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How do Christians not realize Jesus is just Yahweh Jr.?

 
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The NT/Jesus is just a polished version of the OT/Yahweh. Jesus himself constantly says The Father (Yahweh) is in him & vice-versa!


Just because he performs some miracles, says he loves us & pats the little children on the head he is no longer the psycho of the OT?

Consider the bad advice he gives: Resist not evil, let yourselves be abused, invite the abuse & love your abusers?

Seriously?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77439155


Jesus of the New Testament is Yahweh of the Old Testament. The true Father is found in Genesis 1. Yahweh is introduced in Genesis 2, and it is HIS creation that became corrupted by sin. That's why he had to incarnate in a flesh body and take on the sins of the world. That was the necessary recompense.

This is something that theologians and spiritual seekers have never really seen or understood.
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I sometimes wondered about that, because Moses was told in Exodus:

Exodus 23:20-22

20 Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared.

21 Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.

22 But if thou shalt indeed obey his voice, and do all that I speak; then I will be an enemy unto thine enemies, and an adversary unto thine adversaries.


But as for what you said, your way off in Genesis.

In Genesis 1, the 6th Day humanoids are made by the Elohim(plural).

In Genesis 2, Adam is created by the Lord of the Elohim(singular).
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Bullshit, finally.

Believe your desert myths but do not DARE force others to.
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Re: How do Christians not realize Jesus is just Yahweh Jr.?
I follow no church nor human.

Jesus clearly stated He is the Son OF God.

Scripture clearly states that Yehovah is Father God.

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Actually, Jesus clearly stated that He was Yahweh. Yahweh is the Old Testament son of God, Christ is the New Testament Son of God.
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Where in scripture does it say that?

It doesn't.

If you are refering to "before Abraham, I am"...it doesn't mean that He is Yahweh. He's merely stating that He EXISTED BEFORE Abraham.

Here's another time Jesus said "I am"...

John 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
 Quoting: TheLordsServant


I would recommend reading the first two chapters of Genesis, with a concordance if need be. Yahweh is not mentioned at all in Genesis chapter 1, where all things were created good.

Genesis 1:1
In the beginning, God [Elohim] created the heavens and the earth.


That's the TRUE Father God.

(Also, notice in Genesis 1 that all trees were permitted to be eaten from. Compare that fact to Genesis 2 and 3.)

Genesis 2:4 says The LORD (Yahweh) created the earth and the heavens. This is flipped from what is written in Genesis 1:1, where Elohim created the heavens and the earth. This is a clue that creation started to become corrupt at that time.

Also notice in Genesis 2 that Yahweh created the tree of the knowledge of good and EVIL. Evil is not mentioned in Genesis 1, which describes the creation of the Elohim.

Again, Yahweh corrupted creation, put spiritual man into flesh bodies, and sentenced him to return to the dust in death. Because of that, he himself was subjected to incarnating in a flesh body and dying for the sins of his own corrupted creation.

That's also why Jesus does not mention Yahweh by name in the NT, because He Himself WAS Yahweh. Again, when He references the Father, He is referring to the Elohim of Genesis 1, not Yahweh.

This is actually all laid out plainly in Scripture when one deprograms from centuries of erroneous tradition.
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The NT/Jesus is just a polished version of the OT/Yahweh. Jesus himself constantly says The Father (Yahweh) is in him & vice-versa!


Just because he performs some miracles, says he loves us & pats the little children on the head he is no longer the psycho of the OT?

Consider the bad advice he gives: Resist not evil, let yourselves be abused, invite the abuse & love your abusers?

Seriously?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77439155


Jesus of the New Testament is Yahweh of the Old Testament. The true Father is found in Genesis 1. Yahweh is introduced in Genesis 2, and it is HIS creation that became corrupted by sin. That's why he had to incarnate in a flesh body and take on the sins of the world. That was the necessary recompense.

This is something that theologians and spiritual seekers have never really seen or understood.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77124500


I sometimes wondered about that, because Moses was told in Exodus:

Exodus 23:20-22

20 Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared.

21 Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.

22 But if thou shalt indeed obey his voice, and do all that I speak; then I will be an enemy unto thine enemies, and an adversary unto thine adversaries.


But as for what you said, your way off in Genesis.

In Genesis 1, the 6th Day humanoids are made by the Elohim(plural).

In Genesis 2, Adam is created by the Lord of the Elohim(singular).
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76463336


What you refer to as the humanoids in Genesis 1 were actually spiritual beings, representative of man's own divine spirit. It is Yahweh, in Genesis 2, who encased spiritual man into vessels of flesh, and sentenced him to death.

This again is why he was subjected to incarnating into a flesh vessel himself, and dying for the sins of the world. He was ultimately responsible for ALL SIN, and has fulfilled his obligation. The reason that Christ has never returned to this day is because Christians have never realized these things. They keep Christ on the cross through their own faulty doctrines. When they awaken and repent, He will return.
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Re: How do Christians not realize Jesus is just Yahweh Jr.?
Do you even morality bro? Intelligent people know things... Wise people understand. I understand you know some things, now kindly fuck off.
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Re: How do Christians not realize Jesus is just Yahweh Jr.?
The NT/Jesus is just a polished version of the OT/Yahweh. Jesus himself constantly says The Father (Yahweh) is in him & vice-versa!


Just because he performs some miracles, says he loves us & pats the little children on the head he is no longer the psycho of the OT?

Consider the bad advice he gives: Resist not evil, let yourselves be abused, invite the abuse & love your abusers?

Seriously?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77439155


Jesus of the New Testament is Yahweh of the Old Testament. The true Father is found in Genesis 1. Yahweh is introduced in Genesis 2, and it is HIS creation that became corrupted by sin. That's why he had to incarnate in a flesh body and take on the sins of the world. That was the necessary recompense.

This is something that theologians and spiritual seekers have never really seen or understood.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77124500


I sometimes wondered about that, because Moses was told in Exodus:

Exodus 23:20-22

20 Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared.

21 Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.

22 But if thou shalt indeed obey his voice, and do all that I speak; then I will be an enemy unto thine enemies, and an adversary unto thine adversaries.


But as for what you said, your way off in Genesis.

In Genesis 1, the 6th Day humanoids are made by the Elohim(plural).

In Genesis 2, Adam is created by the Lord of the Elohim(singular).
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76463336


Bullshit, finally.

Believe your desert myths but do not DARE force others to.
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To me it is no myth. Due to certain circumstances, I was born with a celestial kick me sign on the back of my head/servant/slave of the Heavenly Father and Christ.

So between Satan's garbage, and getting zapped(severe chastisement over any little thing[worst was when I looked down on someone once/haughty eyes, the Big Guy, really doesn't like that.]), I may not be the most difficult person they had to deal with, but I'm in a malcontent phase atm.

As a child, whole Book's of the Bible where off limits to me(Divine Will), and was dragged through parts of it via life experience. Some of it I came to the same conclusion as other parts of it via inner reflection alone(carved on my heart/soul.)

Going through those experiences, then finally being able to read the Word in it's entirety, it was like "wow", so that acted as iron clad proof for me, but ehh.

You responded to me, so do not DARE tell me what to do.

*When I was orbiting a bit closer, before a mild spiritual burn out, I was in the habit of asking the Heavenly Father questions and he would often answer them.

One of those questions was "how terrifying are you?". Not the dumbest question I asked**, but that night in the dreamscape where I interacted with the Heavenly Father***, I couldn't see him, he was like a giant blur, and it was if I was a small child. He merely chased me as a playful adult would, but, it was really scary, because, well, the Heavenly Father is just that terrifyingly powerful. He is the most powerful and most terrifyingly powerful, being in/out of Creation.

**The dumbest question I asked, wasn't understanding humility, it was to understand jealousy. Before then, I never experienced that emotion before, that caused me alot of problems, but was vital as it forced me to confront other hidden emotions.

***The Dreamscape is always the same. All four times, it was a not dark, but not light place either. It was a semi desolate landscape. Twice when I kind of spoke to him, he was this swirling cloud, it didn't really end well either time though..... The first time, forced me to confront the fact that I simply never had the desire for or against eternal life; and the second time forced me to accept the fact that I repented in existing.

Between Satan's wrath, and the harsh chastisements, it was/is, simply too much for me to handle. To a flayed back, even the softest silk raiment is too much. I'm not Christ; I'm a sinful person, begotten of sinful parents, in a ridiculously sinful society. I suppose what makes it harder, often others will look at me and think me Holy or just think highly of me and it is like "why"? I'm just another person out of billions that is a spiritually destitute sinner.
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Re: How do Christians not realize Jesus is just Yahweh Jr.?
The NT/Jesus is just a polished version of the OT/Yahweh. Jesus himself constantly says The Father (Yahweh) is in him & vice-versa!


Just because he performs some miracles, says he loves us & pats the little children on the head he is no longer the psycho of the OT?

Consider the bad advice he gives: Resist not evil, let yourselves be abused, invite the abuse & love your abusers?

Seriously?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77439155


Jesus of the New Testament is Yahweh of the Old Testament. The true Father is found in Genesis 1. Yahweh is introduced in Genesis 2, and it is HIS creation that became corrupted by sin. That's why he had to incarnate in a flesh body and take on the sins of the world. That was the necessary recompense.

This is something that theologians and spiritual seekers have never really seen or understood.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77124500


I sometimes wondered about that, because Moses was told in Exodus:

Exodus 23:20-22

20 Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared.

21 Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.

22 But if thou shalt indeed obey his voice, and do all that I speak; then I will be an enemy unto thine enemies, and an adversary unto thine adversaries.


But as for what you said, your way off in Genesis.

In Genesis 1, the 6th Day humanoids are made by the Elohim(plural).

In Genesis 2, Adam is created by the Lord of the Elohim(singular).
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76463336


What you refer to as the humanoids in Genesis 1 were actually spiritual beings, representative of man's own divine spirit. It is Yahweh, in Genesis 2, who encased spiritual man into vessels of flesh, and sentenced him to death.

This again is why he was subjected to incarnating into a flesh vessel himself, and dying for the sins of the world. He was ultimately responsible for ALL SIN, and has fulfilled his obligation. The reason that Christ has never returned to this day is because Christians have never realized these things. They keep Christ on the cross through their own faulty doctrines. When they awaken and repent, He will return.
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No, just no. The Humanoids I'm refereeing to, are what we would largely call today "non whites"(I'm just trying to be diplomatic about it). Adam was the first Caucasian; Noah was the first natural blue eyed light skinned Caucasian.

The War in Heaven, was originally over worship. The Angel's felt they deserved to be worshiped by the 6th day humanoids, while the Heavenly Father felt really strongly that he alone deserves worship. Adam's primary task, supposedly, was to be a Priest King, and show them how to worship the Heavenly Father.

In truth, the Heavenly Father regards them as beasts with faces of men, and is just fishing for reasons to destroy them utterly. He won't just destroy someone or groups of people, until they earned it.

That is why, Caucasian's alone, have the genetic material for empathy(empathy gene).

Also, Adam's fall wasn't losing his immortality, it was when he became a lesser being by acquiring the knowledge of good and evil. Before then, Adam was like the Heavenly Father, in that if he seen good, he knew it to be good, if he seen evil, he seen it to be evil.

Once he ate of the forbidden fruit, what it meant to be good, and what it meant to be evil, was internalized in him and Eve.
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false. and No.
or burn the Quran.
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The Quran is the best toilet paper for wiping your ass with.
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Jesus of the New Testament is Yahweh of the Old Testament. The true Father is found in Genesis 1. Yahweh is introduced in Genesis 2, and it is HIS creation that became corrupted by sin. That's why he had to incarnate in a flesh body and take on the sins of the world. That was the necessary recompense.

This is something that theologians and spiritual seekers have never really seen or understood.
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:bullshit:
 Quoting: TheLordsServant

Someone needs to study Genesis Ch ! and John Ch 1 and compare them.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning.

3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

10 He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him.

11 He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him.
12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.


14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

Only those who are being purposely; "Spiritually blind" or
those who are just not, Born of God, will fail to see this.

To those who are His, he has opened the Mysteries of Heaven and the Bible.
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How do Christians not realize that Jesus was just a human, just as we all are (albeit that he was maybe the best human to have ever lived)?
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jesus never mentions yahweh...the tetragrammaton does not appear in the original greek NT...it is added later by jehova witnesses in the part where jesus is tempted in the desert
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actually the name jehova as a pronunciation of the tetragramatton came about from franciscan monks in the 16th century translating from greek to latin...
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Revelation 22:13

"I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end."

Revelation 1:8

"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."

Revelation 21:6-7

Then He said to me, "It is done I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end I will give to the one who thirsts from the spring of the water of life without cost. "He who overcomes will inherit these things, and I will be his God and he will be My son.

Revelation 1:17-18

When I saw Him, I fell at His feet like a dead man And He placed His right hand on me, saying, "Do not be afraid; I am the first and the last, and the living One; and I was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of death and of Hades.
Isaiah 44:6

"Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts: 'I am the first and I am the last, And there is no God besides me Isaiah 48:12

"Listen to Me, O Jacob, even Israel whom I called; I am He, I am the first, I am also the last

Does our heavenly FATHER have a beginning or end?
Did our heavenly Father die?
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The NT/Jesus is just a polished version of the OT/Yahweh. Jesus himself constantly says The Father (Yahweh) is in him & vice-versa!


Just because he performs some miracles, says he loves us & pats the little children on the head he is no longer the psycho of the OT?

Consider the bad advice he gives: Resist not evil, let yourselves be abused, invite the abuse & love your abusers?

Seriously?
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If we are all Gods children why is Jesus the favourite?
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You have this wrong.

Yahweh is not Christ’s father. Yahweh is a tyrant beast, while the true Father is a being of love and light and forgiveness. That is why Yahweh had so many ridiculous rules for J**s, while Christ told people to stop following those laws and stop killing each other for sinning. Yahweh is Allah.

The real God isn’t jealous, and doesn’t use threats of torture to force you into worshipping Him. He waits for you to come to Him willingly. If you ignore Him, He will ignore you, but His blood doesn’t boil in rage whenever someone doesn’t worship Him.

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Because he was the first to be found Faithful and Truth, but is also the last to be found Faithful and Truth.
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(The Twins). The twofold nature of the King.