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Simple Question: if you do not believe in God, why don't you?

 
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Damn. That was beautiful. Someone who loves reality. Someone who takes this life with both hands and F***s the living S**t out of it with glee. And I would bet someone who employs kindness and respect simply because.

God damn, now that is what this reality is about. The wonderment of the human soul loving this life.

Now I need a smoke

awesome
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Agreed! Very well stated...

I’m sure that spoke for a lot of us.
 Quoting: mport81


Thank you, both. It's good to know I'm not alone here in having this way of seeing our wonderful reality.

cheers
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Re: Simple Question: if you do not believe in God, why don't you?
O God, I pray to you this prayer, please excuse the fact that it is so public, but I pray that you show yourself to each and every person in this thread and in the world.

That the knowledge of you will be made manifest and that the peace in you I feel be made known to all.

I don't know how to answer all their questions, I wish I did. I wish we had all the answers but I know you are sovereign. I know you are the truth.

I pray God to give us strength and healing and knowledge. I pray for wisdom and knowledge to be given. I pray for grace and lovingkindness.

I pray for the ones that hate you and scorn you, that you would be a beacon in their life in times of trouble.

I pray for all of us Lord, in Jesus Holy name I pray these things.
 Quoting: ~Newton's Own~


How's that bullshit working for you so far?
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I guarantee you it will work wonderfully.

That's a promise.
A coward dies a thousand times, but the valiant need taste of death but once.

Fear cuts deeper than swords.

The spiritual man judges all and is judged by none.
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Re: Simple Question: if you do not believe in God, why don't you?
Look at the evil, corrupt, diseased world we live in...not exactly a great argument for some kind "loving" creator.
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Free will is a bitch ain't it?
 Quoting: Masiro®


No such thing. I dont know where you Christian's pull that shit from.

Didnt work for Pharoah, or Judas, or jesus, or dozens if others I could name.
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So what you are saying is that if you want to kill you are slaves to your own emotions and God has nothing to do with it...
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Re: Simple Question: if you do not believe in God, why don't you?
I know deep within myself that God, Our Creator is very real.
 Quoting: Loup Garou


As do I.

As I said earlier, as an engineer His existence to me is incontrovertible.
 Quoting: ~Newton's Own~


Just like millions of hindus, know "deep in theirselves" that their 30000+ gods are real.
Just like the billions of muslims that also know "deep in theirselves" that Allah is real and the only true god.
Just like millions of people whom believes Zeus. You and all these people are simply deluded.

And wasn't you the guy with the "Just a theory" argument? If so, besides a fanatic, you would be also a liar about being an engineer.
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Re: Simple Question: if you do not believe in God, why don't you?
I can feel the hate for me even before I start down this road BUT...

I see the hand of God in everything around me and it is glorious...

So if you don't believe in God what more than anything is your reason for what you believe?
 Quoting: Masiro®


Op

You have to understand one thing most dont believe,because of their EGO

That's right EGO

They can fathom that their is something above them a higher power

Now, some will say how can I believe in something that doesn't exist?

Stupid question, how do they know God doesknt exist?

Then they will say we wheres the proof God exist?

Well, you are here aren't you?

Then they will say big bang, or we came from the ocean, we evolved from tadpoles or germs, or microcosms, or some stupid shit like these things

What they fail to understand is a big bang which actually would be impossible without something in space existing first wouldnt make sense, and for it to align planets perfectly for earth to have life isnt possible

Also, if they cant believe God could have existed from nothing then how could the big bang come.from nothing?

Then if we evolved from the ocean or microcosm then where did that come from?

Something created all these things

So, if something created all these things why cant it be a God? Why cant people just believe?

It cost nothing to believe

Think of life like this, this is to the non believers

If you believe in God and jesus and you die and they dont exist, so what?

You didn't lose anything

But if you dont believe and you die and they do exist now you risk losing everything if believing is the way to heaven and non believers go to hell

So what does it hurt to just believe? Nothing

It's all about their EGO

Some may not choose to believe because they like to sin and do things against Gods laws

So. By not believing they can do whatever and not feel they will have consequences after death

If they believe in God then they feel like they ate held accountable for their sins

Some people are just brain washed by People serving Satan

The greatest trick Satan ever did was making people believe he doesnt exist and God doesnt exist
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76720150


Pascal’s Wager, again?

You can’t tell someone to “just believe, because you might be wrong”

To say it would cost nothing is nuts, you are saying I should live a lie on the off chance there is a God, because it minimizes the risk of going to hell.
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Re: Simple Question: if you do not believe in God, why don't you?
I believe in nothing that requires faith, faith is the lie that prevents progress.
Faith is the opposite of learning and growing.
Zero Devine evidence anywhere, fact.
Control tactic and nothing more.
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well then the bad news is, everything is built and complete day one, from the mega mansions to the swimming pools.

no work just people who know how to live there.

faith is required to enter.

hell is your worst day times ten. a car wreck, the house burned down and your wife just died, your mother, your dad, both brothers and sisters died in that wreck. your wreck broke both legs and arms and your neck hangs by a thread to move it any feels like the worst pain you can think of. your whole body breaks out in a big blister of puss each second feels like 10 years and this is only the first 15 mins now think forever is now never ending.

your too busy hurting to figure a way out. a reason for everything.

how hard it is to care? was GOD asking too much? after all you wanted a house and what? are you kidding me?
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Re: Simple Question: if you do not believe in God, why don't you?
I can feel the hate for me even before I start down this road BUT...

I see the hand of God in everything around me and it is glorious...

So if you don't believe in God what more than anything is your reason for what you believe?
 Quoting: Masiro®


Con men. Thread: No, working is NOT a normal human activity. It is a religious one.
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Re: Simple Question: if you do not believe in God, why don't you?
You say you don't have blinkers on, but you can't accept that other people don't see a deity when when they look at the wonders of the Universe. That's blinkers. Your own perspective has stopped you even trying to understand a different point of view. I see the same things you do, and marvel at the unwinding of the laws of Nature to create such complexity and abundance... but I see literally no reason to leap from that observation to a deity of any sort. Instead, I want to understand. To me, your way is a pointless denial of the wonder, by inventing an explanation that doesn't really explain anything.

The mere thought of God doesn't question my beliefs in the Universe and my place in it, because I don't have any fixed beliefs. I have ideas that I play with, and try to break in order to further my understanding, and come closer to the truth. The concept of a God making everything is one of the first ideas that was thrown at me, but I discarded that one as largely pointless many, many years ago. It's just not anything close to being the most compelling possibility, and I no longer give it any thought. I appreciate that God is central to your perception of yourself, but to me the concept is largely irrelevant. It's just not very interesting.

I'm not lying to myself, or to anyone else. It seems that you're simply unwilling to consider, or incapable of appreciating, such a different point of view... but that's your blinkers, not mine.
 Quoting: Wurzel




clappa


Damn. That was beautiful. Someone who loves reality. Someone who takes this life with both hands and F***s the living S**t out of it with glee. And I would bet someone who employs kindness and respect simply because.

God damn, now that is what this reality is about. The wonderment of the human soul loving this life.

Now I need a smoke

awesome
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Agreed! Very well stated...

I’m sure that spoke for a lot of us.
 Quoting: mport81


The problem with what you just said is this

God doesnt care about what you think is right or what you dont believe

God gave you the only way to heaven

Through Jesus

You can sugar coat it, say things like this and make yourself seem enlightened

You can make others feel what you said is beautiful and so awesome

This doesnt mean shit to God

Jesus said the only way to the father is through me, that's it, no exceptions

Search for some other way ot search for a unicorn that doesnt exist doesnt make a difference in the end if God does exist you will end up same place as all the non believers

See it doesnt cost anything to believe in God and jesus

Doesnt take.much time to hey saved and secure your place in heaven

If you die and there's no God, then oh well, nothing lost

If you die and there is a God you are fucked

Cover all your bases

See, like I said, its EGO

You dont like the sound of there is a God who created everything

So, you decide you will go search and find an alternative answer

Where will you find this answer?

Everything is based off of what Man believes

The Bible was written by prophets who got messages from God, supposedly

And everything else you read or hear well these are from humans who think they know the answer

Truth is nobody knows shit

But, I would rather stuck my belief in God and from a book that has been around for 1000s of year then from some new age bull shit artist of today


If I'm wrong then I. Wrong AMD nothing happens after I die

If I'm right I will go to heaven

If you are wrong you are fucked

If you are right then nothing happens

Get your EGO out of the way before you die and it's to late
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Re: Simple Question: if you do not believe in God, why don't you?
I know deep within myself that God, Our Creator is very real.
 Quoting: Loup Garou


As do I.

As I said earlier, as an engineer His existence to me is incontrovertible.
 Quoting: ~Newton's Own~


Just like millions of hindus, know "deep in theirselves" that their 30000+ gods are real.
Just like the billions of muslims that also know "deep in theirselves" that Allah is real and the only true god.
Just like millions of people whom believes Zeus. You and all these people are simply deluded.

And wasn't you the guy with the "Just a theory" argument? If so, besides a fanatic, you would be also a liar about being an engineer.
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingUAgain


Millions of hindus have not known better.

Muslims believe in what they believe because they would be killed if they didn't.

Christianity is unique in that it has never forced itself on any other religions at the point of a sword...
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Re: Simple Question: if you do not believe in God, why don't you?
God exists because

1, We exist

2, Space is infinite

The chances of a God existing is infinitely possible.


Now, if the universe was eternal, the act of creation and destruction must happen another way.

LIFE

Birth is a precipitation of the universe being created.

Death is a precipitation of the universe being destroyed.


Life allows the conditions of creation and destruction to be satisfied, allowing the Universe as we know it. Ironically.
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Our birth gives life to an eternal dimension.

Our death destroys that eternal dimension.
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Re: Simple Question: if you do not believe in God, why don't you?
I can feel the hate for me even before I start down this road BUT...

I see the hand of God in everything around me and it is glorious...

So if you don't believe in God what more than anything is your reason for what you believe?
 Quoting: Masiro®


Op

You have to understand one thing most dont believe,because of their EGO

That's right EGO

They can fathom that their is something above them a higher power

Now, some will say how can I believe in something that doesn't exist?

Stupid question, how do they know God doesknt exist?

Then they will say we wheres the proof God exist?

Well, you are here aren't you?

Then they will say big bang, or we came from the ocean, we evolved from tadpoles or germs, or microcosms, or some stupid shit like these things

What they fail to understand is a big bang which actually would be impossible without something in space existing first wouldnt make sense, and for it to align planets perfectly for earth to have life isnt possible

Also, if they cant believe God could have existed from nothing then how could the big bang come.from nothing?

Then if we evolved from the ocean or microcosm then where did that come from?

Something created all these things

So, if something created all these things why cant it be a God? Why cant people just believe?

It cost nothing to believe

Think of life like this, this is to the non believers

If you believe in God and jesus and you die and they dont exist, so what?

You didn't lose anything

But if you dont believe and you die and they do exist now you risk losing everything if believing is the way to heaven and non believers go to hell

So what does it hurt to just believe? Nothing

It's all about their EGO

Some may not choose to believe because they like to sin and do things against Gods laws

So. By not believing they can do whatever and not feel they will have consequences after death

If they believe in God then they feel like they ate held accountable for their sins

Some people are just brain washed by People serving Satan

The greatest trick Satan ever did was making people believe he doesnt exist and God doesnt exist
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76720150


Pascal’s Wager, again?

You can’t tell someone to “just believe, because you might be wrong”

To say it would cost nothing is nuts, you are saying I should live a lie on the off chance there is a God, because it minimizes the risk of going to hell.
 Quoting: mport81





i am sorry folks, but it does we require more than just believing GOD or Jesus is real, for if they are real then you would live like it, just like those who believe they are not real. they live as if its true, hurting others while thinking, so what? what is anybody going to do?

and when the da's get sick or have a bad car wreck they aren't smart enough to look back a week after they just screwed someone over big time and connect the dots.

all belief has actions that follow, it is what makes the belief system real. you do it because you believe.

works without faith is worthless...

grow up boys and girls
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Re: Simple Question: if you do not believe in God, why don't you?
I can feel the hate for me even before I start down this road BUT...

I see the hand of God in everything around me and it is glorious...

So if you don't believe in God what more than anything is your reason for what you believe?
 Quoting: Masiro®


Op

You have to understand one thing most dont believe,because of their EGO

That's right EGO

They can fathom that their is something above them a higher power

Now, some will say how can I believe in something that doesn't exist?

Stupid question, how do they know God doesknt exist?

Then they will say we wheres the proof God exist?

Well, you are here aren't you?

Then they will say big bang, or we came from the ocean, we evolved from tadpoles or germs, or microcosms, or some stupid shit like these things

What they fail to understand is a big bang which actually would be impossible without something in space existing first wouldnt make sense, and for it to align planets perfectly for earth to have life isnt possible

Also, if they cant believe God could have existed from nothing then how could the big bang come.from nothing?

Then if we evolved from the ocean or microcosm then where did that come from?

Something created all these things

So, if something created all these things why cant it be a God? Why cant people just believe?

It cost nothing to believe

Think of life like this, this is to the non believers

If you believe in God and jesus and you die and they dont exist, so what?

You didn't lose anything

But if you dont believe and you die and they do exist now you risk losing everything if believing is the way to heaven and non believers go to hell

So what does it hurt to just believe? Nothing

It's all about their EGO

Some may not choose to believe because they like to sin and do things against Gods laws

So. By not believing they can do whatever and not feel they will have consequences after death

If they believe in God then they feel like they ate held accountable for their sins

Some people are just brain washed by People serving Satan

The greatest trick Satan ever did was making people believe he doesnt exist and God doesnt exist
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76720150


Pascal’s Wager, again?

You can’t tell someone to “just believe, because you might be wrong”

To say it would cost nothing is nuts, you are saying I should live a lie on the off chance there is a God, because it minimizes the risk of going to hell.
 Quoting: mport81


Nope, not saying live a lie at all

So, you are assuming God is a lie?

Just by making that statement proves you have no clue

I said what does it hurt to believe?

Why not just believe in God and Jesus?

There's no harm in it, it cost nothing

There's no reason not to believe

Believe and if when you die there is no God then so what you lose nothing

I didn't say pretend to believe

I said BELIEVE that means put your faith in God

Pretending would be just saying ok I believe

That's not being saved and believing

If you going to believe you actually do it have faith

Dont live a lie

You cant pretend to believe God knows what's in your heart

So, have faith and believe

If you are wrong no big deal

If you are right you gain heaven
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And all the devils men said Yay!
A coward dies a thousand times, but the valiant need taste of death but once.

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The spiritual man judges all and is judged by none.
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What you call "god", I call "the universe".

Once you understand quantum entanglement and how to participate in the 4th dimension, the notion of a fictional human embodiment (aka "god") becomes obsolete.
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What you call "god", I call "the universe".

Once you understand quantum entanglement and how to participate in the 4th dimension, the notion of a fictional human embodiment (aka "god") becomes obsolete.
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Lol, ok.

What you believe requires more faith than believing in your Creator.
A coward dies a thousand times, but the valiant need taste of death but once.

Fear cuts deeper than swords.

The spiritual man judges all and is judged by none.
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Re: Simple Question: if you do not believe in God, why don't you?
I can feel the hate for me even before I start down this road BUT...

I see the hand of God in everything around me and it is glorious...

So if you don't believe in God what more than anything is your reason for what you believe?
 Quoting: Masiro®


Op

You have to understand one thing most dont believe,because of their EGO

That's right EGO

They can fathom that their is something above them a higher power

Now, some will say how can I believe in something that doesn't exist?

Stupid question, how do they know God doesknt exist?

Then they will say we wheres the proof God exist?

Well, you are here aren't you?

Then they will say big bang, or we came from the ocean, we evolved from tadpoles or germs, or microcosms, or some stupid shit like these things

What they fail to understand is a big bang which actually would be impossible without something in space existing first wouldnt make sense, and for it to align planets perfectly for earth to have life isnt possible

Also, if they cant believe God could have existed from nothing then how could the big bang come.from nothing?

Then if we evolved from the ocean or microcosm then where did that come from?

Something created all these things

So, if something created all these things why cant it be a God? Why cant people just believe?

It cost nothing to believe

Think of life like this, this is to the non believers

If you believe in God and jesus and you die and they dont exist, so what?

You didn't lose anything

But if you dont believe and you die and they do exist now you risk losing everything if believing is the way to heaven and non believers go to hell

So what does it hurt to just believe? Nothing

It's all about their EGO

Some may not choose to believe because they like to sin and do things against Gods laws

So. By not believing they can do whatever and not feel they will have consequences after death

If they believe in God then they feel like they ate held accountable for their sins

Some people are just brain washed by People serving Satan

The greatest trick Satan ever did was making people believe he doesnt exist and God doesnt exist
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76720150


Pascal’s Wager, again?

You can’t tell someone to “just believe, because you might be wrong”

To say it would cost nothing is nuts, you are saying I should live a lie on the off chance there is a God, because it minimizes the risk of going to hell.
 Quoting: mport81


Nope, not saying live a lie at all

So, you are assuming God is a lie?

Just by making that statement proves you have no clue

I said what does it hurt to believe?

Why not just believe in God and Jesus?

There's no harm in it, it cost nothing

There's no reason not to believe

Believe and if when you die there is no God then so what you lose nothing

I didn't say pretend to believe

I said BELIEVE that means put your faith in God

Pretending would be just saying ok I believe

That's not being saved and believing

If you going to believe you actually do it have faith

Dont live a lie

You cant pretend to believe God knows what's in your heart

So, have faith and believe

If you are wrong no big deal

If you are right you gain heaven
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76720150


I’m not saying God is a lie, just that there is no proof of his existence.

By asking my to just believe in something even though I see ZERO proof of that things existence is to ask ME to live a lie.

I am not wired to take things just on faith, it’s not possible for me. So, I require proof.

To say it costs nothing to believe in god, is to not take other people’s differences into account.

Pascal’s Wager has been discredited many times over, as a way to get non-believers to accept the existence of God.
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Why I don't believe in god ?

Same reason I don't believe in unicorns, fairies, santie-clauze, the Easter bunny, werewolves, vampires, trolls or any of the other millions of imaginary friends and enemies.
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Op

You have to understand one thing most dont believe,because of their EGO

That's right EGO

They can fathom that their is something above them a higher power

Now, some will say how can I believe in something that doesn't exist?

Stupid question, how do they know God doesknt exist?

Then they will say we wheres the proof God exist?

Well, you are here aren't you?

Then they will say big bang, or we came from the ocean, we evolved from tadpoles or germs, or microcosms, or some stupid shit like these things

What they fail to understand is a big bang which actually would be impossible without something in space existing first wouldnt make sense, and for it to align planets perfectly for earth to have life isnt possible

Also, if they cant believe God could have existed from nothing then how could the big bang come.from nothing?

Then if we evolved from the ocean or microcosm then where did that come from?

Something created all these things

So, if something created all these things why cant it be a God? Why cant people just believe?

It cost nothing to believe

Think of life like this, this is to the non believers

If you believe in God and jesus and you die and they dont exist, so what?

You didn't lose anything

But if you dont believe and you die and they do exist now you risk losing everything if believing is the way to heaven and non believers go to hell

So what does it hurt to just believe? Nothing

It's all about their EGO

Some may not choose to believe because they like to sin and do things against Gods laws

So. By not believing they can do whatever and not feel they will have consequences after death

If they believe in God then they feel like they ate held accountable for their sins

Some people are just brain washed by People serving Satan

The greatest trick Satan ever did was making people believe he doesnt exist and God doesnt exist
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76720150


Pascal’s Wager, again?

You can’t tell someone to “just believe, because you might be wrong”

To say it would cost nothing is nuts, you are saying I should live a lie on the off chance there is a God, because it minimizes the risk of going to hell.
 Quoting: mport81


Nope, not saying live a lie at all

So, you are assuming God is a lie?

Just by making that statement proves you have no clue

I said what does it hurt to believe?

Why not just believe in God and Jesus?

There's no harm in it, it cost nothing

There's no reason not to believe

Believe and if when you die there is no God then so what you lose nothing

I didn't say pretend to believe

I said BELIEVE that means put your faith in God

Pretending would be just saying ok I believe

That's not being saved and believing

If you going to believe you actually do it have faith

Dont live a lie

You cant pretend to believe God knows what's in your heart

So, have faith and believe

If you are wrong no big deal

If you are right you gain heaven
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76720150


I’m not saying God is a lie, just that there is no proof of his existence.

By asking my to just believe in something even though I see ZERO proof of that things existence is to ask ME to live a lie.

I am not wired to take things just on faith, it’s not possible for me. So, I require proof.

To say it costs nothing to believe in god, is to not take other people’s differences into account.

Pascal’s Wager has been discredited many times over, as a way to get non-believers to accept the existence of God.
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God hides himself for a reason.

A good reason.
A coward dies a thousand times, but the valiant need taste of death but once.

Fear cuts deeper than swords.

The spiritual man judges all and is judged by none.
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Why I don't believe in god ?

Same reason I don't believe in unicorns, fairies, santie-clauze, the Easter bunny, werewolves, vampires, trolls or any of the other millions of imaginary friends and enemies.
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Vampires have been around for centuries, how you have been mislead is by the commercialization of them for entertainment purposes...

While hiding the fact that the powerful elite drink the blood of children to feed their needs...
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Re: Simple Question: if you do not believe in God, why don't you?
I ask this...

You say that you see the "hand of God in everything around you". How do you know? What if humanity can still show glimpses of kindness.

Next, imagine this. Being raised by a mother and your father has abandoned you, meaning absent father or deadbeat dad.
You never see him or hear from him. Now fast forward into your 40s or 50s. Still no father in your life, but one day someone hands you a book and says it was written by a bunch of men that you don't know, and if you don't love this dad of yours unequivocally, when you die someday he is going to have you tortured for eternity. Does that make ANY logical sense whatsoever? Yeah... didn't think so.

And if divine miracles do occur, I've never witnessed one.
And let me ask you this. IF they do, why are innocent souls (children) all over the world dying from starvation and cancer? What's really shitty is the blind faith followers that dig up excuses like... Oh, it must have been their time to go. They must be needed in heaven. pfff

Ridiculous is more than just a Harry Potter spell, friend.

Plus, according to religious scholars we are one with the divine. So, we are gods already. Are we not capable of creating life? Yes. Are we able to love, judge and punish. Ahh...yep. In my opinion and belief, we were farmed here by some higher life force than us. Whether you want to call it god or something else is up to you. I think the bible being man-made was done so to create order out of chaos. Rules and morals to live by - that's all.

Just think about it...
~Newton's Own~

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Re: Simple Question: if you do not believe in God, why don't you?
I ask this...

You say that you see the "hand of God in everything around you". How do you know? What if humanity can still show glimpses of kindness.

Next, imagine this. Being raised by a mother and your father has abandoned you, meaning absent father or deadbeat dad.
You never see him or hear from him. Now fast forward into your 40s or 50s. Still no father in your life, but one day someone hands you a book and says it was written by a bunch of men that you don't know, and if you don't love this dad of yours unequivocally, when you die someday he is going to have you tortured for eternity. Does that make ANY logical sense whatsoever? Yeah... didn't think so.

And if divine miracles do occur, I've never witnessed one.
And let me ask you this. IF they do, why are innocent souls (children) all over the world dying from starvation and cancer? What's really shitty is the blind faith followers that dig up excuses like... Oh, it must have been their time to go. They must be needed in heaven. pfff

Ridiculous is more than just a Harry Potter spell, friend.

Plus, according to religious scholars we are one with the divine. So, we are gods already. Are we not capable of creating life? Yes. Are we able to love, judge and punish. Ahh...yep. In my opinion and belief, we were farmed here by some higher life force than us. Whether you want to call it god or something else is up to you. I think the bible being man-made was done so to create order out of chaos. Rules and morals to live by - that's all.

Just think about it...
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You obviously think God is a fool.

I assure you, he's not.

He knows every circumstance.

Now Jesus is in charge.

Who better to judge man than He who lived as one, facing the same temptations?
A coward dies a thousand times, but the valiant need taste of death but once.

Fear cuts deeper than swords.

The spiritual man judges all and is judged by none.
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Re: Simple Question: if you do not believe in God, why don't you?
What you call "god", I call "the universe".

Once you understand quantum entanglement and how to participate in the 4th dimension, the notion of a fictional human embodiment (aka "god") becomes obsolete.
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Lol, ok.

What you believe requires more faith than believing in your Creator.
 Quoting: ~Newton's Own~


I find it very fascinating that someone who has no problem believing in a fictional all powerful imaginary man, has such a hard time believing in actual science. Quantum entanglement is real science my friend and does not require "faith".

You're on the right track by seeking, but why seek if you are unwilling to hear the answer?
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Re: Simple Question: if you do not believe in God, why don't you?
Who better to judge man than He who lived as one, facing the same temptations?
 Quoting: ~Newton's Own~


They All Think The Creator Will Create A place Like This Planet and Go away for so Long lolol

AnyWay.!
mport81

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06/08/2019 06:20 PM
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Re: Simple Question: if you do not believe in God, why don't you?
Why believe in something that doesn't exist?
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Well, since you dont believe that God exists ? Then why dont you and all the other atheists just kill yourselves ,because afterall it all means nothing? Right?
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Stupid argument, which you have backwards.

If you believe in an eternal afterlife sitting in heaven, it makes no sense that believers wouldn’t want to get there as fast as they can. Why haven’t you Killed yourself. Oh wait, is that a “sin”? What a shame.

For non-believers, this is our only chance at existence. The only logical thing is for us to get as much out of this life as possible.

I don’t need a god to want to live as long as I can. I don’t need an external purpose to make my life meaningful.

You might see being alive as nothing, but it’s the exact opposite for non-believers

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The Revenant

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Re: Simple Question: if you do not believe in God, why don't you?
This thread is exhibit A for why most of the world is going to hell, including many that think otherwise.

Matthew 7:13-14 New International Version (NIV)
The Narrow and Wide Gates
13 “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.


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Re: Simple Question: if you do not believe in God, why don't you?
There is no question that there is a creator but the real question is, what is the nature of the creator ? Invisible sky god with human characteristics with human weaknesses or an alien species millions of years more advanced than us. There is more evidence for the alien theory than an ancient sky god as nobody has ever seen an angel or demon but millions witness alien events yearly.
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Re: Simple Question: if you do not believe in God, why don't you?
It's good to have this discussion. I can only relate what has happened to me personally in this.

I'll try to nut shell it, even though it's long, and maybe it will benefit someone here. That's my hope anyway.

I grew up in the standard mainstream protestant churches with sermonettes for Christianettes and not ever really seeing much of the power and glory in the people professing faith. Also a great deal of hypocrisy and hatred for people who were not in the same line of thinking as the practitioners of the particular denomination they were following.

Did the whole confirmation thing, and didn't join the church because I was 12 years old and knew what they believed, but not what "I" believed. Had to have a sit down with the pastor and the entire church board to explain myself to all these older adults who were pretty upset with me not joining the church.

Especially my parents.

But I stuck with my decision, and told them I couldn't take a vow that I believed and followed their doctrine when I really didn't know what I believed.

Then in high school I did a comparative religions course (self designed course) and discovered all religions basically said the same thing, "Be decent to each other". Also found out the origins of Christmas and Easter and it made me think that Christianity was really lame because they couldn't even come up with their own holidays.

It really rather hacked me off, and then I tried to be an atheist. That lasted about 6 months. I had to give that up because to me, every blade of grass just destroys the idea that there is no Creator. Atheism takes entirely too much faith for me.

I decided to basically cherry pick what seemed to be right to me from any religion at all. In college and after college, as I very much enjoy studying different social paradigms.

Looking at societies all across the world, every single society has some religion. Every single one.

That told me that there is definitely something because otherwise there is no reason at all to be decent to each other. None.

Then I nearly committed suicide and a voice, very calmly, spoke in my head, but audibly, and said, "You're not ready to die."

And those were the truest words I'd heard up to that point in my life. So I got help and, obviously, lived.

Another year or two went by doing the cherry picking thing, and then something hit me.

There has to be judgement. If there is any reason to be decent, there has GOT to be some kind of judgement.

And Yeshua (Jesus) is the only one who said, "I am the Way the Truth and the Life, and no one comes to the Father but by me."

If there is judgement, then there is a Judge.

Since I can't even pass my own imperfect judgement, how could I possibly pass judgement under a perfect and righteous judge?

I couldn't...Nope. But Yeshua made the Way for me to be free.

So I went from not believing, to believing, and now it seems crazy to me that I ever even considered that there was no Creator.

Sadly, I think there are too many church goers and not enough people who attend church that are filled with love for Yah and their fellow man.

And I think that causes a lot of people to reject the most incredible blessing there is in this life. IE. The certainty that there is reason, and love, and hope and right ruling and joy...Despite all appearances to the contrary.
Things are bad enough, there is no need to make anything up.

"Never interrupt an enemy in the process of destroying himself."...Q
The Semi Shut In

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Re: Simple Question: if you do not believe in God, why don't you?
It's not a question of believing,it's what one does to know,to experience such a thing as the ineffable. It's beyond words when a human has an encounter with the source of all.

I've watched this same thread subject for the past 20 years with every conceivable angle offered by posters who are at all different stages of consciousness.

History is full of stories of saints, mystics and holy people from all faiths who have offered their experiences on the quest for transcendence and at-one-ment with the source of all. Whether it is through the cessation of thought by austerities and meditation or the one pointed determination to experience divine love by becoming loving in thought, word and deed or any of the myriad ways of attaining a higher understanding of our true self and its place in the scheme of things. Until one strives to know by whatever means and focuses wholeheartedly on the journey back home the best one can hope for is an intellectual acceptance or denial of the question of God.

The final answer can only be found in the crucible of your own being as it burns off its lower aspects and cleans itself up to be worthy to know such things.
Sometimes I'm in the world but not of it
and
Sometimes I'm of the world but not in it.
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Re: Simple Question: if you do not believe in God, why don't you?
The final answer can only be found in the crucible of your own being as it burns off its lower aspects and cleans itself up to be worthy to know such things.
 Quoting: The Semi Shut In


I recall several seers and sayers of olde that said and saw the same thing, although the 'worthy' part can be a hangup for some.

cheers
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