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Or not.

Did you know that the intelligence community regularly recruits from political prisoners, both foreign and domestic, ie some of the people who hate the country and people the most?

Or did you think life got this fucked up on its own?

...maybe I'm asking the first question.

How did you think it got this bad?

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Yes, I went there.
I even got the t-shirt while I went there.
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The use off moral relativism at the expense of some absolute principles hasn't helped in my opinion and experience.
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The use off moral relativism at the expense of some absolute principles hasn't helped in my opinion and experience.
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Mhm.

I'm loyal to where I stand...and anywhere I might someday want to go back to, but that's another story.

The use of prisoners used to horrify me on so many levels and from so many perspectives.

First, it's a dangerous game putting the criminals in charge.

Some of the older domestic ones in the US were responsible for the bombing of government buildings - with people inside - via the Weather Underground, i.e. some of the first US domestic terrorists. Why the fuck would you want them in charge of what and who they were trying to bomb?

Then, it's essentially a "stay here and rot or do what we want" work release program - not entirely ethical, reeks of slavery.

I don't see how it is good for anyone involved, at all, on any level, from any angle.

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It's not even good for the mindset of the citizens. They can feel something isn't right.

So, you've got -

Psychopaths with government access.
Known terrorists with government support and funding.
Exploitation of prisoners.
An unstable nation.

...and most people with their head stuck in the sand because no matter how much the politicians may seem corrupt, they still trust that their government wouldn't have gone that far or been that asinine.

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The use off moral relativism at the expense of some absolute principles hasn't helped in my opinion and experience.
 Quoting: Larry D. Croc


Mhm.

I'm loyal to where I stand...and anywhere I might someday want to go back to, but that's another story.

The use of prisoners used to horrify me on so many levels and from so many perspectives.

First, it's a dangerous game putting the criminals in charge.

Some of the older domestic ones in the US were responsible for the bombing of government buildings - with people inside - via the Weather Underground, i.e. some of the first US domestic terrorists. Why the fuck would you want them in charge of what and who they were trying to bomb?

Then, it's essentially a "stay here and rot or do what we want" work release program - not entirely ethical, reeks of slavery.

I don't see how it is good for anyone involved, at all, on any level, from any angle.
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Buzzy Fine at the university in Madison, Wisconsin?

I am in Delaware after all. He was from here.
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The use off moral relativism at the expense of some absolute principles hasn't helped in my opinion and experience.
 Quoting: Larry D. Croc


Mhm.

I'm loyal to where I stand...and anywhere I might someday want to go back to, but that's another story.

The use of prisoners used to horrify me on so many levels and from so many perspectives.

First, it's a dangerous game putting the criminals in charge.

Some of the older domestic ones in the US were responsible for the bombing of government buildings - with people inside - via the Weather Underground, i.e. some of the first US domestic terrorists. Why the fuck would you want them in charge of what and who they were trying to bomb?

Then, it's essentially a "stay here and rot or do what we want" work release program - not entirely ethical, reeks of slavery.

I don't see how it is good for anyone involved, at all, on any level, from any angle.
 Quoting: TlvmmCpoft


Buzzy Fine at the university in Madison, Wisconsin?

I am in Delaware after all. He was from here.
 Quoting: Torchie


Possibly. Has he spent the past few decades influencing the youth, heading grassroots organizations, being politically involved, being an "activist," spending too much time overseas, or the like?
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Nudging this to under the pin-pocalypse.
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Nudging this to under the pin-pocalypse.
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I so got buried under more than half a page of pins.

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Ya'll are too busy focusing on UFOs and pedos, eh?
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Are you procrastinating on GLP while masturbating on Pornhub or is multitasking not ur thing?
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Are you procrastinating on GLP while masturbating on Pornhub or is multitasking not ur thing?
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That's more your thing, I think ohno
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The use off moral relativism at the expense of some absolute principles hasn't helped in my opinion and experience.
 Quoting: Larry D. Croc


Mhm.

I'm loyal to where I stand...and anywhere I might someday want to go back to, but that's another story.

The use of prisoners used to horrify me on so many levels and from so many perspectives.

First, it's a dangerous game putting the criminals in charge.

Some of the older domestic ones in the US were responsible for the bombing of government buildings - with people inside - via the Weather Underground, i.e. some of the first US domestic terrorists. Why the fuck would you want them in charge of what and who they were trying to bomb?

Then, it's essentially a "stay here and rot or do what we want" work release program - not entirely ethical, reeks of slavery.

I don't see how it is good for anyone involved, at all, on any level, from any angle.
 Quoting: TlvmmCpoft


Buzzy Fine at the university in Madison, Wisconsin?

I am in Delaware after all. He was from here.
 Quoting: Torchie


Paul Soglin was the mayor of Madison for a long, long time.
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The use off moral relativism at the expense of some absolute principles hasn't helped in my opinion and experience.
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Mhm.

I'm loyal to where I stand...and anywhere I might someday want to go back to, but that's another story.

The use of prisoners used to horrify me on so many levels and from so many perspectives.

First, it's a dangerous game putting the criminals in charge.

Some of the older domestic ones in the US were responsible for the bombing of government buildings - with people inside - via the Weather Underground, i.e. some of the first US domestic terrorists. Why the fuck would you want them in charge of what and who they were trying to bomb?

Then, it's essentially a "stay here and rot or do what we want" work release program - not entirely ethical, reeks of slavery.

I don't see how it is good for anyone involved, at all, on any level, from any angle.
 Quoting: TlvmmCpoft


Buzzy Fine at the university in Madison, Wisconsin?

I am in Delaware after all. He was from here.
 Quoting: Torchie


Paul Soglin was the mayor of Madison for a long, long time.
 Quoting: Larry D. Croc


Try to blow up the government - become the government.
And no one bats an eye.

You'd think there would be mechanisms in place to deter that, not support and finance it.
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Fucked up by design.

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Fucked up by design.

Question: When you look out your window, is what you see beautiful? Yes/no/why?
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I can see the ocean over a series of villas.

If those fuckers had anything to do with city planning here, I'd be looking at a pile of burning rubbish.
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I've had a lot of time to contemplate it over the years and a two of my theories behind "why" have been:


1. The department is actually patriotic at its core (or was) and didn't want to send upstanding US citizens into dangerous jobs, so risked foreign and domestic prisoners instead.

2. They're cost cutting in the department to feed their own addictions.

3. The country is broker than it appears and can't afford to pay people full price for dangerous jobs.

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every decision i make in life is a catastrophe.

i've become paralyzed,, can't make a decision.



but also satan plays this game , where he always figures out a way to make me choose incorrectly, he possesses everyoe, reads my mind, uses information about my own thoughts to convince me to fuck myself over.

it is incredible.

i dont know how this is real, how this is really happening. it doesn't make any sense. how can any of this be real and why are so many people left alone to be happy and i'm gettin shit on
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every decision i make in life is a catastrophe.

i've become paralyzed,, can't make a decision.



but also satan plays this game , where he always figures out a way to make me choose incorrectly, he possesses everyoe, reads my mind, uses information about my own thoughts to convince me to fuck myself over.

it is incredible.

i dont know how this is real, how this is really happening. it doesn't make any sense. how can any of this be real and why are so many people left alone to be happy and i'm gettin shit on
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As someone in law once told me, indecision is a decision.
You're deciding to do nothing.

From my own experiences, I can tell you that nothing gets done unless you plan in advance, put your eggs in multiple baskets, and work your ass off on all of them until one reaches fruition, and then you just keep going, finding more baskets, more eggs, and working your ass off.

All that other stuff? Ignore it or defeat it.
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procrastinating? in the end of June? you must be in summer school
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procrastinating? in the end of June? you must be in summer school
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I'll tell you a secret.

That end of the school year feeling never goes away, no matter how long you've been working.

I feel it myself, everyone I supervise gets nearly unreliable at this time of the year. Even the clients fade a bit.
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I think the same logic holds true when it comes to information obtained by torture. Really not the best route
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I think the same logic holds true when it comes to information obtained by torture. Really not the best route
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Or information obtained with hypnotics, for that matter.

In both cases, they're going to tell you what you want to hear.

Either a) to make the pain stop or b) because they're so drugged that they want to give you what you want to hear and reality plays no part in what that might be.

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The use off moral relativism at the expense of some absolute principles hasn't helped in my opinion and experience.
 Quoting: Larry D. Croc


Mhm.

I'm loyal to where I stand...and anywhere I might someday want to go back to, but that's another story.

The use of prisoners used to horrify me on so many levels and from so many perspectives.

First, it's a dangerous game putting the criminals in charge.

Some of the older domestic ones in the US were responsible for the bombing of government buildings - with people inside - via the Weather Underground, i.e. some of the first US domestic terrorists. Why the fuck would you want them in charge of what and who they were trying to bomb?

Then, it's essentially a "stay here and rot or do what we want" work release program - not entirely ethical, reeks of slavery.

I don't see how it is good for anyone involved, at all, on any level, from any angle.
 Quoting: TlvmmCpoft


Buzzy Fine at the university in Madison, Wisconsin?

I am in Delaware after all. He was from here.
 Quoting: Torchie


Possibly. Has he spent the past few decades influencing the youth, heading grassroots organizations, being politically involved, being an "activist," spending too much time overseas, or the like?
 Quoting: TlvmmCpoft



will find out
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The entire organization is one big con job.

I cannot think of one single aspect that still runs the way its "meant" to.
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Mhm.

I'm loyal to where I stand...and anywhere I might someday want to go back to, but that's another story.

The use of prisoners used to horrify me on so many levels and from so many perspectives.

First, it's a dangerous game putting the criminals in charge.

Some of the older domestic ones in the US were responsible for the bombing of government buildings - with people inside - via the Weather Underground, i.e. some of the first US domestic terrorists. Why the fuck would you want them in charge of what and who they were trying to bomb?

Then, it's essentially a "stay here and rot or do what we want" work release program - not entirely ethical, reeks of slavery.

I don't see how it is good for anyone involved, at all, on any level, from any angle.
 Quoting: TlvmmCpoft


Buzzy Fine at the university in Madison, Wisconsin?

I am in Delaware after all. He was from here.
 Quoting: Torchie


Possibly. Has he spent the past few decades influencing the youth, heading grassroots organizations, being politically involved, being an "activist," spending too much time overseas, or the like?
 Quoting: TlvmmCpoft



will find out
 Quoting: Torchie


hf
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I think the same logic holds true when it comes to information obtained by torture. Really not the best route
 Quoting: Malu nli


Or information obtained with hypnotics, for that matter.

In both cases, they're going to tell you what you want to hear.

Either a) to make the pain stop or b) because they're so drugged that they want to give you what you want to hear and reality plays no part in what that might be.
 Quoting: TlvmmCpoft


If we are given a choice in the FEMA camps I’m going with option B. Now do we get our choice of drugs? Do I get my massage before I do my interview or after? I’m only asking because I assume I will need to schedule my pedicure, I’ll be damned if I will stand in a line while drugged

I heard the showers will be fabulous
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Life as fugitive, capture, trial and imprisonment[edit]

Fine was eventually captured in San Rafael, California on January 7, 1976. On June 8, 1976, he pleaded guilty to two felonies in federal district court: conspiracy and unlawful flight to avoid prosecution. On the same day, he also pleaded guilty in Dane County Wisconsin Circuit Court to charges of destruction of property and to murder in the third degree for causing the death of Robert Fassnacht.

He was sentenced to a total of seven years in prison on the federal charges and received a sentence in the state court of seven years; the two sentences were to run concurrently. Fine was paroled on August 15, 1979, and remained on parole for approximately three additional years.[1]

Later life[edit]

After his release, he earned a college degree at the University of Delaware and a J.D. degree at the University of Oregon.[2] In 1984,[3] after passing the Oregon Bar exam, Fine was denied admission to the Bar on the grounds that "he had failed to show good moral character." Fine appealed the decision to the Supreme Court of Oregon which upheld the decision. In the court's decision it was written:


He has not shown himself to be a credible person and did not establish that he now has the good moral character required to practice law. We base our decision on applicant's present statements about his past acts. We recognize that persons can and do reform. However, in this case applicant's deceitful, self-serving conduct persisted at the time of the hearing (appealing his denial of admission).[1]

As of October 2014, Fine is married and works as a law clerk at Chernoff Vilhauer LLP in Portland, Oregon.[2]

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]


they call him David Fine, Activist


Ayers is the one near barry

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Life as fugitive, capture, trial and imprisonment[edit]

Fine was eventually captured in San Rafael, California on January 7, 1976. On June 8, 1976, he pleaded guilty to two felonies in federal district court: conspiracy and unlawful flight to avoid prosecution. On the same day, he also pleaded guilty in Dane County Wisconsin Circuit Court to charges of destruction of property and to murder in the third degree for causing the death of Robert Fassnacht.

He was sentenced to a total of seven years in prison on the federal charges and received a sentence in the state court of seven years; the two sentences were to run concurrently. Fine was paroled on August 15, 1979, and remained on parole for approximately three additional years.[1]

Later life[edit]

After his release, he earned a college degree at the University of Delaware and a J.D. degree at the University of Oregon.[2] In 1984,[3] after passing the Oregon Bar exam, Fine was denied admission to the Bar on the grounds that "he had failed to show good moral character." Fine appealed the decision to the Supreme Court of Oregon which upheld the decision. In the court's decision it was written:


He has not shown himself to be a credible person and did not establish that he now has the good moral character required to practice law. We base our decision on applicant's present statements about his past acts. We recognize that persons can and do reform. However, in this case applicant's deceitful, self-serving conduct persisted at the time of the hearing (appealing his denial of admission).[1]

As of October 2014, Fine is married and works as a law clerk at Chernoff Vilhauer LLP in Portland, Oregon.[2]

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]


they call him David Fine, Activist


Ayers is the one near barry
 Quoting: Torchie


So, he's one of the few that went down for it?

The rest got off on "technicalities" - I'm sorry, but when you bomb federal buildings there are no technicalities.

And then went on to lives so sketchy and classic CIA/Cointel that there's no other comparison.

I was reading through the CIA declassified docs, "The Family Jewels" and others, and they straight admit to recruiting a female from the Weather Underground bombing of the pentagon.

It made it into their brag book because she was female and the agency wanted to highlight how equal opportunity they've been.

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