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Dealing with the psychological side of witnessing things not accepted by society as possible

 
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You know what to do.
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And what is that?
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Do what's right, even when it costs you.
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There is no right to do.

I could stand at the top of a cliff and yell at the ocean, but that will not stop the tide from coming in.

This shit is bigger than me.
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What's right is written on your heart.
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tell us op

Amodeus wishes to hear your testimony


just the facts.
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It's a long story.

With more facets than a diamond.

And more time in it than .... something really long.
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And what is that?
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Do what's right, even when it costs you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76320280


There is no right to do.

I could stand at the top of a cliff and yell at the ocean, but that will not stop the tide from coming in.

This shit is bigger than me.
 Quoting: TlvmmCpoft


What's right is written on your heart.
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That's sweet. Useless, but sweet.
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And what is that?
 Quoting: TlvmmCpoft



Do what's right, even when it costs you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76320280


There is no right to do.

I could stand at the top of a cliff and yell at the ocean, but that will not stop the tide from coming in.

This shit is bigger than me.
 Quoting: TlvmmCpoft


What's right is written on your heart.
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yeah, the "truth" is dependant on the LOV of the particular scenario

I'm sure OP will be mindful and apply the appropriate filters

"the truth is written on the hearts of men"

now where have iheard THAT before?

cmon OP

we know you spent time in the field

lighten up

we are all buddies here

I'm on the side of disclosure against nanotect/Morgellons

were you involved in its development?
yes or no, will suffice?
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tell us op

Amodeus wishes to hear your testimony


just the facts.
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It's a long story.

With more facets than a diamond.

And more time in it than .... something really long.
 Quoting: TlvmmCpoft


so you are talking timeline manipulation which was unsuccessful which didn't just result in one anomaly but fucking thousands?
yeh...I know

clevvveeer....

so...

be at peace

keep your secrets

bathe every day and refresh under the water

take some Grace and find it in your heart to forget

divert, divert. divert

cheers

take care

I like you...
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You are under arrest because you are naughty an wanna be under lightshow arrest lol

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Do what's right, even when it costs you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76320280


There is no right to do.

I could stand at the top of a cliff and yell at the ocean, but that will not stop the tide from coming in.

This shit is bigger than me.
 Quoting: TlvmmCpoft


What's right is written on your heart.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76320280


That's sweet. Useless, but sweet.
 Quoting: TlvmmCpoft



I'm serious. God Himself has told us that what is right is written on our hearts.

What would you do if you knew for absolute certain that you were going to be judged on your decision after you died, and your eternity will depend on what you do?

Then do that.

If you can help one single person by reporting whatever it is, then do it.

Otherwise, forget it.

But, make sure you aren't bullshitting yourself.
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There is no right to do.

I could stand at the top of a cliff and yell at the ocean, but that will not stop the tide from coming in.

This shit is bigger than me.
 Quoting: TlvmmCpoft


What's right is written on your heart.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76320280


That's sweet. Useless, but sweet.
 Quoting: TlvmmCpoft



I'm serious. God Himself has told us that what is right is written on our hearts.

What would you do if you knew for absolute certain that you were going to be judged on your decision after you died, and your eternity will depend on what you do?

Then do that.

If you can help one single person by reporting whatever it is, then do it.

Otherwise, forget it.

But, make sure you aren't bullshitting yourself.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76320280


I already submitted my reports.
Spoke to the victims I could.

It was how I dealt with survivors guilt.

My hands are clean.
Doesn't change a thing, but they're clean.

Now, it's been my turn to deal with the damage done to me.
Followed my heart to a brick wall.
Can't get any further in it without an actual hand.

Some days it just eats me.
All those wasted years, wasted decades, staying silent, coming close to death just to tow that dangerous line, all so I could slip the leash and walk away - and end up crushed by that same silence.

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OP you need a REAL man in your life to help you copealien03rockon
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OP you need a REAL man in your life to help you copealien03rockon
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lol

You volunteering?
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OP you need a REAL man in your life to help you copealien03rockon
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lol

You volunteering?
 Quoting: TlvmmCpoft


Of course. I'm always available. Hope you like alienufo56
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OP you need a REAL man in your life to help you copealien03rockon
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lol

You volunteering?
 Quoting: TlvmmCpoft


Of course. I'm always available. Hope you like alienufo56
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That'd add a whole new color to my bowl of froot loops.
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OP you need a REAL man in your life to help you copealien03rockon
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lol

You volunteering?
 Quoting: TlvmmCpoft


Of course. I'm always available. Hope you like alienufo56
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That'd add a whole new color to my bowl of froot loops.
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You don't have to cover up something no one believes is possible.
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I do if I don't want to be perceived as a fucking fruitloop.
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Your not covering up anything. You state that if you did say whatever it is, no one would believe you anyway. So what's the point of saying it.

Sounds like the real issue is that you suspect you WILL be believed and then you will be in jeopardy.

So you tell yourself that no one will believe you because you're scared.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76320280


I talk about it because it fucking bugs me and I'm trying to find something akin to resolution.

And, genuinely, believed or not, the response isn't going to be great.
 Quoting: TlvmmCpoft

I totally get it, more than you know. It is a lonely existance. It is almost better not taking that colored pill, in retrospect of course. I wish I had better advice. I just find it interesting how you articulated it, very well as a matter of fact. What I found is that i alienated and scared a bunch of people away speaking my truth. I guess it weeded out the good from the bad, but until you find your tribe that supports you and the truth, your stories and such, it is darn lonely in the meantime. You may even run into hostility from people who don't want to believe, as if they are defending anti truth, hard to explain. Some things when revealed bring out the worst in a person not ready to deal with it, so they attack. That experience has made me just want to be a hermit and fade away.
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I do if I don't want to be perceived as a fucking fruitloop.
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Your not covering up anything. You state that if you did say whatever it is, no one would believe you anyway. So what's the point of saying it.

Sounds like the real issue is that you suspect you WILL be believed and then you will be in jeopardy.

So you tell yourself that no one will believe you because you're scared.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76320280


I talk about it because it fucking bugs me and I'm trying to find something akin to resolution.

And, genuinely, believed or not, the response isn't going to be great.
 Quoting: TlvmmCpoft

I totally get it, more than you know. It is a lonely existance. It is almost better not taking that colored pill, in retrospect of course. I wish I had better advice. I just find it interesting how you articulated it, very well as a matter of fact. What I found is that i alienated and scared a bunch of people away speaking my truth. I guess it weeded out the good from the bad, but until you find your tribe that supports you and the truth, your stories and such, it is darn lonely in the meantime. You may even run into hostility from people who don't want to believe, as if they are defending anti truth, hard to explain. Some things when revealed bring out the worst in a person not ready to deal with it, so they attack. That experience has made me just want to be a hermit and fade away.
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hf

It's left me in a fucked up place.

I speak to relieve the trauma.
But when I'm done speaking, I'm freaking traumatized by the thought that someone may have actually listened to me speak.

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The vision is for you, not others, sometimes.
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Your not covering up anything. You state that if you did say whatever it is, no one would believe you anyway. So what's the point of saying it.

Sounds like the real issue is that you suspect you WILL be believed and then you will be in jeopardy.

So you tell yourself that no one will believe you because you're scared.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76320280


I talk about it because it fucking bugs me and I'm trying to find something akin to resolution.

And, genuinely, believed or not, the response isn't going to be great.
 Quoting: TlvmmCpoft

I totally get it, more than you know. It is a lonely existance. It is almost better not taking that colored pill, in retrospect of course. I wish I had better advice. I just find it interesting how you articulated it, very well as a matter of fact. What I found is that i alienated and scared a bunch of people away speaking my truth. I guess it weeded out the good from the bad, but until you find your tribe that supports you and the truth, your stories and such, it is darn lonely in the meantime. You may even run into hostility from people who don't want to believe, as if they are defending anti truth, hard to explain. Some things when revealed bring out the worst in a person not ready to deal with it, so they attack. That experience has made me just want to be a hermit and fade away.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77250481


hf

It's left me in a fucked up place.

I speak to relieve the trauma.
But when I'm done speaking, I'm freaking traumatized by the thought that someone may have actually listened to me speak.
 Quoting: TlvmmCpoft


Do you journal at all? It may be a good way to organize your thoughts and such on what you are dealing with. I found it useful. I wanted to let you know that several years ago you were there for me, as a stranger "out there" only can be for another stranger on the internet. I was dealing with a difficult truth, similar in feel with what you are discussing here, and I ran into you on here and felt you just knew what I was dealing with even though you didnt know any of the details. Funny how I run into you again in a similar situation. Anyhow, round and round we go. Hugs. hf
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So, how do you deal with it when there will never be closure or acknowledgement?

Regardless of what it was.

Whether you saw a green alien or watched the CIA execute someone on US soil...

How do you deal with coming to terms with it knowing you'll never have society on your side? That they'd rather believe you're nuts than that it happened.

Has anyone worked through that crap and come out the other side?
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I’ve decided that I don’t want society on my side. Those people are nuts.
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Your not covering up anything. You state that if you did say whatever it is, no one would believe you anyway. So what's the point of saying it.

Sounds like the real issue is that you suspect you WILL be believed and then you will be in jeopardy.

So you tell yourself that no one will believe you because you're scared.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76320280


I talk about it because it fucking bugs me and I'm trying to find something akin to resolution.

And, genuinely, believed or not, the response isn't going to be great.
 Quoting: TlvmmCpoft

I totally get it, more than you know. It is a lonely existance. It is almost better not taking that colored pill, in retrospect of course. I wish I had better advice. I just find it interesting how you articulated it, very well as a matter of fact. What I found is that i alienated and scared a bunch of people away speaking my truth. I guess it weeded out the good from the bad, but until you find your tribe that supports you and the truth, your stories and such, it is darn lonely in the meantime. You may even run into hostility from people who don't want to believe, as if they are defending anti truth, hard to explain. Some things when revealed bring out the worst in a person not ready to deal with it, so they attack. That experience has made me just want to be a hermit and fade away.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77250481


hf

It's left me in a fucked up place.

I speak to relieve the trauma.
But when I'm done speaking, I'm freaking traumatized by the thought that someone may have actually listened to me speak.
 Quoting: TlvmmCpoft



because then you might suffer the same fate as the others?
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I talk about it because it fucking bugs me and I'm trying to find something akin to resolution.

And, genuinely, believed or not, the response isn't going to be great.
 Quoting: TlvmmCpoft

I totally get it, more than you know. It is a lonely existance. It is almost better not taking that colored pill, in retrospect of course. I wish I had better advice. I just find it interesting how you articulated it, very well as a matter of fact. What I found is that i alienated and scared a bunch of people away speaking my truth. I guess it weeded out the good from the bad, but until you find your tribe that supports you and the truth, your stories and such, it is darn lonely in the meantime. You may even run into hostility from people who don't want to believe, as if they are defending anti truth, hard to explain. Some things when revealed bring out the worst in a person not ready to deal with it, so they attack. That experience has made me just want to be a hermit and fade away.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77250481


hf

It's left me in a fucked up place.

I speak to relieve the trauma.
But when I'm done speaking, I'm freaking traumatized by the thought that someone may have actually listened to me speak.
 Quoting: TlvmmCpoft


Do you journal at all? It may be a good way to organize your thoughts and such on what you are dealing with. I found it useful. I wanted to let you know that several years ago you were there for me, as a stranger "out there" only can be for another stranger on the internet. I was dealing with a difficult truth, similar in feel with what you are discussing here, and I ran into you on here and felt you just knew what I was dealing with even though you didnt know any of the details. Funny how I run into you again in a similar situation. Anyhow, round and round we go. Hugs. hf
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I'm glad I could have been there.

My journals... oh lord, my journals. I've tried, but I don't know how much good they've done.

One of my first ones as a teen, before I even had a framework or words from which to describe things, was stolen by a friend and ended up in the hands of a guy writing a book.
Thanks to that, I unwittingly ended up as one of the subjects of one of the original published conspiracy writings out there.
Before I even knew it was a fucking conspiracy.

I'm usually the last to know.

My last one, I left in a bin on the side of the road in a foreign country.
I found it in my luggage again 3 years later in another country.
I have no idea how it got there. Weird as hell.
Maybe I forgot to actually throw it in the bin?
I binned it (again).
Hopefully, this time it stays. It's not something anyone should be crossing borders with.
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So, how do you deal with it when there will never be closure or acknowledgement?

Regardless of what it was.

Whether you saw a green alien or watched the CIA execute someone on US soil...

How do you deal with coming to terms with it knowing you'll never have society on your side? That they'd rather believe you're nuts than that it happened.

Has anyone worked through that crap and come out the other side?
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I’ve decided that I don’t want society on my side. Those people are nuts.
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That they are.
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I have. For me it was just a matter of accepting the universe is much more fantastic then we've been lead to believe and there are those out there that do not want this info out as to retain power and control.

The fact that there is more to this life than this physical struggle fills my heart with joy.
This is what pulls me through.
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This is exactly how I feel. I saw a UFO. I told my aunt about it. She then told me her UFO story. In 1956 she was 16 years old. She saw a UFO land 100 feet in front of her during daylight. It sat there a couple minutes and took off straight into the air.

My aunt is not Looney. We now share a special kind of bond.

There is so much more to this universe...it is amazing. It is...what it is.
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abducthf
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I talk about it because it fucking bugs me and I'm trying to find something akin to resolution.

And, genuinely, believed or not, the response isn't going to be great.
 Quoting: TlvmmCpoft

I totally get it, more than you know. It is a lonely existance. It is almost better not taking that colored pill, in retrospect of course. I wish I had better advice. I just find it interesting how you articulated it, very well as a matter of fact. What I found is that i alienated and scared a bunch of people away speaking my truth. I guess it weeded out the good from the bad, but until you find your tribe that supports you and the truth, your stories and such, it is darn lonely in the meantime. You may even run into hostility from people who don't want to believe, as if they are defending anti truth, hard to explain. Some things when revealed bring out the worst in a person not ready to deal with it, so they attack. That experience has made me just want to be a hermit and fade away.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77250481


hf

It's left me in a fucked up place.

I speak to relieve the trauma.
But when I'm done speaking, I'm freaking traumatized by the thought that someone may have actually listened to me speak.
 Quoting: TlvmmCpoft



because then you might suffer the same fate as the others?
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Death? Life imprisonment? Idiocy? Emptiness? Pointlessness?
Which of their fates?

I think I've got the pointlessness down to a science.

But, no, I don't have as much of that fear as one should. I'm too burnt out from standing in the fire while someone promised if I moved I'd get burned.

When you're standing in fire, you're already getting burned. Any move you make will either result in the same or relief. There is no wrong move at that point.
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I totally get it, more than you know. It is a lonely existance. It is almost better not taking that colored pill, in retrospect of course. I wish I had better advice. I just find it interesting how you articulated it, very well as a matter of fact. What I found is that i alienated and scared a bunch of people away speaking my truth. I guess it weeded out the good from the bad, but until you find your tribe that supports you and the truth, your stories and such, it is darn lonely in the meantime. You may even run into hostility from people who don't want to believe, as if they are defending anti truth, hard to explain. Some things when revealed bring out the worst in a person not ready to deal with it, so they attack. That experience has made me just want to be a hermit and fade away.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77250481


hf

It's left me in a fucked up place.

I speak to relieve the trauma.
But when I'm done speaking, I'm freaking traumatized by the thought that someone may have actually listened to me speak.
 Quoting: TlvmmCpoft


Do you journal at all? It may be a good way to organize your thoughts and such on what you are dealing with. I found it useful. I wanted to let you know that several years ago you were there for me, as a stranger "out there" only can be for another stranger on the internet. I was dealing with a difficult truth, similar in feel with what you are discussing here, and I ran into you on here and felt you just knew what I was dealing with even though you didnt know any of the details. Funny how I run into you again in a similar situation. Anyhow, round and round we go. Hugs. hf
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I'm glad I could have been there.

My journals... oh lord, my journals. I've tried, but I don't know how much good they've done.

One of my first ones as a teen, before I even had a framework or words from which to describe things, was stolen by a friend and ended up in the hands of a guy writing a book.
Thanks to that, I unwittingly ended up as one of the subjects of one of the original published conspiracy writings out there.
Before I even knew it was a fucking conspiracy.

I'm usually the last to know.

My last one, I left in a bin on the side of the road in a foreign country.
I found it in my luggage again 3 years later in another country.
I have no idea how it got there. Weird as hell.
Maybe I forgot to actually throw it in the bin?
I binned it (again).
Hopefully, this time it stays. It's not something anyone should be crossing borders with.
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Wow you do have some interesting stories, makes me want to hear more. Very odd situations no doubt, have you ever considered you are hopping dimensions or timelines or someone else associated with you is? It has been a main theme of my journey as well, trying to sort that out. Not sure what you believe, or if it even interconnects with your original lamentation for your thread here, but lately it seems that there is a real sense of urgency with syncs, synchronicity, time and even space. The curiosity about it provoked the necessity to rewatch the Matrix again as it has been so long.
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hf

It's left me in a fucked up place.

I speak to relieve the trauma.
But when I'm done speaking, I'm freaking traumatized by the thought that someone may have actually listened to me speak.
 Quoting: TlvmmCpoft


Do you journal at all? It may be a good way to organize your thoughts and such on what you are dealing with. I found it useful. I wanted to let you know that several years ago you were there for me, as a stranger "out there" only can be for another stranger on the internet. I was dealing with a difficult truth, similar in feel with what you are discussing here, and I ran into you on here and felt you just knew what I was dealing with even though you didnt know any of the details. Funny how I run into you again in a similar situation. Anyhow, round and round we go. Hugs. hf
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I'm glad I could have been there.

My journals... oh lord, my journals. I've tried, but I don't know how much good they've done.

One of my first ones as a teen, before I even had a framework or words from which to describe things, was stolen by a friend and ended up in the hands of a guy writing a book.
Thanks to that, I unwittingly ended up as one of the subjects of one of the original published conspiracy writings out there.
Before I even knew it was a fucking conspiracy.

I'm usually the last to know.

My last one, I left in a bin on the side of the road in a foreign country.
I found it in my luggage again 3 years later in another country.
I have no idea how it got there. Weird as hell.
Maybe I forgot to actually throw it in the bin?
I binned it (again).
Hopefully, this time it stays. It's not something anyone should be crossing borders with.
 Quoting: TlvmmCpoft


Wow you do have some interesting stories, makes me want to hear more. Very odd situations no doubt, have you ever considered you are hopping dimensions or timelines or someone else associated with you is? It has been a main theme of my journey as well, trying to sort that out. Not sure what you believe, or if it even interconnects with your original lamentation for your thread here, but lately it seems that there is a real sense of urgency with syncs, synchronicity, time and even space. The curiosity about it provoked the necessity to rewatch the Matrix again as it has been so long.
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I just came into this world in the wrong time and the wrong place. No need to skip through time to be where I've been. It just took one incredibly bad bit of luck to start the ball rolling.
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So, how do you deal with it when there will never be closure or acknowledgement?

Regardless of what it was.

Whether you saw a green alien or watched the CIA execute someone on US soil...

How do you deal with coming to terms with it knowing you'll never have society on your side? That they'd rather believe you're nuts than that it happened.

Has anyone worked through that crap and come out the other side?
 Quoting: TlvmmCpoft


The One Who Dreams is here.

Are you asking how the real deals cope with their psychological issues after carrying out an order for the country, or asking what to do about what you saw?

If it's the former, there's no psychological issues.

Because for second example like you described above, they don't hire people to carry order like those, unless their candidates are well known narcissistic psychopaths with serious mental issues.

You don't want to be around people like them, even as your friends, because they'll never let you know what they're thinking inside.

If it's the latter, there are two possible scenarios.

1. You work for an alphabet agency and asking in this forum what to do.

- You're f###ed.
- Alphabet agencies can tell you who are, within 5 minutes, even if you're behind the multitude of proxy/VPN/remote desktops with scores of DNS leak proof protections.
- They can dig up up your monthly utility bill details within 10 minutes, if you have used the current device (PC or mobile phone) for anything personal in the past.
- Alphabet agencies don't have to go through website mods, because they can track enter and exit node time and dig up your data from ISPs from all around the world and track who ordered what at what time.
- Even if you're surfing from places where they provide free internet access, if your device was used in the past for something else, they can trace you.
- Once the system gets triggered, they automatically create maps of your associations and dig up data on whether you're a spook or not.
- If you are, they take you in for questioning.
- If you're not, you get on their spotlight.

2. You saw something disturbing and you're asking for help here with no association with alphabet agencies.

- You're f###ed.
- You're asking for trouble, because they're probably making a map of association on you right at this moment.

If doesn't matter whether you're an Eskimo living in igloo or a three eyed Martian.

If you grab their attention, then you can say goodbye to your privacy.

I noticed a lot of people were bad mouthing innocent visitors expressing their opinions, because bad mouthers were feeling safe as they were hiding behind the VPNs.

Be careful, because spooks pretend to be those innocent posters on purpose, to turn what they call 'bad people' into their prey.
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06/11/2019 10:10 PM
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hf

It's left me in a fucked up place.

I speak to relieve the trauma.
But when I'm done speaking, I'm freaking traumatized by the thought that someone may have actually listened to me speak.
 Quoting: TlvmmCpoft


Do you journal at all? It may be a good way to organize your thoughts and such on what you are dealing with. I found it useful. I wanted to let you know that several years ago you were there for me, as a stranger "out there" only can be for another stranger on the internet. I was dealing with a difficult truth, similar in feel with what you are discussing here, and I ran into you on here and felt you just knew what I was dealing with even though you didnt know any of the details. Funny how I run into you again in a similar situation. Anyhow, round and round we go. Hugs. hf
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77250481


I'm glad I could have been there.

My journals... oh lord, my journals. I've tried, but I don't know how much good they've done.

One of my first ones as a teen, before I even had a framework or words from which to describe things, was stolen by a friend and ended up in the hands of a guy writing a book.
Thanks to that, I unwittingly ended up as one of the subjects of one of the original published conspiracy writings out there.
Before I even knew it was a fucking conspiracy.

I'm usually the last to know.

My last one, I left in a bin on the side of the road in a foreign country.
I found it in my luggage again 3 years later in another country.
I have no idea how it got there. Weird as hell.
Maybe I forgot to actually throw it in the bin?
I binned it (again).
Hopefully, this time it stays. It's not something anyone should be crossing borders with.
 Quoting: TlvmmCpoft


Wow you do have some interesting stories, makes me want to hear more. Very odd situations no doubt, have you ever considered you are hopping dimensions or timelines or someone else associated with you is? It has been a main theme of my journey as well, trying to sort that out. Not sure what you believe, or if it even interconnects with your original lamentation for your thread here, but lately it seems that there is a real sense of urgency with syncs, synchronicity, time and even space. The curiosity about it provoked the necessity to rewatch the Matrix again as it has been so long.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77250481



Oh, you're a teenager and you're trying to see if you can get something going here?

Yea, this is obviously you answering you.

So sorry I wasted my time reading this crap.
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06/11/2019 10:16 PM

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So, how do you deal with it when there will never be closure or acknowledgement?

Regardless of what it was.

Whether you saw a green alien or watched the CIA execute someone on US soil...

How do you deal with coming to terms with it knowing you'll never have society on your side? That they'd rather believe you're nuts than that it happened.

Has anyone worked through that crap and come out the other side?
 Quoting: TlvmmCpoft


The One Who Dreams is here.

Are you asking how the real deals cope with their psychological issues after carrying out an order for the country, or asking what to do about what you saw?

If it's the former, there's no psychological issues.

Because for second example like you described above, they don't hire people to carry order like those, unless their candidates are well known narcissistic psychopaths with serious mental issues.

You don't want to be around people like them, even as your friends, because they'll never let you know what they're thinking inside.

If it's the latter, there are two possible scenarios.

1. You work for an alphabet agency and asking in this forum what to do.

- You're f###ed.
- Alphabet agencies can tell you who are, within 5 minutes, even if you're behind the multitude of proxy/VPN/remote desktops with scores of DNS leak proof protections.
- They can dig up up your monthly utility bill details within 10 minutes, if you have used the current device (PC or mobile phone) for anything personal in the past.
- Alphabet agencies don't have to go through website mods, because they can track enter and exit node time and dig up your data from ISPs from all around the world and track who ordered what at what time.
- Even if you're surfing from places where they provide free internet access, if your device was used in the past for something else, they can trace you.
- Once the system gets triggered, they automatically create maps of your associations and dig up data on whether you're a spook or not.
- If you are, they take you in for questioning.
- If you're not, you get on their spotlight.

2. You saw something disturbing and you're asking for help here with no association with alphabet agencies.

- You're f###ed.
- You're asking for trouble, because they're probably making a map of association on you right at this moment.

If doesn't matter whether you're an Eskimo living in igloo or a three eyed Martian.

If you grab their attention, then you can say goodbye to your privacy.

I noticed a lot of people were bad mouthing innocent visitors expressing their opinions, because bad mouthers were feeling safe as they were hiding behind the VPNs.

Be careful, because spooks pretend to be those innocent posters on purpose, to turn what they call 'bad people' into their prey.
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I got stuck as the unwitting "assistant" of the former for two decades full time, and then it moved to part time. Psychos don't exactly follow rules when it comes to who they bring in to help. I have literally been through hell and witnessed other peoples hell along the way.

As for the spooks, I don't hide who I am. They don't fucking care. My dear owner has immunity.
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06/11/2019 10:19 PM
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Do you journal at all? It may be a good way to organize your thoughts and such on what you are dealing with. I found it useful. I wanted to let you know that several years ago you were there for me, as a stranger "out there" only can be for another stranger on the internet. I was dealing with a difficult truth, similar in feel with what you are discussing here, and I ran into you on here and felt you just knew what I was dealing with even though you didnt know any of the details. Funny how I run into you again in a similar situation. Anyhow, round and round we go. Hugs. hf
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77250481


I'm glad I could have been there.

My journals... oh lord, my journals. I've tried, but I don't know how much good they've done.

One of my first ones as a teen, before I even had a framework or words from which to describe things, was stolen by a friend and ended up in the hands of a guy writing a book.
Thanks to that, I unwittingly ended up as one of the subjects of one of the original published conspiracy writings out there.
Before I even knew it was a fucking conspiracy.

I'm usually the last to know.

My last one, I left in a bin on the side of the road in a foreign country.
I found it in my luggage again 3 years later in another country.
I have no idea how it got there. Weird as hell.
Maybe I forgot to actually throw it in the bin?
I binned it (again).
Hopefully, this time it stays. It's not something anyone should be crossing borders with.
 Quoting: TlvmmCpoft


Wow you do have some interesting stories, makes me want to hear more. Very odd situations no doubt, have you ever considered you are hopping dimensions or timelines or someone else associated with you is? It has been a main theme of my journey as well, trying to sort that out. Not sure what you believe, or if it even interconnects with your original lamentation for your thread here, but lately it seems that there is a real sense of urgency with syncs, synchronicity, time and even space. The curiosity about it provoked the necessity to rewatch the Matrix again as it has been so long.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77250481


I just came into this world in the wrong time and the wrong place. No need to skip through time to be where I've been. It just took one incredibly bad bit of luck to start the ball rolling.
 Quoting: TlvmmCpoft


I say this all the time, all the time. I also feel like most people are like a clock with the hands on 12 Noon, but me, I am 12:11 or something like that. Like a foot in another place if that renders any solace as explanation. While I do find myself sometimes lonely, alone most of the time, I am also aware that my space is void of a 3D human like me but it isn't empty, just silent.
Sonic senses heightened in these moments.

How long ago did this happen to you? Do you feel you have privacy or has that been compromised?
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Do you journal at all? It may be a good way to organize your thoughts and such on what you are dealing with. I found it useful. I wanted to let you know that several years ago you were there for me, as a stranger "out there" only can be for another stranger on the internet. I was dealing with a difficult truth, similar in feel with what you are discussing here, and I ran into you on here and felt you just knew what I was dealing with even though you didnt know any of the details. Funny how I run into you again in a similar situation. Anyhow, round and round we go. Hugs. hf
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77250481


I'm glad I could have been there.

My journals... oh lord, my journals. I've tried, but I don't know how much good they've done.

One of my first ones as a teen, before I even had a framework or words from which to describe things, was stolen by a friend and ended up in the hands of a guy writing a book.
Thanks to that, I unwittingly ended up as one of the subjects of one of the original published conspiracy writings out there.
Before I even knew it was a fucking conspiracy.

I'm usually the last to know.

My last one, I left in a bin on the side of the road in a foreign country.
I found it in my luggage again 3 years later in another country.
I have no idea how it got there. Weird as hell.
Maybe I forgot to actually throw it in the bin?
I binned it (again).
Hopefully, this time it stays. It's not something anyone should be crossing borders with.
 Quoting: TlvmmCpoft


Wow you do have some interesting stories, makes me want to hear more. Very odd situations no doubt, have you ever considered you are hopping dimensions or timelines or someone else associated with you is? It has been a main theme of my journey as well, trying to sort that out. Not sure what you believe, or if it even interconnects with your original lamentation for your thread here, but lately it seems that there is a real sense of urgency with syncs, synchronicity, time and even space. The curiosity about it provoked the necessity to rewatch the Matrix again as it has been so long.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77250481



Oh, you're a teenager and you're trying to see if you can get something going here?

Yea, this is obviously you answering you.

So sorry I wasted my time reading this crap.
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I can assure you that I am not the OP. We are two different beings, though I do sense a connection that has not been determined. Carry on with your accusation or assumption there is some trickery with my responses to this thread. I am not them nor am i a teenager.