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Dangers of Brainwave Entrainment

 
issa
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I overdid it with a program called I-Doser, for hours at a time, days on end.

There's nothing wrong with any holosync, hemisync, bi-audio brainwave enhancement.

You can overdo drinking and start vomiting blood.
This doesn't mean we shouldn't drink a glass or two of red wine every few days.



I've used Holosync for about a year now. I have always followed the directions on use, because I believe the warnings on over-use. Reading this post makes me glad I didn't disregard them!

Although I never went beyond the prescribed usage, while using the first level, I did use the program rigorously and push the usage to the max. Then I had a period of time that I discontinued use and looking back, I can see where the heavy usage was causing problems in my life.

I don't want to get into the "problems" here, because they will only become a topic of debate and I will end up having to justify things. However, I equate using Holosync to using weights to exercise. They both tear things down. And so that muscles or brain matter can rebuild stronger, rest is needed. Over use only inhibits the program.

I personally have received great benefit over time with brain entrainment and I think if used properly it can be helpful. I understand as one poster said, that this is SPAM, however, this can be used a honest feedback for someone looking in to this technology.

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I am looking for anyone who have a weird case like mine. A month ago, the lure of binaural music have caught up with me and I just gave it a try. Nothing wrong with listening to harmless music, or so I think.

I put the headphones on, laid down on the matted flooring ( one I use for meditation ) and just listened. I fell asleep faster than I used to. What a great feeling when I woke up... until my hands brushed my face. I saw blood. My nose is bleeding severely. I panicked and run to the bathroom, tried washing it. It stopped after 3-4 minutes.

It was my first nose bleed for this year. It's impossible I have knocked myself off while sleeping. I'm lying on the floor. No sharp objects around me and my nails are clean cut.

So, I'm guessing... it can be the binaural music? This really freaked me out. unforgettable..
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Hay I just wanted to say I have been using I-doser for several weeks and especially the 5HTP and it just makes me sleepy. The Quick Happy Dose will make you ALERT!! and you will feel it working through your body (of course through your brain to get the sensations).. I also went to the Hemi-Sync website and bought the "GATEWAY" hemi-sync cd it actually has 6 waves and comes with 3 cd's each 1 hour long and costs 99.00 with tax it's 109.00... this is cool stuff and it works... you do have auditory experiences and out of body projection and it seems to heighten ALL SENSES!! you know things are there when you cannot see them.... it's really strange how our brains work and we only use 30% or less of our brains so messing with the other percentage will bring big shock to your mind... also I suggest buying "KUNDALINI the AWAKENING it opens up all CHAKRAS and you experience stuff that does not seem possible.. you must be careful when opening up all chakrasbecause once there open there IS NO TURNING BACK!!! for those of you who freak out easily... this is a cd you play with headphones as well as the hemi-sync gateway experience. Idol1



I have got 2 new cd's that everyone might like they are:::
BMV Quantum Subliminal Mystic Visionary Seer..and the other is::: The Mysterious Mind Meditation.. both of the cd's are binaural beats, music, with ULTRASONIC subliminal messaging they do work I have been using them now for 2 weeks....
I posted a new thread earlier but cannot find it and the damn thing is SOOOO LONG!!! I hate to have to type what I wrote again but I know it will be helpful so I guess I will have to type it again anyway....

First of to tell you about "me" I am a swimsuit model and I do magazine layouts and t.v. and I also am a member of:::
O.T.O(ORDO TEMPLI ORIENTIS) but I practice alone at home 4 nights a week doing EXTREME ritual magick.. which means my mind and body have to be in tune altogether.... No ONE should ever F*&*&*ck around and abuse binaural beats because once you open up full Kundalini THERE IS NO CLOSING IT!! it STAYS OPEN AND THATS THAT!!! it will mimic chronic fatique syndrom, depression, ADD and all sorts of other illnesses tat will be misdiagnosed by doctors and will lock you up in a mental institution if your not careful.. They will load you up with meds YOU DON'T need and will never work because you don't have any illness they think you have.. They will diagnose phycosis and all sorts of B.S. because they won't be able to pinpoint what the true cause is.. AND BELIEVE ME! there are spiritual forces that are aware of you tapping into higher conciousnessand just because you might not believe in demonic entities does not mean they are not there THEY DO BELIEVE IN US!!! TRUST WHAT I AM SAYING I invoke these entities doing my rituals... so if you abuse the binaural beats and any other brain entrainment you are opening yourself wide open to things you will not comprehend... I get scared all the time but I only use them when needed (cd's)Just imagine if I showed up for a shoot with dilated eyes!! and freakin out on stuff no one else could see!! I WOULD LOSE MY JOB!!.. you must ahve respect for unknown realities.. Our reality and what we see is so miniscule its like a spec of dust compared to whats really there in our unseen world.. opening our minds to greater knowledge comes with a greater price to pay but KNOWLEDGE IS POWER! so you must be able to enjoy that power and not lose your mind at the same time...
Agnus.. whomever told you to smoke weed...DON'T DO IT!!! it will only fog your mind and won't let it heal... Listen to the cd's I listed and you can drink a glass of Kendall Jackson Chardonnay which is a dry white wine and only 12 dollars a bottle and only if you are 21!!!! years old or older and drink the glass while relaxing and sitting down to listen to your cd's to help you calm your mind..You do not want sweet wine because of the sugar in it and it will give you a bad headach afterwards because of this... so only get dry white wines and red's have alot of histimines in them which will cause stuffy nose and headache while relaxing to these cd's (or any other's you choose)..
Remember do not EVER repeatedly listen to binaurals hours on end Agnes because if you do become crazy you would be better off on an island eating bananas and coconuts if you are sane enough to be able to open them!!!! then having to go to a mental hospital... and POSSESSION IS REAL!! folks.. it does happen and the symptoms you explained could very well be possession whether no one wants to believe it or not... and it is not FUN! and it takes a long time to get over and sometimes you never get over it.....EVER!!!!!!!!!!!
believe what I am saying for your own sake.... I do know.
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any questions I will be glad to answer and also EVERYONE..check out the website MIND CONTROL 101 you will get free PDF'S on all mind control stuff!!!!!! it is priceless info!!! you get new PDF'S sent to your e-mail address every day or so with EXACT INSTRUCTIONS!!!
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OK I'm starting to feel better today.

Appetite is returning, stuff is not smelling gross anymore. Convulsions are easing and easier to control consciously. Hypnogogic hallucinations / subconscious projections still assaulting me but letting up. Waking trance (or what I think is waking trance) not as intense. Zombified feeling going away. Normalcy and mental clarity returning. Vile rushes up my spine and sensation of skin burning subsiding, too. Strobing / flashing vision going down. It comes and goes, but is better. Pupils still dilated like crazy.

Found someone who used to sell entrainment products but now crusades against them after suffering similar symptoms to mine (though to a lesser degree). He told me not to listen to it anymore, that I would probably have flashbacks for a while, and that the symptoms would ease and eventually go away. His name's Jeremy Greene and his warning page is here:

[link to www.geocities.com]

This is no joke. This stuff CAN BE dangerous, and I'm SURE that not everyone whose had adverse affects was as stupid as me or was in poor health.
 Quoting: Agnes 260634


I just wanted to put out my experience. I started listening to Theta brainwaves starting in July of 09 ,I then incorporated Delta tapes into the mix beginning of August. Started to experience in mid September the projections from my subconscious which caused mid night terror and anxiety in the daytime. I have anxiety and depression to beginning with. I did see flashes of purple too, but they were not as troublsome as the other things that I mentioned. Id like to know anything you might have to to help yourself get better. PS. I didnt not abuse the entrainment. 20 mins daily and trying to fall asleep to the Delta with headphones for a few hours at night. I just pray that I feel myself soon
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I want to share a horrific experience that should serve as a warning to anyone using or considering using binaural beat brainwave entrainment.

I overdid it with a program called I-Doser, for hours at a time, days on end. I ended up the other night with convulsions that are still keep coming back. I am still tripping. My pupils are still dialated. I was unable to control the projections from my subconscious (those images and thoughts you see and get while falling asleep) for some time. I keep getting these terrible rushes through my nervous system, and it's not relenting. I am experiencing tremors, sleep disturbances, exhaustion, inability to sleep, mood swings, scattered mind, auditory distortions, hypnogogic hallucinations, and sheer terror. I was extremely scared that I would die.

I issued a warning to the I-Doser forum and it was deleted. I posted another warning and soon after it too was deleted and I was banned. This, needless to point out, is highly suspect. I am still not sure what will happen to my brain and body, if there will be permanent damage, and if I will ever feel quite right again.
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Another problem which can occur with any type of meditation is acidental kundalini awakening. This happened to some in the 1960's and 1970's. There was a book about it titled "Kundalini, Psychoses or Transcendence" by Lee Sanella M.D.
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I want to share a horrific experience that should serve as a warning to anyone using or considering using binaural beat brainwave entrainment.

I overdid it with a program called I-Doser, for hours at a time, days on end. I ended up the other night with convulsions that are still keep coming back. I am still tripping. My pupils are still dialated. I was unable to control the projections from my subconscious (those images and thoughts you see and get while falling asleep) for some time. I keep getting these terrible rushes through my nervous system, and it's not relenting. I am experiencing tremors, sleep disturbances, exhaustion, inability to sleep, mood swings, scattered mind, auditory distortions, hypnogogic hallucinations, and sheer terror. I was extremely scared that I would die.

I issued a warning to the I-Doser forum and it was deleted. I posted another warning and soon after it too was deleted and I was banned. This, needless to point out, is highly suspect. I am still not sure what will happen to my brain and body, if there will be permanent damage, and if I will ever feel quite right again.
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aimed at smiles the poster I am actually lookin to fix a similar issue but it is much more complicated than yours. So I can help you. All you have to do is learn to meditate without the entrainment crap and you will naturally get back into your flow. The entrainment has programmed your brain to do things in a unnatural state of mind so you need to defrag your brain of that bad programming. Just use meditation like breathing, visualizing, hold your body in a position and hold it, and chant something associated with what your visualizing. You may want to chant and visualize the words I am normal or thank you god. I'd do thank you god but that's just me
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aimed at smiles the poster I am actually lookin to fix a similar issue but it is much more complicated than yours. So I can help you. All you have to do is learn to meditate without the entrainment crap and you will naturally get back into your flow. The entrainment has programmed your brain to do things in a unnatural state of mind so you need to defrag your brain of that bad programming. Just use meditation like breathing, visualizing, hold your body in a position and hold it, and chant something associated with what your visualizing. You may want to chant and visualize the words I am normal or thank you god. I'd do thank you god but that's just me
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There is nothing about AVE that "programs" your brain for anything. I would hope people are wise enough to research this kind of thing BEFORE you do it! There are contraindications for using AVE competently and correctly.
As a psych student I have investigated this area quite thoroughly. If you had the reaction you claim, you should be seeing a doctor, period. If convulsions were triggered you need medical evaluation for epilepsy and related disorders.
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I feel for the ppl who are having these negative effects that would be horrible I-doser does come with a reset program that sets your brain waves back to normal waking state and if more entertainment isn't the thing for you then meditation will work but it will take time and lots of energy if all else fails see a doc not worth the risk
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Sounds like a seizure. Something that synchronizes brain firing sounds like a candidate to cause one. Strobe lights cause intoxication effects for most but for some cause seizures. I'd imagine the effect is similar. People can feel quite sick and out of it after seizures.
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i know that I-Doser can be fun...but people have died from it! yes DIED! it was on "1000 Ways To Die" the other day....a man died by listening to it and all of his organs exploded.... so if you say its safe you are wrong
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Your all just being pussies. Idosing is the shit. Don't be a sissy.
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i know that I-Doser can be fun...but people have died from it! yes DIED! it was on "1000 Ways To Die" the other day....a man died by listening to it and all of his organs exploded.... so if you say its safe you are wrong
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I want to share a horrific experience that should serve as a warning to anyone using or considering using binaural beat brainwave entrainment.

I overdid it with a program called I-Doser, for hours at a time, days on end. I ended up the other night with convulsions that are still keep coming back. I am still tripping. My pupils are still dialated. I was unable to control the projections from my subconscious (those images and thoughts you see and get while falling asleep) for some time. I keep getting these terrible rushes through my nervous system, and it's not relenting. I am experiencing tremors, sleep disturbances, exhaustion, inability to sleep, mood swings, scattered mind, auditory distortions, hypnogogic hallucinations, and sheer terror. I was extremely scared that I would die.

I issued a warning to the I-Doser forum and it was deleted. I posted another warning and soon after it too was deleted and I was banned. This, needless to point out, is highly suspect. I am still not sure what will happen to my brain and body, if there will be permanent damage, and if I will ever feel quite right again.
 Quoting: Agnes 260148


Sorry to hear about your experiences. i've been listening to hemi-sync for a few years now. Also other programs to heighten/open different senses. It has worked well for me and in more ways than you might believe. i've never heard of i-doser . Maybe something else is going on with the problems your having?

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I would suggest not using brain-machines either. I actually developed a sophisticated user-programmable brain-machine that had 4 leds per eye and hemisync sounds.

Of course the technology works, but it is like banging your head with a hammer. Brain is a very delicate system and gets messed up easily. Let's say ... if you are a zombie then this technology is the right tool for you.
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I want to share a horrific experience that should serve as a warning to anyone using or considering using binaural beat brainwave entrainment.

I overdid it with a program called I-Doser, for hours at a time, days on end. I ended up the other night with convulsions that are still keep coming back. I am still tripping. My pupils are still dialated. I was unable to control the projections from my subconscious (those images and thoughts you see and get while falling asleep) for some time. I keep getting these terrible rushes through my nervous system, and it's not relenting. I am experiencing tremors, sleep disturbances, exhaustion, inability to sleep, mood swings, scattered mind, auditory distortions, hypnogogic hallucinations, and sheer terror. I was extremely scared that I would die.

I issued a warning to the I-Doser forum and it was deleted. I posted another warning and soon after it too was deleted and I was banned. This, needless to point out, is highly suspect. I am still not sure what will happen to my brain and body, if there will be permanent damage, and if I will ever feel quite right again.
 Quoting: Agnes 260148


Maybe a brain massage can help?
I always do this after an entrainment session to get the hypnotic feeling out.

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An excess of anything is dangerous. Even water can kill you if you drink too much.
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"trying to fall asleep to the Delta with headphones for a few hours at night."

NEVER EVER DO THAT.

Watch this once a week

[link to www.quantumk.co.uk]

Do not abuse it this time.
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Please everyone, this is extremely serious. I urge you to tell everyone you know not to use this technology.
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yeah man i wouldnt fuck with that shit. you should have just meditated, you jumped into a pool without knowing how to swim.
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The technology is binaural beat induced brainwave entrainment. I-Doser is the product that has made me so sick. I was stupid to want to use it, because it attempts to emulate the effects of drugs. I know I was stupid, abused it, and I am ashamed. There were no clear warnings of possible long-term side effects. I had no idea that this could happen. Online, people chirpily promote entrainment as if it were the absolute best and safest thing in the world. I finally found a few reports of adverse effects. Some people experienced symptoms like my own. If you do want to pray for me, you are welcome. I am very desperate and afraid. My body is still convulsing involuntarily and I don't understand what is causing it. It's not like taking real drugs. It programs your brain to recreate those states and I really did myself in by programming too much and the WRONG combination. Please don't use this technology.
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That's shitty you had that happen. Ive experimented with both 12 and 40hz frequencies and Ive had profound marks in change of heartbeat (especially with the 40mhz frequency. Ive a condition w/ the natural pacemaker in my heart so that it beats slightly faster than it should at times and doesnt keep a steady pace. That, plus anxiety... it sucks). But, the 40hz frequency has calmed my mind and my heart in ways no medication has ever done for me. Sorry that you had a bad experience...

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i know that I-Doser can be fun...but people have died from it! yes DIED! it was on "1000 Ways To Die" the other day....a man died by listening to it and all of his organs exploded.... so if you say its safe you are wrong
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Yes. Because you saw this on the TV it is true... whatever
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I thought I was getting better but today started seeing things (dark spots) darting around.
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dude thats a side effect of meditation, in the west they call it the ether. basically you messed with something you were not ready for, opening the third eye to see the ether and the spirits in it usually takes a couple of years of practice with a guru/master.
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You need to ground yourself. Try sitting outside for a while on the dirt. You need to do grounding meditations without music too.
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I would advise extreme caution if you are considering using binaural technology like Holosync, especially if you suffer any mental illness. Whilst Centerpointe's (Holosync) advertising on line is always very persuasive and full of promises of success, the product is dangerous for people with more severe mental problems such as schizophrenia or bi-polar. Why? Because with Holosync and similar technologies, your brain is artificially stimulated to move to ever slower brain wave frequencies, similar to those attained in deep meditation by experienced meditators. The difference is that you have no control over this process and your mind is not involved, whereas traditional meditation requires an effort and a concentration of the mind. Why would this make a difference? Because your mind will only present to you stressful subconscious material that you can handle as it's prime function is your mental, emotional and physical safety. Steady, traditional meditation is a controlled process. Holosync and other binaural technologies are not. By forcing your brain waves into the frequencies of deep meditation without any control by you and without years of practice for that experience, you can literally open a Pandora's Box of repressed material without the safety of subconscious mind control. That is why so many letters from users reveal some very painful and stressful experiences. Should some of your repressed material be of a serious nature that has been causing severe mental problems you run the very real risk of exacerbating those problems leading to psychosis or worse.
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If you're telling the truth, this is no different than someone who psychedelically activated their system, you are experiencing kundalini rushes.

Tone it down a bit if you want to go back to normal.

It will come in waves there is no quick fix.
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I brainwave entrain and have no issue. But I dont brain wave for hours or days. Another thing, a stroke is blood flow deficency to the brain, not elf beats tick tocking in your head.

STOP DRINKING MOUNTAIN DEW and you should be ok. What you describe happening is your systems overloaded on sugars or other nervouse system stimulent.

Of course, you could have opened the synaptic door to another reality and your brain is triing to cope as it comes down from that juiced state of hyper-bolic distortional brainwave entrapement.

If you look at people and they begin to shape shift, tell us which does you used so we all can get there.

STOP worring, you'll be fine. Lay off the skittles, soda, candy, mcdonalds and chips for a day or two.
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Hi , guys im new to all this , im researching first, is self-hypnosis, kinda of like the same ? i use it for auto-suggestion only? what about the software neuro-programmer 3, the do show like strobe lights,? is that also dangerous?yeahsure
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The technology is binaural beat induced brainwave entrainment. I-Doser is the product that has made me so sick. I was stupid to want to use it, because it attempts to emulate the effects of drugs. I know I was stupid, abused it, and I am ashamed. There were no clear warnings of possible long-term side effects. I had no idea that this could happen. Online, people chirpily promote entrainment as if it were the absolute best and safest thing in the world. I finally found a few reports of adverse effects. Some people experienced symptoms like my own. If you do want to pray for me, you are welcome. I am very desperate and afraid. My body is still convulsing involuntarily and I don't understand what is causing it. It's not like taking real drugs. It programs your brain to recreate those states and I really did myself in by programming too much and the WRONG combination. Please don't use this technology.
 Quoting: Agnes 260148


Energy, your experiencing waves of energy. You need to stop being afraid and let go if you want my real advice.