Easy to read format - Day 5/5 of 'I spent 17 years developing various chemicals for Chemtrails - ask me almost anything' thread from 2012

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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 6323246
I spent 17 years developing various chemicals for Chemtrails - ask me almost anything.
Can't tell you the name of my employers. Nor can I tell you the exact chemical compositions of the mixtures I helped developed. I can answer almost everything else.



were you bugged or followed at any time?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4591296
If I was, I honestly had no idea.

Sounds crazy until you read the recent story about methane plumes venting from the Arctic at levels not seen for millions of years.
Anyway, do you believe he was real or do you think he was a hoax?
Hope you read this and I'm looking forwrd to your response.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3186637
If there are ADCs that have been developed for combating global warming, my lab never played a role in their development.
I spent 17 years developing various chemicals for Chemtrails - ask me almost anything.

OP,
Are you back?
Then one more time, are you that confident?
btw I made a error in calculating the capacity of a KC767 refueler(used water weight instead of JetA weight) comes to 30,000 gallon capacity. So application rates of .03 gallon per acre would be adequate for your ADCs?
OP, thx for playing along...
wait, whole city of Chicago going to the ER? are you that confident of ADC effectiveness?
Quoting: uscrusader1
[This is hypothetical, of course. We were never asked to include any such markers in our final products. But for the sake of the hypothetical situation, it could either be inhaled or absorbed through skin, and you would definitely not want it to send people to the ER. Not if you want the entire city ending up in the ER.
I think I mentioned this before - 0.03 gallons is an irrelevant number, given how much the concentration of the primary compound in a final mixture can vary. But yes, for some of the more concentrated mixtures, this figure is plausible.

did you work in south america?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8426238
No. Our research laboratory was based in the United States.

is it possible your job was just a diversion? created only to muddy waters?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4591296
If my job was a diversion, it would probably be the most expensive diversion in they history of mankind. So my guess is no.

ok, so I will add what I know to the thread.
1. pheromones exist for humans, can be synthesized and work. in small doses.
2. we are very chemical and effected by chemicals around us. I have had a kid regress after vaccination and then also be cured through biomedical intervention with diet and supplements. Homeopathy works.
3. people at the top are idiots..
so given what I know for 1, 2 and 3.. this story is not completely implausible.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4591296
As much as I have tried to keep this thread on topic, I would like to throw in my two cents on homeopathy...any "results" achieved by homeopathy are a placebo effect at best. I'm not going to get into an argument about this, although I'm sure more than one person on these forums would be willing to. I'm just giving my opinion.

Do you think the "calming agents" are the cause of chronic fatigue syndrome?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1015504
Don't know much about CFS, but from what I've read, it's quite possible.
I meant to add that some of the symptoms are eerily similar to what we saw in trial animals.

(from page 11) Can you expand on this please? What symptoms would have been seen in trial animals?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6383062
General malaise, ineffective sleep cycles, orthostatic instability, mood swings, to name a few.

do chemtrails have magnetic properties?
Hpw are they affected when mouns bombard them?
Are chemtrails stable? will they break down after exposer?
Do they need to be kept at a certain temperature until released?
is flouride found in them?
are they released in the planes engine with fuel vapor, or seperate holding tanks?
Why is it that I don't see a release valve on planes? Why don't I see chemicals being loaded onto the plane at the airport?
Do you subject your chemicals to electro magnetic radiation?
How long ago where chemtrails introduced?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7916217
Magnetic properties: Not intentionally.
Stable/break down after exposure: Our projects covered pretty much the whole spectrum in this department. Some chemicals were meant to degrade within 48 hours of deployment. Others were meant to persist in the environment for up to a year.
Temperature: In some cases, yes, storage temperature and pressure were very important.
Fluoride: In the reduced anion form of fluorine (F-)? No.
Are chemtrails released in engines with fuel vapor or separate tanks: None of the projects we ever worked on were intended to be mixed with jet fuel. Everything we developed was meant for standalone deployment.
Why can't you see release valves on planes/see people loading chemicals: No clue. I never played a role in deployment methods. Anything I could offer would be pure speculation.
Did we subject our chemicals to electromagnetic radiation: No.
How long ago were chemtrails introduced: I answered this earlier. In short - crop dusting was routine by the 1930s. My guess is that it didn't take long for people with power and money to realize that the same methods could be used on people rather than plants. This is also speculation - I wasn't alive in the 1930s.

Op: Why now? Why did you decide to 'somewhat' disclose now? In 2012? I mean, with all that is happening around the world, economies collapsing, governments out of control including our own, the military industrial complex in full swing, the weaponization of space. The list goes on and on.
It's like you know something, or at the very least dread something awful is about to happen. How lucky for you that you have situated yourself in a somewhat safe place - does this mean you are planning on surviving some catastrophe? Would your speaking up a few years ago have made a difference? I believe it would have.
You say 'good luck' with going after the government - is this because of the hidden government? If enough of the populace all around the world united for this cause, then things could change, no? Or, are you disclosing now because we have passed a point of no return and it doesn't much matter for you anymore?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1337468
I chose to disclose now because I only found out about the GLP forums within the past year. Until then, I had not found any public forum that might believe what I had to say. I think you are over dramatizing things.

OP: is there some food/substance that could help us neutralize, restore balance to our body chemistry (and well being in general) after being affected by chemtrails (i know you were doing lots of different mixes)?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8428733
Not that I can think of. Try not to waste your money on so called "de-tox" kits - 99% of these are complete bullshit.

OP I have a question?
Would you say the affects of the agents you were delivering too humans would cause symptoms of illness that then could be "cured/symptoms reduced" by another agent like a (pharmaceutical)?
Also related did you ever work on projects that would cause reactions based on specific chemicals in blood?
if say for instance someone was on certain pharmacy drugs or even illegal drugs, like THC?
Quoting: Fallen
ADCs causing symptoms that could be "cured/reduced" by another agent: Very possible.
Projects causing reactions based on specific chemicals in blood: Yes. Not for anything related to illegal drugs as you suggested, though.

OP you said in the beginning of the post that these chemicals could be inhaled, absorbed, or ingested, my question is, are they only being sprayed? What I mean by that is, is it possible that some of these chemicals are being put in our food, water supply, or possibly even put into lotions and other products that people are using?
Just seems that there are so many ways to get these chemicals into our bodies.
Scary
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8435408
Every chemical mixture my laboratory worked on was meant to be deployed aerially. In some cases, however, bodies of water were the target rather than direct contact with humans.

Hi OP, you said in a earlier post that if you used moisturizer or hand lotion, your skin will become dependent on it.
How do you break such a dependency? Just stop using it? But will your skin return to normal eventually, or is it forever fucked?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8438832
Hello. I suppose this was sort of off topic when I posted it, and I only remembered this tidbit from an undergraduate biology course. But from what I understand, abstaining from further use of lotions will eventually lead to your skin producing its own natural oils. But your skin will be dry for quite some time after quitting. However, you can find some products that will not cause this effect in the first place.

Is there a 'detox' for the chemicals you are are aware of that you could advise?
Thnx.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1273422
Not that I know of, no. Most detox kits I've read about say they will purge your colon, remove THC from your adipose tissue, etc. In other words, they all target specific chemicals in specific tissues. In general, these are actually more effective than kits that promise some sort of miracle "full body detox". But as far as protecting/detoxing against the multitude of chemicals you may be exposed to...no, nothing comes to mind.

(from page 11) Can you expand on this please? What symptoms of CFS would have been seen in trial animals?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6383062
General malaise, ineffective sleep cycles, orthostatic instability, mood swings, to name a few.

so youre just trying to piss off the general public now?? ok I believe you there are less expensive ways...have your people call mine
Quoting: exiled1
These are all described symptoms of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome that we saw in test animals during trials of this project. I'm not sure I understand what you're saying.
Since you are up to this page on replies...

What did you think of your colleagues given the knowledge of what you were creating together?
Cheers.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1273422
What was initially a very awkward work environment eventually gave way to the general sense of professional camaraderie found in most offices. I probably thought no less of my co-workers than they did of me. When I first started, it was at the same time as a few others in their late twenties/early thirties. At that time, there were also a handful of people in their fifties - we looked up to them. They strode the lab like giants. As I eventually filled that role, and when a new group of twenty-somethings was hired, the role reversal felt interesting.
Sorry, I might have gone off on a tangent from your original question. I had respect for nearly all of my colleagues.

This is some bored 30 something dork dude without a date drinking enough mountain dew to dissolve a manatee while lapping up some attention.
Glad you got it man....we all deserve to get what we want...and I guess these suckers on your string are getting what they want too!
Live it up dude...chemtrails are real...but I don't believe you have anything to do with 'em!
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8332850
That's fine. You're absolutely entitled to your opinion. It's not like I've never met such skepticism when attempting to explain my career. And yes, I used to live in a city. Now I live in a cabin. I moved out here two months after retirement. Hardly see any planes now. It's nice. And I further explained my views on so-called "detox kits" in a later post. Please read it.

OP, what do you do to protect yourself from the effects of chemtrails?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8399248
I live in a remote area. That is all
Hardly a diversion.
Much can be learned from failed lab assignment results, just as with successful lab asignments.

The 'non-toxicity' sounds legit as well during the nascent development stage of a new technology. You don't want human populations running to the ER's citywide, or freaking out with psych attacks in the middle of the street during (the inevitable) trial deployments over cities.
I'd guess this OP's lab(one of many compartmentalized) was in business to help R&D the 'system' of ADC deployment for some agency(mr. big). Sure OP did projects for paying clients because corp's write this off as R&D $, they get a useful(profit to them) chemical, and maybe the 'agency' gets another ADC step forward.
In as much as the OP's lab got paid generously for it's ADC development, I often wonder what the city of Chicago is getting reimbursed for actual human trials over it's population of 10 million.
Quoting: uscrusader1

is it possible your job was just a diversion? created only to muddy waters?
If my job was a diversion, it would probably be the most expensive diversion in they history of mankind. So my guess is no.

fwiw, ADC chems are bad, biologicals are worse.
With 10,000,000 germs per gram a .03 gallon per acre dosage would result in 1 germ per cubic foot of air... from ground level to 30,000 feet!
flu anyone?
[This is hypothetical, of course. We were never asked to include any such markers in our final products. But for the sake of the hypothetical situation, it could either be inhaled or absorbed through skin, and you would definitely not want it to send people to the ER. Not if you want the entire city ending up in the ER.
I think I mentioned this before - 0.03 gallons is an irrelevant number, given how much the concentration of the primary compound in a final mixture can vary. But yes, for some of the more concentrated mixtures, this figure is plausible.

I spent 17 years developing various chemicals for Chemtrails - ask me almost anything.
OP, you may have answered before. . . .please excuse me if you have. . . In a recent GLP Poll . . . (see below) almost 54% of the voters feel that CHEMTRAILs are persistent while contrails are not. . . In Your Opinion. . . Could the addition of the class of chemicals you worked with . . .make any of the visible trails from aircraft more persistent. . . if so, would the persistence have been significant? . . .
If you have already answered the above question or something similar . . . Could I ask you. . . How would you have voted in the poll below?
POLL: CHEMTRAILs are what???
4) CHEMTRAILs are persistent trails, contrails are not persistent 53.8% (133)
2) all trails in the sky are contrails, CHEMTRAILs don't exist 17.4% (43)
3) some trails in the sky are CHEMTRAILs but most trails are contrails 14.2% (35)
5) CHEMTRAILs nor contrails need be visible, visibility is coincidental 6.9% (17)
1) all trails in the sky are CHEMTRAILs, contrails are a subset of contrails 5.7% (14)
6) CHEMTRAILs are very rare but are occasionally seen 2.0% (5)
Blank (View Results) (58)
Non-Blank Votes: 247
Quoting: George B
I would have answered #3 and #5 - the two are not mutually exclusive. Answer #4 is a common misconception. Answer #2 is a naive denial. Answer #1 is simply not true. Answer #6 is overly optimistic.

Hello OP, and thank you for answering questions related to your career.
I have one question.
Could/would you think back through all the chemical products your lab was asked to create/test and list a simplified chart of
1. the chemical name
2. the intended effect
3. successful or not
If you feel this would identify you then please disregard the request.
And the old woman inside me can't help but offer you a last comment. Please accept it for consideration.
All humans on earth are guilty of our own ignorance. None have been fully informed.
Quoting: soulsurvivor
Sorry, but creating such a compilation and releasing it publicly would go way too far beyond the level of specificity that I feel comfortable with.

Hello,
The people or organization that funded this work seems very private and have have alot of resources. Your shop doesn't sound cheap even being one so small.
Also it is reassuring that the scientists had some ethics regarding working on project that would overtly do harmful.
The work and interactions with the customer seems so compartmentalized as well. Also seems to aid plausible dependability. Especially when it seems the work were not FDA approved and such. Did did you ever wonder about these factors? It all seems to spit on 'knowledge is power' to some level.
Were any research data and records ever available to aid future projects? I imagine aspects from past research would be helpful.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 502821
There were cases where it was blatantly obvious that we were being contracted by people who had employed us in the past. Even to the point of them giving us our old lab notebooks from previous projects back, if they thought they would help with the newer project. But in most cases, we could only use retained knowledge from previous projects to help us with similar projects in the future.
No - we never heard results about any of our products. Probably related to plausible deniability. We could only speculate as to final results based on our animal trials.
Al2O3 - No.
Advice - Please see earlier in the thread. I realize this has drawn on pretty long and it might be hard to find that specific response, so I'll give you a brief answer. I'm pretty pessimistic about "getting this stopped". Writing a letter to your congressman isn't going to help. Going to the media isn't going to help unless you have solid, undeniable proof.
Goodnight all. Not sure why I came back here, even after I said I was done. But I'm not sorry that I have.
Judging by my employment experience, the people contracting our work go through great lengths to keep what they do hidden from the general public. Extreme amounts of compartmentalization, even by industry standards. I highly doubt many, if any, congressmen know. I would also speculate that only the upper echelon of the military is aware, if that.
Yes, I know for a fact that some of my co-workers felt extremely guilty. Especially over time. Even more guilty than myself.
There must be people who are aware of what they are doing that load/service these systems of aircraft. I do not know any such people, but it seems like they must exist.
Yes, I currently smoke Marijuana. I grow it myself. I have no clue as to whether it's reported medicinal properties are true, although from what I've read, raw ingestion is not the way to go. It makes me feel good and helps me forget the past.
Yes, we worked on products involving anti-depressant effects. These projects were generally easy - most of the time we would use chemicals similar if not identical to prescription medications, and merely adapt them to aerial dispersal.
That's my plan (checking back from time to time). I've jumped back and forth between abandoning this thread because of the numerous tangents that have spun off, as well as hateful posts directed at me. But there are still relevant questions being asked. So I will probably continue to lurk and answer questions that I feel are worthwhile.
On certain mixtures, temperature can play a major role. But we never designed chemicals with certain climates in mind.
Wind patterns can be used to aid dispersal. I.e. deploying a more concentrated mixture when there is a lot of wind between dispersal level and ground level will enhance dispersion but lower end point concentration. But in the end it is up to the contractor as far as when, where, and under what conditions they use our products.
I don't want to get in to the details of the details of the most dangerous compound we gave final approval on. It wasn't extremely toxic by any means, but it still bothered me that we didn't declare it a failure.
Yes, we conducted all animal trials in house. Symptoms/results varied greatly depending on the project at hand. Some results took minutes to manifest. Others, nearly the entire lifetime of the test animal.
All tests were conducted using aerosol dispersion of the mixture, as this is how it would be deployed in the field.
Fatal effects were common. If these fatal effects were too common, despite attempts to rectify these effects, the project would be declared a failure. Yes, our first route following fatal trials would be to decrease dosage and observe whether we still obtained the desired effects without the previous levels of fatality.
We never worked on anything that I would want utilized on me without my knowledge.
Do I think anyone important has seen this thread? I don't know.
Do I think people in charge monitor this site? I don't know. To some extent, I hope not.
Do I worry about my safety? Sometimes, yes. Most of the time no. My life has been an adventure. It is out of my hands to determine when it ends.
Millions/billions: The investment of our contractors, per project, was likely somewhere between eight or nine figures ($10,000,000 to $999,999,999).
Yes, it was made very clear to us from day one that "going public" would not be in our best interest. This was extremely stressful at first, but these stress levels actually decreased the longer we worked at our lab. They started to increase again as I neared retirement, but this proved to be unfounded.
Yes, I can think of a few colleagues of mine that did indeed have families that knew some details of what they did for a living, and wanted them to consider a change in career. Sorry, just realized I misread your question. But, yes, many of my colleagues worried that the mixtures they developed might end up being used on their loved ones.
Time to hit the sack. AC 459 has asked some very good questions, some which I haven't answered yet. I'll try to get to these tomorrow. Good night all

let this be a taste for others working in the chem business....
this is what will happen to you...
you will end up...addicted to alcohol and speaking to all the people you helped torment...unwillingly i might add...
a surrealist purgatory..
a prep of things to come....when you get to the other side...
karma...
Quoting: mr...bojangles

I doubt all roads involving a degree in chemistry end like mine.
Haven't checked this in a few days...anyone have anymore new or original questions? Or should we call this thing dead.

It's nice to see that there is some genuine appreciation for what I've been doing on this message board. It seems like replies have been split between people telling me I'm going to hell, people calling me a fraud, and people with genuine interest in my past.

Never had any interactions with US military. If they ever contracted the services of our lab, I never knew. Like I've said in previous posts, the entire system was extremely compartmentalized. Never had any clue who we were conducting research for.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if foreign militaries were looking into the same sort of research that we were conducting for our contractors.
No one outside of our small group of employees were ever in our lab, except for a few exceptions. Never any politicians. I'd imagine that would be quite a risk for them, especially given the number of security cameras we had in the lab.

Interesting that the guy(in the video) looking for funding this was going to use the flu as the carrier. With a minimum of 10 million virus per gram - ADC coverage/density would be at least 1 virus per cu foot of air, to 30,000 feet altitude.
Pentagon Eugenics Alter DNA to breed out Religious impulses via FunVax Vaccinations and Aerosol Spraying
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 502821
OP,
Sound about right? Can you add any more details or speculation.
I'll have to watch the video first. Also, I'm not sure why you keep asking me register on this site. Do you have an ulterior motive?

Last Edited by uscrusader1 on 06/13/2019 06:50 PM