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My father served in the infantry in Patton's Third Army in France. He said the thing that bothered him the most after the war was the fact that he was sent to France to kill the best that Europe and the white race had to offer. He said when he saw the Wehrmacht in action and face to face as prisoners, he knew they were fighting a brother war at the behest of TPTB. He said everything we learn about WWII from the Establishment historians is utter bullshit. Even Patton ended up concluding that America was doing the dirty work of some evil international entity in destroying Germany's finest:


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Are you SERIOUSLY telling us that you would have preferred a Nazi and Hitler victory?

Really??
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Over the Soviet Union ... hell, yes!
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My father served in the infantry in Patton's Third Army in France. He said the thing that bothered him the most after the war was the fact that he was sent to France to kill the best that Europe and the white race had to offer. He said when he saw the Wehrmacht in action and face to face as prisoners, he knew they were fighting a brother war at the behest of TPTB. He said everything we learn about WWII from the Establishment historians is utter bullshit. Even Patton ended up concluding that America was doing the dirty work of some evil international entity in destroying Germany's finest:


 Quoting: Dr. Rendezvous




Are you SERIOUSLY telling us that you would have preferred a Nazi and Hitler victory?

Really??
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13089866


Those who ended up behind the Iron Curtain sure would have.
In his poem Human Pride, Marx admits that his aim is not to improve the world, reform or revolutionize it, but simply to ruin it and enjoy it being ruined:

With disdain I will throw my gauntlet full in the face of the world,
And see the collapse of this pygmy giant whose fall will not stifle my ardor.
Then will I wander godlike and victorious through the ruins of the world
And, giving my words an active force, I will feel equal to the Creator.
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[link to der-fuehrer.org]

[link to www.fpp.co.uk]

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[link to www.jrbooksonline.com]

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Come back in a few weeks, when you've finished learning and then voice you're opinion on Adolph Hitler.
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What, after they've gotten in some pro-Vatican antisemitic brainwashing?

The REAL enemy of the world is in Rome.
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My father served in the infantry in Patton's Third Army in France. He said the thing that bothered him the most after the war was the fact that he was sent to France to kill the best that Europe and the white race had to offer. He said when he saw the Wehrmacht in action and face to face as prisoners, he knew they were fighting a brother war at the behest of TPTB. He said everything we learn about WWII from the Establishment historians is utter bullshit. Even Patton ended up concluding that America was doing the dirty work of some evil international entity in destroying Germany's finest:


 Quoting: Dr. Rendezvous




Are you SERIOUSLY telling us that you would have preferred a Nazi and Hitler victory?

Really??
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13089866


Over the Soviet Union ... hell, yes!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75946352


+ 1
In his poem Human Pride, Marx admits that his aim is not to improve the world, reform or revolutionize it, but simply to ruin it and enjoy it being ruined:

With disdain I will throw my gauntlet full in the face of the world,
And see the collapse of this pygmy giant whose fall will not stifle my ardor.
Then will I wander godlike and victorious through the ruins of the world
And, giving my words an active force, I will feel equal to the Creator.
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My father served in the infantry in Patton's Third Army in France. He said the thing that bothered him the most after the war was the fact that he was sent to France to kill the best that Europe and the white race had to offer. He said when he saw the Wehrmacht in action and face to face as prisoners, he knew they were fighting a brother war at the behest of TPTB. He said everything we learn about WWII from the Establishment historians is utter bullshit. Even Patton ended up concluding that America was doing the dirty work of some evil international entity in destroying Germany's finest:


 Quoting: Dr. Rendezvous




Are you SERIOUSLY telling us that you would have preferred a Nazi and Hitler victory?

Really??
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13089866


Those who ended up behind the Iron Curtain sure would have.
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LOL! Are you kidding? They'd all be DEAD.
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These guys won WW2.

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Yep.
In his poem Human Pride, Marx admits that his aim is not to improve the world, reform or revolutionize it, but simply to ruin it and enjoy it being ruined:

With disdain I will throw my gauntlet full in the face of the world,
And see the collapse of this pygmy giant whose fall will not stifle my ardor.
Then will I wander godlike and victorious through the ruins of the world
And, giving my words an active force, I will feel equal to the Creator.
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My father served in the infantry in Patton's Third Army in France. He said the thing that bothered him the most after the war was the fact that he was sent to France to kill the best that Europe and the white race had to offer. He said when he saw the Wehrmacht in action and face to face as prisoners, he knew they were fighting a brother war at the behest of TPTB. He said everything we learn about WWII from the Establishment historians is utter bullshit. Even Patton ended up concluding that America was doing the dirty work of some evil international entity in destroying Germany's finest:


 Quoting: Dr. Rendezvous




Are you SERIOUSLY telling us that you would have preferred a Nazi and Hitler victory?

Really??
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13089866


Over the Soviet Union ... hell, yes!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75946352


+ 1
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How is it a "+1" for the world to trade one tyranny for another?

Trade the Soviets for a Nazi Europe and a Pacific dominated Japanese empire?

Seems more like a NO WIN to me.

Not a "+" ANYTHING.
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My father served in the infantry in Patton's Third Army in France. He said the thing that bothered him the most after the war was the fact that he was sent to France to kill the best that Europe and the white race had to offer. He said when he saw the Wehrmacht in action and face to face as prisoners, he knew they were fighting a brother war at the behest of TPTB. He said everything we learn about WWII from the Establishment historians is utter bullshit. Even Patton ended up concluding that America was doing the dirty work of some evil international entity in destroying Germany's finest:


 Quoting: Dr. Rendezvous




Are you SERIOUSLY telling us that you would have preferred a Nazi and Hitler victory?

Really??
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13089866


Those who ended up behind the Iron Curtain sure would have.
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LOL! Are you kidding? They'd all be DEAD.
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Baloney. Understand that you're also including (East) Germans in that statement.
In his poem Human Pride, Marx admits that his aim is not to improve the world, reform or revolutionize it, but simply to ruin it and enjoy it being ruined:

With disdain I will throw my gauntlet full in the face of the world,
And see the collapse of this pygmy giant whose fall will not stifle my ardor.
Then will I wander godlike and victorious through the ruins of the world
And, giving my words an active force, I will feel equal to the Creator.
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I smell lots of fascist socialism scum right now in this thread.

Look we kicked your kraut asses and we'll do it again if we have to, don't ever forget it.

You damn guns just dont know how to live free.
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I smell lots of fascist socialism scum right now in this thread.

Look we kicked your kraut asses and we'll do it again if we have to, don't ever forget it.

You damn guns just dont know how to live free.
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Yeah, OK, Shlomo, whatever you say.
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One of my uncles was in the 11th Infantry, Company G, he never talked about it, except when he was dying he showed us a Luger he kept and told us how it came into his possession. At his funeral, there was a display of 15 medals with his casket.

I've been trying to trace his steps, but it's difficult, especially with receiving conflicting info from the other elders in the family. He either served under Patton, or they linked up with Patton sometime after D-Day. Reading his letters, I know they crossed a river, but so far I don't know if it was the Rhine, the Sauer, or somewhere else.

It's odd that the 11th isn't listed on some history pages, the lists jump from the 10th to ... (somewhere much farther down the list). So far, I assume some of the info was lost in the big fire at the NPRC archives in July 1973 at St. Louis. The National Archives estimates that about 80 percent of Army/Air Force military service records were lost in the fire.

I'm starting over again in my search, previously I was under the impression he served with the 101st Airborne, but the letters prove otherwise. Just started reading last week.
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This one?

In 1939, the 11th joined the 5th Division at Fort McClellan, Alabama. In April 1941 one company of the 11th each were among the first US forces to garrison the new bases at Bermuda and Trinidad, established under the Destroyers for Bases Agreement with the United Kingdom.

In 1942 the regiment deployed to Iceland and remained there for 15 months until the regiment, and the division, moved to England. The regiment landed in Normandy on 10 July 1944 and fought its way across France as part of the 5th Infantry Division, which was assigned to General Patton's famed Third Army. The 11th Infantry played a prominent role in the reduction of the fortified city of Metz in the fall of 1944. During the Battle of the Bulge, the 11th counter-attacked into the southern portion of the Bulge, engaging the Germans in bitter winter fighting. On 22 March 1945, the 1st Battalion made a night river assault across the Rhine River at Oppenheim, giving General Patton a division bridgehead over the Rhine two days ahead of Field Marshal Montgomery's famous crossing. The 11th Infantry ended the war in Czechoslovakia.

Shortly after its return from the European Theater of Operations, the regiment was retired.

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]
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Thanks for finding that! I had been skipping over links to wiki. I'll compare with his letters, of course he was very vague in writing about dates and locations. He did say he was wounded when they crossed the river, a Purple Heart among the medals, which nobody ever mentioned until his funeral.

Much of that sounds accurate, my uncle would have joined the Army just after Pearl Harbor. He was 17 and fibbed about his age, a Signalman, so he carried a 40# radio as well.

My uncle did say they entered one of the concentration camps, either as liberators, or after the fact. Some day I hope to have all info confirmed and chronicled.

OP, I read your wiki link too. Were you able to retrieve the lost records, or your father provided info?

As a teen, I wore his Eisenhower jacket for a long time, long hair and all. Only thing he ever said about it all - "War is no game.", the day all us kids were playing army off the front porch when he arrived.
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Dont confuse 11th regiment with 11th division when doing research. Divisions jump up in number after 10. He was not in 11 div. 11th reg u say.
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I smell lots of fascist socialism scum right now in this thread.

Look we kicked your kraut asses and we'll do it again if we have to, don't ever forget it.

You damn guns just dont know how to live free.
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Yeah, OK, Shlomo, whatever you say.
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And this thread shows just why there must and WILL be another WW!
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One of my uncles was in the 11th Infantry, Company G, he never talked about it, except when he was dying he showed us a Luger he kept and told us how it came into his possession. At his funeral, there was a display of 15 medals with his casket.

I've been trying to trace his steps, but it's difficult, especially with receiving conflicting info from the other elders in the family. He either served under Patton, or they linked up with Patton sometime after D-Day. Reading his letters, I know they crossed a river, but so far I don't know if it was the Rhine, the Sauer, or somewhere else.

It's odd that the 11th isn't listed on some history pages, the lists jump from the 10th to ... (somewhere much farther down the list). So far, I assume some of the info was lost in the big fire at the NPRC archives in July 1973 at St. Louis. The National Archives estimates that about 80 percent of Army/Air Force military service records were lost in the fire.

I'm starting over again in my search, previously I was under the impression he served with the 101st Airborne, but the letters prove otherwise. Just started reading last week.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77719245


This one?

In 1939, the 11th joined the 5th Division at Fort McClellan, Alabama. In April 1941 one company of the 11th each were among the first US forces to garrison the new bases at Bermuda and Trinidad, established under the Destroyers for Bases Agreement with the United Kingdom.

In 1942 the regiment deployed to Iceland and remained there for 15 months until the regiment, and the division, moved to England. The regiment landed in Normandy on 10 July 1944 and fought its way across France as part of the 5th Infantry Division, which was assigned to General Patton's famed Third Army. The 11th Infantry played a prominent role in the reduction of the fortified city of Metz in the fall of 1944. During the Battle of the Bulge, the 11th counter-attacked into the southern portion of the Bulge, engaging the Germans in bitter winter fighting. On 22 March 1945, the 1st Battalion made a night river assault across the Rhine River at Oppenheim, giving General Patton a division bridgehead over the Rhine two days ahead of Field Marshal Montgomery's famous crossing. The 11th Infantry ended the war in Czechoslovakia.

Shortly after its return from the European Theater of Operations, the regiment was retired.

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]
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Thanks for finding that! I had been skipping over links to wiki. I'll compare with his letters, of course he was very vague in writing about dates and locations. He did say he was wounded when they crossed the river, a Purple Heart among the medals, which nobody ever mentioned until his funeral.

Much of that sounds accurate, my uncle would have joined the Army just after Pearl Harbor. He was 17 and fibbed about his age, a Signalman, so he carried a 40# radio as well.

My uncle did say they entered one of the concentration camps, either as liberators, or after the fact. Some day I hope to have all info confirmed and chronicled.

OP, I read your wiki link too. Were you able to retrieve the lost records, or your father provided info?

As a teen, I wore his Eisenhower jacket for a long time, long hair and all. Only thing he ever said about it all - "War is no game.", the day all us kids were playing army off the front porch when he arrived.
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Dont confuse 11th regiment with 11th division when doing research. Divisions jump up in number after 10. He was not in 11 div. 11th reg u say.
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11th div didnt really fight in WW2...11 reg fought as described above.
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I smell lots of fascist socialism scum right now in this thread.

Look we kicked your kraut asses and we'll do it again if we have to, don't ever forget it.

You damn guns just dont know how to live free.
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Yeah, OK, Shlomo, whatever you say.
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And this thread shows just why there must and WILL be another WW!
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The question is who/what country will the j ews get to fight their war for them. Can they still pull that off? Are people still so sound asleep and as easily manipulated as they were in 1941?

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The Nazi-loving shitbags on this thread claim that it was all "bullshit".

There was no Eugenics "Master Race" program.

There was no Josef Mengele.

There was no SS death cult.

There was no Gestapo.

There was no Josef Goebbels.

There was no Heinrich Himmler.

There was no Nazi A-Bomb program, almost successful, with the goal of bombing the USA into submission.

There was no Operation Paperclip, where hundreds (maybe thousands) of Nazi scientists were imported to the USA, after the war.



If the Nazis had won, that means the United States (and all of Europe and Eurasia), and most of the world, would have lost.

There would BE no balance of power, but ONLY hard line tyranny worldwide.

What this comes down to, is the same old thing it ALWAYS comes down to.

Holocaust denying J w hatred.


And this is coming from someone who detests Communist even more than I hate Nazis. And someone who is not only not Jewish, but Christian.

Your enemy resides in ROME. And it has since 538 AD.
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ALL roads lead to Rome.
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The Nazi-loving shitbags on this thread claim that it was all "bullshit".

There was no Eugenics "Master Race" program.

There was no Josef Mengele.

There was no SS death cult.

There was no Gestapo.

There was no Josef Goebbels.

There was no Heinrich Himmler.

There was no Nazi A-Bomb program, almost successful, with the goal of bombing the USA into submission.

There was no Operation Paperclip, where hundreds (maybe thousands) of Nazi scientists were imported to the USA, after the war.



If the Nazis had won, that means the United States (and all of Europe and Eurasia), and most of the world, would have lost.

There would BE no balance of power, but ONLY hard line tyranny worldwide.

What this comes down to, is the same old thing it ALWAYS comes down to.

Holocaust denying J w hatred.


And this is coming from someone who detests Communist even more than I hate Nazis. And someone who is not only not Jewish, but Christian.

Your enemy resides in ROME. And it has since 538 AD.
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Nice list of straw-man arguments.
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The Secret Masonic Victory of WW2

Western Freemasonry and their Masonic funded Eastern Communist friends won World War 2.

Everything we see today stems from that Jewish Masonic victory.

All Freemasons in politics know the aim is a one world communist utopia.

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ALL roads lead to Rome.
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Or London/Paris/New York.

What if the ol' Zio-Vatican are working TOGETHER???
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The Secret Masonic Victory of WW2

Western Freemasonry and their Masonic funded Eastern Communist friends won World War 2.

Everything we see today stems from that Jewish Masonic victory.

All Freemasons in politics know the aim is a one world communist utopia.

[link to thesecretmasonicvictoryofww2.tv (secure)]
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This ^^^.
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over 50k germans were murdered by communists in poland the month following hitler invading in 1939.

Hitler didnt declare war on the allies, France and UK declared war on germany over poland but not russia even though they invaded poland too, and then handed poland over to the communists after the war.

Hitler was at war with J-ish bolshevism, which murdered tens of millions in eastern europe before ww2 started.

Hitler made numerous peace offers with the allies, which were all rejected.

invasion of russia was a preemptive strike.

US was sending billions of aid to UK and Russia to fight against germany, thus declaration of war.

oh yeah and the holocaust is a lie
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Germany declares war on the US and the US should ally with Germany; trust the words of a madman (Hitler) and a holocaust denier; says it all.
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Germany declared war on the US because of the Tripartate pact they had with Japan. Now you know why the FDR administration allowed Pearl Harbor to be attacked.
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clappa
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What was the reason for the rise of Hitler ?

Germany's loss of colonial territories, as a result of the Versailles treaty from june 28, 1919, in Africa alone 1/3 the size of USA or 10 times the size of present day Germany.
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Well, the outcome of WW2 was fantastic for the colonized peoples of Asia and Africa. It is not by accident that India got independent in 1947, 2 years after the end of WW2. Other Asian countries were liberated from European colonialism few years earlier by Japan. About a decade later after WW2 Africa got decolonized. Asians and Africans benefited from the outcome of WW2. USA too, that became a superpower and gained control over the global economy and the global reserve currency.
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My father served in the infantry in Patton's Third Army in France. He said the thing that bothered him the most after the war was the fact that he was sent to France to kill the best that Europe and the white race had to offer. He said when he saw the Wehrmacht in action and face to face as prisoners, he knew they were fighting a brother war at the behest of TPTB. He said everything we learn about WWII from the Establishment historians is utter bullshit. Even Patton ended up concluding that America was doing the dirty work of some evil international entity in destroying Germany's finest:


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My grandfather never wanted to talk about the war,ever.

I have spoken with many folk's in my age group, within 10 years both ways, and they ,too, say the same thing. Their grandparents never wanted to talk about the war.

I personally believe that its more than just the blood and guts of war, its because many of them knew what had happened to the Germans and were ashamed of it.

They knew the wrong enemy was defeated as they all came back home and saw things clearly for what they were.
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My grandfather never wanted to talk about the war also, and even people I knew from the Vietnam war would talk about the shit they saw.

I personally think its a mixture of seeing shit that no man should ever have to do, being forced to do shit that no man would be able to forgive himself from doing and seeing friends that you care about being killed before your eyes. Then when you get back home nobody understands why you are broke and you must pretend that everything is okay just like everyone else.
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All propaganda. Germany was anti-colonial and wanted back the lands which were historically always German. The finance world declared war on Germany because there is no room for a skim when a sovereign engages in direct barter.
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No, it's not propaganda (what I wrote). You can also see by my post that you quoted that I found a lot to admire in Nazi Germany. However, it's not black or white. There was a lot of black and grey and the Nazis did some terrible things. Hitler most certainly wanted to colonize Slavic lands such as western Russia and Ukraine and settle them with Germans overseeing Slavic labor. He saw that as a benefit for Germany (products for the Reich) and something that would uplift the colonized Slavs. Those not needed for work were intended to be deported to Siberia. While so many Russians suffered under communism, they did NOT want to be colonized by Germans and a hatred against the Nazis exists to this day because of the invasion of the USSR. My position is that Germany could have led by example by staying within their own borders and making Germany a spectacular model. Being that that National Socialism was both socialist and collectivist, such an example could have won over those enslaved by communism but who still related to socialism and collectivism (very European ideologies, unlike the US). It's foolish, no matter how you admire anyone, to be blind to their mistakes and evil that exist(ed) along with what was good or extraordinary. The Nazis embodied the full spectrum.
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Perhaps you can mention what the "terrible" things the Germans did? And while you're at it, since you seem to know a lot about WW2, maybe you could also mention the "terrible" things the Polish, Russian, and Americans did.

Now, as for Lebensraum. Its true that Germany had plans for a greater living space for Germany. He did say certain things about the Slavs, the Mongolian type, later he was to recant on his comments regarding the majority of the Russians, as he later found out about them from close associates and adjutants.

You do realize that there were hundreds of thousands, if not millions of other men from other nations, including Russia, who helped the Germans in the Wehrmacht and SS divisions ,fighting Bolshevism.

I think many of the millions of Russians would have had much better lives under Germany, than they did under Stalin and those before him.

This is why so many of them greeted the Germans, housed and feed them, when the arrived.

I could go on and on here but I think this should suffice for the time being. If you want to learn more about, you can find out more. Read some books, and watch some films.

You can start here.

www.twofilms.tv
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You're arguing with someone who mostly agrees with you. I simply don't see things in black and white (I mentioned a millions Germans being killed AFTER the war and the Eisenhower camps). Yes, I know that many welcomed the Germans and AFAIC, NOTHING approached the scourge of communism and the atrocities of the Bolsheviks. That doesn't mean that I'm not going to acknowledge terrible acts by the other side. Please show me any war where atrocities weren't committed by everyone. And, while I loathe communism, if you were a partisan and had family killed by the opposition, do you not realize your perspective would be different? That's all I'm saying. Invading other countries is wrong and, in this case, it unleashed hell on Germany and the German people. In spite of the great achievements made in such a short period, doom was the result and it was because of wrong actions. I'm not even talking about the concentration camps, btw, and I'm a holocaust denier.
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Fair enough.
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The Nazi-loving shitbags on this thread claim that it was all "bullshit".

There was no Eugenics "Master Race" program.

There was no Josef Mengele.

There was no SS death cult.

There was no Gestapo.

There was no Josef Goebbels.

There was no Heinrich Himmler.

There was no Nazi A-Bomb program, almost successful, with the goal of bombing the USA into submission.

There was no Operation Paperclip, where hundreds (maybe thousands) of Nazi scientists were imported to the USA, after the war.



If the Nazis had won, that means the United States (and all of Europe and Eurasia), and most of the world, would have lost.

There would BE no balance of power, but ONLY hard line tyranny worldwide.

What this comes down to, is the same old thing it ALWAYS comes down to.

Holocaust denying J w hatred.


And this is coming from someone who detests Communist even more than I hate Nazis. And someone who is not only not Jewish, but Christian.

Your enemy resides in ROME. And it has since 538 AD.
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I downloaded that clip. The music in the background is good.

Germans could have caused much more harm to Normandy landings if they had moved their panzers earlier to good positions from the reserve.

The invasion of England in the early stages of the war could have given an advantage for Germans to control the Atlantic.

How would WW III had ended if Germany would have mass produced the air superiority fighter that they cancelled.
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The building of More U-boats and the relocation of those already stationed in the Norwegian sea, back into the Atlantic, in the early stages of the war 1940-1943 would have stopped any invasion of France, and more than likely would have made Britain surrender, as no goods would have made it to the Island.
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It wouldn't have helped. The balance of power was changing as Allied ships sunk declined and U-boats sunk increased. May 1943 was known as "Black May" because Germany lost 25% of their operational U-boats in just that one month. There were simply too many Allied ships and aircraft patrolling and the Allies were sinking U-boats faster than they could be built.

On the other hand the British blockade of Germany was very successful and just like in WWI Germany with few natural resources struggled.
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As the war advanced Germany was up against huge, overwhelming forces.

Three superpowers. Soviet Union, USA and the British Commonwealth(including Canada, Australia, India etc.)
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Not to mention the fact the Blitzkrieg across all of Europe and into Northern Africa, in two years, definitely made some of those mighty men, very tired. Plus, two brutally cold , harsh Russian winters played a pivotal role in their demise. Adolph should have really thought it over, but he knew time was not on their side and Bolshevism wasn't going to wait.
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Hitler was really his own worst enemy. He had the Allies by the balls at Dunkirk but let them go, according to Martin Bormann, because he felt a kinship with their superior genetic upbringing. Hitler actually admired Britain and did not want war with them. As the situation progressed, German patriots like Rommel came to realize that Hitler was a greater threat to Germany than the Allies. Hitler's fundamental mistake was conjuring up Germanic Paganism as an answer to the horrific conditions facing Germany following Versailles.
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It was a fatal military blunder at Dunkirk. They came back against Germans at the beaches of Normandy in 1944. It might have been a gracious gesture by Hitler to let them slip but it was naive. You can not do that in war, if you want to win the war.
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The myth is often repeated, but Hitler's Halt Order only applied to the German tanks which needed maintenance after their journey fighting from Germany to the English Channel. The Luftwaffe continued to attack the Dunkirk pocket nonstop and Hitler's Halt Order was only from May 24-26 1940. Everyone including General Gort thought the BEF at Dunkirk was doomed.
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The Russians did the vast majority of the fighting against the Germans in WWII. Probably 75 to 80%.

Hahahahaha That’s not to downplay the absolute sacrifice, courage, and bravery of the Western front Allied troops. But facts are facts.
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Bullshit. The Russians fought almost exclusively a defensive war on their own soil against Germany. It was fierce. It was also only in the east. The Allies fought Germany everywhere else, Africa, Italy, Norwegian countries, Greece, the oceans, the air, West Europe on 6-6-44, and then moved across Europe to the east to conclude the war.
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The Soviets fought mostly a defensive war on their own soil because Nazi Germany invaded them and they had to defend their land and slowly push the Germans back to Germany. But the Soviet Union killed more German soldiers, destroyed more German tanks and shot down more German planes that all the other Allies combined. They destroyed most of the elite German units. By the time the Western Allies stormed the beaches of Normandy the German military was a shadow of its former self. The Eastern Front was a real meat-grinder with horrific losses by both sides.
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I think my grandfather's brother had the same reaction.

He was highly decorated, but he threw his uniforms, medals, and everything in the garbage. All he would say was that the whole damned war was a load of shit and the Nuremberg Trials were a kangaroo court.

He wouldn't have anything to do with the VFW or anything.
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over 50k germans were murdered by communists in poland the month following hitler invading in 1939.
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Let me guess, you are so ignorant you don't even realize Poland wasn't communist?

Hitler was at war with J-ish bolshevism, which murdered tens of millions in eastern europe before ww2 started.
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By the time of WWII most of the Bolsheviks were gone from the Soviet Union due to Stalin's purges. And since communism is anti-religion it is always a sign of a stupid person when they say things like J-ish Bolshevikism.

Hitler made numerous peace offers with the allies, which were all rejected.
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Not true, but it really wouldn't matter as Hitler showed the world if Adolf Hitler gave you his word it didn't mean jack shit. British PM Neville Chamberlain met with Hitler and Munich and came away with the Munich Agreement where Germany was given the Sudetenland portion of Czechoslovakia (which had never been part of Germany) in exchange for Hitler's word that Germany had no more territorial ambitions in Europe. Of course 6 months later the German army rolled into the rest of Czechoslovakia. And just 6 months after that Germany invaded Poland starting WWII.

No peace offers were rejected because no one trusted Hitler enough even to consider anything he offered.

invasion of russia was a preemptive strike.
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Surprise, that isn't true either. LOL The Soviet Union was in no shape to attack Germany. The Red Army had invaded Finland and pretty much gotten their asses kicked with Finland only making peace when they were about out of ammo.


Why is it neoNazis are so fucking stupid?