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Simple Question: if you do not believe in God, why don't you?

 
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I.e. god punishes you by allowing pain on others, which in turn purifies you... Stockholm syndrome anyone?
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Not allowing, comforting, caring, loving during the pain.

As my mother was dying my atheist brother who swore he would take care of her, ignored her most basic needs like a warm pair of socks while he sold off all of her belongings.
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That was your brother, not a set if beliefs ordained or not ordained by some man made deity...
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You sound a little bitter about that...

Had my brother embraced those beliefs he would have taken better care of my mother as he pledged he would...
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Nope. Not bitter at all. You are projecting. I would advocate counseling, not theology.
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There are no other 'gods'.

Just the one true God and creator of all life.

He is the only one who is real and sovereign, which is why He and His followers are attacked so relentlessly.
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...and who or what "created" the creator?
 Quoting: nineteeneightyfive


Ask yourself, is this even a relevant question? How does it change your belief in God. We have a Creator. IF He has a Creator as well, that doesn't change the fact that He still created us.

This is why we were given the story of the Tower of Babel, to show mankind, that; questions [and quests] like these are all in vain.

Does it truly benefit us, and more importantly, is it something you would even believe, and if you did, how would that affect the way you view life as we now know it?

There are a lot of ways and phrases to use to keep this into perspective, but maybe we should just leave this as is!

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Yes. It is a very relevant question. So answer it.
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Even the demons believe in God and know who Jesus is. Trusting him with your life is truly believing, we need to take up our cross daily and crucify the flesh.

John 3:16 isn't as simple as it comes across. In the original Greek, the word "believe" is actually “Pisteuo”.

“Pisteuo” is a total trust and abandonment of oneself upon the object of the belief. There is no English word that is equivalent in meaning to the word “pisteuo”. The closest word that the translators could find for the word “pisteuo” is “believe”. So they translated “pisteuo” as “believe”. But the word “believe” on its own does not convey what “pisteuo” actually means. “Pisteuo” describes an action that is like sitting on a chair – you put your entire weight on the chair. You abandon yourself and rest totally on the chair – in complete trust. “Pisteuo” also conveys the idea of yielding or surrendering.

James 2:19
19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble!
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... sigh, and in a 1000 years from now as society lays in ruins a new God and religion will spawn, and no one will ever have heard of a Christian. But the mythos will replay all over...
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I have a verse for your kind also.

Matthew 7:6 New International Version (NIV)
6 “Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.
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Ah that crafty 'ol god of Abraham.

What a master poker player he must be.

;)

lol
 Quoting: SyncAsFunk


You do realize don't you that islam is almost the polar opposite of almost any other religion on the planet.

No other religion has killed more, enslaved more, raped more, tortured more, or destroyed more than islam has.
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Even the demons believe in God and know who Jesus is. Trusting him with your life is truly believing, we need to take up our cross daily and crucify the flesh.

John 3:16 isn't as simple as it comes across. In the original Greek, the word "believe" is actually “Pisteuo”.

“Pisteuo” is a total trust and abandonment of oneself upon the object of the belief. There is no English word that is equivalent in meaning to the word “pisteuo”. The closest word that the translators could find for the word “pisteuo” is “believe”. So they translated “pisteuo” as “believe”. But the word “believe” on its own does not convey what “pisteuo” actually means. “Pisteuo” describes an action that is like sitting on a chair – you put your entire weight on the chair. You abandon yourself and rest totally on the chair – in complete trust. “Pisteuo” also conveys the idea of yielding or surrendering.

James 2:19
19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble!
 Quoting: The Revenant




... sigh, and in a 1000 years from now as society lays in ruins a new God and religion will spawn, and no one will ever have heard of a Christian. But the mythos will replay all over...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77315642




I have a verse for your kind also.

Matthew 7:6 New International Version (NIV)
6 “Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.
 Quoting: The Revenant



Lol


I have one better, explain why obvious contradictions involving creation exist in genesis 1 and 2.
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I know deep within myself that God, Our Creator is very real.
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As do I.

As I said earlier, as an engineer His existence to me is incontrovertible.
A coward dies a thousand times, but the valiant need taste of death but once.

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Not allowing, comforting, caring, loving during the pain.

As my mother was dying my atheist brother who swore he would take care of her, ignored her most basic needs like a warm pair of socks while he sold off all of her belongings.
 Quoting: Masiro®



That was your brother, not a set if beliefs ordained or not ordained by some man made deity...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77315642


You sound a little bitter about that...

Had my brother embraced those beliefs he would have taken better care of my mother as he pledged he would...
 Quoting: Masiro®



Nope. Not bitter at all. You are projecting. I would advocate counseling, not theology.
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I love counseling, the psychiatrists are always stunned when they talk to me, I get invited back all the time for free to they can learn more...
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Who is the better person, those that walk away from the stress of dealing with the dying of a loved one or those that carry the burden of dealing with all the problems involved with death?

Sadly when you get to the nuts and bolts of it all in the end without God it is almost unbearable...
 Quoting: Masiro®


Or perhaps the one who isn't afraid of death at all. That realize death gives this life meaning. That mortality is a great great gift.

I don't find many religious that aren't afraid of death. In fact, that was one of the greatest signs that woke me up....seeing multiple priests terrified when confronted with their own mortality.

Why should there be a burden at all? Kind of sound like you are creating your own prison through false beliefs.
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It is a human and Earthly idea to believe in beginning and ends. Does Eternity have a beginning or end? Does time? What created 'God'. No evidence for any answers to any questions. How could we know anything, us specks of pointless dust? If using a 'God' explains what is unknown for you, ok. For me, that doesn't work.
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:270:
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Ah that crafty 'ol god of Abraham.

What a master poker player he must be.

;)

lol
 Quoting: SyncAsFunk


You do realize don't you that islam is almost the polar opposite of almost any other religion on the planet.

No other religion has killed more, enslaved more, raped more, tortured more, or destroyed more than islam has.
 Quoting: Masiro®




I seriously doubt that. Whose ass did you pull those numbers from... lol

Religion is the problem. Get rid of all forms...
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That was your brother, not a set if beliefs ordained or not ordained by some man made deity...
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You sound a little bitter about that...

Had my brother embraced those beliefs he would have taken better care of my mother as he pledged he would...
 Quoting: Masiro®



Nope. Not bitter at all. You are projecting. I would advocate counseling, not theology.
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I love counseling, the psychiatrists are always stunned when they talk to me, I get invited back all the time for free to they can learn more...
 Quoting: Masiro®



Ok...
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Why believe in something that doesn't exist?
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The hilarious thing is. You dont actually believe that. Your endowed with the creators spirit. He breathed life into you.

You are in denial, but rooted inside you is a connection to God. You know its in you, you feel his presence. Why deny what your know to be true?
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I know deep within myself that God, Our Creator is very real.
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As do I.

As I said earlier, as an engineer His existence to me is incontrovertible.
 Quoting: ~Newton's Own~


Then as an engineer you appreciate order. Explain the creation contradictions in gen 1 and 2. We will move forward from that.
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Ah that crafty 'ol god of Abraham.

What a master poker player he must be.

;)

lol
 Quoting: SyncAsFunk


You do realize don't you that islam is almost the polar opposite of almost any other religion on the planet.

No other religion has killed more, enslaved more, raped more, tortured more, or destroyed more than islam has.
 Quoting: Masiro®




I seriously doubt that. Whose ass did you pull those numbers from... lol

Religion is the problem. Get rid of all forms...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77315642


Ah, another nihilist.

Good job repping for the brand.
A coward dies a thousand times, but the valiant need taste of death but once.

Fear cuts deeper than swords.

The spiritual man judges all and is judged by none.
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Who is the better person, those that walk away from the stress of dealing with the dying of a loved one or those that carry the burden of dealing with all the problems involved with death?

Sadly when you get to the nuts and bolts of it all in the end without God it is almost unbearable...
 Quoting: Masiro®


Or perhaps the one who isn't afraid of death at all. That realize death gives this life meaning. That mortality is a great great gift.

I don't find many religious that aren't afraid of death. In fact, that was one of the greatest signs that woke me up....seeing multiple priests terrified when confronted with their own mortality.

Why should there be a burden at all? Kind of sound like you are creating your own prison through false beliefs.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71594995


I have faced death more times than I want to talk about but God stopped me from killing myself only once.

with a simple sunrise...
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Re: Simple Question: if you do not believe in God, why don't you?
What is the Hebrew word for day?

Yowm.

What does Yowm Translate to?

An undetermined period of time.

Did God create everything in 6 days and rest on the 7th?

No, God created everything in 6 yowms. There is a translation error.

What yowm did God create man?

The 6th Yowm.

Was Adam mentioned in this creation?

No, Adam was mentioned after God rested.

What did god realize after he rested?

Gen 2:5 "there was no man to till the ground"

Did God then create Adam?

Yes, and then God also created Eve from Adam.

What year is the common belief of Adam's creation?

Roughly 6,000 years ago so 4,000 BC, give or take.

What era were humans in prior to 4,000 BC?

The Ubaik period

What are some characteristics of mankind in the Ubaik period?

These humans lived a hunter gather lifestyle, eating fruits and berries and wild animals.

Did god give Mankind a diet in the first creation in Genesis 1 (before Adam)?

Yes, he told man to eat fruits, berries, and wild animals

What era were humans in after 4,000 BC?

The Uruk period?

What are some characteristics of mankind in the Uruk period?

Man began to practice agriculture, government, written language, mathematics, etc.

Was Adam the first Man?

No, Adam was not mentioned until God realized he had no man to till the ground.

Did people start cities, governments, mathematics prior to Adam?

No

Did they after?

Yes

When did the Blue eyed gene first come into mankind?

6,000 - 10,000 years ago. [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

Do all blue eyed people share one common ancestor?

It is what scientist believe.

Where did this first common ancestor live?

In the middle east, near the black sea, near the country of Georgia. Also, around that caucus mountain region.

Why are light skinned people called Caucasian?

A German anthropologist, in the 1790s, found that the skulls of the ancient people from the caucus mountains most matched the skulls of the light skinned people of Europe.

Where did Noah's ark land?

Mount Ararat.

What mountain region is mount Ararat a part of?

The caucus mountains.

What is the Hebrew word for Earth?

Eretz

What is the translation of Eretz?

land?
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Why believe in something that doesn't exist?
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The hilarious thing is. You dont actually believe that. Your endowed with the creators spirit. He breathed life into you.

You are in denial, but rooted inside you is a connection to God. You know its in you, you feel his presence. Why deny what your know to be true?
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Cognitive dissonance runs deep with this group...
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I know deep within myself that God, Our Creator is very real.
 Quoting: Loup Garou


As do I.

As I said earlier, as an engineer His existence to me is incontrovertible.
 Quoting: ~Newton's Own~


Then as an engineer you appreciate order. Explain the creation contradictions in gen 1 and 2. We will move forward from that.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77315642


Name them.

Show me what your talking about.
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Ah that crafty 'ol god of Abraham.

What a master poker player he must be.

;)

lol
 Quoting: SyncAsFunk


You do realize don't you that islam is almost the polar opposite of almost any other religion on the planet.

No other religion has killed more, enslaved more, raped more, tortured more, or destroyed more than islam has.
 Quoting: Masiro®




I seriously doubt that. Whose ass did you pull those numbers from... lol

Religion is the problem. Get rid of all forms...
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Those numbers come from Muslim accounts of their conquests around the world...
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Ah that crafty 'ol god of Abraham.

What a master poker player he must be.

;)

lol
 Quoting: SyncAsFunk


You do realize don't you that islam is almost the polar opposite of almost any other religion on the planet.

No other religion has killed more, enslaved more, raped more, tortured more, or destroyed more than islam has.
 Quoting: Masiro®




I seriously doubt that. Whose ass did you pull those numbers from... lol

Religion is the problem. Get rid of all forms...
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Ah, another nihilist.

Good job repping for the brand.
 Quoting: ~Newton's Own~




No, I am a realist.
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I don't believe in God because I have no reason to. There is no evidence to suggest that such a being exists.

I also don't believe in the Hindu pantheon, for exactly the same reason.

Ditto for every other proposed deity that claims to be the only True way to see the world. There isn't any reason to believe it, unless you choose to have faith in it. I don't.

The universe is a wondrous place that I want to explore and understand; the frameworks of physics, biology and everything else are utterly fascinating, and the world of the mind is equally intriguing (if more ambiguous). Simply Choosing one deity or another to believe in, as if that creation story explains it all, is just avoiding the most interesting questions... and is basically a cop-out. As well as completely pointless, because the odds are stacked heavily against it being right.
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I know deep within myself that God, Our Creator is very real.
 Quoting: Loup Garou


As do I.

As I said earlier, as an engineer His existence to me is incontrovertible.
 Quoting: ~Newton's Own~


Then as an engineer you appreciate order. Explain the creation contradictions in gen 1 and 2. We will move forward from that.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77315642


Name them.

Show me what your talking about.
 Quoting: ~Newton's Own~




Do not act coy. Simply juxtapose the two iterations of the creative days and post.
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Why believe in something that doesn't exist?
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Because YOU exist
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Ah that crafty 'ol god of Abraham.

What a master poker player he must be.

;)

lol
 Quoting: SyncAsFunk


You do realize don't you that islam is almost the polar opposite of almost any other religion on the planet.

No other religion has killed more, enslaved more, raped more, tortured more, or destroyed more than islam has.
 Quoting: Masiro®




I seriously doubt that. Whose ass did you pull those numbers from... lol

Religion is the problem. Get rid of all forms...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77315642

Those numbers come from Muslim accounts of their conquests around the world...
 Quoting: Masiro®


Well for starters 23 million plus in yhwh murders in the bible. Crusades, and every other war. Pot call kettle black.
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NO I do not!

I'm not going into my reasoning nor am I making any fun of anyone who does believe!
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...and who or what "created" the creator?

Ask yourself, is this even a relevant question? How does it change your belief in God. We have a Creator. IF He has a Creator as well, that doesn't change the fact that He still created us.

This is why we were given the story of the Tower of Babel, to show mankind, that; questions [and quests] like these are all in vain.

Does it truly benefit us, and more importantly, is it something you would even believe, and if you did, how would that affect the way you view life as we now know it?

There are a lot of ways and phrases to use to keep this into perspective, but maybe we should just leave this as is!

sheep
 Quoting: nineteeneightyfive


It’s actually a crucial question. Are you a real being, that is, something uncreated, eternal, or are you a machine, something that was created? After all, the whole point of spiritual teachings is to ‘know thy self’.
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I don't believe in God because I have no reason to. There is no evidence to suggest that such a being exists.

I also don't believe in the Hindu pantheon, for exactly the same reason.

Ditto for every other proposed deity that claims to be the only True way to see the world. There isn't any reason to believe it, unless you choose to have faith in it. I don't.

The universe is a wondrous place that I want to explore and understand; the frameworks of physics, biology and everything else are utterly fascinating, and the world of the mind is equally intriguing (if more ambiguous). Simply Choosing one deity or another to believe in, as if that creation story explains it all, is just avoiding the most interesting questions... and is basically a cop-out. As well as completely pointless, because the odds are stacked heavily against it being right.
 Quoting: Wurzel


Simple Question: what reason would be enough for you to believe in God? a

Are you waiting for him to appear?
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Who is the better person, those that walk away from the stress of dealing with the dying of a loved one or those that carry the burden of dealing with all the problems involved with death?

Sadly when you get to the nuts and bolts of it all in the end without God it is almost unbearable...
 Quoting: Masiro®


Or perhaps the one who isn't afraid of death at all. That realize death gives this life meaning. That mortality is a great great gift.

I don't find many religious that aren't afraid of death. In fact, that was one of the greatest signs that woke me up....seeing multiple priests terrified when confronted with their own mortality.

Why should there be a burden at all? Kind of sound like you are creating your own prison through false beliefs.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71594995


I have faced death more times than I want to talk about but God stopped me from killing myself only once.

with a simple sunrise...
 Quoting: Masiro®


So you attributed a simple occurrence of this reality into the divine. You see what you want to see.

What about those that are righteous and just, without believing in a supreme deity? What about those that treat others with kindness and respect, simply because those acts make this reality better for everyone?

What if one walks the path of nobility and honor but believes knowledge of what comes next isn't allowed. That if that knowledge were known, it would ruin this reality.

What if you could see the light in their eyes and their love of life? Would you lock arms with such an individual and call them brother?
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You do realize don't you that islam is almost the polar opposite of almost any other religion on the planet.

No other religion has killed more, enslaved more, raped more, tortured more, or destroyed more than islam has.
 Quoting: Masiro®




I seriously doubt that. Whose ass did you pull those numbers from... lol

Religion is the problem. Get rid of all forms...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77315642

Those numbers come from Muslim accounts of their conquests around the world...
 Quoting: Masiro®


Well for starters 23 million plus in yhwh murders in the bible. Crusades, and every other war. Pot call kettle black.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77315642


Ah yes the crusades... which only started 400 years after Muslims conquered the entirety of the middle east and killed off as many Christians as they could not convert or enslave...