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Dealing with the psychological side of witnessing things not accepted by society as possible

 
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I'm glad I could have been there.

My journals... oh lord, my journals. I've tried, but I don't know how much good they've done.

One of my first ones as a teen, before I even had a framework or words from which to describe things, was stolen by a friend and ended up in the hands of a guy writing a book.
Thanks to that, I unwittingly ended up as one of the subjects of one of the original published conspiracy writings out there.
Before I even knew it was a fucking conspiracy.

I'm usually the last to know.

My last one, I left in a bin on the side of the road in a foreign country.
I found it in my luggage again 3 years later in another country.
I have no idea how it got there. Weird as hell.
Maybe I forgot to actually throw it in the bin?
I binned it (again).
Hopefully, this time it stays. It's not something anyone should be crossing borders with.
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Wow you do have some interesting stories, makes me want to hear more. Very odd situations no doubt, have you ever considered you are hopping dimensions or timelines or someone else associated with you is? It has been a main theme of my journey as well, trying to sort that out. Not sure what you believe, or if it even interconnects with your original lamentation for your thread here, but lately it seems that there is a real sense of urgency with syncs, synchronicity, time and even space. The curiosity about it provoked the necessity to rewatch the Matrix again as it has been so long.
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I just came into this world in the wrong time and the wrong place. No need to skip through time to be where I've been. It just took one incredibly bad bit of luck to start the ball rolling.
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I say this all the time, all the time. I also feel like most people are like a clock with the hands on 12 Noon, but me, I am 12:11 or something like that. Like a foot in another place if that renders any solace as explanation. While I do find myself sometimes lonely, alone most of the time, I am also aware that my space is void of a 3D human like me but it isn't empty, just silent.
Sonic senses heightened in these moments.

How long ago did this happen to you? Do you feel you have privacy or has that been compromised?
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We're on an open forum. What privacy? ;)

I was in a bad situation when I was a small child, so someone took advantage of that and took me along for their ride.

I flung myself off the thing a few years ago but god is my head still spinning.
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I talk about it because it fucking bugs me and I'm trying to find something akin to resolution.

And, genuinely, believed or not, the response isn't going to be great.
 Quoting: TlvmmCpoft

I totally get it, more than you know. It is a lonely existance. It is almost better not taking that colored pill, in retrospect of course. I wish I had better advice. I just find it interesting how you articulated it, very well as a matter of fact. What I found is that i alienated and scared a bunch of people away speaking my truth. I guess it weeded out the good from the bad, but until you find your tribe that supports you and the truth, your stories and such, it is darn lonely in the meantime. You may even run into hostility from people who don't want to believe, as if they are defending anti truth, hard to explain. Some things when revealed bring out the worst in a person not ready to deal with it, so they attack. That experience has made me just want to be a hermit and fade away.
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hf

It's left me in a fucked up place.

I speak to relieve the trauma.
But when I'm done speaking, I'm freaking traumatized by the thought that someone may have actually listened to me speak.
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because then you might suffer the same fate as the others?
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what fate do you speak of, certainly cryptic of you to drop the mic like that and end the post.
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As you said this shit is bigger than you, then why do you feel it necessary to shoulder all of the burden of educating the masses by yourself?
I can only imagine what you have witnessed and wish people to know. I view it as a form of natural selection, those who are smart enough to question everything will find out the truth in all its beauty and horror. Those who aren't will rest in ignorance because they aren't bright enough to ask the right questions.
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As you said this shit is bigger than you, then why do you feel it necessary to shoulder all of the burden of educating the masses by yourself?
I can only imagine what you have witnessed and wish people to know. I view it as a form of natural selection, those who are smart enough to question everything will find out the truth in all its beauty and horror. Those who aren't will rest in ignorance because they aren't bright enough to ask the right questions.
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There's no doubt that the education of the masses is depressing and probably worthless.

Sometimes I really do just need to get it off my chest. It just sits there lurking under the surface, always. After decades of keeping a perfectly serene exterior through all of that shit, it's just a relief to let the mask crack.

I still regret it when I'm done speaking, but eh, that's why I'm on here asking.
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So, how do you deal with it when there will never be closure or acknowledgement?

Regardless of what it was.

Whether you saw a green alien or watched the CIA execute someone on US soil...

How do you deal with coming to terms with it knowing you'll never have society on your side? That they'd rather believe you're nuts than that it happened.

Has anyone worked through that crap and come out the other side?
 Quoting: TlvmmCpoft


Compartmentalization is the only possibility of surviving such, sanity intact.
Fate whispers to the warrior

"You cannot withstand the storm"

and the warrior whispers back

"I am the storm"

INTJ:
Independent, original, analytical, and determined. Have an exceptional ability to turn theories into solid plans of action. Highly value knowledge, competence, and structure. Driven to derive meaning from their visions. Long-range thinkers. Have very high standards for their performance, and the performance of others. Natural leaders, but will follow if they trust existing leaders.

Life is karma and karma always reflects both past and present circumstance. Our time here is short, so choose carefully and behave well, for all of your tomorrows are presently being decided.

"A fool thinks himself to be wise, but a wise man knows himself to be a fool."
-- William Shakespeare, born April 23, 1564.

Follow. But! Follow only if ye be men of valor! For the entrance to this cave is guarded by a creature so foul, so cruel, that no man yet has fought with it... and lived! BONES of full fifty men lie *strewn* about its lair! So! Brave knights! If you do doubt your courage or your strength, come no further, for death awaits you all with nasty, big, pointy teeth...

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So, how do you deal with it when there will never be closure or acknowledgement?

Regardless of what it was.

Whether you saw a green alien or watched the CIA execute someone on US soil...

How do you deal with coming to terms with it knowing you'll never have society on your side? That they'd rather believe you're nuts than that it happened.

Has anyone worked through that crap and come out the other side?
 Quoting: TlvmmCpoft


Compartmentalization is the only possibility of surviving such, sanity intact.
 Quoting: Lady Jayne Smith


She tells me after I decompartmentalized...
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"Cause an owl can see things in the dark" - Some AC
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Thanks for the pin hf
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So, how do you deal with it when there will never be closure or acknowledgement?

Regardless of what it was.

Whether you saw a green alien or watched the CIA execute someone on US soil...

How do you deal with coming to terms with it knowing you'll never have society on your side? That they'd rather believe you're nuts than that it happened.

Has anyone worked through that crap and come out the other side?
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You come to GLP duh.
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You just have to think...it's a dirty business, 205206...it's a dirty business. And go from there.
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I totally get it, more than you know. It is a lonely existance. It is almost better not taking that colored pill, in retrospect of course. I wish I had better advice. I just find it interesting how you articulated it, very well as a matter of fact. What I found is that i alienated and scared a bunch of people away speaking my truth. I guess it weeded out the good from the bad, but until you find your tribe that supports you and the truth, your stories and such, it is darn lonely in the meantime. You may even run into hostility from people who don't want to believe, as if they are defending anti truth, hard to explain. Some things when revealed bring out the worst in a person not ready to deal with it, so they attack. That experience has made me just want to be a hermit and fade away.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77250481


hf

It's left me in a fucked up place.

I speak to relieve the trauma.
But when I'm done speaking, I'm freaking traumatized by the thought that someone may have actually listened to me speak.
 Quoting: TlvmmCpoft


Do you journal at all? It may be a good way to organize your thoughts and such on what you are dealing with. I found it useful. I wanted to let you know that several years ago you were there for me, as a stranger "out there" only can be for another stranger on the internet. I was dealing with a difficult truth, similar in feel with what you are discussing here, and I ran into you on here and felt you just knew what I was dealing with even though you didnt know any of the details. Funny how I run into you again in a similar situation. Anyhow, round and round we go. Hugs. hf
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77250481


I'm glad I could have been there.

My journals... oh lord, my journals. I've tried, but I don't know how much good they've done.

One of my first ones as a teen, before I even had a framework or words from which to describe things, was stolen by a friend and ended up in the hands of a guy writing a book.
Thanks to that, I unwittingly ended up as one of the subjects of one of the original published conspiracy writings out there.
Before I even knew it was a fucking conspiracy.

I'm usually the last to know.

My last one, I left in a bin on the side of the road in a foreign country.
I found it in my luggage again 3 years later in another country.
I have no idea how it got there. Weird as hell.
Maybe I forgot to actually throw it in the bin?
I binned it (again).
Hopefully, this time it stays. It's not something anyone should be crossing borders with.
 Quoting: TlvmmCpoft


I journaled at one time. Tossed mine out in Wash DC at 6th and Penn, right in front of the JW Marriott. Probably ended up in a storm drain. My God, the shit that was in it ....


ETA: Contained nothing to identify me, except maybe some DNA. Whatever ....

Last Edited by Lady Jayne Smith on 06/11/2019 10:39 PM
Fate whispers to the warrior

"You cannot withstand the storm"

and the warrior whispers back

"I am the storm"

INTJ:
Independent, original, analytical, and determined. Have an exceptional ability to turn theories into solid plans of action. Highly value knowledge, competence, and structure. Driven to derive meaning from their visions. Long-range thinkers. Have very high standards for their performance, and the performance of others. Natural leaders, but will follow if they trust existing leaders.

Life is karma and karma always reflects both past and present circumstance. Our time here is short, so choose carefully and behave well, for all of your tomorrows are presently being decided.

"A fool thinks himself to be wise, but a wise man knows himself to be a fool."
-- William Shakespeare, born April 23, 1564.

Follow. But! Follow only if ye be men of valor! For the entrance to this cave is guarded by a creature so foul, so cruel, that no man yet has fought with it... and lived! BONES of full fifty men lie *strewn* about its lair! So! Brave knights! If you do doubt your courage or your strength, come no further, for death awaits you all with nasty, big, pointy teeth...

Killer Bunny
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So, how do you deal with it when there will never be closure or acknowledgement?

Regardless of what it was.

Whether you saw a green alien or watched the CIA execute someone on US soil...

How do you deal with coming to terms with it knowing you'll never have society on your side? That they'd rather believe you're nuts than that it happened.

Has anyone worked through that crap and come out the other side?
 Quoting: TlvmmCpoft


Compartmentalization is the only possibility of surviving such, sanity intact.
 Quoting: Lady Jayne Smith


She tells me after I decompartmentalized...
 Quoting: TlvmmCpoft


hugs
Fate whispers to the warrior

"You cannot withstand the storm"

and the warrior whispers back

"I am the storm"

INTJ:
Independent, original, analytical, and determined. Have an exceptional ability to turn theories into solid plans of action. Highly value knowledge, competence, and structure. Driven to derive meaning from their visions. Long-range thinkers. Have very high standards for their performance, and the performance of others. Natural leaders, but will follow if they trust existing leaders.

Life is karma and karma always reflects both past and present circumstance. Our time here is short, so choose carefully and behave well, for all of your tomorrows are presently being decided.

"A fool thinks himself to be wise, but a wise man knows himself to be a fool."
-- William Shakespeare, born April 23, 1564.

Follow. But! Follow only if ye be men of valor! For the entrance to this cave is guarded by a creature so foul, so cruel, that no man yet has fought with it... and lived! BONES of full fifty men lie *strewn* about its lair! So! Brave knights! If you do doubt your courage or your strength, come no further, for death awaits you all with nasty, big, pointy teeth...

Killer Bunny
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As you said this shit is bigger than you, then why do you feel it necessary to shoulder all of the burden of educating the masses by yourself?
I can only imagine what you have witnessed and wish people to know. I view it as a form of natural selection, those who are smart enough to question everything will find out the truth in all its beauty and horror. Those who aren't will rest in ignorance because they aren't bright enough to ask the right questions.
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There's no doubt that the education of the masses is depressing and probably worthless.

Sometimes I really do just need to get it off my chest. It just sits there lurking under the surface, always. After decades of keeping a perfectly serene exterior through all of that shit, it's just a relief to let the mask crack.

I still regret it when I'm done speaking, but eh, that's why I'm on here asking.
 Quoting: TlvmmCpoft


Well, that's why we're here!
We won't think you're fruitloops.
Many of us can relate deeply, myself included.
I haven't been on the same path as you but a group of ET's have been keeping tabs on my father's side of the family for over 40 years. I witnessed much that I will not even bother speaking about because very few will understand or relate.
I still have alot of repressed memories to uncover and alot of conscious experience memories as well.
I have somehow managed to come to terms with who am I am and remain a functioning person who pretends to fit in with this circus.
I look forward to death, I look at it as my next adventure. I also appreciate my experience here in this body and life as much as I can.
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So, how do you deal with it when there will never be closure or acknowledgement?

Regardless of what it was.

Whether you saw a green alien or watched the CIA execute someone on US soil...

How do you deal with coming to terms with it knowing you'll never have society on your side? That they'd rather believe you're nuts than that it happened.

Has anyone worked through that crap and come out the other side?
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The One Who Dreams is here.

Are you asking how the real deals cope with their psychological issues after carrying out an order for the country, or asking what to do about what you saw?

If it's the former, there's no psychological issues.

Because for second example like you described above, they don't hire people to carry order like those, unless their candidates are well known narcissistic psychopaths with serious mental issues.

You don't want to be around people like them, even as your friends, because they'll never let you know what they're thinking inside.

If it's the latter, there are two possible scenarios.

1. You work for an alphabet agency and asking in this forum what to do.

- You're f###ed.
- Alphabet agencies can tell you who are, within 5 minutes, even if you're behind the multitude of proxy/VPN/remote desktops with scores of DNS leak proof protections.
- They can dig up up your monthly utility bill details within 10 minutes, if you have used the current device (PC or mobile phone) for anything personal in the past.
- Alphabet agencies don't have to go through website mods, because they can track enter and exit node time and dig up your data from ISPs from all around the world and track who ordered what at what time.
- Even if you're surfing from places where they provide free internet access, if your device was used in the past for something else, they can trace you.
- Once the system gets triggered, they automatically create maps of your associations and dig up data on whether you're a spook or not.
- If you are, they take you in for questioning.
- If you're not, you get on their spotlight.

2. You saw something disturbing and you're asking for help here with no association with alphabet agencies.

- You're f###ed.
- You're asking for trouble, because they're probably making a map of association on you right at this moment.

If doesn't matter whether you're an Eskimo living in igloo or a three eyed Martian.

If you grab their attention, then you can say goodbye to your privacy.

I noticed a lot of people were bad mouthing innocent visitors expressing their opinions, because bad mouthers were feeling safe as they were hiding behind the VPNs.

Be careful, because spooks pretend to be those innocent posters on purpose, to turn what they call 'bad people' into their prey.
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So, how do you deal with it when there will never be closure or acknowledgement?

Regardless of what it was.

Whether you saw a green alien or watched the CIA execute someone on US soil...

How do you deal with coming to terms with it knowing you'll never have society on your side? That they'd rather believe you're nuts than that it happened.

Has anyone worked through that crap and come out the other side?
 Quoting: TlvmmCpoft


it eaiser to deal with that stuff than a family suicide. so i would say give it 12 months the FS takes 2-4 years. cheerio
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hf

It's left me in a fucked up place.

I speak to relieve the trauma.
But when I'm done speaking, I'm freaking traumatized by the thought that someone may have actually listened to me speak.
 Quoting: TlvmmCpoft


Do you journal at all? It may be a good way to organize your thoughts and such on what you are dealing with. I found it useful. I wanted to let you know that several years ago you were there for me, as a stranger "out there" only can be for another stranger on the internet. I was dealing with a difficult truth, similar in feel with what you are discussing here, and I ran into you on here and felt you just knew what I was dealing with even though you didnt know any of the details. Funny how I run into you again in a similar situation. Anyhow, round and round we go. Hugs. hf
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I'm glad I could have been there.

My journals... oh lord, my journals. I've tried, but I don't know how much good they've done.

One of my first ones as a teen, before I even had a framework or words from which to describe things, was stolen by a friend and ended up in the hands of a guy writing a book.
Thanks to that, I unwittingly ended up as one of the subjects of one of the original published conspiracy writings out there.
Before I even knew it was a fucking conspiracy.

I'm usually the last to know.

My last one, I left in a bin on the side of the road in a foreign country.
I found it in my luggage again 3 years later in another country.
I have no idea how it got there. Weird as hell.
Maybe I forgot to actually throw it in the bin?
I binned it (again).
Hopefully, this time it stays. It's not something anyone should be crossing borders with.
 Quoting: TlvmmCpoft


I journaled at one time. Tossed mine out in Wash DC at 6th and Penn, right in front of the JW Marriott. Probably ended up in a storm drain. My God, the shit that was in it ....


ETA: Contained nothing to identify me, except maybe some DNA. Whatever ....
 Quoting: Lady Jayne Smith

While I didn't officially toss them out as a personal decision, I lost several of mine, dear to me in a fire late last year, and I do have to say I now wrack my brain wondering what the hell was in them now, very bizarre.
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So, how do you deal with it when there will never be closure or acknowledgement?

Regardless of what it was.

Whether you saw a green alien or watched the CIA execute someone on US soil...

How do you deal with coming to terms with it knowing you'll never have society on your side? That they'd rather believe you're nuts than that it happened.

Has anyone worked through that crap and come out the other side?
 Quoting: TlvmmCpoft


Stop giving a shit about what others think.

The truth is between you and God. No one else need be involved. Your experiences are what make you...you. They are your experiences. Everyone else can pound sand.
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hf

It's left me in a fucked up place.

I speak to relieve the trauma.
But when I'm done speaking, I'm freaking traumatized by the thought that someone may have actually listened to me speak.
 Quoting: TlvmmCpoft


Do you journal at all? It may be a good way to organize your thoughts and such on what you are dealing with. I found it useful. I wanted to let you know that several years ago you were there for me, as a stranger "out there" only can be for another stranger on the internet. I was dealing with a difficult truth, similar in feel with what you are discussing here, and I ran into you on here and felt you just knew what I was dealing with even though you didnt know any of the details. Funny how I run into you again in a similar situation. Anyhow, round and round we go. Hugs. hf
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I'm glad I could have been there.

My journals... oh lord, my journals. I've tried, but I don't know how much good they've done.

One of my first ones as a teen, before I even had a framework or words from which to describe things, was stolen by a friend and ended up in the hands of a guy writing a book.
Thanks to that, I unwittingly ended up as one of the subjects of one of the original published conspiracy writings out there.
Before I even knew it was a fucking conspiracy.

I'm usually the last to know.

My last one, I left in a bin on the side of the road in a foreign country.
I found it in my luggage again 3 years later in another country.
I have no idea how it got there. Weird as hell.
Maybe I forgot to actually throw it in the bin?
I binned it (again).
Hopefully, this time it stays. It's not something anyone should be crossing borders with.
 Quoting: TlvmmCpoft


I journaled at one time. Tossed mine out in Wash DC at 6th and Penn, right in front of the JW Marriott. Probably ended up in a storm drain. My God, the shit that was in it ....


ETA: Contained nothing to identify me, except maybe some DNA. Whatever ....
 Quoting: Lady Jayne Smith


I was half hoping mine would at least make an interesting read for someone...after I had already exited the country and was nowhere near it.

I'm probably fairly identifiable, to some, anyway. When there are only three people in the room and one of them is writing about it, and they're talking shit about the other two, it probably becomes obvious. 1rof1
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Do you journal at all? It may be a good way to organize your thoughts and such on what you are dealing with. I found it useful. I wanted to let you know that several years ago you were there for me, as a stranger "out there" only can be for another stranger on the internet. I was dealing with a difficult truth, similar in feel with what you are discussing here, and I ran into you on here and felt you just knew what I was dealing with even though you didnt know any of the details. Funny how I run into you again in a similar situation. Anyhow, round and round we go. Hugs. hf
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I'm glad I could have been there.

My journals... oh lord, my journals. I've tried, but I don't know how much good they've done.

One of my first ones as a teen, before I even had a framework or words from which to describe things, was stolen by a friend and ended up in the hands of a guy writing a book.
Thanks to that, I unwittingly ended up as one of the subjects of one of the original published conspiracy writings out there.
Before I even knew it was a fucking conspiracy.

I'm usually the last to know.

My last one, I left in a bin on the side of the road in a foreign country.
I found it in my luggage again 3 years later in another country.
I have no idea how it got there. Weird as hell.
Maybe I forgot to actually throw it in the bin?
I binned it (again).
Hopefully, this time it stays. It's not something anyone should be crossing borders with.
 Quoting: TlvmmCpoft


I journaled at one time. Tossed mine out in Wash DC at 6th and Penn, right in front of the JW Marriott. Probably ended up in a storm drain. My God, the shit that was in it ....


ETA: Contained nothing to identify me, except maybe some DNA. Whatever ....
 Quoting: Lady Jayne Smith

While I didn't officially toss them out as a personal decision, I lost several of mine, dear to me in a fire late last year, and I do have to say I now wrack my brain wondering what the hell was in them now, very bizarre.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77250481


Why the need to get others to understand?
What does it matter, if what you say are accepted?
Find like minded. Start something.
It doesn't matter what other people think. There will always be for, and against.
Find out what you really want. If it's talking there Are plenty of people who have experienced.
Who cares if they don't believe you?
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Do you journal at all? It may be a good way to organize your thoughts and such on what you are dealing with. I found it useful. I wanted to let you know that several years ago you were there for me, as a stranger "out there" only can be for another stranger on the internet. I was dealing with a difficult truth, similar in feel with what you are discussing here, and I ran into you on here and felt you just knew what I was dealing with even though you didnt know any of the details. Funny how I run into you again in a similar situation. Anyhow, round and round we go. Hugs. hf
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I'm glad I could have been there.

My journals... oh lord, my journals. I've tried, but I don't know how much good they've done.

One of my first ones as a teen, before I even had a framework or words from which to describe things, was stolen by a friend and ended up in the hands of a guy writing a book.
Thanks to that, I unwittingly ended up as one of the subjects of one of the original published conspiracy writings out there.
Before I even knew it was a fucking conspiracy.

I'm usually the last to know.

My last one, I left in a bin on the side of the road in a foreign country.
I found it in my luggage again 3 years later in another country.
I have no idea how it got there. Weird as hell.
Maybe I forgot to actually throw it in the bin?
I binned it (again).
Hopefully, this time it stays. It's not something anyone should be crossing borders with.
 Quoting: TlvmmCpoft


I journaled at one time. Tossed mine out in Wash DC at 6th and Penn, right in front of the JW Marriott. Probably ended up in a storm drain. My God, the shit that was in it ....


ETA: Contained nothing to identify me, except maybe some DNA. Whatever ....
 Quoting: Lady Jayne Smith


I was half hoping mine would at least make an interesting read for someone...after I had already exited the country and was nowhere near it.

I'm probably fairly identifiable, to some, anyway. When there are only three people in the room and one of them is writing about it, and they're talking shit about the other two, it probably becomes obvious. 1rof1
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I actually have someone elses writing that lived in a bush for a few days outside one of my relatives houses. Somehow I picked up a piece of paper one day because I saw some writing on it and was just curious, then saw the trail to where it came from and knew someone had been staying in the bush. Anyhow it made for an interesting read and I kept it thinking I would incorporate it into a piece of art one day. Congrats on your pin OP.
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I'm glad I could have been there.

My journals... oh lord, my journals. I've tried, but I don't know how much good they've done.

One of my first ones as a teen, before I even had a framework or words from which to describe things, was stolen by a friend and ended up in the hands of a guy writing a book.
Thanks to that, I unwittingly ended up as one of the subjects of one of the original published conspiracy writings out there.
Before I even knew it was a fucking conspiracy.

I'm usually the last to know.

My last one, I left in a bin on the side of the road in a foreign country.
I found it in my luggage again 3 years later in another country.
I have no idea how it got there. Weird as hell.
Maybe I forgot to actually throw it in the bin?
I binned it (again).
Hopefully, this time it stays. It's not something anyone should be crossing borders with.
 Quoting: TlvmmCpoft


I journaled at one time. Tossed mine out in Wash DC at 6th and Penn, right in front of the JW Marriott. Probably ended up in a storm drain. My God, the shit that was in it ....


ETA: Contained nothing to identify me, except maybe some DNA. Whatever ....
 Quoting: Lady Jayne Smith


I was half hoping mine would at least make an interesting read for someone...after I had already exited the country and was nowhere near it.

I'm probably fairly identifiable, to some, anyway. When there are only three people in the room and one of them is writing about it, and they're talking shit about the other two, it probably becomes obvious. 1rof1
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I actually have someone elses writing that lived in a bush for a few days outside one of my relatives houses. Somehow I picked up a piece of paper one day because I saw some writing on it and was just curious, then saw the trail to where it came from and knew someone had been staying in the bush. Anyhow it made for an interesting read and I kept it thinking I would incorporate it into a piece of art one day. Congrats on your pin OP.
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Hard to deal with the lack of accept from 3D? Who wants accept from them. Not me. I'm actually quite happy each time I see I'm out of the box, which they confirm. But I'm also long gone, in terms of seeing things, and not being 3D. You just simply stop care after a while. You find yourself and your own group.
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I'm glad I could have been there.

My journals... oh lord, my journals. I've tried, but I don't know how much good they've done.

One of my first ones as a teen, before I even had a framework or words from which to describe things, was stolen by a friend and ended up in the hands of a guy writing a book.
Thanks to that, I unwittingly ended up as one of the subjects of one of the original published conspiracy writings out there.
Before I even knew it was a fucking conspiracy.

I'm usually the last to know.

My last one, I left in a bin on the side of the road in a foreign country.
I found it in my luggage again 3 years later in another country.
I have no idea how it got there. Weird as hell.
Maybe I forgot to actually throw it in the bin?
I binned it (again).
Hopefully, this time it stays. It's not something anyone should be crossing borders with.
 Quoting: TlvmmCpoft


I journaled at one time. Tossed mine out in Wash DC at 6th and Penn, right in front of the JW Marriott. Probably ended up in a storm drain. My God, the shit that was in it ....


ETA: Contained nothing to identify me, except maybe some DNA. Whatever ....
 Quoting: Lady Jayne Smith

While I didn't officially toss them out as a personal decision, I lost several of mine, dear to me in a fire late last year, and I do have to say I now wrack my brain wondering what the hell was in them now, very bizarre.
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Why the need to get others to understand?
What does it matter, if what you say are accepted?
Find like minded. Start something.
It doesn't matter what other people think. There will always be for, and against.
Find out what you really want. If it's talking there Are plenty of people who have experienced.
Who cares if they don't believe you?
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Not necessarily to get others to understand as much as it is just to find someone who will accept you as you are. Usually that includes sharing to some degree when you exchange conversation, those things come up, especially when they are important to who you are and also important to where you are at in your journey in life. So it isn't necessarily to be understood if that makes sense. The more strange of a life the harder it is to find your tribe, my experience of course. I have accepted I won't find too many of them. I am at the stage where i just say hey if you dont believe it isnt my problem and I move on. I am not out to convince anyone of my truth if they are not willing to see the me as I am. It is easier to be alone and i accept that. You are right, who cares? Wel lI only care if they try to convice me that it can't be believed and I feel they are important to me, but I recently went through this with another person and I literally was hey if you don't believe this then I am sorry, not going to convince anyone of my truth, you either believe or your dont.
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looking at what society is being molded into, why would you even want to bother fitting in, i know its a moot point, but probably most of the people that come here feel like you to varying degrees, cognitive dissonance is a bitch, talkin to anyone mainstream wont help, and if you do make a chink in their brain armour, they will generally shut down, at the end of the day do what makes you happy, and remember, they are on to people like us and they love it when we trip over ourselves trying to make light in the miasma of shit they want us to swim in...just eat a muffin, (wo)man

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I journaled at one time. Tossed mine out in Wash DC at 6th and Penn, right in front of the JW Marriott. Probably ended up in a storm drain. My God, the shit that was in it ....


ETA: Contained nothing to identify me, except maybe some DNA. Whatever ....
 Quoting: Lady Jayne Smith


I was half hoping mine would at least make an interesting read for someone...after I had already exited the country and was nowhere near it.

I'm probably fairly identifiable, to some, anyway. When there are only three people in the room and one of them is writing about it, and they're talking shit about the other two, it probably becomes obvious. 1rof1
 Quoting: TlvmmCpoft


I actually have someone elses writing that lived in a bush for a few days outside one of my relatives houses. Somehow I picked up a piece of paper one day because I saw some writing on it and was just curious, then saw the trail to where it came from and knew someone had been staying in the bush. Anyhow it made for an interesting read and I kept it thinking I would incorporate it into a piece of art one day. Congrats on your pin OP.
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Hard to deal with the lack of accept from 3D? Who wants accept from them. Not me. I'm actually quite happy each time I see I'm out of the box, which they confirm. But I'm also long gone, in terms of seeing things, and not being 3D. You just simply stop care after a while. You find yourself and your own group.
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You are right, and that is where I am at pretty much. Tribe or not tribe I have learned i am ok, fine and ok being alone, but I can't fit into society now that I have become who I am. hiding
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Re: Dealing with the psychological side of witnessing things not accepted by society as possible
You have to just try and see it as a piece of truth that was meant only for you. And understand that you can't blame other people for not being able to level with you on it. Some people even have a professional obligation to not believe you.
Be fortunate and grateful that you got a glimpse at something, even if you may never fully understand it. Most people don't get anything at all, so they live in the Truman show. Is that what you would rather have for yourself?
Probably not.
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hmm...



i'm not sure if you would want to do anything. I would live a long normal life full of goals and inspiration to live in harmony as much as you can . .
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Take your secret knowledge
forge it into a weapon they thought impossible
then dominate them all

ahahahahah
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Truth does not need nor require the approval of or acceptance by anyone, much less society. Truth is Truth, whether anyone believes in it or not, it remains the Truth. And Truth is all too often stranger than fiction, and in this realm of ignorance and untruth, and its earth being the epicentre and epitome in the ignorance of Truth, it is a pointless exercise to expect its residents to acknowledge Truth, much less embrace and incorporate it, as it is all too often an incomprehensible Truth to the physical mind knowledge - so the reality of it is that most cannot even begin to grasp the Truth and its wider implications - most cannot fathom things outside of their perception of but one of the realities relative and subjective to their existence and limited understanding of absolute Truth, not relative to this mental dimension or earthly experience in the physical universe spurious realm.
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For me, I think the issue is in being expected to cover up something that continues to do damage, especially when given the free range of secrecy in which to do so.

So, rather than being a one-time event, it's like watching a never-ending train wreck.
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I have had a few experiences that woke me up to reality.

Back in the late 1990s, I worked on a government proposal with an Old Guy who had been in the Black World.

As we worked, we chatted about our previous jobs. He mentioned that he worked for Ollie North in the period when we were helping the Contras against the Sandinistas.

I had always thought that the accusations against Ollie were pure propaganda and slander.

I innocently asked the Old Guy, "So, Ollie didn't REALLY smuggle drugs to help the Contras, did he?"

My friend looked directly at me and said in a flat voice, "Ollie would do ANYTHING to defeat the communists".

I was shocked and repeated the question.

This time, with a twinkle in his eye, he repeated the answer with more emotion.

I was dumbfounded. A US government guy, an Annapolis grad, a Colonel, no less, smuggled drugs to make money to defeat the commies?

Why would the Old Guy lie? I think he was telling the truth and disapproved as much as I did, but, in that world, you don't ask questions or reprimand the boss.

I have learned that almost anything is possible including a lot of what we never hear even as a rumor.

On the other hand, there are a lot of CTs that are pure BS and it is obvious.

My advice is: If you don't feel that what you saw was moral or right, you should find a way to get the story out without revealing your identity.
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Once you know it, accept it and then let it go.
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Ultimately you come to the know the truth. Then anything else is meaningless.
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Yes. Been Police for 8 years, fireman for 20 and a PI for 20 years. Also had an up close and personal experience with a UFO in the desert, Utah.

Don't make a religion out of it. It meant nothing. Changed me forever, but I didn't go crazy over it. It takes 2.5 years to put it all to the back of your mind.

You can forget about thinking about religion the same way as you did before. That part of your life is over.