and the trail becomes so large it cannot be fully followed.

Thank you for this. Have a resource?
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Oh dear - yet people don't understand it's here. They don't understand people travel, every day, in and out of every country.

This epidemic is going wider than any previous, and can only keep growing and going further - there is no containment possible.

Each infected person closely interacts with so many others, and the trail becomes so large it cannot be fully followed.

Thank you for this. Have a resource?
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"...A Kenyan official says health experts are investigating a hospital patient who has Ebola-like symptoms...Kenyan media report she had visited her spouse at the Kenyan-Ugandan border..."

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supposedly lab results come back tomorrow
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Just checking in for updates...my goodness I have lots to read after a two day break!!

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..A GOOD POINT TO REBUMP THESE P.14 NOTES...ANY NEW UPDATES...

HOPE ALL IS WELL FOR NOW...AND DONT WORRY ALL WILL B WELL BECAUSE....UH, THE FUTURE IS FEMALE..?....UH.?..
 Quoting: UH 76380850


Happy Sunday, UH. I edited your post because, well, let's keep it clean in here, okay? Please edit your own original post to match this one.

Glad you are bumping and staying informed. I am now going to recommend having either N100 or P100 masks, for extra protection.
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BY ALL MEANS...YOU HAVE THE 'EDITORIAL PEROGATIVE' OF YOUR THREAD...I JUST HAVE TO SAY MY THOUGHTS AND WORDS AT LEAST ONCE...FOR FREEDOM AND 1ST AMENDMENT...AFTER THAT...IT BECOMES A DAVID BYRNE LINE....."SAY SOMETHING ONCE...WHY SAY IT AGAIN...?...."
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After reading an article today on drudge, really getting concerned (africans coming across the border with rolls of 100 dollar bills - and I tried posting the article here, but wasn't allowed to, for some reason). The article is on the american mirror.

Pooka, I asked this on another thread, but will ask here. Are you already wearing the nitrile gloves, masks, and goggles out in public right now? And if you are, like when you go to a grocery store, how to other people react (like fear, complacent acceptance, anger, rudeness, totally ignoring it, etc)?

I'm just wondering at what point you feel the need to wear these protective items, and if so, does it produce local panic in the community, or whatever it does...

Thank you.
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After reading an article today on drudge, really getting concerned (africans coming across the border with rolls of 100 dollar bills - and I tried posting the article here, but wasn't allowed to, for some reason). The article is on the american mirror.

Pooka, I asked this on another thread, but will ask here. Are you already wearing the nitrile gloves, masks, and goggles out in public right now? And if you are, like when you go to a grocery store, how to other people react (like fear, complacent acceptance, anger, rudeness, totally ignoring it, etc)?

I'm just wondering at what point you feel the need to wear these protective items, and if so, does it produce local panic in the community, or whatever it does...

Thank you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77707294


After 6 months of numerous visits to cancer treatment centers here in Chicongo its commonplace for patients/family to come and go with masks on due to their chemo compromised immune systems. I'm used to it now, I guess the same would go for public spaces, people would just get used to it.
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Thanks Granny,

I thought the last two paragraphs were very interesting:

“His visits came on the heels of a WHO emergency committee decision last week to hold off on recommendinga public health emergency of international concern (PHEIC), for a third time. WHO experts, including Tedros, said the decision was made because the overall risk of international spread is low, and a PHEIC designation could further hurt the DRC's economy.

Two health workers infected
Yesterday the DRC's ministry of health said two health workers, including one in Rwampara and one in Musienene, were newly diagnosed with Ebola. Both workers had refused vaccination with Merck's VSV-EBOV, the unlicensed Ebola vaccine currently being used in the region.

The Musienene health worker died in the community, officials said. The two new cases raise the total number of health workers infected during this outbreak to 118, including 39 deaths. Health workers represent 5.5% of all cases diagnosed since last August.

As of yesterday, a total of 135,395 people in the DRC and neighboring countries had been vaccinated with Merck's vaccine. “
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Thank you for your post and this link.

I would just add that apparently the brother of the small child who passed first has also passed.
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Thanks Granny,

I thought the last two paragraphs were very interesting:

“His visits came on the heels of a WHO emergency committee decision last week to hold off on recommendinga public health emergency of international concern (PHEIC), for a third time. WHO experts, including Tedros, said the decision was made because the overall risk of international spread is low, and a PHEIC designation could further hurt the DRC's economy.

Two health workers infected
Yesterday the DRC's ministry of health said two health workers, including one in Rwampara and one in Musienene, were newly diagnosed with Ebola. Both workers had refused vaccination with Merck's VSV-EBOV, the unlicensed Ebola vaccine currently being used in the region.

The Musienene health worker died in the community, officials said. The two new cases raise the total number of health workers infected during this outbreak to 118, including 39 deaths. Health workers represent 5.5% of all cases diagnosed since last August.

As of yesterday, a total of 135,395 people in the DRC and neighboring countries had been vaccinated with Merck's vaccine. “
 Quoting: Light Bulb


WHO is really shuffling in the sand, not taking an active stance toward protection of other countries who so far have only a few known cases. I do not trust them, along with most other agencies.
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After 6 months of numerous visits to cancer treatment centers here in Chicongo its commonplace for patients/family to come and go with masks on due to their chemo compromised immune systems. I'm used to it now, I guess the same would go for public spaces, people would just get used to it.
 Quoting: uscrusader1


Everywhere may have someone wearing a mask seen in public from time to time. Could be someone on chemo, someone extra sensitive about not spreading their cold germs, anything at all. A mask isn't shocking. Gloves also are not. I generally think a person in protective gloves may have a painful skin rash, or a skin disease, or an allergy to a common substance like ink price marks.

Except for teenagers and young adults, this country is pretty accepting of what we see that may be "different" or out of the norm. I believe in all cases a health issue of one kind or another is assumed when seeing protective gear.
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Re: Ebola warning US - Update: now believed to be airborne - heads up!!!!!
the seal of the mask is critical. i bolded the section that i take to mean the effectivenesss of the mask in practical everyday use. just wrinkling your face will change the seal of this mask. it has to sit tight against uyour skin all the way around the mask since everyone is shaped slightly different, there is no way to make a rigid mask that works for everyone 100%. you have better odds with a rubber mask.

for those medical ppl who are dealing with infected,they should be in full suits. saves $$ without and tries to give the impression that the disease is under control.that impression probably matters more in Africa.it also matters for them to keep workers or nurses. make the feel safe or they might get smart and quit. last thing they need is for a drop to get on their arm and then after they remove the gloves,transfer it to their faces.

what the mask does in a perfect lab test is not how they will act in a real world test. as POKA says the best way is to fully avoid being near the disease.

full suits would have some uses 1 is after the disease burns out to do any cleanup.there will be dead bodies. there will also be lots of supplies that can be scavenged and used.family and friends who show up can be isolated for 30 days and then put to work helping to grow food,rebuild society,defense,etc. when you deal with them a suit would protect you and allow you to stand outside and talk with them.
 Quoting: JAZZz50


I've tried the "duck-bill" masks and they do not seal around the face, at least in my trials. That seal is critical, as you have said.

I believe clean-up will be done by those involved in martial law or by National Guard, or by people hired for the purpose, unless so many have died that there is thought to be no reason to bother with clean-up except around DC and the mansions of politicians.

To nurse a family member all protocols must be in place - as you said - full body protection, as well as the ways to seal off the room holding the patient.

This is going to be a mess whichever way it falls out. We can only pray against it happening, pray against the epidemic, pray against any possible plan to decimate the population, and protect ourselves with the best planning and equipment we can manage.

Thank you very much for your post!
 Quoting: Pooka


a real bio-hazard suit is plenty well sealed up.





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